Topic: Am I a shitposter? - asking for an honest opinion (Read 765 times)

At least someone here appreciates my one-liners. 


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Locked.

This may come as a surprise to the OP, but this thread has done all it needs to achieve and should probably be locked.

Expressing an opinion in public is different then insisting on your opinion on others.

I am afraid you can never succeed if you take the path of revolt.

Okay, it wasn't my intention to get on your nerves. I consider you a valued member of this community (especially considering your humanitarian work) and I generally support your work as a campaign manager.
What you’ve noticed from my posting history is not my way to 'keep a place in the campaign’ but, simply, my engagement here that I’m comfortable with. As you can see, my number of posts per week is more or less constant and depends on the number of topics I participate in. If nothing else, this should be an indication that I am not here to make money from sig. campaigns and I don't treat this forum as a job.


Alrighty then. As long as the same rules apply to all participants equally, I have nothing against them. I felt hurt because I got the impression that I was the only one sanctioned under the new campaign rules and, to paraphrase your words, I wasn't impressed when I looked at the posts of some other members from the spreadsheet. I hope you'll pay more attention to this and don’t allow some participants to 'outsmart the rules' by making the max number of posts each week just so they don’t get under the radar.

Speaking of quoting random people from the forum, here’s another one I think is appropriate here:


I think this was published a few weeks after the merit system was introduced. Moreover, this is a good read for all forum members and especially bounty managers because they have a great responsibility to the whole community:
Since 2018, what did you contribute to prevent signature ads removed globally?



One doesn't have to exclude the other.  

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I hear you. Nor would I, if I were a manager, accept myself into a campaign that has a limited number of spots given that there are so many more deserving members here.  
But, let's cross that bridge when we get to it. I still have a long way to go in this community and, hopefully, by then I will be a somewhat more acceptable member.

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@UmerIdrees, @lucifer_8 Don't worry guys about me. What bad can happen to anyone for expressing their opinion in public? Oh, wait...
Shit!  

Also by arguing again and again will not help him either. If i was at his place, i would have understand what the managers actually required and try to improve more.  No matter how good anyone is there is always a room for improvement and we should always try to find that little improvement  in ourselves:)

@FatFork, From the arguments above, no one has called you a spammer but as an employee, you have to meet certain standards of your employer whether you like it or not. Some members like Negotiation are just lucky to stay in the campaign for so long or thats what the employer wants. Every employer has their own perspective on how the work should be done. So fighting with your Campaign Manager in public will not help you, this would only make matters worse for you in future. If you think you deserve better quit this campaign, apply for a better one.

Don't get on my nerves, if I decide not to count your one line comments, I can be justified. Over your time in the campaign I have pin pointed you as one of the users that merely make the minimum number of required post just to stay in the campaign. I do read your post which obviously had some quality in them which is why you're still a member of this campaign.

The spreedsheet is visible for everyone to review but here's a break down,
Like I said, you're not the first to get demoted neither would you be the last, in fact most users marked inactive since my announcement had been users trying to outsmart the inactivity rules to stay in the campaign like this user (semobo) who was demoted few weeks back to give room to the current tier A members


Stop pointing fingers and work on yourself buddy;

So it's all about quantity, not quality? And, in fact, there is no 'quality standard' you were talking about. You basically say that if I make 60 or more (useless) posts a week, I will never get on your radar or get punished? Isn’t that obvious support for forum spamming?


I never counted those three posts in my weekly eligible posts count. You should check your facts before making such allegations.
And, as for your second remark, what’s so bad in one line comments if they’re on topic and not generic or absolute spam?



I may be wrong, but as far as I know you have never demoted anyone before for not meeting the 'quality standard' but only for inactivity for two weeks in a row. It is clear that these members were selected before you took over the campaign but it is your job to actively monitor and warn participants when needed. Have you ever warned any of obvious signature spammers? Instead, you continue to promote and reward them. How is this in the best interest of the BitVest campaign and the forum? I'm sure @lightlord would agree with this too.



I agree that I can (and should) still work on improving the quality of my posts and I am sure that will be the case as I gain more knowledge and experience on this forum. But, as I mentioned before, if forum spamming is a preferred condition for advancing in the BitVest campaign then I don’t even want to participate in it. Feel free to kick me out whenever you want if you disagree with me and if you prefer the quantity of posts over the fight against spam.

FatFork I would agree with Daniel91 and my suggestion is to move on and look for some other opportunity for signature campaigns.
No need to talk more about this issue or ask for more explanation from manager Brainboss.
You can lock this topic now.

I have already aired my view on this topic before don't get what you want me here for again. Any user who think barely meeting up the minimum post requirements with just one line, generic or absolute spam comments who recieve additional attention from me and will definitely get punished. You're not the first and won't be the last. I have demoted users from Teir A and B on different occasions as those users you point figure weren't even in the top tiers when I took over campaign, also when users make more than 60 post even though some got denied I don't have to update the spreadsheet with that since they already met the maximum posts requirements.

When you post username or participant in some weekly draws (game) on the game and round boards, do you expect me to count that towards your weekly eligible posts count? You had about 3 or more of such comment from the 25 you made, others that got your eligible post reduced were one line comments.

Improve on your post delivery that's all I have to say don't forget before last two week you got your post counted and pay for correctly. Very active users promoting the project in the best way they can and in the best interest of the campaign and forum are waiting patiently to rank up, I can't denied them of that opportunity when it present itself, we're only in search of very active users of the community, if you can't meet up, you're free to use the door.

I think this is more of a signature rules question from you. I guess you will get more appropriate answer if you post this on signature campaign thread. Also maybe is there some people who's already talked with manager about accepted sections for paid posts. you can't be sure that Brainboss reading what you saying here.
Anyway, you always can leave the campaign and try to participate in some other. You are so close to new rank, and there is more possibility for you to join in sig. campaign.

I would still like CryptopreneurBrainboss to clarify which sections aren't welcomed (because that's not stated in the campaign terms) and by what criteria he rejected most of my 25 posts even though they weren't just one line comments or spam.

But yes, you’re probably right and I’ll lock the topic if he doesn’t respond in a day or two.

FatFork, I think that already enough members shared their opinions here and even campaign manager explained his decision to you.
If you still feel that campaign manager is not fair to you than I suggest you to simple change signature campaign.
It's obvious that this topic fulfilled its purpose and I believe you received desired answers.
You may lock this topic now.

First of all, I appreciate your taking the time to reply to this topic.


This is somewhat true and I agree that some of my posts were just one-line comments (although I disagree with the statement 'most of them'). This is a forum where people have open discussions, not a bloging platform and, after all, the quality of a discussion should not be measured by the number of words written. I believe all of my posts were on topic and in the context of a discussion and not just random blather to meet some quotas. Any post that does not comply with the campaign requirements or is against the forum rules should be denied. I understand that, but which sections are not welcome and why is this not stated in the campaign terms?


I totally accept constructive criticism and I don’t mind being on your radar, moreover, I support it. This is also one of the reasons why I started this thread. I want the opinion of other members as well so that I can improve my appearance and thrive in this community. What bothered me the most was the fact that, according to your response to PM, you ranked me as a spammer and punished me as if I were the worst shit poster on the forum.


This I don't understand. Shouldn't all forum members react if they spot spammers and shit posters whose only goal is to make money from sig. campaigns and don't contribute anything to the quality of the discussions? You too, like all other campaign managers, have a great responsibility towards the entire bitcointalk community because, as far as I can see, signature campaigns are the biggest source of spam on this forum. Why does the merit system have no impact in campaigns?

Do you really enjoy reading posts like this:
or this:

Both of these members are on the 'Tier A' list of the BitVest campaign and are appropriately rewarded for each of their 'quality' posts.


I will definitely do that. Especially now that I have received support from other members as well. I must be doing something right here, after all.  

Well, that's a bit different. Campaigns have certain rules that may or may not be aligned with your posting style. And if I understand this correctly, it's not that all or many of your posts were bad but CB considered some of them not up the standard and that was enough for you to not meet the minimum quota and to drop you to a lower level. At any rate, I wouldn't consider not meeting campaign quota as a "shitposter" indictment... it would be worse the other way round - if you started making wordy posts and/or more of them just to get paid.

I took a quick glance at the first page of your posting history and it doesn't seem to me that you're writing just to get paid.  Shitposts generally have a smell you can recognize from a mile away.  They're not directed at any particular member; they show evidence of the poster not having read anything in the thread; and whatever is being expressed is just vague generalized statements that you've probably read hundreds of times before.

That sucks, but unless BB sees this thread and perhaps changes his mind there's not much the community can do to influence his decision.  You're not a bad writer by any means, and I'd say you could probably increase your post quality simply by taking more time when you're writing.

Good luck, bro.

That's correct and I gave every user I punish a go ahead to create a thread if he feels I made the wrong call as highlighted in this reply of mine; https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.54684735.

The user in question isn't been labeled a shit poster entirely by me but he didn't make enough post to my standard to make the cut of recieving reward for last week payment that started on 05/07 12:00PM and ended on 12/07 11:59AM.

Fatfork made around 25 post for the week but most of them were just one line comments and (some in section post count aren't welcomed) which is something I don't welcome, I might overlook it sometime but when you're on my radar (gotten a previous warning for been inactive, I apply extra attention to make sure that I don't give a second chance to users who're barely making enough quality post to retain their slots in the campaign.

Do understand that before last two weeks I have been counting and rewarding your post weekly but without much research looking at your posting record for the last two week I haven't been impressed. We all learn daily so don't take my decision wrongly but consider it to be a constructive criticism for you to work on yourself.

Don't go pointing fingers as that doesn't make it any easier for you. Work on yourself and you'll be rewarded weekly, your participation in the campaign is highly appreciate and welcomed.

If this is your concern then we can't do anything. Because every campaign managers have their own standard to prevent spam. Really we don't know which standard has been following by your manager. Also you are not the one who will determine or evaluate other participants post quality. You may friendly ask your manager to point out your mistake, so you will be able to correct yourself although manager isn't obliged and he have right to remove anyone from the campaign for any reason.

For more simple solution you have right to ignore any manager if you don't like their standard. So if you think manager doing something wrong you are free to leave. If you think manager abusing campaign somehow then you may ask owner via PM with some clue or perhaps you may create direct post here instead of indirect post.

I don't know actually said to you that you are shitposter. You should ask them why they said you like that. Then you can get the correct answer by them. Also, you can know what you need to change/remove during posting.

BTW don't care for other's criticism when you feel you are right. But you should take it in a flexible way and understand your mistake if really have any.

LOL! No, it wasn't you. And no, this isn't fishing for merits. Trust me, I had a hard time forcing myself to open a topic like this.  


Okay, so you just happened to guess exactly my sentiment. I don't want to engage in discussions on topics I have no idea about or write nonsense just to fill some quotas. I tend to leave comments only where they can contribute to the discussion with a new and original opinion.


The thing is, our campaign manager, Brainboss, thinks my posts don't meet 'quality standards' and has demoted me to a lower rank in the bitvest campaign. I took a brief look at the posts of some other members from the list of participants and was disappointed to see that certain members are rewarded every week and I am punished and compared to spammers and shitposters. Brainboss knows who I'm talking about and it's easy to find them on the spreadsheet.

Don't get me wrong now, I have nothing against these members and I don't want to tell anyone how to do their job but yes, I find spamming a big issue on this forum. If that's the condition, to produce 50-60 pointless posts a week like on an assembly line, then I never want to reach that 'quality standard' and I don't want to have anything to do with the Bitvest campaign anymore. I opened this topic as requested by Brainboss and I would really like to hear his opinion as well.

The OP has earned (so far) 10% of all their merits off of the back of this thread, so they can't be that bad a poster to be able to scrape in the merits.

Why is this matter of concern if someone call you spammer or obvious spammer? Even still now sometimes few user call me spammer. So what? Should I stop my contributions due their criticize. I don't think so, I don't care if someone call me spammer. I just simply ask them to report my post if they strongly believe my posts are consider as spam. For that reason, reputation thread isn't appropriate unless someone called you scammer.

By the way, noticed from your post history that you are really not an obvious spammer at all. You should build your skin more thicker if you really want to see yourself as a established member of this forum.

Was it me? That definitely sounds like something I'd say LOL. And some cynical old fart like me could also say that you created this thread to fish for merit

But it doesn't really matter that much what some random "senior member" says or thinks. Lots of people and opinions here and you know the saying about opinions. As long as you actually contribute to the forum what you want to contribute, and are not hopelessly illiterate - it will all work out. Trouble starts when people try to pretend to be someone they aren't (e.g. comment on topics they have no idea about), try to fill some quotas and treat posting here as a "job", try to ignore or fight moderators telling them to get their shit together, etc. It doesn't look like you fall into any of these categories even if some cranky "senior member" said otherwise.

@FatFork why you did not post initial accusation from this senior member and his explanation about his attitude?

I give you merit because I find something useful in your post. I rarely check post history before meriting any post, for the reason that I think that one post is very useful. It can be the first and only one post from someone. I must agree with other members and his statement about your post history. most often make sense and they are on topic. Probably you can improve quality (like all of us), but you are still a "young" member here, and I guess things can be only better in the future.
You are in Bitvest signature campaign, which is a campaign with lowerest payments rate on the forum. Low payment rate, it certainly brings a slightly poorer quality of posts and a lot of spam comes from there.

FatFork,  you are still young member and it's normal that you have to pass through some learning process before you become senior member with more experience.
I remember that I gave you merits for some of your posts and all this merits was deserved in my opinion.
You are doing very good work in exposing scammers and I appreciate it.
Some of your posts are maybe just short answers but I will not call it meaningless.
I also appreciate your contribution in local Croatian forum.

After checking your post history I can not say that you are shitposter.
Can you write better posts?
Sure you can, everyone can write better posts it including me, but I don't see you are often posting short oneliner posts or nonsense crap,
and you are also trying to contribute with exposing some plagiarism cases on forum.

For writing better posts we need to have good topics and someone to talk with.
Just my two satoshies BTCBTC

I don't see you as just another shitposter that is spamming nonsense in order to fill the signature campaign post quota. Beside communicating in our local board, you helped me few times in busting scammers, so yeah, I would really like to hear why that member called you shitposter. It is true that you generally  don't write big 5000 characters long posts, but sometimes less is more.

Then again, as @LoyceV said, others were accused of same thing due being part of signature campaign (I've been called that as well, just because I stated opinion that another member didn't like) so you shouldn't take that too seriously.

I wouldn't accuse you that most of your posts are meaningless replies or generic posts. Granted, I didn't browse trough much of your posting history but that parts that I have seen are mainly replies on some shitcoin topics where you call them out or write something sarcastic. They aren't greatest works but they don't need to be to call out a scam. I would even argue that most of those scams don't even deserve the words you did write.

I don't follow much the work of exposing scammers on this forum but I am greatfull that we have members who take their time and try to keep forum a better place.


All your merits are rightfully earned in my opinion and I would definitely not call you a shitposter. Yes you could improve your posting quality but that goes for all of us. This is after all an internet forum and not a book writing contest and I often value more a short, concise post with one sentence in it than 10 sentences long post that doesn't bring anything new to the conversation.

My advice is to keeping doing what makes you happy and ignore malicious comments.

I have just checked your post history, you look like a real user, it's fine. However, I also find that you often have posts in archives section and off-topic sections. LoyceV's judgment may be true, but I also think that it may come from another reason, you may have posts that fall under "bad" topics. And those topics may be deleted because it's not good, or the topic will be moved to another section and the owner of that thread has deleted it. Anyway, just ignore it, you are still doing well, and avoid posting on bad topics (topics that are often moved outside of the topic). Go ahead, guy!

That's right, I'm 'a real living boy'!
 

I made that post two days after my registration on the forum, so yes, maybe at the time I wasn’t fully aware of all the rules on the forum. Most of the other deleted posts were in the local, Croatian section and since we don't have a local moderator I think the global moderator was a bit too strict with the 'off-topic' rule. For some other posts, like the one about forking Electrum wallet I honestly don’t know why they were deleted.


Thank you very much for your opinion. I appreciate it.

Would have been good if this thread had been a poll.  Just be yourself, but don't take everything said to you to heart.  If you take on board any *constructive* criticisms, then your posts will improve.  The more you engage with others, the more "feel" for the expectations this place has.  (Just don't take everything to heart).

Looking (quickly) at your post history, I've definitely seen worse. You look like a real user to me, so keep going

You have 6 deleted posts according to BPIP.
Looking at my archives of modlog, those posts were in these topics:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/0001-bounty-for-simply-task-find-a-girl-name-in-the-picture-1205488
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/kredit-za-bitcoin-5249880
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/selling-fake-cure-for-covid-19-using-alt-accounts-5235145
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/without-banks-is-it-possible-to-move-physical-currencies-to-crypto-5258543
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/electrum-fork-5253871

And an entire topic:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5213903

Checking my deleted posts archive, I get 9 hits on those topics (maybe BPIP missed a few, maybe you deleted some of those posts yourself. I didn't manually check all details in modlog):
https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5440/54407661.html
https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5449/54493537.html
https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5448/54488268.html
https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5448/54489831.html
https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5410/54106773.html
https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5410/54106375.html
https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5469/54699014.html
https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5457/54576096.html
https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5348/53487471.html
I can't read several of those posts. The last link was your topic, that linkdump was clearly insubstantial. But if you learn from having it deleted, you'll be fine.

I've been accussed of being a signature spammer on several occasions. Anyone can have their opinion
I've had posts deleted too. Some deserved, some because I forgot an old bump (which is still deserved).

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Update: since it became clear this is about being accepted in a signature campaign: my statement above doesn't mean I would accept you in a campaign. There's a long way to go from "not a spammer so I can Merit you" to "wanting to encourage you financially to continue what you're doing".

Since a senior member recently accused me that most of my posts are meaningless replies or generic posts, I would like to hear the opinion from other members of this community as well.

I admit I am not a man of many words and English is not my primary language, but each of my posts is written thoughtfully and I try my best to contribute to this forum. I actively participate in exposing scammers and fighting spam and plagiarism on the forum (I've reported 193 posts so far with 99% accuracy), so such accusations hurt me even more.

All of my received merits are, imho, well deserved and most of them are from respectable DT members like OgNasty, LoyceV, xandry, nutildah, marlboroza, Coolcryptovator, NeuroticFish, dkbit98, DdmrDdmr, Daniel91, examplens, stompix, Rikafip, and many others.

But it’s hard to be your own judge so I created this topic for discussion. Please take a look at my recent posting history and give your honest opinion. Am I a good member of this community or just another shitposter from the crowd?