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Quote from: dkbit98 on December 25, 2024, 02:30:41 PM

Quote from: Forsyth Jones on December 24, 2024, 07:51:50 PM

Remember that for each coin you add to the stack, it creates a new seed or you can restore an existing one. You can also export an encrypted file containing all your wallets.

It adds a bit more complexity, but note that you can use the same seed words both for bitcoin and litecoin when you are creating wallets.
This is not going to work for monero because it is using different system, but it should be fine with most bitcoin forks.
I don't see this as a big problem and it's easier to restore all coins in future using any other wallets.

Coinomi allows the same seed for monero as well.

There are just small steps you need to do to recover it in different wallets using the same seed, as it goes to a different derivation path than usual. But I was able to recover it in another wallet when coinomi stopped working

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Quote from: Forsyth Jones on December 24, 2024, 07:51:50 PM

Remember that for each coin you add to the stack, it creates a new seed or you can restore an existing one. You can also export an encrypted file containing all your wallets.

It adds a bit more complexity, but note that you can use the same seed words both for bitcoin and litecoin when you are creating wallets.
This is not going to work for monero because it is using different system, but it should be fine with most bitcoin forks.
I don't see this as a big problem and it's easier to restore all coins in future using any other wallets.

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Quote from: bitmover on December 25, 2024, 05:58:43 AM

Quote from: LoyceV on December 25, 2024, 03:14:05 AM

That kinda defeats the purpose of having seed words. It's very convenient if you only need to secure them once.

I agree.
More seed doesn't mean More security

If you need an extra seed on the same app for whatever reason, you can just create a new wallet. Coinomi allows that .
https://coinomi.freshdesk.com/support/solutions/articles/29000032748-how-can-i-manage-multiple-seeds-in-coinomi-

Yes, coinomi allows you to create multiple wallets. You can choose to simply add new coins with the seed previously configured or create a new seed. However, in the stack you must create a new one or restore an existing one.

Some users don't like to manage more than 1 coin in the same seed and therefore create others, since most users use the same seed to manage dozens of coins (or shitcoins) and tokens and I don't think this is a good practice.

Or a new seed doesn't even need to be created, just create passphrases!

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Quote from: LoyceV on December 25, 2024, 03:14:05 AM

Quote from: Forsyth Jones on December 24, 2024, 07:51:50 PM

for each coin you add to the stack, it creates a new seed or you can restore an existing one.

That kinda defeats the purpose of having seed words. It's very convenient if you only need to secure them once.

I agree.
More seed doesn't mean More security

If you need an extra seed on the same app for whatever reason, you can just create a new wallet. Coinomi allows that .
https://coinomi.freshdesk.com/support/solutions/articles/29000032748-how-can-i-manage-multiple-seeds-in-coinomi-

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Quote from: Forsyth Jones on December 24, 2024, 07:51:50 PM

for each coin you add to the stack, it creates a new seed or you can restore an existing one.

That kinda defeats the purpose of having seed words. It's very convenient if you only need to secure them once.

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Stack wallet supports LTC and is very good, although i haven't tested any coin other than bitcoin. But i think it's worth our attention.

Remember that for each coin you add to the stack, it creates a new seed or you can restore an existing one. You can also export an encrypted file containing all your wallets.

I wish Coinomi had a similar feature.

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Quote from: LoyceV on December 24, 2024, 02:55:21 PM

Was that for Bitcoin only? I never found it for LTC.

I didn't check if it was available for Litecoin because I didn't use LTC with Unstoppable wallet.
I just checked now and YES there is UTxO Expert Mode switch that can be enabled for Litecoin also.

Maybe Tor switch is causing some problems, and you can also should also check if Litecoin is using Blockchair API for syncing blockchain, they claim this fixed some issues in one of the latest releases:
https://github.com/horizontalsystems/unstoppable-wallet-android/releases/tag/0.41.0

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Quote from: dkbit98 on December 24, 2024, 02:38:13 PM

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I had a bad experience with Unstoppeable, as they have no Coin control

I already told you and few other members a while ago that Unstoppable wallet added coin control, it's easy to verify that in settings.

Was that for Bitcoin only? I never found it for LTC.

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Quote from: bitmover on December 20, 2024, 05:12:09 PM

I had a bad experience with Unstoppeable, as they have no Coin control

I already told you and few other members a while ago that Unstoppable wallet added coin control, it's easy to verify that in settings.

As for exodus wallet I would never use it as alternative to anything, they are closed source and I am sure they are spying on users, also their exchange partners are freezing user coins when doing a swap.

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Quote from: LoyceV on December 21, 2024, 03:32:07 AM

I didn't like Coin Control on Coinomi either: all I could do was freeze inputs, which is a lot more work than selecting the right inputs. I don't like message signing (or typing in general) on mobile, so I don't miss that feature.
Unstoppable Wallet doesn't support Monero, I've never used it on mobile again after Coinomi broke it.

I understand, but i don't hold many inputs there, so it's ok for me.

Much better than have no coin control, like unstoppeable.

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Let me know if Monero works again

Not working yet. Still block -1 in the sync status.
I will let you know if that changes!

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Quote from: bitmover on December 20, 2024, 05:12:09 PM

I had a bad experience with Unstoppeable, as they have no Coin control, no sign message, basic bitcoin wallet features. I don't remember exactly, but Unstoppeable and Cake wallet were not ideal solutions for me to use Monero.

I didn't like Coin Control on Coinomi either: all I could do was freeze inputs, which is a lot more work than selecting the right inputs. I don't like message signing (or typing in general) on mobile, so I don't miss that feature.
Unstoppable Wallet doesn't support Monero, I've never used it on mobile again after Coinomi broke it.

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I am using monero in my Exodus wallet (which was better for my needs than those).

I've never used this one either. I'll get a new phone somewhere next year, that would be a good moment to install and try different wallets on my old phone.

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I will uninstall Exodus as soon as I get some time to empty the wallets and transfer everything to coinomi

Let me know if Monero works again

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Quote from: LoyceV on December 20, 2024, 02:15:45 PM

I don't really care about the UI, but I may consider them again considering in the future. When I left Coinomi, I went to Unstoppable, but Litecoin hasn't been working for almost a week now.

So, while you're testing it: does Monero work again in Coinomi? Have you tried Cake wallet? I'm curious how they compare, but don't want to install apps when it's not absolutely necessary.

I had a bad experience with Unstoppeable, as they have no Coin control, no sign message, basic bitcoin wallet features. I don't remember exactly, but Unstoppeable and Cake wallet were not ideal solutions for me to use Monero.

I am using monero in my Exodus wallet (which was better for my needs than those).

But I will uninstall Exodus as soon as I get some time to empty the wallets and transfer everything to coinomi (and I need to change some addresses which are linked to exodus as well)

Coinomi >>>> Exodus, Unstoppeable, etc (for my needs)

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Quote from: bitmover on November 15, 2024, 03:13:33 PM

Coinomi is really back

They improved to a more modern UI.

I don't really care about the UI, but I may consider them again considering in the future. When I left Coinomi, I went to Unstoppable, but Litecoin hasn't been working for almost a week now.

So, while you're testing it: does Monero work again in Coinomi? Have you tried Cake wallet? I'm curious how they compare, but don't want to install apps when it's not absolutely necessary.

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Coinomi is really back

They improved to a more modern UI.

IN the new version, released yesterday, they also added an important new coin: Solana

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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.coinomi.wallet&hl=en-US

What's new
Solana and tokens integration
Upgraded web3 connection for dapps
Minor fixes and improvements

Byebye exodus Cheesy

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Quote from: Pmalek on November 04, 2024, 08:42:20 AM

I also forgot several details of that incident, like the fact that, according to them, seed words were sent over to Google only when you restored a wallet from seed. The second claim is that the data wasn't unencrypted and that only Google could access it, which they didn't because of a bad request. Due to the closed-source nature of the wallet, no independent party with coding knowledge can verify if what they said is true or not.

I think they had a couple of setbacks in a short period of time and the negative publicity did not help their cause. As for the latest news, now that the developers have decided to breathe new life in to a project they themselves allowed to die, many people will start using it especially those that do know about their past and will be looking for a wallet that can easily accommodate their coins and tokens. It will definitely help their cause after they stated it will be open source this time but many will refuse to download it. If they have learned from their mistakes and set out a decent project that can have the full source code verified, it might become successful.

Quote from: DaveF on November 08, 2024, 09:21:35 AM

Either way since it seemed to be a 1 off thing at the time since nobody else was complaining about lost funds. So more then likely it was user error.

It could have been negligence on their part but I think they fixed the issue shortly after it was made public. It means they allowed it to remain until it was made public and certainly did not look good for them. Maybe they have learned from their mistakes.

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Quote from: Pmalek on November 04, 2024, 08:42:20 AM

Quote from: JollyGood on November 04, 2024, 04:02:53 AM

I had to go through this Medium link to refamiliarise myself with what happened, it goes all the way back to February 2019. They claimed it only affected their desktop wallets but nevertheless it was massive mistake on their part.

I also forgot several details of that incident, like the fact that, according to them, seed words were sent over to Google only when you restored a wallet from seed. The second claim is that the data wasn't unencrypted and that only Google could access it, which they didn't because of a bad request. Due to the closed-source nature of the wallet, no independent party with coding knowledge can verify if what they said is true or not.

Actually you probably could with some work.

You would need to get the version that did it, change some settings in your DNS so that the request went to a server you controlled and possibly have to spoof an SSL for google and then you could actually see what was happening. As for the bad request part that was confirmed by some people. The question was did (does) google record the bad requests and if so who has / had access to them.

Either way since it seemed to be a 1 off thing at the time since nobody else was complaining about lost funds. So more then likely it was user error.

Still, closed source wallets are not good. And hot wallets are not good either.

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Quote from: JollyGood on November 04, 2024, 04:02:53 AM

I had to go through this Medium link to refamiliarise myself with what happened, it goes all the way back to February 2019. They claimed it only affected their desktop wallets but nevertheless it was massive mistake on their part.

I also forgot several details of that incident, like the fact that, according to them, seed words were sent over to Google only when you restored a wallet from seed. The second claim is that the data wasn't unencrypted and that only Google could access it, which they didn't because of a bad request. Due to the closed-source nature of the wallet, no independent party with coding knowledge can verify if what they said is true or not.

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Quote from: Pmalek on October 31, 2024, 08:11:13 AM

The original Coinomi wallet was also open-source initially, but then their developers changed their mind and opted to go closed-source instead. I think they were complaining about other wallets stealing their source code and that being the reason to go dark. Roll Eyes

I remember when Coinomi owners took that step and remember reading their reasons for taking that step. When developers believe they have more chances of making more money by closed-source software then they end up providing all sorts of exuses but top of the list has to be others wanting to copy their code or even exploiting weaknesses. Coinomi did not have to do it but they opted to and somewhere along the line it probably did not work for them as they abandoned the project. Nobody was told what really happened.

Quote from: Pmalek on October 31, 2024, 08:11:13 AM

I also remember the incident that involved Coinomi sending unencrypted seed phrases to Google servers for spell-check purposes, a feature that was misused.

I had to go through this Medium link to refamiliarise myself with what happened, it goes all the way back to February 2019. They claimed it only affected their desktop wallets but nevertheless it was massive mistake on their part.

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Quote from: JollyGood on October 31, 2024, 05:44:20 AM

I suppose one thing that would probably work in their favour as they try to rebuild bridges with the wider community would be the announcement on Medium they made about the relaunch being open source. If the whole project will be completely open source then it should help them regain trust.

The original Coinomi wallet was also open-source initially, but then their developers changed their mind and opted to go closed-source instead. I think they were complaining about other wallets stealing their source code and that being the reason to go dark. Roll Eyes

I also remember the incident that involved Coinomi sending unencrypted seed phrases to Google servers for spell-check purposes, a feature that was misused.

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As long as users had seeds they would have to go through the inconvenience of finding alternatives for every tiny amount of crypto they stored and even though funds would not be lost forever as long as seeds were backed up, people using their services deserved better.

I suppose one thing that would probably work in their favour as they try to rebuild bridges with the wider community would be the announcement on Medium they made about the relaunch being open source. If the whole project will be completely open source then it should help them regain trust.

Quote from: Pmalek on October 31, 2024, 04:30:58 AM

I understand what you are saying, but to be fair, no one can stop users to import their seeds in other wallets to regain access to the coins and tokens they can no longer engage with after Coinomi started experiencing problems. As long as they keep a backup of their seed and know the derivation paths of the assets they possess, there should be a way to import this data elsewhere.

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Quote from: JollyGood on October 30, 2024, 01:07:50 PM

Anyway, now that they are claiming to be back it cannot negate the fact they abandoned the project and left their users with coins and tokens that were stuck.

I understand what you are saying, but to be fair, no one can stop users to import their seeds in other wallets to regain access to the coins and tokens they can no longer engage with after Coinomi started experiencing problems. As long as they keep a backup of their seed and know the derivation paths of the assets they possess, there should be a way to import this data elsewhere.

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Quote from: JollyGood on October 30, 2024, 01:07:50 PM

Coinomi, that is a name I had not heard for a very long time. They were synonymous with being a closed source project therefore there was always going to be a concern. Anyway, now that they are claiming to be back it cannot negate the fact they abandoned the project and left their users with coins and tokens that were stuck.

They will definitely get some sort of traction with downloads but in the end, can they be trusted?

Quote from: bitmover on October 25, 2024, 04:03:52 PM

They have some activity in reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/COINOMI/

I read there that they are still fixing bugs, and people still can't move erc20 tokens from the wallet (you can just import it to another wallet)

I think no project can be trusted 100%.

I also think that open source is amazing, but there are huge amount of shit open source projects .

Being open source only is not enough for a good wallet. As I said earlier, even with all those valid problems against coinomi, I couldn't find a replacement for it (multicurrency and with all those basic bitcoin features)

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Coinomi, that is a name I had not heard for a very long time. They were synonymous with being a closed source project therefore there was always going to be a concern. Anyway, now that they are claiming to be back it cannot negate the fact they abandoned the project and left their users with coins and tokens that were stuck.

They will definitely get some sort of traction with downloads but in the end, can they be trusted?

Quote from: bitmover on October 25, 2024, 04:03:52 PM

They have some activity in reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/COINOMI/

I read there that they are still fixing bugs, and people still can't move erc20 tokens from the wallet (you can just import it to another wallet)

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Quote from: dkbit98 on October 25, 2024, 03:27:40 PM

Quote from: DaveF on October 25, 2024, 09:06:17 AM

Glad to see they are back and going open source. I hope it all works out.
Tinfoil hat paranoia....is it the same people or did they sell off the entire works to someone else?

If they are using the same website and same github page than they are probably the same people who hired more developers to help them.
I did check their official girhub page and I don't see any activity since 2020, but I think it was mostly used for Coinomi BIP39 Tool.
I see they are getting more active on social media since September, but I think it's better to be careful with this wallet.

They have some activity in reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/COINOMI/

I read there that they are still fixing bugs, and people still can't move erc20 tokens from the wallet (you can just import it to another wallet)

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Quote from: DaveF on October 25, 2024, 09:06:17 AM

Glad to see they are back and going open source. I hope it all works out.
Tinfoil hat paranoia....is it the same people or did they sell off the entire works to someone else?

If they are using the same website and same github page than they are probably the same people who hired more developers to help them.
I did check their official girhub page and I don't see any activity since 2020, but I think it was mostly used for Coinomi BIP39 Tool.
I see they are getting more active on social media since September, but I think it's better to be careful with this wallet.

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Quote from: DaveF on October 25, 2024, 09:06:17 AM

Glad to see they are back and going open source. I hope it all works out.
Tinfoil hat paranoia....is it the same people or did they sell off the entire works to someone else?

Obviously, there is no way to know but after going silent for so long it's juts one of those things to think about.

From their medium post

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Giannis Ntzegkoutanis, the original founder of Coinomi Wallet, has reunited the original team and is partnering with Eucalyptus Labs to once again

I think it is ok as long as the original founder is still in the team and giving updates.

For now, the wallet just need some bug fixes and updates on nodes etc... Some wallets such as monero simple didn't have any connection to a node, breaking the wallet. Fixes looks easy.

How will they make money now? Just for the integrated exchange inside the wallet? I think the way the project makes money is very important, to keep the project alive.

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Glad to see they are back and going open source. I hope it all works out.
Tinfoil hat paranoia....is it the same people or did they sell off the entire works to someone else?

Obviously, there is no way to know but after going silent for so long it's juts one of those things to think about.

From their medium post

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Giannis Ntzegkoutanis, the original founder of Coinomi Wallet, has reunited the original team and is partnering with Eucalyptus Labs to once again

But in the end there is no real way to prove who is doing what.

-Dave

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Quote from: bitmover on October 12, 2024, 06:12:43 AM

and I don't understand all the hate on them over the last few years.

I understand it: there was complete silence from them, and I couldn't move my Monero dust for years until I manually recovered it. The whole point of a mobile hot wallet is being able to move coins at any time.
It's going to take more than saying "we're back" to win back confidence.

Don't forget that some people don't like Coinomi going closed source. There's also accusation that Coinomi being careless when handling recovery words which explained on https://avoid-coinomi.com/.

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Quote from: bitmover on October 12, 2024, 11:34:42 AM

But your coins were never lost, you could recover them using the seed.

Yep, but it was annoying to do, which is why I waited so long. It's also a last resort, after I completely gave up on hoping for a software update.

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Developing costs money, and even maintenence costs money.

Nothing changed there. So why would they last longer this time?

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I do understand that when we use products for free, such things may happen.

I use a lot of free software, until I no longer like it. It's annoying having to switch, which is another reason I won't easily switch back.

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As I said, every other wallet that I tried is much worse.

Agreed. I haven't found a decent multicoin wallet that includes Monero.

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Quote from: ABCbits on October 12, 2024, 04:48:02 AM

I did quick check and it seems they also write this blog post, https://medium.com/coinomi/coinomi-reviving-our-legacy-reigniting-our-vision-df6eed9d0312. They claim they'll back to open source and support more blockchain network.

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Coinomi wallet returned to having updates on 04/10/2024 after 2 years, on iOS we have the following changelog:

They are coming back and they are already announcing adding new coins... that is not a good sign Tongue

I agree. There's no mention of fixing broken feature or bringing back server/service for certain feature.

It's great that they're planning to open the code again. There's no justification for making a bitcoin wallet's code closed, they should never have done that. But the decision to go back to open source is good news.

I've only used Coinomi very little because it's closed source, despite its cool features.

To make it better, they could provide support for P2TR addresses for BTC and, in the future, sylent payments.

Speaking of wallets that are similar or close to Coinomi, like Stack Wallet, I liked it because it doesn't have as many altcoins. I think having too many altcoins is a problem because it's more code to deal with and more room for error. Something similar to the derivation path vulnerability in the ledger could happen.

But anyway, I'm happy with Coinomi's return and their decision to open the code again, because it's another option for us users.

Quote from: bitmover on October 12, 2024, 06:12:43 AM

Exodus is way worse is basically every aspect.

I am very happy to see they are back, and I don't understand all the hate on them over the last few years.

Yes, exodus is horrible, closed source... it seems like they try hard to scare users away with that horrible UI, of course it's a good wallet for anyone who wants to use shitcoins, now that coinomi is apparently back, it will compete directly with exodus.

I hope coinomi will also support air-gapped hardware wallets and common HWs (with USB connections) in the future.

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Quote from: bitmover on October 12, 2024, 06:12:43 AM

and I don't understand all the hate on them over the last few years.

I understand it: there was complete silence from them, and I couldn't move my Monero dust for years until I manually recovered it. The whole point of a mobile hot wallet is being able to move coins at any time.
It's going to take more than saying "we're back" to win back confidence.

But your coins were never lost, you could recover them using the seed.

Developing costs money, and even maintenence costs money.

I do understand that when we use products for free, such things may happen.

As I said, every other wallet that I tried is much worse. I am happy to be able to uninstall exodus soon

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Quote from: bitmover on October 12, 2024, 06:12:43 AM

and I don't understand all the hate on them over the last few years.

I understand it: there was complete silence from them, and I couldn't move my Monero dust for years until I manually recovered it. The whole point of a mobile hot wallet is being able to move coins at any time.
It's going to take more than saying "we're back" to win back confidence.

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Quote from: LoyceV on October 09, 2024, 06:29:56 AM

Quote from: Forsyth Jones on October 09, 2024, 06:23:50 AM

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Open Coinomi to learn more!

I'm not in a rush to install it again, especially since they're not really giving me a reason. I don't care about supporting a new version of Android. I wouldn't even call that an update.
If you've tested it: does Monero work again? It hasn't worked for years, so they'll need to do a bit more than saying "we're back". They could start by explaining why they ignored their wallet for all those years.

I am going to confess: I haven't uninstalled coinomi.

I have tried several wallets: Aqua, Exodus, Unstoppeable, etc....

None of them is nearly close the coinomi in terms of features for a bitcoin wallet (the main use for me).

I haven't found a single wallet whichi allowed me to sign messages, to control UTXO, to have multiple address formats.... Coinomi is simple one of the best and most complete (if not the best and most complete) bitcoin wallet for android. Additionally, it also support a decent amount of coins like USDT ETH LTC and any other shitcoin you might need

Exodus is way worse is basically every aspect.

I am very happy to see they are back, and I don't understand all the hate on them over the last few years.

Their last update in Android was 12 September 2024
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.coinomi.wallet

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I did quick check and it seems they also write this blog post, https://medium.com/coinomi/coinomi-reviving-our-legacy-reigniting-our-vision-df6eed9d0312. They claim they'll back to open source and support more blockchain network.

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Quote from: Forsyth Jones on October 09, 2024, 06:23:50 AM

Coinomi wallet returned to having updates on 04/10/2024 after 2 years, on iOS we have the following changelog:

They are coming back and they are already announcing adding new coins... that is not a good sign Tongue

I agree. There's no mention of fixing broken feature or bringing back server/service for certain feature.

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Coinomi wallet returned to having updates on 04/10/2024 after 2 years, on iOS we have the following changelog:

They are coming back and they are already announcing adding new coins... that is not a good sign Tongue

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It's good that it's back, it was hard to find a viable alternative for a multi-currency wallet, the one that came closest to this goal (which I consider better to a certain extent) is Stack Wallet (or Stack Duo for only Bitcoin and Monero).

There is also Unstoppable wallet and Cake wallet as good open source alternatives, and I consider them better than Coinomi.
Cake wallet also have some advanced privacy features like Silent Payments, and they announced support for mweb Litecoin addresses in latest pre-release.

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Quote from: LoyceV on October 09, 2024, 06:29:56 AM

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I haven't tested Monero, i haven't used Coinomi for years, especially since there was no update for a long time.

I agree with you, today Stack Wallet, in addition to supporting Monero, is completely open source, supports P2TR addresses and the desktop versions are much more up-to-date.

But let's see if now, in addition to giving a plausible explanation to the community, they will continue to work on its development.

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Quote from: Forsyth Jones on October 09, 2024, 06:23:50 AM

On Android:

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Open Coinomi to learn more!

I'm not in a rush to install it again, especially since they're not really giving me a reason. I don't care about supporting a new version of Android. I wouldn't even call that an update.
If you've tested it: does Monero work again? It hasn't worked for years, so they'll need to do a bit more than saying "we're back". They could start by explaining why they ignored their wallet for all those years.

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Coinomi wallet returned to having updates on 04/10/2024 after 2 years, on iOS we have the following changelog:

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- Support WalletConnect v2

Coinomi is back! Get ready for fresh features, top-tier blockchain support, and fixing pesky bugs. Open Coinomi to learn more!

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- Support for Android 14

Coinomi is back! Get ready for fresh features, top-tier blockchain support, and fixing pesky bugs. Open Coinomi to learn more!

It's good that it's back, it was hard to find a viable alternative for a multi-currency wallet, the one that came closest to this goal (which I consider better to a certain extent) is Stack Wallet (or Stack Duo for only Bitcoin and Monero).

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ETH is now back working. Still no communication from the Coinomi devs.
If you have not bothered to get your ETH (and tokens out) now would be a good time to to it.

Might work for years, might not make it through the weekend.

-Dave

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Quote from: DaveF on December 27, 2023, 11:26:07 AM

And.....it looks like Dash is dead now too

Considering that no one has been maintaining and updating the software for a long time, it's expected that more and more assets will start becoming useless.

For those who still use Dash, there are native software solutions both for desktop and mobile. Plus a non-custodial web wallet, according to the information on the official website. Ian Coleman's tool can be used in case there is a difference in the derivation path.

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Quote from: bitmover on December 27, 2023, 03:23:03 PM

Quote from: dkbit98 on December 27, 2023, 03:17:29 PM

Quote from: DaveF on December 27, 2023, 11:26:07 AM

Just did a test with my install of Coinomi and getting the red dot on Dash. Will they fix it....who knows.

There is nobody to run the nodes for all coins anymore, and we can't fork Coinomi wallet because it's not open source anymore.
Few alternative options are available and I mentioned them before, but they are far from perfect.

Sad.

They could open their code, so someone could run it.

The best is to move all your coins somewhere else before it is too late and someone actually loses money with it

Don't think anyone is really going to loose money, just a lot of time and effort moving all their coins someplace else.

And yes Time=Money but it's not like the coins are going to vanish, just going to have to jump through hoops to get them.

I don't *think* they were the only wallet for any coins, but if they are / were it's probably not traded anyplace anyway.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on December 27, 2023, 03:17:29 PM

Quote from: DaveF on December 27, 2023, 11:26:07 AM

Just did a test with my install of Coinomi and getting the red dot on Dash. Will they fix it....who knows.

There is nobody to run the nodes for all coins anymore, and we can't fork Coinomi wallet because it's not open source anymore.
Few alternative options are available and I mentioned them before, but they are far from perfect.

Sad.

They could open their code, so someone could run it.

The best is to move all your coins somewhere else before it is too late and someone actually loses money with it

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Quote from: DaveF on December 27, 2023, 11:26:07 AM

Just did a test with my install of Coinomi and getting the red dot on Dash. Will they fix it....who knows.

There is nobody to run the nodes for all coins anymore, and we can't fork Coinomi wallet because it's not open source anymore.
Few alternative options are available and I mentioned them before, but they are far from perfect.

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And.....it looks like Dash is dead now too:

https://www.reddit.com/r/COINOMI/comments/18r6mhg/dash_not_showing/

Just did a test with my install of Coinomi and getting the red dot on Dash. Will they fix it....who knows.

-Dave

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Quote from: bitmover on December 24, 2023, 06:58:26 AM

OK, good to know. I wanted to mention that I remember reading that MyEtherWallet allows you to select between different derivation paths during the recovery process. So, if you have a standard 24-word Coinomi seed, there shouldn't be any difficulties getting access to your ETH tokens. But you added even more details, confirming that Ledger and Coinomi use the same derivation paths for Ethereum. Unless the seed is 18 words long, there is no need to interact with Ian Coleman's tool for Ethereum account-recovery.

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Quote from: Pmalek on December 24, 2023, 02:58:04 AM

What caused those problems? Are they using a non-standard derivation path for Ethereum?

Yes, non standard. Just like Ledger.

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Couldn't you import the original Coinomi seed phrase into an Ethereum wallet instead of looking for a specific private key that corresponds to your Ethereum address?

You can't. It is in a different derivation path.

If you just import into metamask or myethereumwallet you will see another addresses, no matter how many you generate

There is plenty documentation about it in coinomi website

Another one

https://coinomi.freshdesk.com/support/solutions/articles/29000016910

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Quote from: bitmover on December 23, 2023, 01:28:06 PM

I recently had a problem to recover some ethereum (from a friend's wallet in coinomi)

You have to use Ian Coleman tool and select client coinomi.

What caused those problems? Are they using a non-standard derivation path for Ethereum? Couldn't you import the original Coinomi seed phrase into an Ethereum wallet instead of looking for a specific private key that corresponds to your Ethereum address?

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Quote from: Pmalek on December 23, 2023, 09:11:43 AM

Quote from: DaveF on December 23, 2023, 07:46:52 AM

I still have the Coinomi Android wallet installed on one of my phones. I haven't opened it for a long time. I just now opened it to check whether it still works. My old bitcoin address on Coinomi was last synced when BTC was below $25k. It synced quickly, though. I didn't have an Ethereum address there, so I added one now. And I can confirm that it's not syncing at all. There is also a "no connection" notification when I open the Ethereum address in the app.

I recently had a problem to recover some ethereum (from a friend's wallet in coinomi)

You have to use Ian Coleman tool and select client coinomi.

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Coin specific notes:

For Ethereum-based coins (ETH, ETC, EXP, CLO, MUSIC, MIX, POA) specifically, select the "BIP32" option on the "Derivation Path" section and choose "Coinomi" as the client.

https://coinomi.freshdesk.com/support/solutions/articles/29000009717-what-is-the-recovery-tool-and-how-do-i-export-my-private-keys-

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He's dead Jim, you get his wallet I'll get his phaser.

I guess the question for a lot of people like me who just have some dust sitting in it is do you move everything or just each coin as they die.
For probably $40 in ETH I'll move it. But if / when LTC dies is it worth it for $5? I don't need a mobile LTC wallet it was just handy, my last TX was....Sept of 2022....

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Quote from: DaveF on December 23, 2023, 07:46:52 AM

I still have the Coinomi Android wallet installed on one of my phones. I haven't opened it for a long time. I just now opened it to check whether it still works. My old bitcoin address on Coinomi was last synced when BTC was below $25k. It synced quickly, though. I didn't have an Ethereum address there, so I added one now. And I can confirm that it's not syncing at all. There is also a "no connection" notification when I open the Ethereum address in the app.

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And ETH along with it's associated tokens has not been working on Coinomi for a few days now.
So I guess I (and others) now have to really start moving away from here.
It's a shame, it was fairly good while it lasted.

https://www.reddit.com/r/COINOMI/comments/18mrq6w/etherium_wallet_no_connection/

-Dave

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Quote from: DaveF on December 11, 2023, 08:16:56 AM

Once again I use coinomi but the value of the coins there is worth less then the phone they are on so it's an acceptable risk for me at the moment.

For higher amounts, I still like keeping a BIP38 encrypted (cold) paper wallet in my (physical) wallet. I have a backup, nobody can decrypt it if I lose it, but if I ever need it, I'll be glad I have some.

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Quote from: DaveF on December 11, 2023, 08:16:56 AM

Once again I use coinomi but the value of the coins there is worth less then the phone they are on so it's an acceptable risk for me at the moment.

Yeah, that is my situation as well.

And if I do need to receive some different coins, it still works most of the time (except for XMR which I am using Moneruju for now)

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Quote from: bitmover on December 08, 2023, 12:02:55 PM

Quote from: DaveF on December 08, 2023, 09:37:10 AM

True but if you don't mind having your seed in more then one place (which is bad) can import your seed into an XMR wallet with no issues.

Actually, you can't.

You need to put your bip39 seed in coinomi bip 39, and then you will get the xmr seed

https://coinomi.github.io/tools/bip39/

So you need to use this XMR seed. You can't import the bip39 seed into moneruju or cake wallet.

OK, that's on me for not being clear.

BUT I was going with the *assumption* that if you put your seed in X to get seed Y that someone can run it backwards and if you put seed Y into something you get seed X

I could be 100% wrong on that but I can't see it not working.

But either way we are still just talking about XMR, as other coins have stopped working you are still going to have to move them someplace else. So wither you export the keys one at a time and import them into another wallet OR you move your seed.

Would be better just to move what you can by just sending the coins that still work with a normal transaction and then getting out the other ones however you like and just assuming all seeds / addresses are compromised.

Once again I use coinomi but the value of the coins there is worth less then the phone they are on so it's an acceptable risk for me at the moment.

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Quote from: DaveF on December 08, 2023, 09:37:10 AM

True but if you don't mind having your seed in more then one place (which is bad) can import your seed into an XMR wallet with no issues.

Actually, you can't.

You need to put your bip39 seed in coinomi bip 39, and then you will get the xmr seed

https://coinomi.github.io/tools/bip39/

So you need to use this XMR seed. You can't import the bip39 seed into moneruju or cake wallet.

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Quote from: bitmover on December 08, 2023, 08:14:34 AM

Quote from: DaveF on December 08, 2023, 07:32:07 AM

And since they do use standard derivations and we do have the iancolman tool it's not like people are loosing access to their coins. It's just a pain to get to them sometimes.

-Dave

I found out that iancoleman.io tool removed monero from the supported coins.

However, coinomi has its own bip39 tool with monero support. I linked it above.

True but if you don't mind having your seed in more then one place (which is bad) can import your seed into an XMR wallet with no issues.

I was responding to the comment about there not being a lot of complaints about them.

There have been so many wallets that just faded away leaving people trying to figure out how to get their coins because they did something that was so non-standard as to make it just about impossible to get your coins.

Makes you wonder if we will ever know what happened to coinomi and why.

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Quote from: DaveF on December 08, 2023, 07:32:07 AM

And since they do use standard derivations and we do have the iancolman tool it's not like people are loosing access to their coins. It's just a pain to get to them sometimes.

-Dave

I found out that iancoleman.io tool removed monero from the supported coins.

However, coinomi has its own bip39 tool with monero support. I linked it above.

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Quote from: OmegaStarScream on December 08, 2023, 03:21:55 AM

Quote from: Yamane_Keto on December 07, 2023, 01:52:20 PM

There have been responses from the support team over the past year. It is funny that the support team works without an update from the technical team. https://coinomi.freshdesk.com/support/solutions/articles/29000009675-how-much-do-i-have-to-pay-to-use-coinomi-how-do-i-set-fees-
I haven't read many articles, but some of the advice in the above article needs updating.

The article hasn't been updated for a long time, and it's around the same time they started being inactive on their other social media accounts.

I think someone here asked about them not a very long time ago, and I tried to reach out to the support through Telegram IIRC, but there wasn't so much help. It does look abandoned but I'm surprised there are not many complaints about them online.

Probably because for the 'basic' popular coins it does work.
BTC - LTC - ETH - Doge - any many others are still working.
Others like XMR have been dead for a while.

With no discussion or support how many NEW users are they getting.
And as old users slowly stop using it, and people here telling people not to use it even fewer new users will come onboard.
So IMO it's just going to slowly fade away.

And since they do use standard derivations and we do have the iancolman tool it's not like people are loosing access to their coins. It's just a pain to get to them sometimes.

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Quote from: Yamane_Keto on December 07, 2023, 01:52:20 PM

There have been responses from the support team over the past year. It is funny that the support team works without an update from the technical team. https://coinomi.freshdesk.com/support/solutions/articles/29000009675-how-much-do-i-have-to-pay-to-use-coinomi-how-do-i-set-fees-
I haven't read many articles, but some of the advice in the above article needs updating.

The article hasn't been updated for a long time, and it's around the same time they started being inactive on their other social media accounts.

I think someone here asked about them not a very long time ago, and I tried to reach out to the support through Telegram IIRC, but there wasn't so much help. It does look abandoned but I'm surprised there are not many complaints about them online.

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Quote from: Yamane_Keto on December 07, 2023, 12:41:25 PM

Why does this wallet continue to add and use Monero even though they know there is a synchronization problem for more than a year?

If it's abandoned, there may be nobody left to remove Monero.

There have been responses from the support team over the past year. It is funny that the support team works without an update from the technical team. https://coinomi.freshdesk.com/support/solutions/articles/29000009675-how-much-do-i-have-to-pay-to-use-coinomi-how-do-i-set-fees-
I haven't read many articles, but some of the advice in the above article needs updating.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on December 07, 2023, 11:34:47 AM

Quote from: bitmover on December 06, 2023, 02:21:29 PM

Terrible experience, stay away from coinomi. (Great software, but abandoned)

Next time ask before using anything, especially old outdated closed source wallets Wink

Many people here could tell you that about Coinimoi, and there are several alternatives you could use, Stack wallet is one of them for privacy multicoins, or you could just use monero-only wallets.
Maybe even Bisq exchange can work like a wallet, it supports Bitcoin, monero and few other coins.

This is one is last alternative I found for desktop (no xmr), but consider it experimental wallet only!
https://github.com/bitlogik/uniblow

I would say that there is no alternative to Coinomi wallet so far.

All those suggested wallets have problems, like bad bitcoin implementation (no coim control), lack of important coins such as xmr, etc...

I didn't download it now, I have in my phone since 2017.
I had to receive some XMR and it was the most handy alternative ...

Edit:
I won't use Unstoppable again, no coin control is a deal breaker to me.

I will take a look at cake wallet

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Quote from: Yamane_Keto on December 07, 2023, 12:41:25 PM

Why does this wallet continue to add and use Monero even though they know there is a synchronization problem for more than a year?

If it's abandoned, there may be nobody left to remove Monero.

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Quote from: bitmover on December 06, 2023, 02:21:29 PM

Yesterday I had to receive some payment using XMR, and then I discovered Coinomi is supporting it (it generates addresses) but it doesnt sync and doesnt send coins. Terrible!

You have many closed source options for multi-currency wallets and I don't know why anyone would prefer to use currencies like XMR without open source wallets.
There is an easier solution, which is to use Cake wallet.
Why does this wallet continue to add and use Monero even though they know there is a synchronization problem for more than a year?

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Terrible experience, stay away from coinomi. (Great software, but abandoned)

Next time ask before using anything, especially old outdated closed source wallets Wink

Many people here could tell you that about Coinimoi, and there are several alternatives you could use, Stack wallet is one of them for privacy multicoins, or you could just use monero-only wallets.
Maybe even Bisq exchange can work like a wallet, it supports Bitcoin, monero and few other coins.

This is one is last alternative I found for desktop (no xmr), but consider it experimental wallet only!
https://github.com/bitlogik/uniblow

Quote from: LoyceV on December 07, 2023, 04:36:16 AM

I now use Feather for Monero (dust), a hot wallet on my desktop.

It works good, it looks very similar like Electrum wallet, and I think it supports hardware wallets (for people who need that).

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Quote from: LoyceV on December 07, 2023, 04:36:16 AM

I don't get it: this is the reason I posted What happened to Coinomi?, which you Merited and linked from your OP. Why did you still use Coinomi for Monero?

I forgot that your problem was with XMR... I opened Unstoppeable I saw that it doesnt support XMR, and I didn't had time to set up a new wallet, I just generated the address with coinomi...

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I now use Feather for Monero (dust), a hot wallet on my desktop.

I am using Moneruju on android, just ok for now.. Just use for dust too

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Quote from: bitmover on December 06, 2023, 02:21:29 PM

I used Unstoppeable wallet for some time, but it lacks too many functions (like coin control) and doesnt support many coins.

I don't mind the lack of coins (which I don't use anyway), but coin control is indeed needed. I'm using Tor and "From Blockchain" instead of API for maximum privacy, only to get my inputs connected on-chain.

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Yesterday I had to receive some payment using XMR, and then I discovered Coinomi is supporting it (it generates addresses) but it doesnt sync and doesnt send coins. Terrible!

I don't get it: this is the reason I posted What happened to Coinomi?, which you Merited and linked from your OP. Why did you still use Coinomi for Monero?

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Terrible experience, stay away from coinomi. (Great software, but abandoned)

Last update: March 19, 2022. It's unfortunate.

I now use Feather for Monero (dust), a hot wallet on my desktop.

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I will make an update to this topic.

I used Unstoppeable wallet for some time, but it lacks too many functions (like coin control) and doesnt support many coins. So I continued to use Coinomi until now.

Yesterday I had to receive some payment using XMR, and then I discovered Coinomi is supporting it (it generates addresses) but it doesnt sync and doesnt send coins. Terrible!

The reason is that they didnt update the monero wallet after the hard fork.

More details here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/COINOMI/comments/x79hvt/monero_not_syncing/

and the solution here to recover monero coins from coinomi
https://coinomi.freshdesk.com/support/solutions/articles/29000039549

In the end, I had to use a coinomi bip39 tool to recover my coins! (https://coinomi.github.io/tools/bip39/) and download a monero wallet.

Terrible experience, stay away from coinomi. (Great software, but abandoned)

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Quote from: bitmover on September 11, 2023, 10:47:08 AM

Personally, I think there should be a easy-quick sync option. Specially tk save mobile data (for those who are not near wifi)

There is: it's called "API" instead of "From Blockchain". I think that's the default, so I'm not sure which one you're using. I imagine "API" is like Electrum, while "From Blockchain" is more like Bitcoin Wallet.

Yes, it is default. I used API and Tor off.

It was very slow to complete the first sync. Now it is fast to sync when I open the wallet

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Quote from: bitmover on September 11, 2023, 10:47:08 AM

Personally, I think there should be a easy-quick sync option. Specially tk save mobile data (for those who are not near wifi)

There is: it's called "API" instead of "From Blockchain". I think that's the default, so I'm not sure which one you're using. I imagine "API" is like Electrum, while "From Blockchain" is more like Bitcoin Wallet.

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Quote from: OmegaStarScream on September 11, 2023, 09:11:22 AM

Do you have thousands of transactions by any chance? and are you using ZEC (I know they have an issue with it syncing)? Otherwise, I know the syncing is a bit slow (maybe a minute or two compared to other wallets) and I have experienced it before, but 10 minutes and you're still at 18%?! That's way too much.

No thousands, but a few dozens (less than a hundred)

Old wallet from 2017, all bitcoin address formats (before bch fork). So I have 4 bitcoin wallets and all of them are syncing independently (legacy , segwit, native segwit and taproot). I also have ethereum from the same time.

Wallet didn't sync yet (I minimized it, and it didn't work in background). I will keep it open for a while... less than 30%..

Maybe it will be slow just the first time.

Personally, I think there should be a easy-quick sync option. Specially tk save mobile data (for those who are not near wifi)

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Quote from: bitmover on September 11, 2023, 09:02:36 AM

I just downloaded Unstoppable and imported my coinomi seed.

It is Taking too long to sync (more than 10minutes and still 18%). I am not using Tor.

The wallet also has a heavy UI, too many useless tais like markets, news... I found how to hide some in the options.

Overall good wallet, but I think it could more simple and straightforward, like electrum

Do you have thousands of transactions by any chance? and are you using ZEC (I know they have an issue with it syncing)? Otherwise, I know the syncing is a bit slow (maybe a minute or two compared to other wallets) and I have experienced it before, but 10 minutes and you're still at 18%?! That's way too much.

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syncing the wallet takes a lot longer and consumes quite a bit of data.

To emphasize this: if you're going to use Unstoppable Wallet, this is really something to keep in mind. It's on track now to consume more than 10 GB/month in bandwidth, and that's with only 4 coins in the wallet! I'm wondering now: does it download and check full Bitcoin blocks? It kinda makes sense for privacy, but I didn't realize it would be that much. If I'd use mobile data only, this alone would burn through my bundle.

I just downloaded Unstoppable and imported my coinomi seed.

It is Taking too long to sync (more than 10minutes and still 18%). I am not using Tor.

The wallet also has a heavy UI, too many useless tais like markets, news... I found how to hide some in the options.

Overall good wallet, but I think it could more simple and straightforward, like electrum

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Quote from: LoyceV on September 10, 2023, 02:33:30 AM

syncing the wallet takes a lot longer and consumes quite a bit of data.

To emphasize this: if you're going to use Unstoppable Wallet on mobile data, this is really something to keep in mind. It's on track now to consume more than 10 GB/month in bandwidth, and that's with only 4 coins in the wallet! I'm wondering now: does it download and check full Bitcoin blocks? It kinda makes sense for privacy, but I didn't realize it would be that much. If I'd use mobile data only, this alone would burn through my bundle.

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Quote from: bitmover on September 09, 2023, 01:31:02 PM

Following LoyceV topic (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62764298), I discovered that coinomi project is abandoned. Sadly he closed his topic and I neeed to open a new one.

I use coinomi since 2017 for bitcoin, stablecoins and some altcoins when needed. I know it is not safe but I try to keep at most 500 usd there. I like to have crypto in my phone .

As coinomi project is abandoned, not receiving updates for more than a year, I am looking for a similar multicurrency wallet, for android mobile.

Any suggestions? I don't want to use trust wallet as it is owned by binance.

It's just sad because coinomi, which has been around for a long time in the crypto space, we just hear that it has been neglected, I used to use it too. Maybe I'll just give suggestions and it's up to you to choose what you think is okay from what I'll mention dude.

And Jaxx Liberty is one of them, so far I haven't heard of any serious issues with this non-custodial wallet.

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Pros

Simple interface and setup to manage many different cryptocurrencies
Hierarchical deterministic platform
Secure customer service channel within the app
Partner integrations to purchase and exchange cryptocurrencies

cons

Limited number of cryptocurrencies supported compared to other wallets
No staking interface
No direct support for NFTs in the wallet
Not recommended for holding large amounts of cryptocurrency

source: https://www.investopedia.com/jaxx-liberty-cryptocurrency-wallet-review-5271356

As for Zengo wallet, like Jaxx, I've only known minor issues with it, and I haven't heard of any serious issues.

ZenGo Pros & Cons

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Pros
Beginner Friendly & Easy to Use
High Level of Security with 3FA & MPC Technology
24/7 Live Customer Support
Multi-Chain Wallet

cons

Limited Supported Cryptos
Mid to High-Level Fees
Not All Features Available Worldwide

source: https://everybithelps.io/zengo-review/#google_vignette

And the last one is Unstoppable wallet, I have some issues I just found here this is the link;

- https://www.reddit.com/r/zec/comments/11jjeit/is_unstoppable_wallet_able_to_cope_with_the_zcash/?rdt=45798
- https://github.com/horizontalsystems/unstoppable-wallet-android/issues

Unstoppable Pros and Cons

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Pros:

Supports a wide range of cryptocurrencies, including ERC-721 and ERC-1155 tokens. Offers a built-in NFT marketplace. Uses biometric authentication for security.

Cons: The user interface can be a bit confusing for beginners.

source: https://www.producthunt.com/products/unstoppable-domains/reviews

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Quote from: libert19 on September 10, 2023, 06:52:15 PM

Quote from: bitmover on September 09, 2023, 04:10:37 PM

I need a good multicurrency wallet, and a good bitcoin wallet in the same app.

coinomi supported all the best altcoins, and it was an amazing bitcoin wallet. It supported coin control, sign messages, all address formats and so on.

Coinomi haven't gotten update in a while but all it's features still works well, it hasn't been abandoned. Stick with it, until it stops working altogether.

The problem is that it won't receive updates on new vulnerabilities that might be found.

There is a risk using outdated software, which is not worth

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Quote from: bitmover on September 09, 2023, 04:10:37 PM

I need a good multicurrency wallet, and a good bitcoin wallet in the same app.

coinomi supported all the best altcoins, and it was an amazing bitcoin wallet. It supported coin control, sign messages, all address formats and so on.

Coinomi haven't gotten update in a while but all it's features still works well, it hasn't been abandoned. Stick with it, until it stops working altogether.

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Quote from: DaveF on September 10, 2023, 07:37:02 AM

If 10% of the 1 million plus people that downloaded coinomi put in $1 they would have generated $100000 for development & upkeep.
Not a lot but enough to possibly keep it going better then it has.

Usually, apps create a paid version with more features, or without ads. So I guess that's what works for most users.

With Bitcoin related programs, I'm more used to seeing as subtle donation link once in a while. Even if users don't pay, as long as they use it they can contribute by recommending it to others.

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Quote from: DaveF on September 10, 2023, 07:37:02 AM

And so on. If 10% of the 1 million plus people that downloaded coinomi put in $1 they would have generated $100000 for development & upkeep.
Not a lot but enough to possibly keep it going better then it has.

Coinomi had some revenue. They used to have integrated swaps such as Changelly and other third party services. They probably received some money from they.

Some coins payed to be listed, and so on.

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Personally I have a dozen little things that I would like to work on. But since they do consume time and generate $0 money they are the last thing on the list to get done so they never get done. If I could even envision a way to generate a little money I could justify pulling some $ out of pocket to pay someone in the hopes that it might make money. But since I KNOW the potential profit is $0 they are free time things....

Sometimes doing for free to learn is very good as well. But those $0 projects might even surprise you.
I recently got a sponsor in my domain. It is a small money, but certainly I now have a great incentive to continue development

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OT, and no I'm not going to do it or even try to find people to do it.
But, does anyone think having an open source but PAID multicoin wallet would work.

There are expenses in putting things in the apple / andriod store
There are expenses in keeping development running.
There are expenses in keeping the back end servers running.

And so on. If 10% of the 1 million plus people that downloaded coinomi put in $1 they would have generated $100000 for development & upkeep.
Not a lot but enough to possibly keep it going better then it has.

Personally I have a dozen little things that I would like to work on. But since they do consume time and generate $0 money they are the last thing on the list to get done so they never get done. If I could even envision a way to generate a little money I could justify pulling some $ out of pocket to pay someone in the hopes that it might make money. But since I KNOW the potential profit is $0 they are free time things....

-Dave

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One thing to keep in mind: when enabling Tor and "More Private" sources, syncing the wallet takes a lot longer and consumes quite a bit of data.

After playing with it's settings a bit, the one thing I really dislike is asking for my PIN when I open the app. I'd like to only enter the PIN when I make a transaction. I guess I'll go without PIN, I only use shitcoins for very small quick payments.

Quote from: DaveF on September 09, 2023, 03:27:15 PM

The other issue with unstoppable is that there are a lot of shit coins that are very popular that it does not (or at least did not) support. How can any multicoin wallet not have doge? Yes it's a joke as a coin, but it's popular and used.

It does on the other hand support many centralized coins. There's nothing "unstoppable" about that.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on September 09, 2023, 01:36:31 PM

AFAIK, Unstoppable Wallet seems to be the most recommended one for multi-crypto mobile wallet by most of the community members for now.

Not only the Unstoppable Wallet is recommended by the community members for altcoins, but it is also recommended by Theymos here.

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If you have a large variety of different crypto assets that you need to store, there's Unstoppable wallet.

So, I guess everyone should use the open source unstoppable wallet and abandon the use of the closed source Trust wallet.
For bitcoin, I personally use the Electrum wallet and also recommend it to everyone.

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Quote from: bitmover on September 09, 2023, 01:31:02 PM

Any suggestions? I don't want to use trust wallet as it is owned by binance.

Don't use Trust wallet or any other similar closed source wallets, but don't expect to find perfect replacement for Coinomi wallet, especially not for mobile devices.

Best option I found so far is Unstoppable.money open source wallet, that has Tor support and support for Bitcoin and few shitcoins.
Another alternative you can try is Komodo Wallet (ex AtomicDEX) that can serve as wallet and atomic swap exchange.
There are few more wallets I tried but they are either in early stages of development or just bad so I won't mention them.
Safest option is probably hardware wallets like Bitbox, Trezor, Keystone, Onekey.

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Quote from: _act_ on September 09, 2023, 04:19:25 PM

Quote from: bitmover on September 09, 2023, 04:10:37 PM

I need a good multicurrency wallet, and a good bitcoin wallet in the same app.

coinomi supported all the best altcoins, and it was an amazing bitcoin wallet. It supported coin control, sign messages, all address formats and so on.

Does Unstoppable supports these bitcoin features? I will give it a try.

I used Coinomi for a while and I knew it support signing message and customizing fee, but I did not see it having coin control, I have it on mobile device. Probably it would be the desktop device that has coin control because I have not seen it there before on mobile. It is a close source wallet.

Coinomi is supporting all bitcoin address format until P2TR was activated. It is not supporting P2TR.

Well, coinomi allows you to click the ... and select "shows spendable outputs " and select which one to spend

https://coinomi.freshdesk.com/support/solutions/articles/29000030928-managing-your-utxos

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Quote from: Findingnemo on September 09, 2023, 04:33:05 PM

Added to this, their fee estimation is pretty vague so you can't estimate the actual fee without looking into https://mempool.space/ like site.

You can't see all the addresses until the created one atleast get a successful transaction.

So as said its good wallet for multiple coins but definitely not the one for Bitcoin.

I have not used it before for bitcoin. The last time I used Electrum wallet because the wallet do not have RBF. I could have used the wallet but the RBF it does not have for bitcoin will not let me use it. Even if I am using Electrum, I still use jochen-hoenicke.de or mempool.space for fee. There can be a good wallet that do not estimate the fee accurately too.

If you send to the wallet, the address will change to another one but you can not see all the addresses, that is true.

It is a good wallet for many coins but not also supporting many coins like that. There are many coins that it is not supporting and it is support just only the peg of some coins like doge. If you want me to begin, I can name many coins it is not supporting but I like it because it is open source.

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Quote from: _act_ on September 09, 2023, 04:19:25 PM

It is not supporting coin control.

It can not sign a message.

You can use it to customize fee.

Added to this, their fee estimation is pretty vague so you can't estimate the actual fee without looking into https://mempool.space/ like site.

You can't see all the addresses until the created one atleast get a successful transaction.

So as said its good wallet for multiple coins but definitely not the one for Bitcoin.

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Quote from: bitmover on September 09, 2023, 04:10:37 PM

I need a good multicurrency wallet, and a good bitcoin wallet in the same app.

coinomi supported all the best altcoins, and it was an amazing bitcoin wallet. It supported coin control, sign messages, all address formats and so on.

Does Unstoppable supports these bitcoin features? I will give it a try.

I used Coinomi for a while and I knew it support signing message and customizing fee, but I did not see it having coin control, I have it on mobile device. Probably it would be the desktop device that has coin control because I have not seen it there before on mobile. It is a close source wallet.

Coinomi is supporting all bitcoin address format until P2TR was activated. It is not supporting P2TR.

Unstoppable wallet support legacy, nested segwit, native segwit and P2TR bitcoin addresses.

It is not supporting coin control.

It can not sign a message.

You can use it to customize fee.

Separate your bitcoin wallet from those altcoins because there is not better wallets like those wallet that support bitcoin only like Electrum, Sparrow, Bluewallet. Coinomi even lacks many things that these wallets supports.

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Quote from: DaveF on September 09, 2023, 03:27:15 PM

The other issue with unstoppable is that there are a lot of shit coins that are very popular that it does not (or at least did not) support. How can any multicoin wallet not have doge? Yes it's a joke as a coin, but it's popular and used.

I am with bitmover, in the fact that I use coinomi but never have any real funds in there.

Quote from: DaveF on August 31, 2023, 09:05:48 AM

If someone wants my $25 in LTC and $20 in Doge and $20 (ish) in ETH and the other $50 in tokens. Have at it. I have probably saved more then that value in time not having to deal with 3 wallets every time I swapped phones.

I am really surprised that nobody has tried to make a good muticoin wallet. They all seem to get to some point and then go 'meh, good enough'

-Dave

I agree...

Quote from: OmegaStarScream on September 09, 2023, 01:40:52 PM

I also recommend Unstoppable. If you want something open source, that works for storing alts.

Quote from: Findingnemo on September 09, 2023, 01:36:31 PM

Let me quote myself from LoyceV's thread

Quote from: Findingnemo on August 29, 2023, 05:06:00 AM

Have you considered Unstoppable Wallet? Which is open source multi-crypto available on both Android and IOS.

I need a good multicurrency wallet, and a good bitcoin wallet in the same app.

coinomi supported all the best altcoins, and it was an amazing bitcoin wallet. It supported coin control, sign messages, all address formats and so on.

Does Unstoppable supports these bitcoin features? I will give it a try.

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The other issue with unstoppable is that there are a lot of shit coins that are very popular that it does not (or at least did not) support. How can any multicoin wallet not have doge? Yes it's a joke as a coin, but it's popular and used.

I am with bitmover, in the fact that I use coinomi but never have any real funds in there.

Quote from: DaveF on August 31, 2023, 09:05:48 AM

If someone wants my $25 in LTC and $20 in Doge and $20 (ish) in ETH and the other $50 in tokens. Have at it. I have probably saved more then that value in time not having to deal with 3 wallets every time I swapped phones.

I am really surprised that nobody has tried to make a good muticoin wallet. They all seem to get to some point and then go 'meh, good enough'

-Dave

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Quote from: LoyceMobile on September 09, 2023, 01:42:49 PM

The first impression was disappointing though: it shows 4 shitcoins by default, and Tor wasn't enabled. So the default settings need instant changing.
They're also a NFT link on the screen, and unfortunately I can't find how to get rid of it.

I am not into NFT and I did not almost notice the NFT. I do not know how it even works.

It does not support TOR by default and most wallets does not. You can go to settings to enable Tor and it works as usual.

Unstoppable is not for bitcoin. It is supporting bitcoin but people using bitcoin wallet can not use it because it is a shit bitcoin wallet. It is made for shitcoins.

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I installed Unstoppable Wallet on mobile, as it comes highly recommended.
The first impression was disappointing though: it shows 4 shitcoins by default, and Tor wasn't enabled. So the default settings need instant changing.
They're also a NFT link on the screen, and unfortunately I can't find how to get rid of it.

Other than that, it seems okay.

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I also recommend Unstoppable. If you want something open source, that works for storing alts. Alternatively, and if you don't mind the wallets being closed source, Exodus might be a good choice. They have desktop, mobile apps and also an extension.

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Let me quote myself from LoyceV's thread

Quote from: Findingnemo on August 29, 2023, 05:06:00 AM

Have you considered Unstoppable Wallet? Which is open source multi-crypto available on both Android and IOS.

Their supported coins list - https://www.cryptowisser.com/wallet/unstoppable-wallet/coins?page=1

URL: https://unstoppable.money/
Github: https://github.com/horizontalsystems

AFAIK, Unstoppable Wallet seems to be the most recommended one for multi-crypto mobile wallet by most of the community members for now.

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Following LoyceV topic (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62764298), I discovered that coinomi project is abandoned. Sadly he closed his topic and I neeed to open a new one.

I use coinomi since 2017 for bitcoin, stablecoins and some altcoins when needed. I know it is not safe but I try to keep at most 500 usd there. I like to have crypto in my phone .

As coinomi project is abandoned, not receiving updates for more than a year, I am looking for a similar multicurrency wallet, for android mobile.

Any suggestions? I don't want to use trust wallet as it is owned by binance.

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