Topic: Amazon AWS & SES Account Sellers Tag & Flag Reference Thread (Read 439 times)

Correct.  During discussion about this with theymos he sent me a PM yesterday saying he was thinking about banning the sales of AWS accounts [paraphrasing] and this morning he informed he added it to the list.  He included a link to to the edited thread/post.  I'm sure he wouldn't mind if I just posted his PM here, but whatever, you get the picture.

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Yes indeed, thank you theymos.  As a result I've removed my support the flags I created yesterday and removed all the feedback I left as well.  The new rule makes them obsolete, and fuel for drama.  No thank you.

I believe this thread has also become obsolete, so I'll lock it.  If anyone has a compelling reason for it to remain open, please PM me.

AWS was added to the list recently, probably today (see last edit date). Here's the archive:

https://ninjastic.space/topic/5173486

Saves some time for the OP, and banning is more effective than red trust.

I suddenly realized, the trading of those accounts has been banned for a long time. I have notifications enabled for some forum sections, sometimes I get notified about trading account topics. And the special thing is that all of those topics are no longer when I access, it must have been deleted. I was very curious about it, this is the first time that I know the real reason for it, really enlightened  

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this forum is always the best because it has rules and the people who are willing to make them, we cannot find other forums where users operate this way

I just received a PM from theymos informing me that selling AWS accounts is now banned:

I have been flagged as a potential cheater...

I have sold a lot of aws and azure accounts, are there any complaints against me?
I have not deceived anyone and I would like to ask you not to treat me as spam...

DireWolfM14 please explain

I was asking specifically about the ability to use SES, and although not mentioned, those with high sending limits. I did some research and it appears that KYC is not required to move out of the AWS SES sandbox.

I would opine that the selling of SES accounts should be prohibited by the forum due to the limited number of "good" use cases for a buyer of an SES account. Nearly all use cases of buying an SES account are to send SPAM and/or emails intending on stealing money (or otherwise causing harm) from (to) the recipient.

I have not tagged any sellers of AWS accounts, nor have I opinioned on the policy of the OP (I am still considering the merits of the policy).

You do not need to use any KYC to create AWS accounts. You can use any VCC, it is not hacked or cracked. Your facts are nonsense and you tag solid sellers for nothing, but keep alive gambling / banking account sellers (100% created on stolen docs).

Do you have to verify your identity in order to get an SES account?

If so, there is a rule that assumes the account is hacked unless the seller provides an explanation as to why they are not hacked. If this is the case, you should report the threads, and the accounts will get banned.

Neither of these are allowed, unless you can explain why the accounts are not hacked.

This forum is surprising

For the time being, yes.


I've thought about this, and the main reason I'll focus on AWS is because it's by far the more popular one.  So far what I've seen is that if a seller is advertising MS Azure or Google Cloud, he's also advertising AWS.  Chances are those other types of accounts are also fraudulently obtained, so they also qualify.


Those are obviously hacked accounts, which are already forbidden by forum rules.

It's good to have this kind of insight as additional input. I was on board with the idea of tagging them all until I read this, as you bring up some fair points. The main problem is more often than not people engaging in this trade are scammers, and their presence contributes no value whatsoever. This type of exchange service is 98% shady and should probably take place elsewhere.

Most of these scams are taking place on Telegram, and sometimes people get scammed without even creating a Bitcointalk account. They just see a Telegram handle, DM them and send money, apparently. There is no help for these people. I assume anybody who engages in this trade is a scammer as a rule of thumb, but agree that pre-emptively tagging them on this basis wouldn't be fair.

If you are merely reselling a node that happens to run on AWS, as in you give the buyer SSH access, then that isn't selling accounts. Is this your business model?

That's what I was asking. I don't particularly care if Amazon TOS allows the sale of codes (it probably doesn't but that's beyond the scope of the trust system I think) but whether the codes can be obtained legitimately without using fake identities etc. I think I once got an AWS code for something like watching a training presentation but I don't know if that can be scaled to obtain codes for sale.

Doing the same with users selling AWS credit/code is too extreme.
Although it may seem suspicious, they may well have acquired them legitimately with the AWS EdStart program, AWS Education, etc, or even because they published a "Skill" on Alexa.

Applying this logic to tag the credits sellers means we should tag any code seller not matter if it's Amazon or Netflix, Walmart, Youporn, etc...
Anything containing a code, the seller will be tagged.

I'm open to adding those sellers.  I've been busy looking for the actual account sellers, but I welcome suggestions and would appreciate the help.  


That was what convinced theymos.  It seems pretty obvious, and any rational person would come to the same conclusion.

Are you busting AWS credit/code sellers too? I don't know about the legitimacy of those, always seemed sketchy. Are they generating the codes somehow?

Anyway, account sellers are probably breaking forum rules. No hacked or otherwise illegitimately obtained KYC accounts should be allowed to be sold here. I don't see how you can legitimately obtain an AWS account for sale. At the very least you'd have to supply fake credentials.

Makes no sense why people would want to buy AWS accounts in the first place since they're tied to a credit card whose cardholder can call their bank and dispute the charges made to it which'll result in AWS closing the account.

Heck, even buying a VCC from these guys makes more sense than this although that's also just as guaranteed to work as well as hiding somewhere for How Not To Be Seen (spoiler alert: it isn't, and you should watch the Monty Python skit if you haven't already so you know what I'm talking about).

I get that SES is a spammer's paradise to avoid CAN SPAM Act related account busting by the companies providing the email service but that only underscores that the majority of people that'll buy this kind of stuff aren't going to bother reading scam alerts sadly.

Especially since I don't know of any escrows here who are willing to handle account or gift card sales.


Is there a password database from AWS floating around somewhere? I doubt AWS had a data breach, so given that it's stupidly easy to make up personal details on registration (just use random name/address generator websites, AWS doesn't verify anything), I'm inclined to believe that's how pretty much all of accounts being sold were made.

Profiles tagged for selling AWS accounts:

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||.Adamconrell01	|| 5327988	|| m8jlE	|| 2719	||
||.androqq	|| 5247310	|| 36vVi	|| 2733	||
||.best_ses_accs	|| 5332167	|| Yemhw	|| 2722	||
||.Bitscrash.com	|| 5331740	|| T2QUC	|| 2714	||
||.Btchunter3333	|| 5236511	|| SX4SY	|| 2724	||
||.chuotchit	|| 5328346	|| XWbOh	|| 2720	||
||.colires	|| 5296086	|| 9aClB	|| 2713	||
||.Darkakula	|| 5308930	|| ZiZOz	|| 2731	||
||.gStenly	|| 5331456	|| WDY7z	|| 2728	||
||.interwall147	|| 5307955	|| iacql	|| 2723	||
||.itsem3n	|| 5303178	|| 2kgv7	|| 2727	||
||.Jasonderek	|| 5331084	|| pbRTW	|| 2721	||
||.kvsqx	|| 5296645	|| 2VIEP	|| 2726	||
||.leonsnow	|| 3277153	|| K0Og4	|| 2716	||
||.Putera	|| 5246313	|| A9SPK	|| 2717	||
||.sebungkus	|| 5198537	|| P3wvX	|| 2732	||
||.sujjankaran	|| 5326900	|| XwoRx	|| 2730	||
||.trequatro	|| 5313061	|| BnjuO	|| 2725	||
||.vccselling.com	|| 5214992	|| o49zp	|| 2718	||

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Edit:

I've just been informed by theymos that AWS account sales have been added to the list of Banned Services:

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This thread is intended as a reference for the tags and flags I plan to apply to ALL AWS account sellers.

As many of you know, there's a constant stream of scam accusations about those who sell AWS accounts.  It could be just one or a small group of scammers constantly creating new accounts to shed the red-tagged previous account.  I'm sick of it, and I'm resorting to extreme measures.  No more Mr. Nice Guy!

This isn't the first time I've gotten fed up with all the AWS account scammers here on the forum, nor is it the first time I've tried to do something about it.  At some point last year I got just as frustrated with these reports, and decided I would offer free escrow service to help prevent scams.  Well, that worked out for a short time, and I'd like to believe that I helped some people trade safely.  Obviously the scammers weren't happy about that, so at least one (possibly more) started harassing me with numerous alt accounts, here and on Telegram, effectively wasting more of my time than I could afford.  It worked, and eventually I was forced to abandon the project.  Admittedly this coincided with me becoming very busy at work, which only made the frustration of caving-in feel even worse.  Sadly, I had to admit that the fucking scammers won that round.

To those of you who see this as over-the-top, possibly even an abuse of the trust and flag system, I suggest the following:

To the rest of you, I hope you'll join me.

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I've reached out to theymos about this use of the trust and flag system to get this thoughts.  Although I get the sense he sees this as an extreme measure, he indicated the use of the trust and flag system in this way is justifiable.  I won't attempt to put words in his mouth, I'm sure he'll share his feelings here if he wishes.