Topic: An Indian casino in New York? (Read 291 times)

There are some legal issues, and it has nothing to do with prejudice. First of all, the tribe needs license from the state government to operate a casino. And the state government has refused to give permission, because the tribe in question (Shinnecock Indian Nation) is not recognized by the state government, although it is federally recognized. The state government believe that they are faking the indigenous identity, just to get permission to operate the casino (in the state of New York, casinos are not permitted outside Indian reservations).

Those kind of casinos are very common on the US, but there is nothing different on what they offer, most of the time unless you are explicitly told a casino belongs to Native Americans you will never know, it is interesting to see the graph and see those casinos are generating so much profits, if I was asked about it without looking at the graph I would have thought those casinos only generated a small amount of revenue but it seems they are slowly overtaking regular casinos.

I thought the Indians that you were talking about are those that are in India, I hope that you will change that to Native Americans because there is some confusion. Hopefully, they are going to become a successful casino but considering that Americans have a prejudice towards these people, I think that they are going to have a problem but if they persevere, they might be able to becoming an established casino. By the way aren't there a limit as to how many casinos there is in a city?

Its basically down to tax laws and so on, same reason a territory is significantly different to a US state and many live the majority of their time there for the tax benefits.   I dont know their character is especially different, its done for the legal advantages that they possess.

Canada has the same deal, anywhere laws might vary its a thing.  Gambling boats used to be a thing, they sail into international waters and play the game legally that way but I've no idea how viable each idea is right now as it varies over time and I thought USA has loosened up slightly.

I can understand religious reasons but that means you dont partake personally.  Do casinos cause any crime or negatives to a community really, so long as the management works to exclude those with some kind of problem gambling its just gaming imo.

It's weird from a gambler like you to have never heard of Native American casinos before. They are famous all over the world yet.
Because of the legal status of indian reservations, native americans avoid many strict regulations applying elsewhere, so they took this opportunity to open casinos on their territories and to earn money with it.  

If they as natives have something different, something better to offer at their casinos, they may see a good number of gamblers gathering at their venue. Are these Indians allowed licenses to operate such casinos over there as they live on reservations? What is the cost of such a license and if a native Indian wants to invest, is there any law that allows him to do so. I have an Indian friend who will soon be visiting USA and is thinking of opening a casino there and has very sound financial background.

This could help bring money and funding back to the Natives who literally have been robbed of their land and pride as bonafide Americans. Hopefully though no racial discrimination is to happen while they are in operation as that will be a huge punch to the gut for these poor fellows. Haven't personally been to an Indian casino but then again, I'm going to guess that it's just like our regular ones except owned by native Americans.

The ancient Indians (Maya and Inca) had many very interesting gambling games, but they are undeservedly forgotten.  

The dice of the Incas were not like little cubes.  They were pyramidal and could rotate.  Dots were drawn on their faces (flat surfaces), as well as on modern bones.  The game itself was a mixture of roulette, dice and racing.  

The Mayans were betting on the victory of one or another team in the ball game. There was a tradition - the players of the losing team were sacrificed.

Modern casinos, controlled by the indigenous people of North America (Indians), are ordinary casinos with the most common gambling games - roulette, poker, dice, slot machines, etc.

If it falls to that classification then they should fight for their rights to run this casino, they already spent a lot of money, this will discourage people from investing if they are not allowed to continue the operation, it should be stopped if they violate laws on running casinos but since they are a class II facility which does not require state or federal approval, they should allow to operate.

This has to be the worst reply that I have ever read in Bitcointalk. Dude doesn't know the difference between Indians from India and the native American Indians from the United States. 592 merit points? Seriously? Someone need to take a look in to how he got this many merit points for such replies. Anyway, I don't expect him to be aware of the fact that apart from Nevada, only Indian reservations are allowed to operate casinos. That is the "difference" here.

I have never been to an Indian casino before but I am familiar with them because I live in a state where there are several Indian tribes.

The type of casino they are trying to open in the Hamptons is a class II facility which does not require state or federal approval so I don't think there is nothing that local residents can do to prevent this from happening.

There are lot of Indians in USA and i won't be surprised if few Indians are running the casino and gambling houses in the US. Also most casino do not specify which country do they belong, so in that case we may now know the casino we are playing actually owned by an Indian.

No matter what, that casino still a casino to the gamblers. If they like to play on that casino because of the uniqueness of the place or served better than the other casino, people or gamblers will still play on that casino. That casino needs to compete with the other casino, especially for the casino that already has a name in the gamblers, and that is not easy.

Honestly the Government of India does not allow such things therefore at the end of the day indians are always a step behind the casino businesses. Therefore most of the locals are unsure about the casino being opened by an Indian. But I do think that they have to thoroughly research on this topic and then again maybe talk with the local community about their nuances. Why are are against this?Any business is a big part of the community it establishes itself into therefore they have to make sure to resolve everything before it gets going. But rest it's good to see the idea of a Casino By Road. This would be different and might serve as a good timepass for people who don't have much time to go to a particular casino since it would be very convenient to reach.
Ofcourse the Indian casino would be similar to other casinos lol , don't even know why people are worried if that might be the same but if they did decide to put a splash of Indian culture in that casino that would be extremely amazing since long before everything Gambling was pretty predominant and extravagant. It would be wonderful if the casino was made as a "Mahal" ( palace) that would be amazing and a place that people would come and visit. They have to make sure to ask a question to themselves "how would this casino be different from others"

I was thinking the real people from India was running casino when i read the headlines. Some stupid peoples while traveling completely failed to identify people and they are yet to rectify their mistakes. They are the real people of America, so identify them as the origins rather than still showing how dumb people can be  .

I heard about casino's run by these people and the government funds them and they wont be having any restrictions like the others because they are the real natives and the foreigners giving them the full freedom  .

I haven't played in an Indian casino yet. So far I was only in Las Vegas in casinos in the states. Most of them were large casinos which are not run by Indians. In my opinion it's a good idea that Indians make a decent profit of gambling. They lost a lot of land over the last few hundreds of years and didn't get a good deal from the government. Having the chance to make some of the money back by casino profits is good. Next time I will go gambling I will go and try out the Indian casinos, expecting for them to be similar to the other casinos though. 

huh? what are you talking about? the thread is talking about native Americans which is called Indian.

game-wise they are basically the same as the other casino not owned by a native american but you might see some native American furniture designs etc.. on an Indian casino. other than that a casino owned by a non-native is the same as those who are owned by a native American.

I have been in the gambling world for a long time, but I just heard that there is an Indian casino. What is the difference with casinos in general,
or the same as the casino in Las Vegas. But seeing the income generated by Indian casinos is staggering, based on existing data in the opening post
from 1990 to 2012 it continues to increase. This can be a good income for the native american who owns the Indian casino. If there is time I will try
to play Indian casino online.

Especially if you compare the earnings to indian country, it could be a big step for people. getting the usa nationality is not so easy on the other hand.

Is there any Indian Casino that has been introduced Here in Forum ? do they have a Crypto site from indian casinos ?

They should give them a chance not only billionaires these are a group of ethnic people who just want to make their niche in the gambling industry, but they also should not withheld their license, they already spent millions of dollars and they deserve to get profit a democratic government, I don't see any reason why they should not have a license since it's not illegal in the US.

I don't think indian casinos even have that much of a difference between other casinos. I looked up a bit and didn't really see anything unique to it. Who knows, some might have even gone in on one of those establishments but never really realized it since there isn't much to take note of that could differentiate it from others. I am however interested in it, thought it may take some time for me to even purposely visit one (if I can)
It shouldn't be that rare for some people to not know of it tbh, it's not like their existence is being broadcasted all over the world. I just hope that they have a unique difference from regular casinos so that they can take their place, otherwise they'd just turn into your regular old casino that can be found anywhere.

every business has a risk and they can loose if the bussiness didnt go well but thats fine to loose when you are already running for some time but in their case they havent started yet and they already loose , thats pretty awful to hear .

your right that they shouldnt build the casnino yet if they are not sure that they can get the necesary requirements/permit but before i think i know some business that already operate without a permit but that is risky because they are considered as illegal and if they will caught without a permit they arent just going to pay but they will get banned .

It's a total waste of money if they did not allow it to operate, it will become a white elephant, they should get all the necessary permit first before building the casinos, this is a bad way to lose in a business, everything are all set up for operation then you don't have a permit to operate, the permit should come first, it's the one of the most important thing besides the funding.

Actually, the key is that the land owned by the Native Americans, precisely the reservations, are considered sovereign territory in many ways, so those regulations you speak of do not apply in many aspects. As you can see here, the range of exemptions are precisely those that enable easy gaming:

I think there is someone who is backing them seems there are lots who play casino there. someone that grabs the opportunity to get rich without showing himself to the public. Maybe one of the government officials because when you see the chart they are operating years ago until now. As for the small community, here in our city most of the small village has their own gambling habit which most likely results in something bad because, despite their lack of resources, they don't mind paying the money they only have. Authorities should take care of those guys' whole community like that playing casino as if it's just some child game is not appropriate for the children and some people with sound minds.

If they setup a casino at that particular location, then the revenue generation is going to be huge. But the last time I heard, the state authorities are not permitting them to start the casino operations. The tribe and their partners have spent more than a million USD in lobbying for the casino, but till now they haven't got the necessary permits to start operations.

I'm 100% sure that they have done a feasibility and profitability study on the project, this is something new and will benefit certain tribe of the region who I believe to be the ancestral tribe of that region, they are proud of their tribe that they have done partnership, they are targetting people from this region, based on the article they will also open an entertainment and restaurant venue to be announced soon, so there's a lot of happening around this project and could become a major tourist attraction.

I have not been into an Indian casino, I'm sure gamblers will be curious about this new casino because this is something many gamblers will want to see what this new gambling hub can offer.

Haven't been in an Indian casino. Just like others, I have been only in a Chinese-operated casino like in Macau. But I don't think there will be much of a deviation from traditional casino. Will there be native games that will be introduced? We don't know. So yes, let's discuss this when they finally unveiled this casino. 

There is nothing specific about Indian casinos. Here it has flourished as a big business and the starting post clearly mention about the Indian population under reservation have seen good money out of caisnos. The large picture of the casino seems to be the attraction. Already few plans has been suspended, now the project is waiting for environmental impact review. We don't know whether it gets approved. Lets get into discussion after it opens by 2022.

Never heard and tried such.

That's out of the question because they wouldn't start a casino without a secured fund as it's needed to operate the casino for a long time.

Remember when new york lawmakers took years to finally legalize mixed martial arts in the state? Heavily regulated states like new york move glacially slow on new trends like introducing gambling to the region.

I would guess the reason this is being fast tracked involves NY searching for ways to prevent their mass exodus of residents to other states. A trend which began years before the pandemic.

There's a famous story about Donald Trump trying to open a casino in florida years ago and being denied As competition between states for residents and tax revenues intensifies. Perhaps we'll see casinos open in other states as well. Wouldn't that be great?  

I've never visited such a casino before, though I've heard a few stories surrounding them from friends and colleagues. Personally, I would love to try it for the experience alone and see whether they're capable to get me hooked like those Vegas-themed and Macau-themed casinos that I've been used to for years.


I think they have outside investors that are uniquely interested to what the natives can offer to the table. The statistics don't lie, so I guess there's really big money to be made from these ventures that backing them would be sensible.

You must be joking Of course there are Indian casinos. It's a very big thing in the United States. In fact. If you look closely at the at the graph in the original post, you will see that their revenue is growing year on year. On the usual Las Vegas style, casinos are in fact lowering in revenue, so. Just take a look and I think your question. Is already answered.

I can't also think of a unique Indian Gambling game, I looked over the internet to find one and the images that was brought to me was just the same like what we always see on a normal casino.
Maybe they just their own play styles but still play the same game just like us. Or this record are only for Indians who owns casino over the USA continent.

To run a casino someone needs a lot of money to cover the big wins and losses to gamblers on short run. I wonder, from where do native americans collect so much money to operate a casino?
Are they millionaire to be able to do this efficiently? If so, why do they live in federal reservations? Or is there a federal department which takes care their finances?

The so called "Shinnecock Nation" is anything but Indian. They are a bunch of people with very distant Indian ancestry, who claims to be direct descendants of the Mohegan tribe. For me this is all just ridiculous. These people don't believe in the original Indian religion or speak the Mohegan language. Nothing differentiates them from the neighboring people who live adjacent to the reservation. So why they are allowed to operate casinos, while their neighbors are not permitted to do so?

in gambling we have country themed games (ex. american roulete ) indian can offer their own themed games but there would be classic games for all races  if they want to target more players worldwide .
 if you havent played an indian casino you should start playing to stop getting curious  .
gambling in india are banned and indian citizen needs to migrate to countries where gambling operations is legal if they want to pursue their gambling career .

they do exist. the reason why didn't notice it in movies is probably that it looks just like any other casinos that you can see in las vegas. I don't know if they have any unique games that came from their culture but as far as I know the games from a native American casino is almost the same as the ones you see on a casino not owned by a Native American.

anyway, you might find this website helpful if you are looking for an Indian casino https://www.500nations.com/Indian_Casinos.asp

nope, probably won't experience it in my lifetime. I doubt I would even be able to visit the US. but if we are talking about an online crypto casino owned by a native American? I would definitely try it out.

I haven't been to any casino owned or operated by an Indian, American Indian to be specific. I was misled by this topic. Simply calling them Indians might mean a different country's citizens. Anyway, does it mean that since this is an American Indian casino the games are also different? Or does the casino also offer the conventional casino games which are offered by majority of the casinos?

I think it doesn't have any difference though, casino's operated by Native Americans are just the same games that you will find in Las Vegas or any parts of the globe. What makes it different though is that Native Americans has sovereignty and self-government. And that is why they are immune from regulations from federal government.

I never heard of Native American casinos, is that even exist?
In movies, we know Chinese casinos with Mahjong and stuff, Japanese with pachinko, etc. What's unique about Indian games? It seems their culture isn't strong in gambling (I might be wrong tho).

I never tried an Indian casino nor online or offline.In order to make a comparison I need to at least try an online reputable Indian casino and see how it feels and what is my experience there.

I think an Indian casino in near New York is good but I am doubtful if it will attract many gamblers.There is still Las Vegas who gathers the best gamblers from the USA.

When you think of the Hamptons in USA, you are likely to picture a leafy area, close to the beach with nice uber-houses of the well-to-do and wealthy people of NY. However the sacred land of the Shinnecock Nation lays right around the corner, 90 miles from Manhattan and with an extension of 365 hectare (900 acres if you prefer) and they are about to open a casino by the road.

Gaming is a major source of income for Indians living in reservations and has provided an increase in income for them, however this development is - as it could not be otherwise - controversial due to the opposition of the locals.

The American Gaming Association estimates a positive impact of 100 Billion a year as of today with a constant growth in the past decades.



Have you ever been on an Indian casino? Good experience?