Topic: Am I a friend or foe of Bitcoin? (Read 1066 times)

Poll /topic closed.

I'm happy the majority feel as I do, because going outside the forum was necessary.   Putting a name to OG was not necessary, even though he has been bragging for years he is THE bitcointalk treasurer, and I will live with that action.  But claiming I put his life in danger is nonsense - he does it every day, and he disclosed his security measures to me in a PM.

It's impossible to keep anything in the forum, unless you want to dick wave forever.   I care less about the civil penalties OG faces, or the reward I could qualify for, than I do about proving he is a liar in a legal court.  As a profile's trust becomes "redder", they start to post more blatant lies, as their reputation can not be harmed as easily. 

I also want to separate myself from the likes of Thule, Quickseller and OG, who use legal threats to forward their agenda.  I will help crytpo legitimize by showing lies have consequences.


Yes.  YES.  YES!

I PMed you - blocked. 
I emailed you - no reply for a day, even though you've been active here.
So I will post here.
I do want to negotiate a settlement before you get charged.  If your legal representation IS NOT NULL, please send the contact info to [email protected]

Thanks all!

As a person I always like them who are straight-forward in their activities and I observed it in you. You have a lot of contribution for the community and you obvoiusly deserve better Vod. I don't know why you think people fear you for what you are doing against scammers, spammers & fraudulent activators. This isn't fear man its respect. Yeah obviously scammers should fear someone atleast.

I don't bother who think positive or negative about me because one thing always punch me on mind that i am trying my best to help others. For that reason maybe on someone's eye I am "hero" or some others take me as a "villain". If scammers and fraudulent activators hate me then let them hate and i am ready to accept it.

Vod, you are a great member, I respect you , I like bpip , I love that boobies' avatar, but posting OG's address was a terrible mistake , i am glad you got rid of it and I hope this shit between you two ends up someday , maybe.

Won't cost him a cent.  He posted several times he has paid his taxes, including a "six figure" sum one year.  He has nothing to defend.

Doesn't matter what I think anymore - no longer in my hands.

And are you sure that there's not even 1% chance of you being wrong? Even with your track record of never being wrong? Otherwise, you'd have caused this person a huge amount of money just so he can defend himself.

idk man, you do you. GL with all this BS I'm out.

This community has become a pissing contest over who can lie better.  It no longer functions and needs a reboot.

I simply copied info found a million places on the web.  OG sent out his address to everyone he scammed.  He hasn't tried to be private - he has relied on his ability to lie publicly to make a living.

It's done - I've pressed the reboot button.  Now we will see what comes of it.   You can lie to Theymos, but not the government. 

I hate you. I've always hated you. That's because you are right most of the times. But when I came around you too were critical of me. So was Tomatocage and basically everyone that abused me on that Exotic car brokering thread.

Anyways. I do think that reporting someone for scammy shit - no matter their rank or stature is the right thing to do. Even if that person is legitimate they will prove their legitimacy through the trial that the community puts them through. You did that, always and for that I like you.

However, it will disrupt the immediate business plans of that guy. Which is a good thing if he was a scammer, to begin with, otherwise you've ruined someone's life dream based on a hunch. And sir, no matter how good your hunch is, without evidence, it still is a hunch.

And please don't doxx someone. The reason most of us joined crypto is because we like our privacy, not because we want to hide something, its because 'we like our privacy'.




And I hate to admit it, Quikie is on the point here.

If you believe anyone is running a big enough game for 6 years, then put the funds together, you old timers are millionaires, you guys can afford a private detective agency. Gather evidence and THEN report to whichever authority you please.

But even then, do not publicly dox someone, it ruins lives and the punishment that the doxxed person faces is beyond any reasonable scale and financially crippling.

Friend .

I dont trust anyone on this forum, they all have a price they will scam for, its just higher for certain people.  I'm glad that Vod is exposing OGnasty, that boy better be packing a gun and have his physical security taken care of, never know when some "visitors" are going to knock on his door.

Now that you realize you’ve broken laws and will be in hot water you want to press ignore? A bit late. Let me know if you want to negotiate a settlement and I’ll send you contact info for my legal representation.

I was clear enough.

Agreed. 

Don't you think the framing of that question is a little unfair? I was suggesting deescalation, or at least dealing with each other privately.


You don't need anyone's blessing to speak your mind. I'm still confused how you intend to show anything on the basis of a poll without accuracy.

Would clicking "Ignore" be a consideration? If your intention is to not give any more fuel to the issue, then surely responding directly to their claims is not assisting your cause.

I have to respectfully disagree.  

This forum is a built up cesspool right now.  People need a release and it won't happen on this forum.

Everyone needs a big reminder that what you post here has real life implications.  OG agrees with me.  (Note:  by using everyone, I am not thinking everyone is part of the cesspool)

Regardless of the outcome, I believe IRS awareness will calm things down.  I'd also like to see QS report me to the police and get that rumor settled too!

One of us will win, one of us will lose, but everyone will benefit from this.

hmm...
So either my statement that it "seem"s you are delighted to see vod doxing and reporting OG to the IRS is wrong, or, I am wrong that you are not from the US?

You think doxing and reporting OG to the IRS is "constructive", therefore merited it, and I think speaking up against doxing and reporting OG to the IRS is "constructive", therefore merited it..
Right? Or did you just think doxing and reporting OG to the IRS is "interesting"?
Was "delighted" the wrong word to use? You merited his dox...

If I am wrong here I apologize for the misunderstanding, but I am not a liar. It must be that you are difficult for me to understand as we have had this problem before..
If you are accusing me of spreading lies or lying I wish you would be more clear about exactly what you are talking about but I can assure you I do not intend to spread lies..


I think it is probably a loaded poll biased toward justifying him reporting OG to the IRS and maybe a slick way to get the community's support behind him on it, or to show community support for it, while leaving out key details of what it is ultimately about, that I felt the need to add to the discussion..

OG likes to use the words "everyone" and "community" to make his points.  I wanted to show he is wrong.  Hope that is OK. 


You are suggesting I lock this thread and give OG more fuel?

Anyway, he has already redacted his claim I am irrelevant by further posting I am "enemy to the community".

It is hard to keep up with his bullshit.  :/  Now he is posting I didn't even put my name to the complaint.  He seems to imagine what the agent said and imagine what I did, and pass those off as facts.  Can't he just wait until they contact him? 

His delusions build on assumptions built on cherry picking.

This is normally why I don't involve myself in Reputation threads; it's above my pay-grade. I need things explained to me like I'm a toddler. With my limited understanding of the situation, can you help me understand why another person's opinion matters enough to genuinely seek a community consensus on the matter? If this is a personality clash between two individuals, then where do any of us come in? Especially if your intent is to seek legal action against that person, it would seem best to discuss this sort of thing with a legal team, others on a need-to-know basis and nobody else.

When I see quotes like this



it makes me wonder what the intended purpose of the thread was to begin with. I understand the "redaction" was more recent than the creation of the thread, but then why continue with the thread now that it has been "redacted"?

I thought I did?  

You'll have to blame the forum poll system on this one.  It provides a separate place for a topic discussion title, and a poll question.

I tried to make the poll as simple as possible - two different opposable options without all the garbage choices other people make in polls.  

I even took the time to reiterate the actual poll question in the topic thread!  I see now that people respond more to the title to the poll, so next time I will make them identical.  Copy/Paste with no added info.

Anyway, the poll was based on OG posting I was a "DANGER" to bitcoin.  He has now redacted that to post I'm irrelevant to bitcoin.    

How about you stop spreading lies about me around the forum? Asking questions and quoting someones posts =/= whatever you say it is.

The same as you think post #2 "this is stupid" is interesting and constructive , I think original thread was interesting and constructive. It would be reckless to use merit system as a like system, don't you agree?

As for topic:
It don't think it does, it shouldn't be different than reporting suspected fraud committed with real money, as for "Am I a friend or foe of Bitcoin?" you are friend. I like to remember when you came to Croatian local to warn people that someone is scammer. Only friend of community will do such thing.

It's always incredibly confusing for me to have to read between the lines for everything that is being discussed in Reputation.

Vod asks "Am I friend or foe of Bitcoin?", and elaborates with "How is crypto affected by reporting suspected fraud?", but for some reason if I were to answer those questions at face value I would probably be looked at as a fool. Wouldn't it be easier to just say what you mean?

I would say almost anyone in our community is a friend of Bitcoin; regardless of how you feel about another member, their projects or organizations that are Bitcoin related. Having different visions of the path that our community or Bitcoin should take doesn't make you a foe, or an enemy. The questions about reporting fraud is irrelevant to Bitcoin, in my opinion, because you could replace the word "crypto" or "Bitcoin" with fiat and the meaning doesn't change. Reporting the actions of an individual has nothing to do with Bitcoin, unless the contingency is the fact that it involves Bitcoin, then I would say it has nothing to do with Bitcoin. If you had similar suspicions about someone doing the same thing, minus the crypto/bitcoin would that change your course of action?

These questions your asking seem to have less to do with Bitcoin, and more with how you feel about an individual.
Reminds me of our good pal killyou72's thread : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/auctions-in-the-collectibles-5141664

Vod, I think you're "a friend of Bitcoin". I disagree with doxing OgNasty or reporting him to the IRS though. He's a proper douchenozzle and deserves to be exposed for the stupid shit he does on the forum but I haven't seen a reason to take it outside of the forum.

I think you’re irrelevant to Bitcoin. You only exist on this forum as a lying douchebag and now everyone knows it.

Yeah, I'm sorry about that.. It's just strange to me that I'm one of the only ones that sees this and has a problem with it..
Maybe their is something wrong with the way I think because it looks like plenty of people see it, and even encourage him, like......

OG and his Nasty Tax Scam...
Merited by Foxpup (3), Hhampuz (2), marlboroza (1), coinlocket$ (1)

I guess a bunch of the usual forum police like the idea of Vod doxing him and using the IRS as a weapon against him.. It just doesn't sit too well with me.. 

I'm not sure what you mean by that comment.  I saw some thread where there was some back-and-forth arguing between Vod and OgNasty, but my defective attention span kept me from seeing the details of what they were arguing about.  What I read had nothing to do with any tax evasion issues, so that must have been in another thread that I missed.  I'm human, sue me.

I understand your position, believe me.  As I said, I don't think Vod should take any action against OgNasty, no matter how bad the relationship is between them, and I gave my reason why.  However, I'm not sure the forum's reputation would be damaged if Vod does end up reporting OgNasty to the IRS.  Bitcointalk is wall-to-wall scammers, liars, and morons as it is and if anything Vod's actions would just make members more careful about what kind of information they share about themselves.  It wouldn't kill the forum.  It wouldn't even give it a paper cut.

Much like you trying to extort me by hinting you made a frivolous report of a crime to start an investigation by the Edmonton Police Service (which could be embarrassing to me, even if there is no wrongdoing)

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Actually no.

You are essentially extorting other forum members to scare them out of not being critical of you out of fear you will make frivolous reports of crimes to start an investigation by the SEC (which is very expensive on the part of the person being investigated, even if there is no wrongdoing).   

Infinity better than "Do what you want at Bitcointalk guys, they turn a blind eye to crime if they can make money."

How inconvenient..

No not really.. He thinks he has discovered in some convoluted way which he may may not have paid taxes correctly in his opinion. I didn't see any commentary from any tax experts or tax documents..

Nobody accidentally happened to discover any evidence of anything, everything pointed to is years old.. What is happening is a which hunt searching for dirt, "Show me the man, and I'll show you the crime."

Funnily enough they, vod, sbogovac, marlboroza, are not even from the US and seem delighted in sicking the US IRS on him..

I have held great respect for Vod for years also but he is going crazy over this spat with OG to the point to where he is attacking him with the US IRS over forum drama..
Sicking the IRS on a fellow crypto user is low and dirty..

I feel it could be very damaging to this community if we are all running around calling the feds on eachother for whatever "evidence" we can construe to get their attention..

"Be careful over at Bitcointalk guys, if you make them mad they'll send the feds to raid you."

Ouch.  I don't agree with your vitriol aimed at Chipmixer, by the way.  That's like saying Tor is evil because it allows the dark markets to exist, but while that's basically true it misses the big picture that a lot of people love their privacy and some have a legitimate need for it.  So as far as coin mixing services go, I have no doubt that they get used by scammers looking to cover their tracks, but those services are also used by people for completely legitimate reasons. 

I haven't been following this recent drama between Vod and OgNasty, and I don't know exactly what it's about but I'm assuming Vod discovered some tax evasion on the part of OgNasty and is going to report that to the IRS?  If that's the case, I have mixed feelings.  I have mucho respect for Vod and everything he's done for this forum, but at the same time I have a serious loathing for the IRS and the tax system in the US. 

I completely understand the importance of citizens paying their taxes, but I feel that we're almost to the point of being victimized by the IRS and the state internal revenue services and other taxes like those for property, sales tax, and probably more taxes than I can think of.  Thus if I uncovered some tax evasion activity being done by any member here, I think I would just remain silent--but as I said, I have mixed feelings and am somewhat conflicted.

But to address Vod's comment in the OP:  Vod isn't an enemy of bitcoin or the community, even if he reports someone to the IRS.  He'll still have my respect even if I don't necessarily agree with his actions.  Nor should this one thing destroy an otherwise solid reputation.

It doesn't damage the crypto reputation, nor it helps with legitimacy.
See yourself from the media and all the news published about BTC fraud, people don't give a fuck to it anymore. If it was because you cleaned the whole industry that would be something else.
Legitimacy: At a large scale it can show to others that the community is ready to act to get a clean 'environment' but a single case, again people don't care.

Do what you think is your duty, no matter if it damages or helps.

You are assuming I haven't reported you.

You have a strange obsession of trying to determine if you are being investigated by law enforcement for this.

It is best if the subject of an investigation not know they are under investigation by law enforcement so to prevent them from acting differently while they are being investigated, and to prevent them from specifically wanting to destroy evidence because they are under investigation.

And you don't act on claiming I'm a pedo why?    

Your question is loaded, and is an attempt to stroke your ego.

I don't think anyone knows you as that. You are known to hand out ratings against many new users who engage in transparent scammy behavior. If memory serves me correctly, you used to accept "anon" reports of scams, but had to stop because you were unable to sufficiently judge the evidence on its own, and received too many inaccurate reports that resulted in you handing out bad ratings.

Obviously fraud should be reported, as such *suspected* fraud, however with regards to the later, there needs to be a reasonable basis to forum the suspicion that extends beyond the preponderance of the evidence standard, not the I don't like the person standard, or the this person is criticizing me standard.

The fact that you were afraid to speak out against lauda and aTriz shows you care more about your stats and less about actually warning others about wrongdoing.

Sooner or later we have to clean up our own backyard, whether we like it or not.
I think that's better if we do it ourselves. If others will have to do it, we may hold part of the blame for closing our eyes.
So on long term, the reporting should be beneficial.


Also, if you are not sure, maybe you ask for help. Lately there are many other members of the forum that can be trusted and maybe they could help.

Reporting users you are arguing with to the IRS to satisfy a personal vendetta is wrong..

Talk about choosing words.. "How is crypto affected by reporting suspected fraud?"
More like "Should I call the IRS on someone I don't like to try to get them into trouble?", which is what I see going on here..

@Vod I think, you are a friend to crypto.  My vote was cast months ago when I added you to my custom trust list.

As for reporting suspected frauds, everyone is entitled to their opinion, and you'll never convince some people that they are being scammed.  Take Amway, for example; I used to work with a pair of bottom-rungers who ceaselessly attempted to recruit everyone in the plant.  No one could convince these guys they were being scammed, and one guy was asked by management to stop trying because of the heated discussions.

No matter how you dress up a pyramid scheme; MLM or blatant Ponzi, they're six in one and half dozen in the other.  Voicing your concern only encourages others to be more scrutinous.

I'd rather you continue to voice your concerns and possibly be wrong, than the alternative.

We are all humans, people will always have a negative things to say especially when if you are working against them.
You are doing great mate, I admire you for a job well done in this forum so don't feel the sad now and continue to do what is right.

You are just simply amazing, scammers have no place to stay in this market and forum. Continue to help the legitimacy of cryptocurrency and the quality of this forum. 

Technically it does more good than harm, it helps strengthen the technology and community as a whole. Let me paint a scenario involving the latest exchange (binance) getting hacked event. Let's say before the hack there was a report of suspected hacking (fraud) and the exchange was able to prevent this hackers from stealing such amount of BTC they went away, won't that have been much better than the success of the hacking?. I guess yes.

Although reporting suspected fraud may demage the reputation of cryptocurrency but that's just a short term effects as these reports will motivate the developers to work on improving the technology to eliminate all the reported flaws as a result giving us a better technology which helps cryptocurrency legitimately.

So from my opinion above, you're a friend of bitcoin. We need more reporting of suspected fraud so developers can improve on existing technology to give us more flawless technology to support cryptocurrency innovation.

To reply to the question being the title, I don't think that you Vod, as an individual, are a friend or a foe of(to?) Bitcoin.
Bitcoin has no concept of morality, good and bad, etc .. It just processes transactions.
Maybe the people calling you "an enemy of Bitcoin" should document themselves on Bitcoin instead of speaking on it's behalf.

Now, to reply to the question inside the post, "How is crypto affected by reporting suspected fraud?" ; I want to reply with a question.
"How is fiat affected by reporting suspected fraud?" Nada, nothing.
Same goes for bitcoin, excepts as it is a nascent technology and showing legitimacy may help, some people have interests in it's success and some have interests in it's demise.
This is another story...

As for the community ...
Personally, I always enjoyed to see your interventions, and I note all the hard work you do to make this forum safer and clearer.
There is nothing wrong with reporting frauds, was it involving crypto or fiat. Rather much the contrary, it is beneficial to a lot of people to weed out fraudsters.

For messages, there are always their contents, and how this content is expressed (format).
I think the content in your scam investigation is interesting however the initial format maybe wasn't the best.
But heh, what's done is done. No "Undo" button.

Big names eventually come to dust (Bernie Madoff?) as their practices are revealed.
True that, presumption of innocence, supposedly OG did everything according to the rules fixed by regulators, as he claims.
If investigated, the outcome (if all cleared) will attract a lot of business to Nasty Mining for their extended compliance, or they will probably have to close (if not all cleared).

Everyone makes mistakes ; on each and every side.
The sum of every and each action makes you who you are.
Please keep doing what you are doing Vod.

Vod, enjoy the tears of your dishonest, scamming victims. Anybody worth their salt on this forum knows that you only act honestly & are helpful here.

Don’t let anybody bring you down. Smile & enjoy your weekend.

well as far as I know all you have done is stop skams, to my knowledge you have not had people invest in you or any project that you are involved in "for profit" so fuck yea you are one of the good guys, you might have saggy tits but that doesn't make you an enemy of crypto bud

Voted on "Helps crypto legitimacy", so logically you are you are a crypto friend (IMO). Crypto made a easier, fast and secure fund transaction opportunity for us. On the other hand crypto give easier opportunity to scammer to steam our money easily. That's why we should report such as scammy projects/website in order to helps crypto legitimacy.  

Sigh. Such a worthless post.

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The situation completely put aside, the answer to the title is: You're a friend.

Bunch of random thoughts:

Ever since I got more involved in crypto I have seen the enormous amount of scams. People willing to cut someones throat for a few bucks figuratively speaking.  Traditional online money transfers with paypal and bank transfers were a lot harder to scam than crypto came along and the scammers loved it.  Once its in their hands you have vritually zero chance to recover it or do anything about it.

Remember, every coin you aren't holding is a scam!!..... Only the coins you own are legit.  Same goes for people advertising scam gambling companies and other bs.  People shilling trading bots and other bullshit like that.

Now lets go to the most advertised company on this forum: Chipmixer , obviously stays in business due to mixing hacked funds, drug money, etc.  Thats no secret, they have no morals its all about money.  They are contributing to the problem.

I consider every coin sketchy including bitcoin

bitcoin: still many questions about the origin and Satoshi's coins??  Inflation bug that was luckily found by a honest bitcoin cash developer

ethereum:  huge premine like everything else, rolled back something that was supposed to be decentralized, now trying to push in a founders tax, greedy devs

ripple: complete shit, what else is there to say, this isn't even a crypto and its in the top 3 and top it off majority of coins owned by their group

eos: somehow this centralized piece of shit that can reverse transactions at will raised billions of dollars but members on this forum are more concerned with noobs scamming 100 bucks



There are good people in this world but they are few and far between, money can be truly evil.

Long time users know me as a good judge of scammy behavior.  As my interests have changed, I have started to pick the lower hanging fruit - the ones easiest to identify.  I no longer deeply investigate, and let others with the skill and interest to do so, to do so.   

Recently I identified a very probable scam.  This has ruffled the feathers of those that profited over the last six years.  I'm now childishly being called an enemy of bitcoin and an enemy of this community.   So, I want to take two days and see what everyone else thinks.

The poll question is:  "How is crypto affected by reporting suspected fraud?"

Thank you if you choose to answer.  Due to the proliferation of alt accounts, there is no accuracy to this poll.