Topic: American Dentist Pays $50G's, Kills Cecil The Lion (Read 2367 times)
I will never understand people who kill animals for fun. Those trophy hunters who pose with the killed animal, seem to be so proud of what they're doing. They're proud that they killed a majestic animal like a lion
50k dollars to kill an animal, among other beautiful and we should protect. but what kind of world do we live? I hope to arrest him in this stupid
Hunting is prevalent all over the world, even in America, but obviously you don't have the chance to hunt exotic animals but this isn't that shocking to me. I don't condone it but he probably was under the assumption that it was legal.
Zimbabwe now wants to extradite the dentist.
I don't see that happening too easily.
I don't see that happening too easily.
Yeah doubt it will happen. I'm sure he can afford a goof lawyer too.
And he therefore had to lure the animal from the territory of the national park, before murdering it.
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Don't forget:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/extradite-minnesotan-walter-james-palmer-face-justice-zimbabwe
I missed this when it originally broke several years ago but since the recent story of the dentist killing Cecil the lion it has been brought back up. Troy Gentry (from the awful "country" group, Montgomery Gentry) met-up with another pos who owned a so-called wildlife reserve where there was a tame bear named Cubby living on the grounds. Cubby had dental problems and instead of forking-over the money to have them fixed, the owner sold a "hunt" to Gentry where Cubby would be "hunted" in an enclosed area, an acre sealed-off with electric fences. Gentry went for full-effect and even had the "hunt" filmed and acted as if he was actually hunting this bear - the government found out and Gentry and his cohort were charged with felonies. Below are the videos, you'll even see this fuck take you on a tour of his trophies as he plays it off before the feds busted him.
Coverage of this story with videos of the "hunt":
https://youtu.be/tDsUx4PH5Aw
https://youtu.be/wNcBaLzVuBQ
Coverage of this story with videos of the "hunt":
https://youtu.be/tDsUx4PH5Aw
https://youtu.be/wNcBaLzVuBQ
I've always thought this guy was a douchebag and this proves it
50k dollars to kill an animal, among other beautiful and we should protect. but what kind of world do we live? I hope to arrest him in this stupid
Hunting is prevalent all over the world, even in America, but obviously you don't have the chance to hunt exotic animals but this isn't that shocking to me. I don't condone it but he probably was under the assumption that it was legal.
Zimbabwe now wants to extradite the dentist.
I don't see that happening too easily.
I don't see that happening too easily.
Yeah doubt it will happen. I'm sure he can afford a goof lawyer too.
its all ok.
50k for a lion.
5 million or less for a human or his body parts
this is what happens when you lose respect for life and are praying to money as your god.
50k for a lion.
5 million or less for a human or his body parts
this is what happens when you lose respect for life and are praying to money as your god.
There is a petition at the White house site:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/extradite-minnesotan-walter-james-palmer-face-justice-zimbabwe
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/extradite-minnesotan-walter-james-palmer-face-justice-zimbabwe
Do sing it! This criminal need to be brought to justice!
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/extradite-minnesotan-walter-james-palmer-face-justice-zimbabwe
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we petition the obama administration to:
Extradite Minnesotan Walter James Palmer to face justice in Zimbabwe.
Cecil the Lion, a resident of Zimbabwe's national park, and an national icon was poached and killed this week. Media reports in the Guardian, Wall Street Journal and elsewhere have identified American Walter Palmer, a dentist from Minneapolis, MN as the poacher. He is alleged to have lured Cecil from the safety of the national park to kill him. Two of Palmer's local accomplices are already in custody. Zimbabwe authorities now actively seeking Palmer in connection with this incident.
We urge the Secretary Of State John Kerry and the Attorney General Loretta Lynch to fully cooperate with the Zimbabwe authorities and to extradite Walter Palmer promptly at the Zimbabwe government's request.
Published Date: Jul 28, 2015
Issues: Criminal Justice and Law Enforcement, Foreign Policy, Natural Resources
Total signatures on this petition: 228,398
Extradite Minnesotan Walter James Palmer to face justice in Zimbabwe.
Cecil the Lion, a resident of Zimbabwe's national park, and an national icon was poached and killed this week. Media reports in the Guardian, Wall Street Journal and elsewhere have identified American Walter Palmer, a dentist from Minneapolis, MN as the poacher. He is alleged to have lured Cecil from the safety of the national park to kill him. Two of Palmer's local accomplices are already in custody. Zimbabwe authorities now actively seeking Palmer in connection with this incident.
We urge the Secretary Of State John Kerry and the Attorney General Loretta Lynch to fully cooperate with the Zimbabwe authorities and to extradite Walter Palmer promptly at the Zimbabwe government's request.
Published Date: Jul 28, 2015
Issues: Criminal Justice and Law Enforcement, Foreign Policy, Natural Resources
Total signatures on this petition: 228,398
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/extradite-minnesotan-walter-james-palmer-face-justice-zimbabwe
Do sing it! This criminal need to be brought to justice!
People who need to do this for their ego are sadly delusional. Another problem I have is... you see something alive like this in nature and your first instinct is to kill it? We aren't surviving anymore, and this is disgusting behavior.
Follow hidden this bastard?
I hope this subhuman is about to be executed.
Why you are blaming the dentist? He was mislead by the local guide, to believe that the hunting permits were in order. The local guide is the one to be blamed. He pocketed the money himself, and then failed to recognize Cecil. The guide was the one who pointed out the lion to the hunter. And none of the posters here are mentioning the guide.
Bullshit. No way to defend seeing your guides having to lure a lion a half mile away out of a protected area. If what they were doing was legal why the need to lure it so far away? He could have simply shot it in the National Park. No way he would be so ignorant to not notice that.
Update: Also read they removed a collar from Cecil as well. This is getting ludicrous to even pretend he thought what he was doing was legal.
Dentist: So are you sure it's ok to kill this lion, I mean he has a collar on.
Guide: Its ok man, here in Africa all lions have collars...
No need to get emotional. Hunting is perfectly legal in many of the African nations. Hunting licenses are not cheap, costing at least $5,000 to $50,000 depending on the species. That said, a large part of the revenues from issuing these hunting licenses goes towards the conservation programs. Therefore, recreational hunting is beneficial for conservation.
So, how does that align with the fact that they lured the lion out of a National park area, which would be a presumed conservation area?
I don't mind hunting and live in an area where hunting is big. It's one thing to go out in the woods and hunt an animal you intend to eat, such as deer hunting, etc. In this case the guy went to a protected area, had his guides lure the animal out (obviously they knew what they were doing was already illegal or else why the need to lure it a half mile away?) and then shot at it. Seems like he wasn't even that good as they had to track the wounded lion down the next day to finish it off.
There is no way this cowardly action benefits any type of conservation program for the protection of rare animals.
I hope this subhuman is about to be executed.
Why you are blaming the dentist? He was mislead by the local guide, to believe that the hunting permits were in order. The local guide is the one to be blamed. He pocketed the money himself, and then failed to recognize Cecil. The guide was the one who pointed out the lion to the hunter. And none of the posters here are mentioning the guide.
Let me get this straight.
She is an animal communicator and psychic.
Who would have thought this is possible? There seem to be a lot of gullible people in this world.
Even though it is quite unfortunate that this has happened, people are obsessing with it. I'm pretty sure that there were less people who actually cared about the lion before this unfortunate event has happened. I honestly think that both the dentist and the hunter should be charged. Cecil can't really be compared to killing just any random lion out there. As far as I know Palemer said that he regrets that his pursuit of the activity that he loves has led him to killing the lion. He knew what he was going to do and shouldn't be excused.
Some poachers just shot and killed his brother too.
Not a great time to be a lion..
Actually no. Recent news say that this is not true. There is still not enough confirmation so give it some time. Not a great time to be a lion..
Big bastard 
I missed this when it originally broke several years ago but since the recent story of the dentist killing Cecil the lion it has been brought back up. Troy Gentry (from the awful "country" group, Montgomery Gentry) met-up with another pos who owned a so-called wildlife reserve where there was a tame bear named Cubby living on the grounds. Cubby had dental problems and instead of forking-over the money to have them fixed, the owner sold a "hunt" to Gentry where Cubby would be "hunted" in an enclosed area, an acre sealed-off with electric fences. Gentry went for full-effect and even had the "hunt" filmed and acted as if he was actually hunting this bear - the government found out and Gentry and his cohort were charged with felonies. Below are the videos, you'll even see this fuck take you on a tour of his trophies as he plays it off before the feds busted him.
Coverage of this story with videos of the "hunt":
https://youtu.be/tDsUx4PH5Aw
https://youtu.be/wNcBaLzVuBQ
Coverage of this story with videos of the "hunt":
https://youtu.be/tDsUx4PH5Aw
https://youtu.be/wNcBaLzVuBQ
Some poachers just shot and killed his brother too.
Not a great time to be a lion..
Not a great time to be a lion..
I was shocked as I read about that story.
I will never get it what is so fascinating by killing other creatures. Furthermore Cecil was the proud of his country.
Does that a**hole feels mighty and proud of what he has done?
I would like to shoot that bastards a**. Hope the people in his hometown boycott him and he goes bankrupt.
I will never get it what is so fascinating by killing other creatures. Furthermore Cecil was the proud of his country.
Does that a**hole feels mighty and proud of what he has done?
I would like to shoot that bastards a**. Hope the people in his hometown boycott him and he goes bankrupt.
There are hundreads of people being eaten every year in Tanzania and other countries, why care so much about a single lion?
Because people need something to feel angry about even if they're displacing their anger. This shouldn't have been such a big story as it is.
Look, be reasonable. We need stories that touch the hearts and minds of the little people.
And which keep them from realizing how much is being stolen from them by their politicians and bankers.
You know, Ferguson was used up. You know it was.
Cecil's good for a couple more weeks.
Yeah... people shield them from Planned Parenthood.... and focus on the lion from another country.
People should get their priorities reorganized. This is sad, but most people don't care about the millions of babies...
There are hundreads of people being eaten every year in Tanzania and other countries, why care so much about a single lion?
Because people need something to feel angry about even if they're displacing their anger. This shouldn't have been such a big story as it is.
Look, be reasonable. We need stories that touch the hearts and minds of the little people.
And which keep them from realizing how much is being stolen from them by their politicians and bankers.
You know, Ferguson was used up. You know it was.
Cecil's good for a couple more weeks.
I hope this subhuman is about to be executed.
Zimbabwe now wants to extradite the dentist.
I don't see that happening too easily.
I don't see that happening too easily.
50k dollars to kill an animal, among other beautiful and we should protect. but what kind of world do we live? I hope to arrest him in this stupid
Zimbabwean baffled by foreign concern for killed lion
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"It's so cruel, but I don't understand the whole fuss, there are so many pressing issues in Zimbabwe — we have water shortages, no electricity and no jobs — yet people are making noise about a lion?" said Eunice Vhunise, a Harare resident. "I saw Cecil once when I visited the game park. I will probably miss him. But honestly the attention is just too much."
An economic meltdown over the last few years has closed many companies and left two thirds of the population working in the informal economy while battling acute water and electricity shortages.
Most people questioned in downtown Harare hadn't actually heard about the lion and said they were too busy trying to a living to care about it.
An economic meltdown over the last few years has closed many companies and left two thirds of the population working in the informal economy while battling acute water and electricity shortages.
Most people questioned in downtown Harare hadn't actually heard about the lion and said they were too busy trying to a living to care about it.
I think some of the outrage stems from people sick of those that are wealthy getting away with bullshit because of money.
I'd still be way more upset that the wealthy passed a bill, to fatten their pockets, to keep us from knowing what's in our food, than one lion.
(remember I was outraged by the lion too)
Zimbabwean baffled by foreign concern for killed lion
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"It's so cruel, but I don't understand the whole fuss, there are so many pressing issues in Zimbabwe — we have water shortages, no electricity and no jobs — yet people are making noise about a lion?" said Eunice Vhunise, a Harare resident. "I saw Cecil once when I visited the game park. I will probably miss him. But honestly the attention is just too much."
An economic meltdown over the last few years has closed many companies and left two thirds of the population working in the informal economy while battling acute water and electricity shortages.
Most people questioned in downtown Harare hadn't actually heard about the lion and said they were too busy trying to a living to care about it.
An economic meltdown over the last few years has closed many companies and left two thirds of the population working in the informal economy while battling acute water and electricity shortages.
Most people questioned in downtown Harare hadn't actually heard about the lion and said they were too busy trying to a living to care about it.
I think some of the outrage stems from people sick of those that are wealthy getting away with bullshit because of money.
Zimbabwean baffled by foreign concern for killed lion
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"It's so cruel, but I don't understand the whole fuss, there are so many pressing issues in Zimbabwe — we have water shortages, no electricity and no jobs — yet people are making noise about a lion?" said Eunice Vhunise, a Harare resident. "I saw Cecil once when I visited the game park. I will probably miss him. But honestly the attention is just too much."
An economic meltdown over the last few years has closed many companies and left two thirds of the population working in the informal economy while battling acute water and electricity shortages.
Most people questioned in downtown Harare hadn't actually heard about the lion and said they were too busy trying to a living to care about it.
An economic meltdown over the last few years has closed many companies and left two thirds of the population working in the informal economy while battling acute water and electricity shortages.
Most people questioned in downtown Harare hadn't actually heard about the lion and said they were too busy trying to a living to care about it.
Why the **** do you need to kill a lion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqhJuwUukX8
Documentary : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlrJKfaVs2k
"They were told he was now the head of his own pride and as such was completely "wild" and would not remember them!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqhJuwUukX8
Documentary : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlrJKfaVs2k
"They were told he was now the head of his own pride and as such was completely "wild" and would not remember them!"
There are hundreads of people being eaten every year in Tanzania and other countries, why care so much about a single lion?
Because people need something to feel angry about even if they're displacing their anger. This shouldn't have been such a big story as it is.
There are hundreads of people being eaten every year in Tanzania and other countries, why care so much about a single lion?
– it was alleged that Cecil was lured at night about half a mile out of the national park using bait, and then shot with a bow and arrow.
This is the key part of the story for me. I have no problem with hunting, and if you get off on paying 50K+ USD to shoot an animal and it's legal, go for it.
However, I do think it is poor form to lure the animal out of a protected area to kill it.
He has a history of breaking the law and then paying people off. A few years ago he killed a bear where he wasn't supposed to and then dragged the body to an area that was deemed acceptable but was caught and fined. Also in 2009 he was accused of sexually assaulting his receptionist and paid her 120k to drop suit.
As for the lion, there are certain permits that allow hunting of lions but those are lions that are outsiders of groups and likely to be killed or are going to die soon anyway. Cecil was a leader of a pack and as a result the 9 cubs of the pack will most likely be killed by another group leader since Cecil is no longer around to protect them.
As for the lion, there are certain permits that allow hunting of lions but those are lions that are outsiders of groups and likely to be killed or are going to die soon anyway. Cecil was a leader of a pack and as a result the 9 cubs of the pack will most likely be killed by another group leader since Cecil is no longer around to protect them.
Yea I've seen the video on Jimmy Kimmel goes all out on the hunter. He said that this guy got 1 year detention on killing a bear I can't remember the exact details though. I feel sorry for the 9 cubs though.
He has a history of breaking the law and then paying people off. A few years ago he killed a bear where he wasn't supposed to and then dragged the body to an area that was deemed acceptable but was caught and fined. Also in 2009 he was accused of sexually assaulting his receptionist and paid her 120k to drop suit.
As for the lion, there are certain permits that allow hunting of lions but those are lions that are outsiders of groups and likely to be killed or are going to die soon anyway. Cecil was a leader of a pack and as a result the 9 cubs of the pack will most likely be killed by another group leader since Cecil is no longer around to protect them.
As for the lion, there are certain permits that allow hunting of lions but those are lions that are outsiders of groups and likely to be killed or are going to die soon anyway. Cecil was a leader of a pack and as a result the 9 cubs of the pack will most likely be killed by another group leader since Cecil is no longer around to protect them.
I'm having a hard time picking a side on this one. I think hunting for sport is pretty pointless and wasteful, but this country allows hunting, right? They have guides and permits and tourism based in the wild game hunting. So is this really an outrage? This HAPPENS EVERY DAY in this country, no?
Why is this story so much more important?
Why is this story so much more important?
Its not so much that this particular case is more important than others, its simply impossible to report every single instance of these kind of incidents. Instead, it is easier to give people a story that touches them to make an example and a case to mitigate this kind of thing from happening again in the future.
I did a quick Google search for "lion hunt" and look at all the trophy pictures that come up -> https://www.google.com/search?q=lion+hunt&espv=2&biw=1517&bih=714&site=webhp&tbm=isch&imgil=Jvpvr7z7BwfzqM%253A%253BFUWwg4UBA0EihM%253Bhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.discountafricanhunts.com%25252Fhunts%25252Ftrophy-lion-hunting-safari-in-south-africa.html&source=iu&pf=m&fir=Jvpvr7z7BwfzqM%253A%252CFUWwg4UBA0EihM%252C_&dpr=0.9&usg=__DBsJJDb8FEnQUulPlpyWCTEbL4o%3D&ved=0CDAQyjdqFQoTCODrqeP3g8cCFVUtiAoddEwJXg&ei=eKm6VeDPHNXaoAT0mKXwBQ#imgrc=4WdJgMmsSNookM%3A&usg=__DBsJJDb8FEnQUulPlpyWCTEbL4o%3D
These countries need the money, people are willing to pay. Some of us may think it sucks but who are we to tell the country of Zimbabwe what to do?
This argument has a similar (although much more morbid) tone as the gas efficiency of vehicles debate - drive a hybrid vs. driving a gas guzzler. Perhaps the burden of acceptance should be whether the person doing the shooting is doing anything to give back to the community or natural environment that they've taken from for sport. Teddy Roosevelt hunted, a lot, and he also created five National Parks in the US...it feels like he earned his sport hunting. This Dentist, probably not, and he certainly didn't deserve some dumb "celebrity" sharing his home address (which I heard happened recently.)
No need to get emotional. Hunting is perfectly legal in many of the African nations. Hunting licenses are not cheap, costing at least $5,000 to $50,000 depending on the species. That said, a large part of the revenues from issuing these hunting licenses goes towards the conservation programs. Therefore, recreational hunting is beneficial for conservation.
I'm having a hard time picking a side on this one. I think hunting for sport is pretty pointless and wasteful, but this country allows hunting, right? They have guides and permits and tourism based in the wild game hunting. So is this really an outrage? This HAPPENS EVERY DAY in this country, no?
Why is this story so much more important?
Why is this story so much more important?
Its not so much that this particular case is more important than others, its simply impossible to report every single instance of these kind of incidents. Instead, it is easier to give people a story that touches them to make an example and a case to mitigate this kind of thing from happening again in the future.
I'm having a hard time picking a side on this one. I think hunting for sport is pretty pointless and wasteful, but this country allows hunting, right? They have guides and permits and tourism based in the wild game hunting. So is this really an outrage? This HAPPENS EVERY DAY in this country, no?
Why is this story so much more important?
Why is this story so much more important?
Nothing wrong with hunting, but hunt rare animals is wrong. No way that the dude really thought that hunt lions would be legal.
He should be condemned to take care of the orphaned lion cubs and pay for the expenses to reintroduce him in the wild life, at least.
He should be condemned to take care of the orphaned lion cubs and pay for the expenses to reintroduce him in the wild life, at least.
Baiting animals is illegal in a lot of places and is considered cowardly even among hunters (except for maybe subsistence hunters who depend on the kills for survival).
I do support hunting, the eat what you kill like rabbits,stag not rare animal like lion,tiger,etc
sorry what? as libertarians we should complain about the fact that only people with big $$$ are allowed to hunt; hunting should be open to everyone and not require a license (outside of the reservations of course). 
Earth has lost half of its wildlife in the past 40 years, says WWF
And these people want to kill more....
And these people want to kill more....
Shame on them! Such a beautiful animal, and so rare. And those 2 *ssholes posing with pride next to it. They are criminals who should be put in jail for a very long time. Hunting should be restricted to wild boars, rabbits and other animals which are plentiful. And it should not be a sport, hunters should only hunt for food.
This is pathetic, the dentist should be hunted and face the same fate as Cecil
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/zimbabwe/11767119/Cecil-the-lions-killer-revealed-as-American-dentist.html
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Cecil the lion – the most famous creature in one of Zimbabwe's national parks – was killed by an American hunter who has boasted about shooting a menagerie of animals with his bow and arrow, The Telegraph can reveal.
Walter James Palmer, a dentist from Minnesota, is believed to have paid £35,000 to shoot and kill the much-loved lion with a bow and arrow. The animal was shot on July 1 in Hwange National Park. Two independent sources have confirmed the hunter's identity to the paper, which has also seen a copy of the relevant hunting permit.
...“What he’ll tell you is that he had the proper legal permits and he had hired several professional guides, so he’s not denying that he may be the person who shot this lion. He is a big-game hunter; he hunts the world over.”
During the hunt – which the organisers later admitted was badly carried out – it was alleged that Cecil was lured at night about half a mile out of the national park using bait, and then shot with a bow and arrow. The next day he was found wounded by the hunters and killed, before being beheaded and skinned.
Walter James Palmer, a dentist from Minnesota, is believed to have paid £35,000 to shoot and kill the much-loved lion with a bow and arrow. The animal was shot on July 1 in Hwange National Park. Two independent sources have confirmed the hunter's identity to the paper, which has also seen a copy of the relevant hunting permit.
...“What he’ll tell you is that he had the proper legal permits and he had hired several professional guides, so he’s not denying that he may be the person who shot this lion. He is a big-game hunter; he hunts the world over.”
During the hunt – which the organisers later admitted was badly carried out – it was alleged that Cecil was lured at night about half a mile out of the national park using bait, and then shot with a bow and arrow. The next day he was found wounded by the hunters and killed, before being beheaded and skinned.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/zimbabwe/11767119/Cecil-the-lions-killer-revealed-as-American-dentist.html
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