Allowing NEWBIES to keep flooding and handling scam projects On Bitcointalk

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Quote from: Pffrt on June 20, 2020, 10:00:39 AM

Quote from: libert19 on June 19, 2020, 11:27:06 PM

It's not forum's job lol, the projects can decide to give bounty management to whoever they want to. If you don't like the newbie managing bounty, then don't join it.

Exactly, if people start to ignore newbie bounty manager, projects will be forced to hire experienced bounty manager which most of the scams project will never be able to do. Most of the bounty campaigns give a reward of $10/$15 or so equivalent of coin for working even couple of months. Why would you even join them. It's not the job of forum, it's your job to choose which one to join and which one to ignore.

Newbie managers can either be a random forum member or just part of the project team member.So we cant really judge up just because they are newbie rank but i do agree in some point

that there are measures that should really be followed to suppress the generation of spam on this forum by allowing newbies to be in part of such bounty or do spam out the project itself.

This isnt a centralized forum that would make such exception but we do have mods that would really handle out the job.

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Quote from: stompix on June 18, 2020, 01:43:33 AM

Anyhow, the moment theymos does this it will be right after the hell has already frozen, KYC is mandatory, bitcoin is banned on bitcointalk and we all deal with onecoin.

My thoughts exactly. He's for individual freedom and I don't see any rule getting implemented restricting newbies from posting ANN threads or anything of the sort. Hell, even scamming isn't against the rules on bitcointalk so there's no way Theymos is going to even consider this proposal.

I don't see it as a big issue, either. Either a project is legitimate or it isn't, and it doesn't matter much whether it's being promoted by a Legendary account or a Newbie. Even if if were a Legendary member, you'd still have to worry about the account being bought in order to boost credibility.

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Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on June 20, 2020, 09:09:14 AM

Quote from: Timmzzy on June 20, 2020, 07:32:29 AM

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BTW @Timmzzy - your activity says you should be a Hero Member, but you've barely made just ten merits (not 510 merits)

this 👆, back then I was just more into Bounty which are Bounty reports that made the activities so. I will go through all of my old Bounty reports and get rid of them.

Yes, that is the right thought. Get rid of the bounty reports, thereby clear the forum. This should be a call to everyone who finally realized that the Bounty is a waste of time.
The NEWBIES manager is bad in that it allows filling the forum with bots, allowing participation in with a red trust. Thus, motivating scammers to create more and more unnecessary spam. I want managers to carefully select people for advertising projects. This, I think, will benefit both sides. Both for projects and for the cleanliness of the forum.

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I want managers to carefully select people for advertising projects. This, I think, will benefit both sides. Both for projects and for the cleanliness of the forum.

👆This is the thought I always keep in my head, it's likely to see that someone to think's the way I do. I believe the year to year or let's say weeks to weeks most of those newbies who don't know what scammers are like lose funds to their crafty acts.

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Quote from: Little Mouse on June 18, 2020, 12:36:32 AM

Quote from: Timmzzy on June 18, 2020, 12:29:33 AM

1. Can't a strict rule come into play that newbies are not allowed to make Bounty post on this forum other than well-known Bounty Manager's that has Been on bitcointalk for a long time: e.g WAPINTER, BOUNTY DETECTIVE and so many of them you know.

If project choose to handle the job by a newbie, then what's problem of you? Avoid the bounties which are managed by them.

The devs on the project is free to choose their bounty/campaign manager it is their right to do so. Newbie managers does not really mean they are newbie in handling campaigns some are already aware of the job, some are just newbie in rank. However I noticed there are some campaigns managed by a newbie which disobeys some forum rules ( i think they are rushing in campaigning without reading the forum rules)

Quote from: Little Mouse on June 18, 2020, 12:36:32 AM

It's we people who are feeding them to launch more.

Newbie or not people will and always look participate for it, the manager is just a small piece of a project.

Quote from: Little Mouse on June 18, 2020, 12:36:32 AM

It's none of forum issue. You can move it to altcoin service discussion.

I hope the OP do so.

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Quote from: masulum on June 20, 2020, 08:51:06 AM

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Basically @Timmzzy because your merit's powers are comparative to the newbies you have criticised (because you have spent all your time spewing out posts with no substance - i.e. you have posted ten times the number of posts they have yet have just ten times the number of merits they have), those threads are going to sink further down until they fall off of the first page. All six threads remain in the first six places, but as time goes on, other posts will be bumped up and the bumps used to place those six into first place will wear off and you will see they settle down then off of the first page.

If people reading this were to bump other threads, then those six would be gone fairly quickly.

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Quote from: Nellayar on June 18, 2020, 01:36:56 AM

There is no difference between a newbie and well-known manager when it comes in handling a project. If the project will deceive bounty hunters, managers can't control that. Unless if they will pay in form of weekly basis (btc).

In altcoin bounties, we expect that 95% of bounties are waste of time. Even they handle by reputable managers. Look at Sylon, Sandra Evans and Btcltcdigger. They are good CM yet they still handled scam project.

If you feel that a CM has dark plan, just stay away in it's thread or better to conduct a research of it's legitimacy. So that, you will be able to tell to the community to avoid supporting that project.

On point, it seems like its the project itself is the problem whoever handles the campaign doesn't matter since it depends on the owner, the problem is the owner of the project.

Well, we also see some bounties where the manager tries to scam some of the payments in the participants since high ranks could be more trusted than newbies you also have a point but doesn't affect the campaign if its a scam campaign.

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Quote from: libert19 on June 19, 2020, 11:27:06 PM

It's not forum's job lol, the projects can decide to give bounty management to whoever they want to. If you don't like the newbie managing bounty, then don't join it.

Exactly, if people start to ignore newbie bounty manager, projects will be forced to hire experienced bounty manager which most of the scams project will never be able to do. Most of the bounty campaigns give a reward of $10/$15 or so equivalent of coin for working even couple of months. Why would you even join them. It's not the job of forum, it's your job to choose which one to join and which one to ignore.

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Quote from: Timmzzy on June 20, 2020, 07:32:29 AM

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BTW @Timmzzy - your activity says you should be a Hero Member, but you've barely made just ten merits (not 510 merits)

this 👆, back then I was just more into Bounty which are Bounty reports that made the activities so. I will go through all of my old Bounty reports and get rid of them.

Yes, that is the right thought. Get rid of the bounty reports, thereby clear the forum. This should be a call to everyone who finally realized that the Bounty is a waste of time.
The NEWBIES manager is bad in that it allows filling the forum with bots, allowing participation in with a red trust. Thus, motivating scammers to create more and more unnecessary spam. I want managers to carefully select people for advertising projects. This, I think, will benefit both sides. Both for projects and for the cleanliness of the forum.

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hmph..

Quote from: Timmzzy on June 20, 2020, 07:32:29 AM

Am yet to understand this Bumb;

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and use your bump powers to bump those other threads up thereby pushing these six threads way,

of a thing right here on bitcointalk which am still studying more about Bitcointalk forum.

Basically, Bump is an activity to return a thread to the first page by making a new comment. However, for some boards, this activity is no longer affected and requires bump power. simple case about bump power
- Bump power is obtained from activities or merit and member can use bump button with their Bump Power
- Bump power is obtained from accumulative of member comments

You can read more about bump power in this thread https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bumping-changes-on-some-boards-5183553

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Quote from: Timelord2067 on June 19, 2020, 05:52:07 PM

I see someone has just bumped those six threads in the one section. Roll Eyes

Here's a challenge - pick six random threads in that same section ( Bounties (Altcoins) ) and use your bump powers to bump those other threads up thereby pushing these six threads way, way down the list. If they aren't that good then they will be hidden from sight and soon forgotten.

BTW @Timmzzy - your activity says you should be a Hero Member, but you've barely made just ten merits (not 510 merits)

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BTW @Timmzzy - your activity says you should be a Hero Member, but you've barely made just ten merits (not 510 merits)

this 👆, back then I was just more into Bounty which are Bounty reports that made the activities so. I will go through all of my old Bounty reports and get rid of them.

Am yet to understand this Bumb;

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and use your bump powers to bump those other threads up thereby pushing these six threads way,

of a thing right here on bitcointalk which am still studying more about Bitcointalk forum.

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It's not forum's job lol, the projects can decide to give bounty management to whoever they want to. If you don't like the newbie managing bounty, then don't join it.

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Quote from: Timmzzy on June 19, 2020, 04:03:20 PM

Am not against projects been handled by newbies, but in a clear sense there should be where it is indicated that so so and so project gave them the go ahead. And for your information we have newbies too who are getting into Bitcointalk forum newly and mind you they don't really know their way around here what if they become an example of being scammed. This is for example if am to back out and never to talk about this.

Other than spam, almost nothing is moderated, not even scam is moderated. Check above replies. If theymos is to give them restrictions to go ahead, there will be a lot of mess etc. If a newbie comes here and get scammed by the scam bounty, that will be the newbies fault because they should know what they are going to do. And with a sole purpose of bounty hunting, no one should either join here.

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I see someone has just bumped those six threads in the one section. Roll Eyes

Here's a challenge - pick six random threads in that same section ( Bounties (Altcoins) ) and use your bump powers to bump those other threads up thereby pushing these six threads way, way down the list. If they aren't that good then they will be hidden from sight and soon forgotten.

BTW @Timmzzy - your activity says you should be a Hero Member, but you've barely made just ten merits (not 510 merits)

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Quote from: LoyceV on June 18, 2020, 05:39:14 AM

Quote from: stompix on June 18, 2020, 01:43:33 AM

Anyhow, the moment theymos does this it will be right after the hell has already frozen, KYC is mandatory, bitcoin is banned on bitcointalk and we all deal with onecoin.

Exactly. The forum's mission is to be "as free as possible", and freedom of speech prevails. Newbies are allowed to do this, scam's aren't moderated, and users are supposed to do their own research. It's really up to the bounty spammers ("Spambies") who join this, but they haven't cared for years. As long as they stay on the altcoin-spam-boards, I'd say let them do it Tongue

I believe he made up this topic for the safe side of other newbies who are coming into Bitcointalk to really Watch out and not to be a victim to scammers.

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Quote from: Little Mouse on June 18, 2020, 12:36:32 AM

Quote from: Timmzzy on June 18, 2020, 12:29:33 AM

1. Can't a strict rule come into play that newbies are not allowed to make Bounty post on this forum other than well-known Bounty Manager's that has Been on bitcointalk for a long time: e.g WAPINTER, BOUNTY DETECTIVE and so many of them you know.

If project choose to handle the job by a newbie, then what's problem of you? Avoid the bounties which are managed by them. It's we people who are feeding them to launch more.
It's none of forum issue. You can move it to altcoin service discussion.

Am not against projects been handled by newbies, but in a clear sense there should be where it is indicated that so so and so project gave them the go ahead. And for your information we have newbies too who are getting into Bitcointalk forum newly and mind you they don't really know their way around here what if they become an example of being scammed. This is for example if am to back out and never to talk about this.

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Only thing I would change for Newbies is not allowing them to create self-moderated topics until they become junior rank or higher.
Why?
Because most scam self-moderated topics are created like this, and real newbies don't even know there is a option for self-moderation.
Just sayin.

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Quote from: stompix on June 18, 2020, 01:43:33 AM

Anyhow, the moment theymos does this it will be right after the hell has already frozen, KYC is mandatory, bitcoin is banned on bitcointalk and we all deal with onecoin.

Exactly. The forum's mission is to be "as free as possible", and freedom of speech prevails. Newbies are allowed to do this, scam's aren't moderated, and users are supposed to do their own research. It's really up to the bounty spammers ("Spambies") who join this, but they haven't cared for years. As long as they stay on the altcoin-spam-boards, I'd say let them do it Tongue

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Quote from: Timmzzy on June 18, 2020, 12:29:33 AM

Now My questions are:

1. Can't a strict rule come into play that newbies are not allowed to make Bounty post on this forum other than well-known Bounty Manager's that has Been on bitcointalk for a long time: e.g WAPINTER, BOUNTY DETECTIVE and so many of them you know.

2. Can't it be just from well-RANKED members up other than Newbies flooding Bitcointalk with fake BOUNTY projects?

I believe it is in hands of project owner who choose the bounty manager by himself. Most of the quick buck earners will fall for management of bounties where they are awarded with thousands of altcoins (of that project).

So, these are mostly lower ranked members and more over those who have newly registered in the forum.

If bounty manager is newbie then either the project owner is NOT serious about the project OR it is the project owner himself who is trying to manage the bounty.

I believe in both cases trust factor reduces next to zero.

So, forum can apply the rule but I seriously doubt theymos would want to do that as we may loose precious customers in the process if ANY. lol

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Quote from: Timmzzy on June 18, 2020, 12:29:33 AM

1. Can't a strict rule come into play that newbies are not allowed to make Bounty post on this forum other than well-known Bounty Manager's that has Been on bitcointalk for a long time: e.g WAPINTER, BOUNTY DETECTIVE and so many of them you know.

2. Can't it be just from well-RANKED members up other than Newbies flooding Bitcointalk with fake BOUNTY projects?

this does not apply to the campaign (Bounty), strict rules apply to Sig's campaign with BTC Pay to determine the reputation of a professional manager.

Companies and Bounty Altcoin, free to promote and advertise on this forum, it's up to the manager they want, beginner to Legendary, regardless of the responsibility of the Bitcointalk Forum, if things happen that are not wanted in the future.

Very simple, if you want to participate in a Bounty campaign with the end of the "good" story you choose the manager/good reputation, who manages the Bounty in running the campaign. (But that can't guarantee, sometimes a good manager can be fooled by certain Altcoin companies violate contractual agreements).
There is no compulsion if you have to participate in certain Bounty campaigns, in the end fraud/fake happens.

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I think theymos wouldn't even consider this. theymos doesn't want to prevent good newbies to start their business or their project in the forum just because there are scammers that are newbies. also, I don't see a problem if a newbie is managing a bounty or signature campaign and as far as I know there are newbies(probably member or a part of the company or project) that are able to properly manage a bounty or signature campaign without any problem.

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Quote from: Timmzzy on June 18, 2020, 12:29:33 AM

1. Can't a strict rule come into play that newbies are not allowed to make Bounty post on this forum other than well-known Bounty Manager's that has Been on bitcointalk for a long time: e.g WAPINTER, BOUNTY DETECTIVE

Probably not the best examples

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Lol

Anyhow, the moment theymos does this it will be right after the hell has already frozen, KYC is mandatory, bitcoin is banned on bitcointalk and we all deal with onecoin.
Oh, and CSW is crowned Satoshi!

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There is no difference between a newbie and well-known manager when it comes in handling a project. If the project will deceive bounty hunters, managers can't control that. Unless if they will pay in form of weekly basis (btc).

In altcoin bounties, we expect that 95% of bounties are waste of time. Even they handle by reputable managers. Look at Sylon, Sandra Evans and Btcltcdigger. They are good CM yet they still handled scam project.

If you feel that a CM has dark plan, just stay away in it's thread or better to conduct a research of it's legitimacy. So that, you will be able to tell to the community to avoid supporting that project.

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Quote from: DGulari on January 09, 2018, 08:14:42 AM

Quote from: Raffy11 on January 08, 2018, 07:51:19 PM

I've seen a campaign with a newbie bounty manager is that really necessary? Do you think this campaign is not a scam?
Thank you for your answers.

Are you out of mind? Almost all of them (95%) are the dev of their own project which using new account to manage their bounty instead using other known campaign manager. Read and understand their project to know if their project is scam or not (Sometimes, hearing from other people opinion also would help you).

Just so you know, I will not trust bounty -altcoin- even if it where not headed/handled by a newbie, and bounty campaign -altcoin- has complications like
+ They choose not to pay in bitcoin
+ Payment is based on how the project does
+ Spam fest of campaign schedule -reporting weekly post-
+ Campaign going off the forum -social media, content -
+ Scam -possibilities-
that popular - professional- campaign manager will not want to get into,
And finally no rule stops them -newbies- from heading/handling bounty, and if they pay for copper membership they -newbies- can add images to their post

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