Topic: Am I too Late?! (Read 1943 times)

Given KNC design, manufacture and operate multi data center scale operations, you can’t simply imagine the phenomenal expenses involved. To give you an idea the company said it will invest $150 million more in the next 18 months. Press information indicates KNC raised $29 million in the past 12 months, Bitfury which runs equally sized farms raised $40 million. http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-venture-capital/

Also if you're interested in the costs of this magnitude try hunting around for the company's annual report, this is typically available to investors. For example take a look at the regulated mining firm DigitalBTC, they're required by law to publicly disclose this information. http://digitalbtc.com/announcements/

Work smarter, why bother into mining?

Just create something traditionally, and adapt it with bitpay and you should be having more bitcoin then the average user.

No ones really late, but whats worrying me is that after 6 years of introduction, no etf update or anything moving forward about other companies to adopt it.

How much does something like that cost?

If you have low priced electricity it is not to late.   If you have import taxes, high electricity, etc then it is to late.

ROI is no longer 3 month like it once was.  Expect longer mining time to get ROI.  But it can be done.

Short answer to your question is basically Yes, you are too late.  The free electricity certainly puts your ROI ahead of virtually everybody else but purchasing used equipment off of ebay is going to be costly.  The truth is, you'll probably find much better deals in the [Marketplace] section.  But best case scenario, your still looking at a 6-8 month ROI and that's assuming bitcoin difficulty remains relatively static (which it likely won't)

Thank you for the information .

You're correct. This is KNC's Clear Sky Mining Farm in Boden Sweden.
They operate out of several hangars, on a former military helicopter base right next to a hydroelectric station.
Given the cold climate of Sweden it is assumed KNC are "free air cooling" without cold or hot aisle separation, a simply matter of opening the hanger doors.

https://www.knccloud.com
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWiT4RxY18s

Yes, apparently its a KnC mining farm: http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2014/07/10/massive-bitcoin-mines-spring-up-in-warehouses/

Sorry for the naff link its the best I could find quickly, I have seen it mentioned before though.

I'm not a huge fan of lottery system.  You can still mine profitable but it takes mining smart.   

It is no longer 3 month ROI.  You will need no import tax, and low electricity.  If you have this you can compete and pull a profit.

"Since it's like a lottery system"... you could be better of in a casino, because some games offer much better odds.  

Is that a photo from an actual bitcoin mining operation?   

but with those ways, it isn't exactly free, even with solar panels or other conventional way, there are some costs for the maintenance, a part from the starting cost

There are clever ways of using it without stealing.

electricity aint never free unless you steal it.. And even then someone is paying 4 it

Same here! If I had access to free or inclusive commercial electricity I would mine with every piece of hardware I could get my hands on.

The problem is very few have "free" electricity.  Most parents or someone is footing the bill.  There are some apartments that have electricity included, only one I have ever had that had "free" electricity was student living, it had a max cap of 25 dollars extra.

If electricity is included in a normal apartment landlord will not be happy/chances are catch on after a few k watts of gear.

having free eletricity  is a no brainer. it would be automatic for me to mine ,if i get the juice for free.  just find out what the limit is  so  they dont cut ur gravy train off. dont get ripped off for the gear tho , it will just counter the free juice.

Not necessary true.  Home mining still can be done.  But it is much longer ROI time, and you have to have cheap electricity.

If you go the route of cloud mining, do some research.   Some advertise amazing prices, and they are Ponzi sites.  Cloud mining I highly suggest lots of research before buying hash.

Go for cloud mining or PoS coins. Home mining went into history a year ago.

There is only one situation I would have felt decent with "free electricity".  In student housing for university the apartments bragged about electricity included the most they could charge was a extra "peak charge" of 25 dollars no matter how high it truly was.  I didn't mine there since I had 3 roomates and they would have gotten the charge to, so would have been a not so nice guy move.

If I would have went for the apartment rented out myself i definitely would have mined in one of the rooms.  But most "free" I think parents or small landlord pays. Mine was unique it was multi-million dollar company that put in nice apartments in big university towns.

I always thought something like an Antminer S1 might be more suitable for someone with free electricity. Reason being that you can buy used ones off eBay for very cheap. Here's one that was selling for $40 NZD (about $30 USD) on Trademe (basically our equivalent of eBay):

http://www.trademe.co.nz/computers/other/auction-862628667.htm

According to Coinwarz, 180GH/s at zero electricity cost should reach ROI in about 2 months assuming that the difficulty stays the same. After that, it's pure profit. Plus, you could sell the miner for virtually the same cost you bought it for and make even more money on top.

Modern miners like the S5 are much more efficient and are able to produce nearly 4 times the GH/s per watt compared to the S1 but they also cost much more to purchase. If your electricity is free, then it might be a better idea to go for the horribly inefficient miners that nobody else wants because they are currently cheap as chips.


Any situation that allows for a space heater should be enough to accommodate Bitcoin mining. A small space heater consumes over a kilowatt of energy. An Antminer S1 normally consumes 360 watts. The S5 consumes slightly over 500 watts. Instead of using the heater to heat your room, you could use a miner or two during those cold winter days and your overall electricity consumption should remain pretty much the same.

I will also say to anybody that claims they have "free electricity" to check the realities of of their situation. Somebody is always paying for the electricity they use, but they think it's free" because they have paid for a "normal" amount for their apartment, dorm room, or parent's basement. The key work here is normal, or expected usage amount. Beside the expectation of whoever is paying for the electricity, you will  need to look at the capacity of your electrical service. Student dorm room might have a couple of outlets, probably all on the same circuit. When I went to college, there were serious restriction on things like "hot plates", other high power devices. That wasn't just to annoy folks, it was because the place wasn't wired to support more than some lights, a couple of computers, and maybe a TV. I seriously doubt that college dorms are wired that much better today to support a killowatt or two of Bitcoin mining hardware.

Same thing, on a slightly different scale for your apartment or parent's basement.

Think twice about using your employer's space and electricity for mining. While some may be cool with a small amount of mining that doesn't disrupt things, other employer's have zero tolerance Bitcoin mining on their dime as it were.

In one word. YES

Unless you have 10 million $ or more you wont be able to compete with the miners with 11 million $ or more worth of computers that mine btc

You might be getting ROI very fast during this prior. However, after the halving occur.. your ROI might be slower or you might be losing money instead. Personally, I recommend you not to mine Bitcoin anymore.

I would not say completly to late.  I for see a chance until next having.

You do have to mine smart.  And it will not be a 3 month ROI.   If you are lucky with cheap electricity yes it can be done.   But if you are in a place with a VAT or high electricity you might not make ROI.

So free power and a wireless internet hook up.


 Get 3 s3's for under 100 bucks each get a good psu. the evga 1300 get  wireless bridge.

under 500 usd for the above.  1500gh

and look at the profit numbers

Only a few years

What is your electricity price? This will decide a lot

Can you handle a little noise, or do you have a area to put miners?

Lastly what is your budget you are wanting to spend?

another option is to solo mine. There are some solo mining pools out there that make it easy - this way you get the entire block reward if you find a block. Its much much much riskier, but at this point in the game its the only way for a home miner to see massive returns - to get really lucky.

joining a solo mining pool also helps distribute the hashrate, because I bet if you're going to pool mine, you'd probably join one of the big boys to see constant payouts.

And it depends on why you want to mine. If its to accumulate bitcoin, then no - nothing homescale (or livable - as in, you won't mind the noise) is going to get you a lot of bitcoin I think.

If you want to mine to support the network, then yes - anything homescale and livable can achieve this. And in this case this where the solo pools make sense.

So that'd be my recommendation - buy some ASICS and solo pool mine. Use the rest of the money you would've spent on even more asics and just buy bitcoin.

My simplistic understanding of the protocol for a miner to a poll is that low latency is way more important that high bandwidth. Of course your mobile carrier can "reshape" (i.e. slow down) your access to the Internet, will still keeping it "unlimited".

Thanks for the replys, do you know how much data is used over the net to run a bit miner? IE a single or two S3's for example. I presume the connection doesnt have to be fast. I run my internet from my mobile as i have unlimited data and regularly download upto and over 60gb a month lol that will teach them to tell me its unlimited!

Miners are definitely overpriced on Ebay.

If you get free electricity, it's not that hard to be profitable. You should check out the hardware marketplace section if you want to have a better idea of the real cost.

I also use https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/calculator to estimate profitability. Use something like 5% Difficulty Increment and change the other variables accordingly in the sidebar.

Unless you have terahashes of power it's not profitable, if you can invest for that much go ahead.

well... You may need a computer like this one:



This is the scale of mining today. Since it's like a lottery system it is theoretically possible to still mine with a home computer. The odds however are dismal. It will likely take hundreds or thousands of years to find a block.

really since the Chinese mega-mines it's go big or go home.

Hey guys... After alot of research so I'm not so much of a noob I understand bitcoin mining is not as easy nore cheap task

I am too late to jump on this band wagon?

I see so many bit miners on ebay and ask myself why would people sell if they get a return from these badboys!!

I get free electric where i currently live so thought id be one up on everyone else from the start but dont want to invest a massive amount to see hardly any return with so many big players out there now!

Any advice would be wonderful and i hope im not to late