Topic: [ANN] Cryptoart.com - Purveyors of fine art paper wallets (Read 3975 times)

Hi Folks! 

I'm just posting a little note here because I'm sure that I'm not the only one curious how Cryptoart.com is planning to navigate the "cryto-winter" and the seeming shift in (at least those amongst this sub) perceived value of NFTs in general. 

I know that there are several community members who plan to continue with their collecting of Cryptoart.com prints in the physical form.  A few have no desire to mint any NFTs at all, especially using ETH.  I'd love to hear what you all think!

Cheers,
CakeOnIt

Hi Cygan,

Do you plan to mint NFTs?  You appear flexible and open to the notion.  I am sitting the fence, mainly because of the minting cost; although the minting fee is not quite as bad as I expected, it's non trivial.  I'd love to hear form you or anyone who is proceeding with minting and how the process goes.  I will likely mint some when time allows but really want to see how things go.  I'm really curious how things will go from here.  The cryptoart.com site has undergone revision again as of a week or so ago.  It appears a community manager is still being sought.  Thanks!

CakeOnIt

I think solona would be a much better chain to mint on simply because of the eth gas fees & much faster

Reprints will be in the new form.   My advice would be to hang on to it and see what the NFTs are worth.  There is no expiration on claiming your NFT.  Logic says physical errors will be worth more as they become more scarce, but who knows with the NFT market.

what about the both error prints 'The Tinkerer ' and 'The Halving'...
they were published in a very small number after all - will there also be matching nfts?

Fixed.  Thanks!

I can now see all but "pwned"

As much as it costs to get the NFT, I don't see it as being any sort of value added benefit.

I don't see me signing over a a week's wages just to mint the near 20 pieces I have just to have some jpeg saying I own something I have already owned for quite some time.


To me, physical pieces that have NFT's is just a physical item with an electronic receipt and no one should have to pay for an electronic receipt.

Update:


I think I might have come up with a way to ensure that there isn't more than one copy of the same edition number in existence.  

More to come.

Everything should be on there now.

Also, "Enjoy The Ride" and "Bulwarks of Solidity" certificates.  Welcome back to the forum Troy!

Noted.  It wouldn't make sense to mint something if the NFTs aren't selling for much more.    Eventually, interoperability will allow you to move the NFT around to different blockchains.  It requires us to put the contract on all supporting chains, but it is something we've stated as a future goal.

For me - i wont pay the gas fees to mint anything on ethereum its a waste of funds and in every case I have done so in the past, minting the nft cost more than the art - totally not worth it. Also a shame when something is btc related and then has an eth nft - they really don't go together.

No, but it wouldn't save you gas fees anyway unfortunately.   We looked at this.  We even trying patch processing on polygon, then bridging to ethereum.   

All the NFTs will be on Ethereum at this point.  The imagery on the art piece is independent of the NFT.  Having said that, it is our goal to allow the NFTs to travel to other chains via bridges.   

We used two different printers to create the CofAs.  It looks like the neutral was just a misprint. 

Ok, I'll add it today.




Good question.  Anything we printed previously is a relic of the past.  We won't try to make a print with the rough edges.  I don't know how the market will eventually play out, but it seems like a good strategy for you would be to claim the NFT, then sell the NFT bundled with the rough edged physical.  If you sold the NFT by itself, you invalidate your ability to sell it.



There are 400.  You have a misprint. 

Does each respective blockchain for different pieces accept tokens/NFTs?
I know that BTC uses XCP....and Dogecoin also has tokens.

Do these cryptos haven tokens available?
LTC (Litecoin)
PPC (Peercoin)
BCH (BCash)

Also, is there a significance to the BTC symbol being orange or neutral on the middle back of the prints?
I have 2 of the same print, but the back is different:

I agree this is the case for PFP projects, but I don't believe this is the case for 1/1s and editioned NFTs.   If you know some, please let me know.  I would be curious to see how they do it.  I hope all will eventually. 

Only new prints (that are created with the NFT) will be marked on the back.  It will be marked by us during publication.  If you have a physical print, you don't need to do anything.




If you want to transfer ownership, you need to transfer the NFT.  That's it.  The only reason I mentioned optionally including a physical is because some people may want to load the NFT on to the art piece.





I'm glad you used this analogy.  If previous copies of art pieces are not valid for resale, their velocity is zero.  The fed could print a bunch of new money, but if it never makes it to a bank's balance sheet, no inflation.

In fairness though, the NFT could travel around to many buyers and each of the previous owners could have a non-transferrable version on their wall.   This brings us back to the realization though that anyone can make a print of an image and hang it all their wall.  It doesn't affect the available supply.


As an alternative approach, we could make it so that when someone creates an art piece using the NFT, they surrender the NFT to us.  We could then embed the NFT in the art piece we created for them so that it's removal would damage the art piece.  This would stop previous copies from being in existence.   This was actually our original idea, but after some consideration we realized that the friction it caused didn't really solve anything given the argument above.   I'm open for thoughts on this of course.





The NFT is the authentication and an art piece can't stand alone without it's NFT.   I think it may be confusing to you that you can sell someone an art piece as long as the NFT is included.   Think of it like this, you are really just selling the NFT, but including an art piece to save the new NFT owner the cost of creating a new piece.   


To put it in these terms, the only authentic art piece is the art piece with the NFT. 



If the prints from the museum shop had the term "not valid for resale" they would have little value.



I think I see the source of the confusion.  We could simply mark all new pieces as "not valid for resale."  This would bring the point home that the NFT is the ownership.   Most people will simply sell the NFT by itself anyway.  As mentioned above, marking new pieces "not valid for resale with the NFT" accomplishes a similar result in terms of supply availability.   I'm open for feedback on this.




You get your number.  But, you will never see multiple copies of the same number for sale because only one person has the NFT.  You can't sell anything without the NFT. The art pieces without the NFT are not validly transferrable.




No worries. It can be confusing.  I think the ah ha moment I had was when I realized that the value of editioned art (in this case prints), is not in the media it is on.  The cost to make a print is very small.  The real value is your right to enjoy something scarce, and even more so, your ability to sell that scarce enjoyment to others.

All of this is an experiment. 

I have one that has the rough edges as well - I wondered why it was like that - didnt realize there was various editions of the same artwork.

3 things:

1) I do not see "Bits of Change" (Nina Y.) and pwned (Alix Branwyn) on the list when it drops down to select which artwork you are submitting for.

2) How will the differences in print type be handled? Some earlier works were printed on different stock and had rough-cut edges. The edition numbers printed on the border vs the print itself....
     Will the NFTs be different to reflect this?   See 1st picture below. 2 examples of the "Crypto Greensleeves" print

3) How will the edition numbers effect the number of produced NFTs for that particular piece.
     Example: The Halving II shows two different production numbers below the print number.
      Will there be 200 or 400 NFTs for this print?  See 2nd picture below.


EXAMPLE 1:



EXAMPLE 2:

Most projects give you full personal and commercial rights to the art work as the NFT holder at this point, how is what you're doing any different?

If we have more than a few pieces, will it be possilbe to mint all the NFTs at once/one transaction?

Thanks a lot for the answers (so far). Moar incoming...


It "will be marked as "not for sale without the NFT provenance" on the back" on the look-up tool on Cryptoat.com? Or previous owners should "be forced" to ink stamp the physical artwork on the back? (lol)


I am still not 100% sure if I understood this correctly. So, I can sell only the NFT, and keep the physical artwork (which in this case the physical artwork becomes "void"). However, if I would like to sell the physical artwork, I should/could/would "be allowed" to only sell it bundled with the NFT.

Will, in that case (selling the NFT bundled with the physical), the physical artwork becomes "void"? Will both the physical artwork & the NFT remains as "valid"?


 Let's assume that I sell only the NFT and I keep the physical (which is now "marked" as void). The new owner of the NFT (due to the form agnostic) "can then reprint or enjoy the art in any form they like".

Hence they print a poster AND a mug AND a t-shirt with that image. Will all the 3 instances of the specific artwork be authenticated by just 1 NFT "licence"? Is there a limit? Or the printer goes brrrrr....
By creating multiple "validated" instances of the same artwork, do we artificially increase the total supply of "authenticated" physical artworks in existence?

For example, owning 1 physical CoA, only authenticates 1 instance of the physical artwork. If I photocopy that instance of the physical artwork, it (the copy one) should not be considered as "valid".

Using your "Mona Lisa" example. Taking a photo of the "Mona Lisa", and printing 100 copies of that photo VS purchasing 100 copies of a numbered limited edition print of the Mona Lisa artwork, from the museum shop. (considering that the museum holds the rights to that painting)

I assume that the unauthorized reproductions of the photo that I took will have no value on the secondary market. However, the licenced print artwork purchased from the museum shop, might have.

If the new owner of the NFT, receive that specific physical original copy in the future, will the physical artwork become "valid" again?

New question (+ a comment):

Will the accompanying image artwork of the NFT be a numbered edition, or a generic one (without a specific enumeration at the bottom left).

Let me give an example: Let's assume that I am the owner of the physical "Battle of the Algorithms 171/200" (well... I am not -at least not yet - since it is currently on an auction here, on the collectible section). I decide to keep the physical artwork and sell the NFT. When the new NFT owner would like to print some posters, mugs, tees etc. with that artwork, will the image provided (with the NFT) includes the specific enumeration (ie 171/200) OR it will be just the image of the artwork (without the 171/200)?

By creating form agnostic reproductions with the specific 171/200 tag, it partially solves the scarcity & "the printer goes brrrr" issue, since all those can be considered as "authenticated reproductions" (based on the NFT 171/200 licence CoA that the user hodls).



Apologies for all those "confusing" questions, however that "NFT concept", confuses me sometimes.... lol
Generally speaking, what you are trying to do/achieve here, is an interesting idea. I just have some concerns/doubts about the implementation part.

Funny, looking back at my original post in 2014.  It took a long time just to find my first artist to produce Bitcoin themed art.  99% had no idea what it was, and if you googled Bitcoin at the time you were hit with a bunch of money laundering, drug cartel, pedophilia blowback from the status quo.   Now artists fight to make a name for themselves in the crypto space.   I love that it was a fierce, dark and wickedly talented Ukrainian that led the way.

Absolutely!


Yes.  When you claim the NFT, the CofA becomes void.  We will have a look-up tool on Cryptoat.com that allows people to check if a specific NFT has been claimed


The current NFT hodler.   In fact, you are perfectly entitled to keep the physical.  You just aren't entitled to sell it without the NFT.  




Nope.  Just drop the NFT on Opensea or another marketplace.  The new owner can then reprint or enjoy the art in any form they like.  Think of it as form agnostic.



The physical will be marked as "not for sale without the NFT provenance" on the back.   Not sure I follow the last question, so feel free to rephrase if I didn't cover it.



If you are the NFT owner, you can use them in any way as long is you don't sell physical or digital goods commercially.   i.e. dilute the supply.  

If you have a physical good without the NFT, it is considered an invalid piece.  Much like reproducing a copy of the Mona Lisa, you can keep it personally, but it won't have a secondary market value.  


Going forward on new art pieces, yes.   It doesn't affect selling V1 physical art pieces, except that the potential buyer will want to check our website (or etherscan.io) to make sure the NFT has not been claimed.





You are welcome! These are great questions.  This is why I posted here first.  This will help with the FAQ and also help to align the message.    

Best,

Troy

I am a bit confused could you please elaborate further?

I have some questions:

1) If we choose to claim the NFT of a physical artwork that we already hold, will we still keep the physical certificate of authenticity?


" If you want to sell the art piece, you simply sell the NFT. "

2) If we claim the NFT, and then decide to sell the art, by "simply sell the NFT" (and deliberately keep the physical) who will be the "authenticated" owner of the artwork? The new NFT hodler OR the seller that still holds the physical artwork & the physical CoA?

3) In Cryptoart.com V1, "Selling your art piece requires physical delivery.". In Cryptoart.com V2, selling your art piece does not require physical delivery (of the physical artwork)?

"and the art will be marked as such."

4) How exactly the "art will be marked as such"? Which art piece, the physical OR the NFT? How will the NFT distinguish itself, if the new owner received the physical artwork too? (to be marked as such)

"Physical art pieces created with the NFT are only for personal use."

5) What's the usage status for Physical art pieces created without the NFT ?


6) In "Cryptoart.com V2", you mention that "The authenticity will shift to the NFT". Does this mean that from now on, NFT will act as the CoA, hence it be provided instead of the physical certificate of authenticity (with every physical crypto art purchase)?

thank you in advance, and I wish you all the best. Looking forward to getting some NFT's for my current Cryptoart physicals....

A little more clarity:

Current Cryptoart owners don't need to do anything.   If you don't claim your NFT, nothing will happen.  If you decide to claim your NFT, the authenticity of the art piece is now placed on the NFT.  

1) Cryptoart NFTs will offer the same benefits as other NFTs already out there.

2) We are going to clarify additional rights that give NFT owners the right to print the image on various media or display the image for their own enjoyment.  This is something most NFT projects are lacking.  So, you can print the image on a coffee mug for yourself, but you can't start printing and selling them commercially.  

3) We'll offer NFT owners the ability to print the numbered edition on cryptoart.com with wallet capabilities.  It will be marked as non-transferable without the NFT however.  So, it will look a little different than V1 art pieces.  


Hope this helps.

Maybe I missed something or I'm not understanding it correctly. Can you elaborate on this part? Are you saying, going forward you'll only release pieces as NFTs and it would be up to the NFT holder to actually print them or will cryptoart.com still do the printing if the NFT owner wanted it printed?

Hey, Folks --

I wanted to give everyone here an update on how the Cryptoart.com project is moving forward.  I spent a lot of time on this forum back in the day (under a different username).  I can't believe the Wall Observer is still cranking! Anyway, I know some of you have purchased art pieces over the years.  Thank you for that.

How the art on Cryptoart.com will change:

It should be noted that we are in no way abandoning physical prints/collectibles. We're simply changing how provenance is conveyed, and only if you decide to claim your NFT. NFTs are portable immutable records that prove and transfer ownership of an underlying asset really well. I don't believe an NFT is art, but NFTs help unlock the value of the underlying art by allowing it to be authenticated, enjoyed in different forms, conveyed to others, and sold in marketplaces like Opensea.

Cryptoart.com V1 (The old way):

The physical Cryptoart you own now, along with the certificate of authenticity, represent an authentic art piece.  Selling your art piece requires physical delivery.  

Cryptoart.com V2 (The new way - only if you decide to claim your NFT):
 
The authenticity will shift to the NFT. The NFT allows the owner to enjoy the art in virtual spaces and grants the owner the right to reproduce the image in the physical world for personal use.  If you want to sell the art piece, you simply sell the NFT.  

Physical art pieces created with the NFT are only for personal use.  They can be sold, but only with the NFT and the art will be marked as such. This prevents unauthorized copies from increasing available supply in the market.  Placing provenance exclusively on the NFT will make the aftermarket more transparent, and even allow us to incentivize scarcity.  More on that to come.

When can I claim my NFT?

We're still finishing up the smart contract work.  We expect it to be completed in the next few weeks. *That isn't when the claim will begin.*  Here is the process:

1) Complete this google form for each art piece you have:

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdt9FXrbk3EedgsqgcrNVWy2iPNIpUetrwQ3JMZrqyHHHU4IA/viewform?usp=sf_link

Feel free to start this now.  I know this is tedious if you have many pieces, but we need to manually authenticate each art piece.  This process underscores the need for NFTs.  You will need the Ethereum address of your Metamask account that we will whitelist.

2) Mint the NFT.  When the time comes, we will direct you to a page that allows you to mint the NFT. There will be some gas fees associated with the process that are dependent on network congestion. There is no obligation to claim the NFT and there are no plans to expire your claim on the NFT.


Creating Scarcity:

Over the years we released about 25 crypto themed art pieces as limited editions in various sizes.  In total, this translated to almost 7,000 art pieces of which ~2,500 (~1,000 are from a single edition, crypto nouveau) were still available when we paused sales earlier this year. Our plan is to immediately burn 50% of the remaining art pieces.  When we relaunch, we will drop 500 pieces as NFTs.  The remaining NFTs will go to devs, founders, and a foundation that will eventually live at cryptoart.org.  There will be a vesting schedule for devs and founders.

Things are still fluid, and I highly value the insight of those in this form.  This is why I’m posting here first.  I welcome feedback here or directly at Troy at cryptoart.com.

https://scarce.city/auctions/alexander-fedosov-works

I looked on scarce.city and didn't see the auction, did I miss something?  Can you post a link?  Thanks!

yea I knew you had more - and I am actually at 19 but still less than you

There's an auction coming up on Scarce for 3 of the Alexander Fedosv pics this weekend

Patriot, Nun & Chinese girl

Viz

i can beat that and have 22 different cryptoart pieces
and i am actually missing only 2, if i am not mistaken

same, would love to see some new ones. I have 18 different pieces atm and still missing quite a few of the existing ones.

I'll add on that I'm also looking forward to new releases.

Bump!  I know cryptoart.com has been at a few crypto shows/conferences lately, I'm hoping there is some news with the holidays just around the corner.  I'm looking forward to what comes next.   

Hey Cryptoart.com!  Any updates you have with respect to upcoming releases or more importantly, please keep us posted here!  Can't wait to see what comes next for us! 

It was when I saw it - just needed a pw as it was “protected” luckily had an inside man

I really like Kitsune as well.  Actually my daughter's favorite.  Orange pilled her with it because she loves foxes.  Was that one ever up on Cryptoart.com's site?  I don't remember...

I hear ya there! I just added three new ones to my collection, 21 mil sats, 1 mil sats and the kitsune

i also think and hope that there will be new artworks in physical form at some point .... maybe a new one for the upcoming taproot upgrade
as most here know, i am also a very big collector of the cryptoart artworks and own almost all editions ... and in this context i would like to ask if someone has the 'Protectionism' and 'The Halving - error' both in small edition and maybe would sell them to me...

I hope you are right!

  I wish they stayed with physical items.
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They will be.  There will still be a physical piece.  It's interesting and the space is definitely moving that way with the "NFTization" of stuff that's rare or unique IMHO.  I myself voiced concern about this as well because I didn't connect the dots - in fact I'm still connecting the dots, or trying ;-). 

I don't know or have the exact details but I'll try to explain; Feedback direct to Cryptoart.com or these very posts here I'm sure are important.  Us, as customers and fans of Cryptoart, really have a horse in the race WRT Cryptoart.com getting this right (hopefully really right), and not alienating those of us that love the product as it was.  The next generation art would still be sold as physical (I think exclusively but not sure.  May it be possible to forgo the physical altogether from the start? I dunno!))

The NFTs would be inside the piece.  A qr code under a security sticker, just like the private key of our current works.  If you were to actually convert the print to pure digital (NFT only by pulling the sticker) then the art piece is invalidated - should be defaced.  The question is how?  Where?  I say make the piece obviously not the original by frontal defacement, to prevent scammers selling these on eBay as originals.  That is something they need to wrestle.  Later, (new owner?) can reprint the physical by redeeming the NFT at Cryptoart.com.  Many questions for me remain with the real logistics and execution of the plan. 

Feedback is what they need.  We have to chime in.  The train is on the tracks and moving fast.

I wish they stayed with physical items.

BUMP .  Cryptart.com stuff should pump after this.  See this...."https://cryptoart.com/were-hiring-community-manager/" and the "pathway to NFTs" seems to be close.  I would love to see more discourse here about how the project has unfolded and where it's going!  I'm buy what I can while I can because stuff seems to be selling out more and more.  

Bumping, waiting for some updates
BTW, images will be shown automatically after you rank up from Newbie. That should happen in a few posts.

PS: Moved to the Collectibles section.

Hmmm. Haven't posted here in quite some time. Can't seem to get images to work.  Posting links between the IMG tag just gives a link.

Time to start keeping this thread current with our announcements.

New Cryptoart edition released:  The Halving II (Moon or Bomb?)...













We've added a new Cryptoart edition! 
http://cryptoart.com/product/bitcoin-the-halving-ii-moon-or-bomb/


This is the sister edition to the “The Halving” created by artist Christina Hess in celebration of the Bitcoin Halving.  This piece represents the time period from the 2016 halving to the next halving in 2020 and pays tribute to BTC price speculation.  Some suggest the reduction in Bitcoin inflation will create more scarcity and increase the price.  Others suggest a reduction in block rewards will reduce miner participation and make the network less secure.  The discussion seems ably illustrated as war-time propaganda.

The central element of this art piece is a rendition of the tally stick — an ancient device used to record debts between two parties.  A stick was marked to signify the debt, then broken and given to each party.  The larger half was given to the creditor and the short end given to the debtor.  Similar to the private-key to public-key relationship of cryptography, only one pair could be combined to verify the debt.  In this regard, tally sticks represent sound money by not contributing to fractional reserve banking.

Great Black Friday deals:
http://cryptoart.com/bitcoin-black-friday-2014/

Love the work from Alexander Fedesov.

Our newest artist, Nina Yankovich, is a graphic designer, photographer, and traditional artist based in Ireland. The Artist has been labelled as one of the most notable graphic designers in the country. Nina is well known for her Twisted Fairy Tale series that is comprised of dark humor and beautiful scenery. Nina’s work is usually graced with deep, rich tones, and strong subjects.








More at cryptoart.com.

This isn't the first time The World has seen Cryptoart.  I setup a booth at the Texas Bitcoin Conference a few weeks ago...



I wanted to gauge real-time reactions to the concept of fine art paper wallets.  BTW-- Hashfast next to me had a box mining 2 TH!

The verdict isn't out yet, but one of the Cryptowomen in the booth behind me was kind enough to pose for a quick pic...




So there it is-- A Ferrari, a Lamborghini, Cryptoart, Cryptowomen, the Texas Bitcoin Conference, on the Circuit of The Americas race track.  Not a bad start.

Good luck

Website is now up at cryptoart.com

TL;DR:

Every great movement has been reflected in the work of artists.  I'm publishing Cryptoart as a medium for artists to contribute to the cryptocurrency movement.  Cryptoart also functions as a paper wallet by embedding a public and private key to store BTC.

Quick links:

Website:  www.cryptoart.com

Come by my booth at the Texas Bitcoin Conference!

About:

Cryptocurrency is valuable.  Cryptoart safely stores your coins in a physical, expressive, and collectible form by combining them with fine art.  Cryptoart can be loaded, unloaded, and reloaded with currency, collected or traded in person, stored or framed for your enjoyment. We strive to publish rich, unforgettable imagery that comments on the crypto culture and the cryptocurrency movement.  

IAmA:

I've been an art dealer/retailer for 15+ years and always wanted to move to the publishing side.  I'm also a fan of Bitcoin, and this seems like a fun venture to combine both interests.

Cryptoart Details:

Each limited edition print is embedded with a QR code.  This is your public bitcoin address.  You can use it to check your balance or send money to your cryptoart. On the back, is a security sticker that conceals your private key.  Taking a cue from bitcoin, it was important for me to make cryptoart trustless.  If you don't trust the person you bought your Cryptoart from, you can change out the Bitcoin address and private key without damaging the art piece.
  
Cryptoart comes it several sizes, the smallest size is called a crypto certificate.  All editions are expertly created with museum quality archival inks on a 100% cellulose Hahnemühle German paper.   I intend all future editions to follow the same form factor to aid in authentication.
  
The Artists:

Finding artists is by far the biggest challenge.
My first artist is Alexander Fedesov; a Ukrainian artists that has mastered digital hyper realism and will hypnotize you with his illustrative detail.  His work is loaded with symbolism and will keep your eye busy. More artists will follow from various genres.

Looking for Resellers:

If you have a brick-and-morter place and want to retail Cryptoart, please contact me.  Cryptoart comes unloaded, so I'm also looking for trustworthy folks to load it. You should abide by all AML and KYC requirements of your jurisdiction.