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https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmRtb6EcBgbQnhkgXfVZp1EUjqhMkameHrB1UTEtXiSNgd - Launch validator guide for cyber

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Cyber welcomes its first big gun validator on-board of the **current** testnet  =) Thanks @P2Pvalidator for supporting our incentivized testnet!

https://cyber.page/network/euler/hero/cybervaloper1daxxqs56f6j5qxxtjrjkexghsmnaj66tat3upu

#web3rulezzz

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The cyber~Congress team will be proud to present cyber~Foundation at @DAORushWeek Check out the awesome list of events  about #DAO's and the communities behind them at https://daorushweek.com/events to RSVP!
https://twitter.com/cyber_devs/status/1266335126587400194

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We have voted YES on @cosmoshub proposal 26: Supporting Cyber project using the community pool. The utility and value of the @Cosmos Network depends not only on technology, but also on nurturing the ecosystem to bring projects & products to market.
https://twitter.com/validator_net/status/1265959766100267008

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Cosmos Hub proposal #26 is up for voting. Cast a vote on whether funds from the community pool should be used to help launch @cyber_devs in exchange for return of future CYB tokens to the community pool after the donation round finishes and IBC is enabled.
https://twitter.com/luniehq/status/1266406446855380993

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1/ We have voted "yes" ✅ to proposal 26 on
@cosmoshub proposed by @cyber_devs. We have keep tracked with their progress for nearly 1.5 years and we are confident on their team and we appreciate their contributions to @cosmos.
2/ They are trying to decentralize Google. We think this is a big enough problem to solve. As far as we know they are the only project in @cosmos to do this. This will further improve the diversity of Cosmos.
3/ We first knew @cyber_devs because we were looking for a JavaScript library for Amino in early 2019 and we found js-amino (https://github.com/cybercongress/js-amino). After some conversations, we decided to join their testnet as we share the same vision to decentralize the internet.
4/ Since then, we have seen @cyber_devshad built a decentralized weblink indexer with GPU support, a @metamask_io Snap wallet plugin and different tools to enhance the decentralized search experience. We are confident that their works are good for Cosmos.
5/ Proposal 26 is asking for an investment, not a work fee or grant. By investing 10,000 $ATOM, the community pool will get the equivalent $CYB. We see this as the first decentralized investment proposal of the @cosmoshub community pool, which is a very good experiment.
6/ 10K $atom is roughly $28K. This is a similar check size as pre-seed investment normally done by angel or VC such as @Jason and @HustleFundVC. We should make our decision quick enough such that the proposer can get back to work asap.
7/ As @cosmosvalidator, we think we can and we should play an important role to bridge the information asymmetry between general $atom hodlers and ecosystem projects. By approving this proposal, we can speed up the development of @cosmos which will ultimately benefit $atom.
8/ We hope @cosmosvalidator, after reading these tweets, may gain more knowledge and interest in this project and ask @cyber_devsenough questions to justify your voting decision. Please also help to RT such that more $atom hodlers and validators will study this proposal further.
https://twitter.com/forbole/status/1267309062523256833

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🗣️ Introducing #CosmosAMA

 #1: Cyber Congress & the decentralized

Join @cosmos today @ 8 PM CEST/ 11 AM PDT for a fire talk w/ @cyber_devs on the Cyber project, their @cosmos history, the vision for the Great Web aka Web3 &26.
TG channel👉https://t.me/cosmosproject

https://twitter.com/cosmos/status/1267406554090872834
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Hey everyone! We have submitted the first of its kind proposal to the Cosmos Hub. It is a proposal to make a collective decision to participate in a takeoff round of a project via the use of on-chain governance mechanisms, consensus and the community pool.

Long story short, here is the proposal

Here is the detail

Discuss here!
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Almost 100,000 cyberlinks created during GoL!



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How about an #IBC use case beyond token transfer? Transfer of cyberlinks between 2 chains. Wouldn't it be amazing if 2 separate networks could exchange data and prove the value of what they exchange without relying on (semi) centralized price oracles? Well, you can =)
watch this moment
https://twitter.com/cyber_devs/status/1262810901075410944
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We have completely reshaped our FAQ. Find out about what is Cyber, how it works, why it can be valuable, etc
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We are ready for takeoff in 3,2,1...

Read all about the takeoff donation round in this post or head over here and f**k google!
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Yesterday I participated in governance voting. It was fun. The first time I voted with  Ledger. Thank you guys!
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You can now use cyber.page (the app for cyber) to claim and vest tokens via our Aragon apps and use them to participate in our distribution games and play on our Cosmos based chain! Check out the guide

Or just go to cyber.page and use your metamsk extension to do this. Check out the Aragon dapps too
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Following the release of the Aragon ceremony guide for euler~Foundation, here is a post explaining why its so epic

The link to the ceremony guide itself

Teams across blockchains are welcome to use the guide for their own setup!
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Original protocols of the Internet, such as: TCP/IP, DNS, URL, and HTTP/S have brought the web to a stale point. Considering all the benefits that these protocols have produced for the initial development of the web, along with them, they have brought significant obstacles to the table.

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Introducing cyber: A decentralized google for provable and relevant answers. Cyber is an inter-planetary search engine & a state of the art consensus computer, built with the help of go-IPFS and cosmos-SDK. Cyber introduces a protocol for provable communication between consensus computers of relevance. Cyber is based around a simple idea of content-defined knowledge graphs, generated by web3-masters (users) via the use of cyberlinks. Cyberlinks are a simple, yet a powerful semantic construction for building a predictive model of the universe. They are simply a connection of two IPFS hashes, enriched semantically and backed by a user’s token weight.

How do we achieve the state of a distributed computer for general-purpose search. Check out the blog post
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Check out cybers dev-log for the past 2 weeks on our blog. Includes upgrades of cosmwasm and cosmos-sdk for cyber. Ongoing work on IPFS node integration into cyberpage and much more...
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Check out cybers dev-log for the past 2 weeks on our blog
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We are starting a new format of publishing. A format that will line up with our blog posts or rather visa-versa. The idea is to be able to deliver clear and understandable information on everything that we do.

Prologue: Sometimes, stories do not occur as expected. Often, they might not even have a beginning… In the depth of a faraway galaxy, the light of which is barely even seen from Earth, hope is born. Hope that one day good will overcome darkness. Scattered through the night of the Cosmos and bypassing space debris, a ray of light reaches Earth…

Please find the post containing the video material, and links to presentations, from the euler-5 launch workshop here
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We spoke about cyber and decentralised search to Monero talk during CCC in Germany. (I timestamped the video at 33.50, if it doesn't work, you can just jump there, however Gregor, the guy before me is an excellent speaker and was the second biggest Cosmos fan at the event):

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We created a small intro for the cyber.page app and what it can do.

The app allows you to search for semantically enriched IPFS content over the IPFS network with the help of cyber. Check out this guide
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Cyber has gifted 3 communities as per the commitment to do so in our White Paper.

Those are the Ethereum, Cosmos and Urbit communities.

The purpose of those gifts is to help the network gain traction in the beginning and to increase the initial participation. This will help to increase cooperation and give more participants the ability to engage in the protocol. We chose these specific communities because they are the best communities, in our opinion, to help to form the knowledge graph and to reach the masses.

As a result, Cyber will gain a massive benefit via the economic integration of the largest developers, the most innovative and of the most promising communities withing the open-source space. Similary, those communities will gain traction from joining forces with Cyber - the builder of the Great Web!

The gift went to over 1 million addresses!

You can check the full FAQ here or your gift balance here
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We have decided to make a single place for all the mentions of cyber out in the wild. So if you find any mentions about cyber out there feel free to drop them at our forum.

There are also some new releases:

- cyberd 0.1.5 release. The app hash is QmaDLD95aHrMDTETvfKrF4CfjZwjHUjx9jE1ecQH8SMbts and cyberdcli ipfs hash is QmeUfqRYNghri1ExQY5gY5HT3uVRbyrjGzwtxrXHUETnGG
- cyber.page 0.1.0 release. The app hash is QmRy96Kiba4oYs5dqYGrTmvZbwMUdHh5nLQmqY1wsXwpvU
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You should check the ELI-5 FAQ to see some explanations in plain language. The FAQ is available on our GitHub. I mean for references to As to how its different. I posted a picture of comparison here, but I think it also got deleted. Unfortunately BTT keeps deleting links when I post them Sad
Interplanetary is a reference to IPFS. It means it can work anywhere as long as a signal is send and received.
Right now its infrastructure mode. But its all publically available already (requires some technical skills to set it up and use the CLI). We will be making some new application releases until the end of the year, but you should be aware that they are highly unstable (the applications) and should be used only for testing.
Final releases are not due until mid 2020. Our point of concentration is the infrastructure right now, as to decentralise this, it needs infrastructure.
(When you are on GitHub, just go to /cybercongress/ecosystems/ELI5FAQ

Oh, and yes. euler 5 is coming. The games are about to begin. I will post more info next week when the guides are ready
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What do you mean exactly by interplanetary search engine here?
Can you elaborate a lil bit in layman's terms?
What is the benefit for ordinary individual who is always using the net?
And when will your cyb be released in public? So we can see the difference of using cyb vs google.
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I heard that Euler 5 is starting soon. This is very good news.
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We have released an Explain it like I'm 5 guide to help people understand what cyber is. The full FAQ can be found on our GitHub.

What is cyber?
The explanation below is NOT going to be simple, so please do not be put off by it. All the terminology used in the first explanation WILL be explained in detail later in this document. Let me assure you, that if you keep on reading, you will be able to understand Cyber with almost zero previous knowledge.

Cyber is essentially creating a brand new protocol (a procedure that helps computers to do things in a certain way) for adding and searching information onto a knowledge graph (a compilation of facts about something that provides meaning to the user). And rank this information.

Different types of users create links between 2 IPFS hashes (keep on reading to see what this is) and place them on a knowledge graph by spending bandwidth (amount of data that can be transmitted over a fixed period of time).

That content is then dynamically ranked with the help of digital tokens and the current parameters of the networks load. This makes the rank dynamic (characterized by continuous change, activity, or progress).

All this is computed (determined with the help of a computer) by validators (a program or a computer that are responsible for checking the validity of something). The validators do so, by using their GPU's (literally - graphics cards).

This allows to search data on the web, rank it, query it (look it up) and create knowledge databases without blackbox intermediaries (third parties that try to censor data, hide or push specific results to obtain money, track your data, etc).

The interesting thing is that such a simple mechanism allows creating a lot of powerful tools as a result. We will go in-detail further down the document into those. For example: unified semantics, SEO instruments, autonomous robots, and a lot more.

What cyber is NOT?
Cyber is not a commercial product. In fact, it is not a product as such. It is an instrument if you wish, or a tool, that anyone can use. That said, cyber allows for several ways for its participants to earn rewards.

Cyber is not THE new internet. It is a tool that can help to shape and to decentralize (distribute the power of authority) the new Great Web.

What problem are you trying to solve?
We are trying to solve the problem of data centralization and data censorship. Which in other words, is decentralization of common knowledge (assuming that data is the new knowledge and that we are moving into the digital age).

Why are you doing this?
Each person should be able to control their own data, their identity, their knowledge. The universe can become a better place if our children live in a digital environment where they are in charge of their actions.

What's wrong with Google?
Google is a brilliant idea. We do not deny this. But Google is the rebel that has overthrown the dictator and became the dictator itself. Google uses you to shape the essence and the fundamentals of communications between everyone and everything. Whilst at it, Google doesn't care for anyone and will make money on your action and your behalf.

It should be noted, that by this question I am attempting not just at Google, but at all the mega-digital corporations. Feel free to check out what this can lead to in the shape of Cambridge Analityca. If this case is too much to take in or too "loud" for you, feel free to watch some episodes of Black Mirror to see how digital control can "break" society.

Why now?
Because we are almost done with post-industrialism. We are slowly and surely moving into the digital realm. One can deny or accept this. Now is the time to either have the tools that will help us to shape the matrix the way we want to shape it or give those powers away to someone to control all aspects of our lives.

Why search?
Search is a global mechanism that is globally understood by everyone, regardless of language, race, age, etc. It is somewhat a basic instinct (searching for food to survive, etc). In the digital realm with the help of search, we gain answers to our questions, which we always ask. Search helps us to build a model around any subject that is of interest to us. With the use of search, we can build databases, which can lead to a great number of useful instruments (on these later).

Aren't there other, more important problems to solve?
There probably are. But we decided to focus on this because we understand how to achieve the required result. There are probably more problems and questions to be solved (like hunger, wars, ecology, etc). Our tool can help to play a role in solving if not all, but some of these.

Aren't there other things out there that solve this?
There is a lot of awesome, open-source technology on the market that can commit to making a change in the world. Most of the technology we use is not something we invented (although the code itself is written from scratch!). They are technologies that have existed previously and are awesome at doing what they do. Our software is a combination of existing technologies, protocols and our own work that has arisen from this. It is specifically targeted at fixing what is broken.
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I decided to add a high-level explanation to what it is we do in the form of a blog post:

The dawn of the great web
** Warning, what you about to read may affect your future…*

Original protocols of the Internet, such as: TCP/IP, DNS, URL, and HTTP/S have brought the web to a stale point. Considering all the benefits that these protocols have produced for the initial development of the web; along with them, they have brought significant obstacles to the table.

Introducing cyber: An inter-planetary search engine & a state of the art consensus computer, built with the help of go-IPFS and cosmos-SDK. Cyber introduces a protocol for provable communication between consensus computers of relevance. Based on a simple idea of content defined knowledge graphs generated by web3-agents via the use of cyberlinks - a simple, yet a powerful semantic construction for building a predictive model of the universe.

Our values
I could theoretically go straight to the point (and if you are eager to know more, simply skip to the next section), but I think it is vital to state that values are what keeps the world spinning around (or rather what keeps it from spinning around the wrong way).

We do not believe in captchas. We do not believe in KYC. We do not believe in licensing and any other similar to the above-mentioned bullshit. We do believe in code. We believe in innovation and in making use of our knowledge to make the world a slightly better place for our children.

With that in mind, what I'm trying to say, is that cyber and cyb are not just technological results. They are much more. At its base lay the values of the team behind cyber. We hope that our project can re-create certain values of what we believe the blockchain paradigm stands for. With that said, we are open to communication and will be happy for any feedback on our code, on our Github and our telegram channel.

The solution
I must say that there is no simple way to describe cyber without the use of technical jargon. Hence, below I may have substituted some technical words to draw out analogies. For more information, please visit our Github and see our launch FAQ for more information.

To keep this somewhat short, I will not go into any details in this article, as per why, there are issues (technologically and ideologically) with the current web and how it infects us, similar to a virus in every aspect of our lives.

The web needs a change. blackbox intermediaries, such as: Google, Amazon or Facebook became religions. Information is tampered with. Cyber uses the already available brand-new web-stack to deliver the Great Web to everyone who wishes to join it. A true web-3 technology. The first of its kind. Allowing for a fair and an incentivized general-purpose search of real and relevant answers.

Within the network, web3-agents generate knowledge graphs with the use of what we call cyberlinks. A cyberlink is simply a link between two content-based links. This allows for a naturally semantic link, which is needed for the computation of relevance of subjects and objects within the knowledge graph.

IPFS provides significant benefits with regards to resource consumption. Cyber links and IPFS provide us with the superpowers that were inaccessible to previous architectures of general-purpose search engines.

We must agree on the things we do, and here is where cyber introduces a consensus computer, its implementation is a 64-bit Tendermint consensus computer of relevance for 64-byte string-space. The computer process the links, along with computation, storage and the bandwidth. Computation and storage in case of a basic relevance machine can be easily predicted based on bandwidth; but bandwidth requires a limiting mechanism.

The relevance machine
The relevance machine is in some way a mirror of the will of the universe that surrounds us. It enables a simple construction for the search mechanism via querying and delivering answers, based on the will of the agents building the knowledge graph.

Instead of deducting the meaning inside of the consensus computer (and returning to the blackbox principle), we have designed a system in which extraction of meaning is incentivized. This is achieved due to agents needing CYB tokens to express their will, based on which, the relevance machine can compute rank.

With the help of Resource Credits (RC) and an agents stake, we build a very simple bandwidth model. The principal goal of this model is to reduce the daily network growth to a given constant. This is done to accommodate validators with the ability to forecast any future investment into infrastructure. RC and recovery windows allow the network to determine bandwidth and its load.

The relevance machine works just like the human mind in that it neither - stores the past, nor the current full state, to maintain usefulness. Or more precisely, it remains: relevant. Always. As a result, the cybernomics of CYB tokens, serves not just as will-expression and spam-protection mechanisms. It also functions as an economics regulation tool that can align validators processing the knowledge graph, and as demand for market processing.

cyber~Rank
IPFS hashes (or content identifiers or CIDs) are vital for the network. CIDs as primary objects are robust in their simplicity. For every CID, cyber ~Rank is computed by a consensus computer without a single point of failure. cyber ~Rank is a CYB (token) weighted PageRank, with economic protection from sybil attacks, and self-centred voting. Every round the Merkle root of the rank tree is published. Consequently, every computer can prove to any other computer a relevance of value for a given CID. The rank is calculated by using the outgoing and the incoming weight of the current state of the staked tokens in the system, that are used to form the CIDs, and the current and previous ranks in the system.

Ironically, the ranking mechanism is based on none other but the PageRank – yes, that was developed by Sergey Brin and Larry Page. The key problem with the original PageRank is that it wasn’t resistant to sybil attacks. However, a token-weighted PageRank is limited by a token-weighted bandwidth model, and does not inherit such problems as the native PageRank. It is resistant to sybil-attacks. The beauty behind the ranking mechanism is that it only accounts for the current intention of the agents and it encourages rank inflation of cyberlinks. At first, this might seem a bit unclear. But, it is vital for the system not to be interfered with (ensured by the agents stake against a CID) and is essential in order not to get cemented in the past. As new cyberlinks are continuously added, they dilute the rank of the already existing links proportionally. This means that this is a constantly self-evolving, mind-like mechanism.

Web-3 and DAO
We couldn't find a real web-3 browser (not a web2 based pseudo-tech), so we implemented our own. Cyb can be easily delivered from any P2P network. It allows embedding objects into snippets, which means that a web3-agent can interact with the search results directly… For example, you could buy items directly in cyb, and thanks to a transparent conversion, e-commerce can flourish and in turn - develop local markets. More so, those snippets can be interactive, meaning you could play a game, view a wallet balance, etc - directly from your browser.

Some of the donated funds to cyber will be run by an Aragon DAO. cyber doesn't just have a community-run fund, but also a DAO-managed blockchain, which functions under the Tendermint consensus algorithm with a standard governance module. Together allowing for a community-run governance mechanism for the fund and for the chain itself.

The unimaginable future
The future is unimaginable, but it has a shape. At its base lay information. The alchemy of today is being able to process that information.

Our proposed semantics of linking data offers a robust mechanism for predicting meaningful relations between objects by the consensus computer itself. The source-code of the relevance machine is open-source. Every bit of data accumulated by the consensus computer is available to anyone if one has the resources to process it.

Though the system presents the necessary utility to allow an alternative for a conventional search engine, it is not limited just to this use case. The system is extendable for numerous applications and makes it possible (for example) to design economically rational, self-owned robots, that can autonomously understand objects around them. It is also possible to construct cyberlinks with ’proof-of-location’ based on remarkable existing protocols such as Foam, hence creating a provable location linked object.

cyber allows for programmable semantics. Currently, the developers of successful apps have very limited ability to explain to Google how to structure search results in a better manner. The cyber approach gives this power back to developers. Developers are now able to target specific semantics cores and index their apps as they wish.

cyber allows for off-line search! IPFS makes it possible to easily retrieve a document from such an environment without a global internet connection. cyberd itself can be distributed by using IPFS. This creates the possibility for ubiquitous, off-line search!

Don’t believe, don’t fear, don’t ask – cyber...
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We have made a release of our White Paper. For now, it can be found here.
Would love to hear any feedback on the document itself.
The Wp contains the current vision of the protocol, main functions, formulas for rank calculation and the main description of the protocol.
It also contains some ideological background and an apps section. Those are the possible apps that we think can be implemented in the future with the help of the protocol. 
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maxcapibarius,
I do not wish to engage in this discussion (I just simply do not agree with you), but I have kept the thread open (not self-moderated, as I highly value transparency) so it is up to you to decide on whatever you want to say.

I like how Cyberd "highly values transparency" only in situations where it does not have admin rights to censor everything.

Deleting everything from from official TG channel which was not to liking of Starodubcev should probably be also taken as marker as to how highly transparency is valued within CYBERD.

It also seems that lack of willingness to engage in any discussion should also be taken as indication to promote healthy dialogue within community.

I just cannot see any reason at all, why investors and users should steer clear of this stuff or have any concerns at all.
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maxcapibarius,

1) By nemby - I was referring to your status on BTT, I do not see how this is an issue. It says it directly under your name. If that offended you, my apologies
2) No, I did not know who you were until now. And even now, it took me a while to find out this information.
3) I will keep this answer short, as I do not see it any other way:
The project is in testnet, it says all over the place (github, readmes, etc) thats this is a non custodial solution that should be used at your own risk.
I didn't make that decision, but I believe it was the right decision that was made by the team at the time.
Things may still change. Even now. Anyone who uses this soft must understand that it can be insecure, buggy and prawn to changes until a functioning release is made. Then the community may take that release and work with it as it wishes.

To my personal belief this is the thing with open-source tech mate. The final beaty if this is very simple IMO. If you do not agree with something - you fork it out, change what you believe wasn't right and do it your way. The open market will put things in place.

I do not wish to engage in this discussion (I just simply do not agree with you), but I have kept the thread open (not self-moderated, as I highly value transparency) so it is up to you to decide on whatever you want to say.

As you can see though, you are the only community member that has this opinion 

 

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maxcapibarius, This project is in the testnet, so I think this is a good time to fix bugs and other errors.

https://github.com/cybercongress/cyberd
I think the guys made the right decision. The network had bugs and the accumulation of rewards was not the goal of this testnet. The current distribution looks very successful. You can check it out.
https://github.com/cybercongress/launch-kit/tree/0.1.0/lifetime_rewards_tool
I think that early validators did not receive too much. But this is not as wrong as you might think.
You should also know that the project is self-financing. The guys spend their strength, knowledge and money to create a project. It is good that they give us the opportunity to join in at an early stage.
The project should develop along the path that will be optimal and will bring more benefits to the project.
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Dear All present and future potential stakeholders* of CYBERD project.

(*hereinafter I refer to stakeholders not to people who are merely holding holding stake, but rather all participants of the platform including investors, validators, users etc, in other words how word stakeholder is used in general business sense).

I decided to letter this letter because of unethical and scam-like behavior of CYBERD team which is very alarming to me. I would like to strictly stick to the facts here, be as objective as possible and also ask for opinions of community members, in other words everyone but not the team involved in the project.

By this point I’ve already had a very lengthy and in-depth conversation with project team leader and so far my logical arguments were not countered by anything else rather than “this is bullshit” and “you don’t understand anything”.

Here are the facts:
1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMVJpjnOQqk&list=PL-MRS5fkWajCmfAS1WxBVgtMdFPmS4WTZ&index=3 January 26 2019 Dmitriy Starodubcev made presentation covering CYBERD platform. You can see whole presentation within link attached.

2) During presentation it was made very clear that all rewards created due to validation in testing phase will be transferred to mainnet – according to the following schedule.


3) It is not entirely clear what this table says, but if you listen carefully to Dima’s speech and look at this graph long enough you’ll see that for example in first testnet you get +100% inflation, however only 1% of allocation (presumably of annual inflation, not sure what allocation means in context) – in other words as test-net validators everyone cheered on the idea that you can keep your validated tokens to main net.

3) I was very keen on idea of this platform and made effort to become the very first external validator (not belonging to the team) who joined the testnet and had perfect opportunity to observe dynamics from the very start.

4) As first rewards started to accumulate on my account I compared them to what Dima proudly presented in general chat. His figure was around 99,531,510,691,819 CYB for several weeks, I had comparable “magnitude” of numbers so I felt that everything was going alright

5) By mid of July I accumulated roughly 829,887,601,504,433CYB. You have to keep in mind number of validators was increasing, hence each individual reward was decreasing, additionally I would imagine that Dima originally had a very big stake staked, meaning that his reward was quite big.

6) This is where things start to get TRICKY: Dima communicated that there was a bug in the system and all rewards must be divided by 100 – which clearly caused some confusion, so I took my time to carefully investigate the matter, this is what I inferred:
a) As external stakeholder of the platform one can only interpret statement made in Minksk in January 2018 as offer to participate as validator on those particular terms
b) Any external stakeholder does not and cannot by definition have any control over parametres of the protocol.
c) Therefore any stakeholder who choose to participate as validator can only observe OUTGOING parameters as given by the designers of the protocol INCLUDING amount of rewards received by any validator.
d) One cannot reasonable assume that team of people who undertook such a complicated endeavor as launching next generation protocol do not possess enough skill, so as not to build in mathematics of distribution which was laid out in original presentation in Minsk.
e) Team members specifically advised to claim rewards EVERY DAY because network can go down (being a test network) any minute. I cannot be sure what happened with other validators, but as for myself I did as instructed and claimed rewards everyday, so I could see the daily generating.
f) Presently it is impossible post-factum to establish whether any parameters were changed on the go, in it is impossible to validate anything BUT the TX on chain, which can only be the only feasible metrics.

7) CYBERD said that everything was bugged, all calculation were incorrect, initial offer made during Minsk presentation is not valid, in fact nothing is valid, but what is forced to you which is this:
3Terra CYB = which is 3,000,000,000,000,
Whereas only on my validation alone in mid July 2019 I had approximately 830TCYB.
830   3 = more than 1000x discount.
CONCLUSIONS:
-   I cannot know if other validators had comparable results, however almost 100% of time all stakes were equals, implying that everyone should be getting equal rewards. Hence I would imagine that all other validators got similar magnitude of discount
-   This situation raises great deal of concern for current and future investors as whether their capital will be dealt with in a fair fashion
-   I urge all stakeholder of the platform excluding the team members in order to avoid bias to voice their opinion on the matter, and whether they were treated fairly, when they rewards were arbitrarily heavily discounted
-   Another alarming opinion which I got from Dima, is that they are validators themselves and should also be rewarded for validation. However in my view team’s reward has already been declared as fixed percentage. CYBERD team are insiders to themselves and are in advantage to the rest of the stakeholders, hence all rewards created by validation due to testing by the team itself should be included in the in fixed percentage already allocated as team rewards, otherwise it cause unfair dilution of valuation of current and future stakeholders of the platform.
-   Additionally if you feel that my line of arguments were incorrect I would be happy to follow your logic and if you can prove me wrong would happily admit it, I’m strictly man of reason – logic must stand above all.
-   MOST IMPORTANTLY – its been long established that CODE IS THE LAW. On one hand we’ve all seen DAO, on the other hand it wasn’t for immutability of Bitcoin, we would never see such incredible rise of blockchain assets.

So, I call on to everyone in the community to express the opinion on the matter, as it’s a dangerous precedent, if parameters can be changed at will, then this cannot be called true permissionless protocol.
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well, first of all I'm not a newbie, you are perfectly aware of who I am, secondly what you call a bug, I call scam.

Starodubcev claimed that there was OPEN discussion with regard to the distribution and further development of the protocol etc, however in reality, all opinions which were not aligned with opinion of Starodubcev were censored.

TG channel was cleared of all messages, and no discussion took places - everything was simply deleted.

In my next message I will post open letter, which was originally posted in TG channel and which was subsequently deleted, along with any connected replies.

To that effect, I think it is impossible to call CYBERD free, next generation censorship protocol, given the simply TG discussion is not possible.

I've spoken with a number of people who were financially and work related to the project at some point, and who were kicked out / scammed in a similar fashion, just because their opinion was different from Starodubcev. Since those were private conversations, I'm not at liberty to disclose any information regarding those situations.

However if those who were similarly excluded from genesis / in other words those people from whom Starodubcev stole money would like to step in and join the discussion, please do.

I strongly feel that blockchain assets markets are polluted enough already, to have another dodgy project on our hands.

And yes I have comprehensive proof of my involvement in the project. I was test validator from one of the very early days, still have all the keys, hard drives and blockchain itself. I can easily proof of ownership of tokens if it comes to that.

But you be the judge - the next post describes everything in great details. I specifically wanted to be as objective as possible, and get the situation correctly, so all the details are in place.
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it kinda sux that the rewards have been private members only till now - I think you missed the point, its not that reward were restricted to private members only, it was all indeed public, and promise was made that everything validated on test-net will be moved to mainnet, except at some point "executive decision was made" not to do that, and all those who disagreed were kicked out from community.


This project is in the testnet. Therefore, the rules may change. I think you know very well that Euler-4 had a bug. You called the project a fraud and the community decided to remove you from the chat for insults.
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BTT keeps deleting all my messages. And Im not sure as to why this is happening (
Those include network updates, news and answers to the participants of the thread. Hoping this will go thorough!

In reply to the newby above. I am not sure what you are talking about. All of the rewards are public. Please use the launch-kit repo to validate your validations, provide a hash and get your rewards  Shocked

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just one question , where are my tokens which you owe me for test validation?



ooo this is pretty cool, <3 me some Tendermint, i think its one of the more interesting validation methods being developed right now
i need to get me some more info on this one, still in testnet i see? so not too late for us plebs to maybe become validators?
Very exciting to see this here finally, as i have heard about it here and there in the Cryptosphere over the last year or so Smiley

It's not too late to become a validator. But you need to wait a bit. A new test network will begin soon, and you can become a validator. The current testnet no longer rewards validators. After 7,000,000 blocks, a snapshot was made and the rewards that the validators will receive after Genesis are counted. Euler-4 (old testnet) validators rewards is 2.7 TCYB.
What is the difference between using cyber and google in the browser search bar? You said the idea is amazing but is there really advantage of using cyb? Have you tested its usability?
I think that at the moment it is difficult to compare Cyber and Google. Cyber is a Web3 type search engine and uses IPFS. Cyber is at an early stage of development. Developers and the community will have to create a good knowledge graph and a search engine for it.


it kinda sux that the rewards have been private members only till now, gonna be like VBK and when this goes mainnet there will be millions of coins from testnet carried over? : /
kinda feels like "ok we got our bags full, now time to go public" Sad   ill still probably participate as a validator, but i definitally suggest others beware speculating when this hits exchanges haha
i know i will be Tongue  learnt that lesson b4 on these type distros lol.  its not bad when its public, but ya when private groups stack in private THEN go public after thats kinda sketchy to me : /




it kinda sux that the rewards have been private members only till now - I think you missed the point, its not that reward were restricted to private members only, it was all indeed public, and promise was made that everything validated on test-net will be moved to mainnet, except at some point "executive decision was made" not to do that, and all those who disagreed were kicked out from community.

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Upon seeing this, it will become interested for me, I would like to be part of this project when it will start, the propose platform is innovative and creative that's what we want to see that much far from this present blockchain innovation.

Hey. Thanks for your feedback.
I would like to point out that the project has actually started. You can already join the dev net as a validator in order to see how it functions. Validators that validate blocks during the test nets are entitled to receive part of the inflation as a reward. Also you will be able to participate in the game of links, cyber Auction and much more. Im in the midst of preparing a FAQ as to whats all this is simple terms. Hopefully I can publish it by beginning of next week. For now, all that info is available through out our GitHub.

Will be glad to answer questions if you have any
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Join our dev meeting (in a bit) on our tg channel if you're interested (will share the latest updates on the dev net launch):

https://twitter.com/cyber_devs/status/1197127548423020544?s=19



Upon seeing this, it will become interested for me, I would like to be part of this project when it will start, the propose platform is innovative and creative that's what we want to see that much far from this present blockchain innovation.
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Just a short update from our dev meeting:

Forwarded from our TG channel
Good news!

We have successfully tested the needed cases using the internal devnet and are ready to launch the community devnet - Euler-5 the coming week. Last week @savetheales released part of the launch-kit for calculating and validating Euler-4 rewards. 5 validators have already mentioned their success in calculating the hashes. We are calling all others to also do so!

Right now we have successfully built by using the upgraded launch-kit genesis file for the devnet, which includes the calculations for the Ethereum and Cosmos gifts.

The community devnet will launch along with Euler-4 rewards, Ethereum and Cosmos gifts. There will be a lot of work with governance for adjusting rank and bandwidth params; load testing.

Two days ago, the Cosmos team released a branch for IBC testing where we are actively contributing to the testing. We made cross-chain transfers using two independent chains, and I can say that everything works fine in general. A huge step for the Cosmos community and all of us!

In regards to this, I have decided to launch the Gaia devnet with IBC support from cyber~Congress. The reason behind it was to start preparing our community to work with IBC on our IBC hub, and contributing to the testing of IBC v1.0, which will be released along with Cosmos-SDK 0.38 (also maybe with onchain upgrades!).

We are actively following this



Join our dev meeting (in a bit) on our tg channel if you're interested (will share the latest updates on the dev net launch):

https://twitter.com/cyber_devs/status/1197127548423020544?s=19

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Euler-4 validators rewards distribution looks good


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Per each validator
More dark color represents the part of rewards won for more last blocks
Downward displayed rewards changing if coefficcient  𝐵𝐾  increasing
Conclusion
If  𝑟𝑒𝑤𝑎𝑟𝑑=𝐾∗ℎ𝑒𝑖𝑔ℎ𝑡+𝐵  and increasing  𝐵𝐾
new validators get less;
old validators get more.
Rewards depends on  𝐵𝐾 , not separate  𝐵  и  𝐾
https://github.com/cybercongress/launch-kit/tree/master/lifetime_rewards_tool
Visualisation of validators work


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it kinda sux that the rewards have been private members only till now


It is not correct. The project has been announced at cyberc0n almost 1 year ago (please keep in mind that the distribution from this presentation has been significantly changed based on the community feedback). Access to validator set was available for everybody since euler-1, every bit of decision has been discussed in #fuckgoogle at telegram. Those who participated last year in euler-4 have rewards in the form of 0.27% of Genesis for supporting the network which is not significant but really important for guys who invested into bootstrap.

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github public

IMHO to be "github public" has more grassroots than "bitcointalk public". To be honest I did not want to post on the bitcointalk because I saw how bloated and scamy it become. So I wanted to attract real engineers first. Sorry for that.
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Our values:

We do not believe in captchas. We do not believe in KYC. We do not believe in licensing and any other similar to the above-mentioned bullshit. We do believe in code. We believe in innovation and in making use of our knowledge to make the world a slightly better place for our children.

This is one of the statement that caught my attention, Simply and Intact! Absolutely, INNOVATION is what we need today, blockchain are already invented all we need is to focus on INNOVATION.

Glad you noticed this! I'll be honest with you, after spending 7 years in the space roughly and meeting in-person guys from top projects (I shall not name those here). I am a bit disappointed that most of them don't have any core values. This can be expressed in terms of "taxation" or in terms of not understanding why blockchain matters (regardless of its monetary values) to humans =(

My last visit to Baltic Honey Badger in Riga (which was an amazing event overall, filled with great people) just proved it. A few of the speakers I spoke to, didn't care about anything but either publicity or money. It's ashame really.

I'm glad too that someone in the blockchain and crypto industry saw the vision, yeah I really agree with your statement, if we have the technology (Blockchain) why some of the project needs KYC etc etc. What if, if they begin to start to look what technology inside the blockchain that we don't need KYC or other things and take advantage with it.

Exactly...

The whole KYC / AML story with blockchain pretty much like the story with centrasingly running your nodes. And I guess I'm doing the undoable here by advertising a side project - but Urbit solves this. Check it out. In fact we believe in Urbit so much we decided to give 1% of the total supply to them, just because. period.

Back to Cyber - we are utterly discouraged by the modern practises of centralizing crypto assets. And want to do whatever we can to prevent this. Hence no KYC, no AML. No bullshit.

I guess Cyber also gives you the power back with your most meaningful - ideas and thoughts. In the terms that you can finally compute your own knowledge and your own thoughts (without any intermediaries). After all the biggest religion of today is, of course - Google. But that's not ok. We believe this should be changed.
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Our values:

We do not believe in captchas. We do not believe in KYC. We do not believe in licensing and any other similar to the above-mentioned bullshit. We do believe in code. We believe in innovation and in making use of our knowledge to make the world a slightly better place for our children.

This is one of the statement that caught my attention, Simply and Intact! Absolutely, INNOVATION is what we need today, blockchain are already invented all we need is to focus on INNOVATION.

Glad you noticed this! I'll be honest with you, after spending 7 years in the space roughly and meeting in-person guys from top projects (I shall not name those here). I am a bit disappointed that most of them don't have any core values. This can be expressed in terms of "taxation" or in terms of not understanding why blockchain matters (regardless of its monetary values) to humans =(

My last visit to Baltic Honey Badger in Riga (which was an amazing event overall, filled with great people) just proved it. A few of the speakers I spoke to, didn't care about anything but either publicity or money. It's ashame really.

I'm glad too that someone in the blockchain and crypto industry saw the vision, yeah I really agree with your statement, if we have the technology (Blockchain) why some of the project needs KYC etc etc. What if, if they begin to start to look what technology inside the blockchain that we don't need KYC or other things and take advantage with it.
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I have checked also how to become a validator and seems that it is not too complicated.

@dev, I'm compiling your main.tex file but it is giving me error in line 45.



I even tried xelatex and lualatex, but to no avail.
I'm using TexShop Version 4.44 (4.44)
Can you share the final output instead? Want to see what you have here. Thanks.

Fixed this now. Please use Xelatex. But please bare in mind that the fix is in a pull request (mind you, it has the latest grammatical fixes too. so I'd use it, rather than what's in the master).

I guess for now, it's best to just pull it from my fix. Thanks for understanding!



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Our values:

We do not believe in captchas. We do not believe in KYC. We do not believe in licensing and any other similar to the above-mentioned bullshit. We do believe in code. We believe in innovation and in making use of our knowledge to make the world a slightly better place for our children.

This is one of the statement that caught my attention, Simply and Intact! Absolutely, INNOVATION is what we need today, blockchain are already invented all we need is to focus on INNOVATION.

Glad you noticed this! I'll be honest with you, after spending 7 years in the space roughly and meeting in-person guys from top projects (I shall not name those here). I am a bit disappointed that most of them don't have any core values. This can be expressed in terms of "taxation" or in terms of not understanding why blockchain matters (regardless of its monetary values) to humans =(

My last visit to Baltic Honey Badger in Riga (which was an amazing event overall, filled with great people) just proved it. A few of the speakers I spoke to, didn't care about anything but either publicity or money. It's ashame really.
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Our values:

We do not believe in captchas. We do not believe in KYC. We do not believe in licensing and any other similar to the above-mentioned bullshit. We do believe in code. We believe in innovation and in making use of our knowledge to make the world a slightly better place for our children.

This is one of the statement that caught my attention, Simply and Intact! Absolutely, INNOVATION is what we need today, blockchain are already invented all we need is to focus on INNOVATION.
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where can see more info about core team and devs?

Our GitHub page contains a team folder with links to our profiles that we believe should be public. A lot of information on our website with youtube video links.
You are also welcome to join our devchat. We are all there
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i guess when i say "public"  i mean started a thread on a FORUM, not traveled to local events (theres 1000's yearly worldwide they are impossible to sift thru)
im sure you guys hung out on twitter where noone can have any real conversations and people censor/block anything they dont wanna hear, but that holds no value to some (believe it or not)
i just wish this woulda been announced here months ago when it started is all i'm saying, a.k.a "public" as in grassroots public, not crypto twitter/github public Sad
you have private angels i get it, they need fresh krill, but it wont be me sorry.     This is only imo of course, im sure the institutional dudes will love it haha
I look forward to seeing this evolve! Good Luck  Smiley

Thanks for your feedback again!

Not sure what you mean by institutional dudes - sorry (((

The projects has been funded out of our own pockets, for a while. We don't have private angels that need a "fresh kill". 

We don't do KYC / CAPTCHAS / Email registrations / AML / and all that other bingo bullshit - we really couldn't care less for any of this. We don't simply state what we do - we act on that behalf.

It is announced now, because I believe that announcing "dead" projects (without code / working testnets / documentation, etc) is somewhere along the lines of asking people to buy FIAT stocks. No, thanks.

Misleading people into buying something that is idea based - no thanks. We have been long enough in the space to not do those mistakes.

Early validators got a drop in the ocean out of the total supply and they deserved much more IMO. I don't believe that asking people to do free work is a fair game. Sorry.

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it kinda sux that the rewards have been private members only till now, gonna be like VBK and when this goes mainnet there will be millions of coins from testnet carried over? : /
kinda feels like "ok we got our bags full, now time to go public" Sad   ill still probably participate as a validator, but i definitally suggest others beware speculating when this hits exchanges haha
i know i will be Tongue  learnt that lesson b4 on these type distros lol.  its not bad when its public, but ya when private groups stack in private THEN go public after thats kinda sketchy to me : /




We haven't been private at all. We have been public since day one. Talking about the project at conferences, and some chats. Of course, you have to understand that the project is self funded at this moment and resources aren't as big as we would like them to be (((

So, yeah, I guess we are trying as best as we can to tell the world about this. And hoping people like you can help us in that mission =)

BTW, there has only been 1 incentivized testnet so far, this means that there are still a lot (and I mean A LOT, for example the distribution games plus our 10% gift of the total supply) more to come. Also please consider what was already mentioned above by Gangster-Hamster - testnet validator aren't getting the largest orf rewards in the world (then again we cannot employ them for free).

So I believe that now is the right chance to jump in ;-)

i guess when i say "public"  i mean started a thread on a FORUM, not traveled to local events (theres 1000's yearly worldwide they are impossible to sift thru)
im sure you guys hung out on twitter where noone can have any real conversations and people censor/block anything they dont wanna hear, but that holds no value to some (believe it or not)
i just wish this woulda been announced here months ago when it started is all i'm saying, a.k.a "public" as in grassroots public, not crypto twitter/github public Sad
you have private angels i get it, they need fresh krill, but it wont be me sorry.     This is only imo of course, im sure the institutional dudes will love it haha
I look forward to seeing this evolve! Good Luck  Smiley
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it kinda sux that the rewards have been private members only till now, gonna be like VBK and when this goes mainnet there will be millions of coins from testnet carried over? : /
kinda feels like "ok we got our bags full, now time to go public" Sad   ill still probably participate as a validator, but i definitally suggest others beware speculating when this hits exchanges haha
i know i will be Tongue  learnt that lesson b4 on these type distros lol.  its not bad when its public, but ya when private groups stack in private THEN go public after thats kinda sketchy to me : /




We haven't been private at all. We have been public since day one. Talking about the project at conferences, and some chats. Of course, you have to understand that the project is self funded at this moment and resources aren't as big as we would like them to be (((

So, yeah, I guess we are trying as best as we can to tell the world about this. And hoping people like you can help us in that mission =)

BTW, there has only been 1 incentivized testnet so far, this means that there are still a lot (and I mean A LOT, for example the distribution games plus our 10% gift of the total supply) more to come. Also please consider what was already mentioned above by Gangster-Hamster - testnet validator aren't getting the largest orf rewards in the world (then again we cannot employ them for free).

So I believe that now is the right chance to jump in ;-)




Ah okay, got your point here. Didn't know that it is still unfinished business.
But anyway, yes, I can read what is the content of the document and use the overleaf instead.
I just thought when I was compiling that I can view it in pdf afterwards.
No worries then. Better make the document ready for everyone's consumption. Thanks!

You are more than welcome to leave any comments that you would like about the paper (the content I mean), it would be highly appreciated and valued!

If you do have any, you are welcome to open an issue in this repo . It is peer reviewed after all  Roll Eyes
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@dev, I'm compiling your main.tex file but it is giving me error in line 45.



I even tried xelatex and lualatex, but to no avail.
I'm using TexShop Version 4.44 (4.44)
Can you share the final output instead? Want to see what you have here. Thanks.

Thanks for pointing this out! I must have missed a line somewhere during one of the latest commits. Will debug this.

There is a good reason we aren't sharing the paper in a .pdf - it is still a work in process and we are still changing some parameters, which can be vital to the economy (for example even now, there is a pull request in the repo with fixes, so the main.tex in the /cyber repo is already slightly outdated).

We don't want to mislead people. So that's the reasons why we are still having people compiling it manually. To avoid any confusion. Although, it is over 90% done I presume.

Once again, sorry for this. Will look into what's broken

PS. If you really eager, you can always use the "rich text" version in overleaf. I know its a pain in the ar... thanks for understanding  Smiley


Ah okay, got your point here. Didn't know that it is still unfinished business.
But anyway, yes, I can read what is the content of the document and use the overleaf instead.
I just thought when I was compiling that I can view it in pdf afterwards.
No worries then. Better make the document ready for everyone's consumption. Thanks!
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it kinda sux that the rewards have been private members only till now, gonna be like VBK and when this goes mainnet there will be millions of coins from testnet carried over? : /
kinda feels like "ok we got our bags full, now time to go public" Sad   ill still probably participate as a validator, but i definitally suggest others beware speculating when this hits exchanges haha
i know i will be Tongue  learnt that lesson b4 on these type distros lol.  its not bad when its public, but ya when private groups stack in private THEN go public after thats kinda sketchy to me : /



Our group of validators is not private. At this stage, anyone can become a validator. Previously, I was not familiar with the project team and heard about Cyber at the Cybercon conference. After that, I decided to become a validator and in April of this year I launched my node.
I do not think that the reward of early validators is too large. You still have a good opportunity to participate in this project.
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ooo this is pretty cool, <3 me some Tendermint, i think its one of the more interesting validation methods being developed right now
i need to get me some more info on this one, still in testnet i see? so not too late for us plebs to maybe become validators?
Very exciting to see this here finally, as i have heard about it here and there in the Cryptosphere over the last year or so Smiley

It's not too late to become a validator. But you need to wait a bit. A new test network will begin soon, and you can become a validator. The current testnet no longer rewards validators. After 7,000,000 blocks, a snapshot was made and the rewards that the validators will receive after Genesis are counted. Euler-4 (old testnet) validators rewards is 2.7 TCYB.
What is the difference between using cyber and google in the browser search bar? You said the idea is amazing but is there really advantage of using cyb? Have you tested its usability?
I think that at the moment it is difficult to compare Cyber and Google. Cyber is a Web3 type search engine and uses IPFS. Cyber is at an early stage of development. Developers and the community will have to create a good knowledge graph and a search engine for it.


it kinda sux that the rewards have been private members only till now, gonna be like VBK and when this goes mainnet there will be millions of coins from testnet carried over? : /
kinda feels like "ok we got our bags full, now time to go public" Sad   ill still probably participate as a validator, but i definitally suggest others beware speculating when this hits exchanges haha
i know i will be Tongue  learnt that lesson b4 on these type distros lol.  its not bad when its public, but ya when private groups stack in private THEN go public after thats kinda sketchy to me : /


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Oh my I got to peruse some web to find me some more relevant infos on this one. This does look super appealing but Im doubtful a lone guy or a couple guys behind this announcement have the capacity and resources to their disposal to pull this out. I think Im also gonna hook up to become a validator. Tendermint + cyber = google killer hell ya. We will see if this gets more attention in the coming months.
We are not as few as it might seem. We have 20 active validators, and several more people are waiting for a new test network to launch validators. I believe that in the new testnet, the number of validators will grow at least twice.
If you need more information about the project development process, you can join this telegram channel
This channel has reviews of some past developer meetings. They take place every Wednesday at 2:00 p.m. GMT in this chat
You can find two previous developer meetings here : 1, 2 
P.S. I am not a  team member and my words should not be taken as official. I am just a validator and a community member.

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Oh my I got to peruse some web to find me some more relevant infos on this one. This does look super appealing but Im doubtful a lone guy or a couple guys behind this announcement have the capacity and resources to their disposal to pull this out. I think Im also gonna hook up to become a validator. Tendermint + cyber = google killer hell ya. We will see if this gets more attention in the coming months.

I'm glad you bring the matter of being able to pull it off. 

Some of what we talk about is already functioning. Or shall I say "The beast is working" =)

I agree with you that what we plan is pretty much impossible to pull off for a single being /entity. Hence, we believe in the power open-source. This is why we need validators, a strong community of engineers and researchers. This is why we believe that funding issues on gitcoin can help us to attract the right people that can help us to build this.  This is why we drop the communities we drop and plan a hell of a lot more to come. We believe in collaboration. Strongly.

We honestly believe that what we are trying to buidl, by all means, should be a community effort rather than our own. This is why it's all open-source. This is why we are happy for people to come and fork us or build together with us  Wink
BTW, we hope that people will fork this and/or build their own implementations on top of cyber. For example specifically purposed knowledge graphs, rather than a general knowledge graph alone.

Will be awesome seeing you as a validator when the next testnet starts. I'm really excited that people find this idea (and its current implementation) as exciting as we do.

If I may add more thing - please check out our GitHub. I am positive you will be pleasantly surprised as to how far this already is.

#fuckgoogletogether =)   
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Oh my I got to peruse some web to find me some more relevant infos on this one. This does look super appealing but Im doubtful a lone guy or a couple guys behind this announcement have the capacity and resources to their disposal to pull this out. I think Im also gonna hook up to become a validator. Tendermint + cyber = google killer hell ya. We will see if this gets more attention in the coming months.
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ooo this is pretty cool, <3 me some Tendermint, i think its one of the more interesting validation methods being developed right now
i need to get me some more info on this one, still in testnet i see? so not too late for us plebs to maybe become validators?
Very exciting to see this here finally, as i have heard about it here and there in the Cryptosphere over the last year or so Smiley


Its the right time to become a validator right now. Well. We are in between euler-4 and euler-5 (two testnets). They are both incentivised, meaning that if you decide to run a validator during the comin testnet, you will receive part of the inflation when the testnet will launch. We also have some distribution games planned for the validators very soon.

We are preparing a launch-kit repo, which will explain all those things within 1 - 2 weeks. So I advise to follow our TG channel. I will also try po post updates here of course!

BTW, I advise you to check out how big validating on tendermint (and beyond) has become over the last year. Not only a lot of the projects are alive, developing and constantly releasing, but a lot are actually doing very useful things for the industry in terms of R&D =)




@dev, I'm compiling your main.tex file but it is giving me error in line 45.



I even tried xelatex and lualatex, but to no avail.
I'm using TexShop Version 4.44 (4.44)
Can you share the final output instead? Want to see what you have here. Thanks.

Thanks for pointing this out! I must have missed a line somewhere during one of the latest commits. Will debug this.

There is a good reason we aren't sharing the paper in a .pdf - it is still a work in process and we are still changing some parameters, which can be vital to the economy (for example even now, there is a pull request in the repo with fixes, so the main.tex in the /cyber repo is already slightly outdated).

We don't want to mislead people. So that's the reasons why we are still having people compiling it manually. To avoid any confusion. Although, it is over 90% done I presume.

Once again, sorry for this. Will look into what's broken

PS. If you really eager, you can always use the "rich text" version in overleaf. I know its a pain in the ar... thanks for understanding  Smiley




What is the difference between using cyber and google in the browser search bar? You said the idea is amazing but is there really advantage of using cyb? Have you tested its usability?

Great question!

I guess this means we need to do a FAQ to point out the main differences / advantages.

Coming to think of it, we have done some already:

Some are described in this readme, please check it out.

Eh. I guess I can be less lazy and upload the pic. Here we go:



Also, we have described some the possibilities that arise whilst using cyber, in the WP (as stated above it is still a work in progress and need to be manually compiled... but while I'm at this. I guess I might as well copy this to here too):

This is going to be a long text. So bare with me!

We assume that the proposed algorithm does not guarantee high-quality knowledge by default. Just like a newborn it needs to acquire knowledge to develop further. The protocol itself provides just one simple tool: the ability to create a cyberlink with a certain weight between two content addresses.

Analysis of the semantic core, behavioural factors, anonymous data about the interests of agents, and other tools that determine the quality of search can be achieved via smart contracts and off-chain applications, such as: web3 browsers, decentralized social networks and content platforms. Therefore, it is the aim of the community and agents to build the initial knowledge graph and to maintain it, so that it can provide the most relevant search results.

Generally, we distinguish three types of applications for knowledge graphs:
- Consensus apps. Can be run at the discretion of the consensus computer by adding intelligent abilities
- On-chain apps. Can be run by the consensus computer in exchange for gas
- Off-chain apps. Can be implemented by using the knowledge graph as an input within an execution environment

The following imaginable list of apps can combine the above mentioned types:
Web3 browsers: In reality browser and search are inseparable. It is hard to imagine the emergence of a full-blown web3 browser which is based on web2 search. Currently, there are several efforts for developing browsers around blockchains and distributed tech. Among them are Beaker, \sout{Mist}, Brave, and Metamask. All of them suffer trying to embed web2 in web3. Our approach is a bit different. We consider web2 as the unsafe subset of web3. So we develop a web3 browser Cyb showcasing the cyber approach to answer questions better and deliver content faster.

Programmable semantics: Currently, the most popular keywords in the gigantic semantic core of Google, are keywords of apps such as Youtube, Facebook, GitHub, etc. However, the developers of those successful apps have very limited ability to explain to Google how to structure search results in a better manner. The cyber approach gives this power back to developers. Developers are now able to target specific semantics cores and index their apps as they wish.

Search actions: The proposed design enables native support for blockchain (and tangle-alike) assets related activity. It is trivial to design applications which are (1) owned by the creators, (2) appear correctly in the search results and (3) allow a transactable action, with (4) provable attribution of a conversion to a search query. e-Commerce has never been this easy for everyone.

Off-line search: IPFS makes it possible to easily retrieve a document from such an environment without a global internet connection. cyberd itself can be distributed by using IPFS. This creates the possibility for ubiquitous, off-line search!

Command tools: Command-line tools can rely on relevant and structured answers from a search engine. Practically speaking, the following CLI tool is possible to implement:

Code:
cyberd earn using 100 GB

Enjoy the following predictions:
- apt install go-filecoin:     0.001   BTC p/ month p/ GB
- apt install siad:            0.0007  BTC p/ month p/ GB
- apt install storjd:          0.0005 BTC p/ month p/ GB

According to the most desirable prediction, I decided to try `mine go-filecoin -limit 107374182400`

Git clone ...
Building go-filecoin
Starting go-filecoin
Creating a wallet using @xhipster seed
You address is ....
Placing bids ...
Waiting for incoming storage requests ...

The search from within CLI tools will inevitably create a highly competitive market of a dedicated semantic core for robots.

Autonomous robots: Blockchain technology enables the creation of devices that can manage digital assets on their own.

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If a robot can store, earn, spend and invest - they can do everything you can do

What is needed is a simple, yet a powerful state reality tool with the ability to find particular elements. \code{cyberd} offers minimalistic, but continuously self-improving data source, which provides the necessary tools for programming economically rational robots. According to \linkgreen{https://github.com/first20hours/google-10000-english}{top-10,000 English words} the most popular word in the English language is the defining article \code{the} - which means a pointer to a particular item. This fact can be explained as the following: particular items are of most importance to us. Therefore, the nature of our current semantic computing is to find unique things. Hence, the understanding of unique things is essential for robots too.

Language convergence: A programmer should not care about what language will an agent be using. We don't need to know about what language the agent is performing their search in. The entire UTF-8 spectrum is at work. The semantic core is open, so competition for answering queries can become distributed across different domain-specific areas, including the semantic cores for various languages. This unified approach creates an opportunity for cyber•Bahasa. Since the dawn of the Internet, we observe a process of rapid language convergence. We use truly global words across the entire planet, independently of our nationality, language, race, name or Internet connection. The dream of a truly global language is hard to deploy because it is hard to agree on what means what. However, we have the tools to make this dream come true. It is not hard to predict that the shorter a word, the more powerful its cyber•rank will become. Global, publicly available list of symbols, words, and phrases sorted accordingly by cyber•rank with a corresponding link provided by cyberd, can become the foundation for the emergence of a genuinely global language everybody can accept. Recent scientific advances in machine translation are breathtaking but meaningless to those who wish to apply them without a Google-like scale trained model. The proposed cyber•rank offers precisely this.

Our approach to economics of a consensus computer is that agents will pay for gas as they wish to execute programs. OpenCypher-like language can be provided to query the knowledge graph, right from within smart contracts.
We can envision the following smart contracts that can be built on top of a simple relevance machine with the support of on-chain WASM VM or CUDA VM:

Self prediction: A consensus computer can continuously build a knowledge graph on its own, predicting the existence of cyberlinks and applying these predictions to its state. Hence, a consensus computer can participate in the economic consensus of the cyber protocol.

Universal oracle” A consensus computer can store the most relevant data in a key-value storage, where the key is a CID and the values are the bytes of the actual content. This can be achieved by making a decision every round, on which CID value the agents want to prune and which value they wish to apply, based on the utility measure of content addresses within the knowledge graph. To compute utility measure, validators check the availability and the size of the content for the top-ranked content addresses within the knowledge graph, then, weight on the size of the CIDs and its rank. The emergent key-value storage will be available to write for consensus computer only and not for agents, but, values could be used in programs.

Proof of location: It is possible to construct cyberlinks with 'proof-of-location' based on remarkable existing protocols such as Foam. Consequently, a location-based search can also become provable, if web3-agents will mine triangulations and attach ‘proof of location’ for every linked chain.

Proof of web3-agent: Agents are a subset of content addresses with one fundamental property: a consensus computer can prove the existence of private keys for content addresses for the subset of a knowledge graph. Even if those addresses have never transacted on their chain. Therefore, it is possible to compute much provable essence on top of that knowledge, e.g. any inflation can be distributed to addresses that have never transacted in the cyber network but have the provable link required.

Motivation for read requests: It would be great to create cybernomics not only for ‘write’ requests to consensus computers but from ‘read’ requests too. Thus, read requests can become orders of magnitude cheaper but still guaranteed. Read requests to a search engine can be provided by the second tier of nodes which earn CYB tokens within state channels. We consider implementing state channels based on HTLC and proof of verification, which unlocks the amount of tokens earned for already served requests.

Prediction markets on link relevance: We can impel this idea further by the ranking of the knowledge graph, based on a prediction market on link relevance. An app. that allows betting on link relevance can become a unique source of truth for the direction of terms, as well as, motivate agents to submit more links.

This is surely not the excessive list of all the possible applications... but a very exciting one indeed.



And yes, we have tested it of course. You are welcome to test the browser too. Please bare in mind that it is not our priority before the chain itself is fully functioning.
You can check out the current alpha of the browser here (please be aware that this is very raw and might not work in places).
Once again, the browser is not our main goal right now. We will start concentrating on it when the mainnet is launched. As the chain itself is way more important at this stage
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ooo this is pretty cool, <3 me some Tendermint, i think its one of the more interesting validation methods being developed right now
i need to get me some more info on this one, still in testnet i see? so not too late for us plebs to maybe become validators?
Very exciting to see this here finally, as i have heard about it here and there in the Cryptosphere over the last year or so Smiley

It's not too late to become a validator. But you need to wait a bit. A new test network will begin soon, and you can become a validator. The current testnet no longer rewards validators. After 7,000,000 blocks, a snapshot was made and the rewards that the validators will receive after Genesis are counted. Euler-4 (old testnet) validators rewards is 2.7 TCYB.
What is the difference between using cyber and google in the browser search bar? You said the idea is amazing but is there really advantage of using cyb? Have you tested its usability?
I think that at the moment it is difficult to compare Cyber and Google. Cyber is a Web3 type search engine and uses IPFS. Cyber is at an early stage of development. Developers and the community will have to create a good knowledge graph and a search engine for it.
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What is the difference between using cyber and google in the browser search bar? You said the idea is amazing but is there really advantage of using cyb? Have you tested its usability?
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ooo this is pretty cool, <3 me some Tendermint, i think its one of the more interesting validation methods being developed right now
i need to get me some more info on this one, still in testnet i see? so not too late for us plebs to maybe become validators?
Very exciting to see this here finally, as i have heard about it here and there in the Cryptosphere over the last year or so Smiley


I have checked also how to become a validator and seems that it is not too complicated.

@dev, I'm compiling your main.tex file but it is giving me error in line 45.



I even tried xelatex and lualatex, but to no avail.
I'm using TexShop Version 4.44 (4.44)
Can you share the final output instead? Want to see what you have here. Thanks.
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ooo this is pretty cool, <3 me some Tendermint, i think its one of the more interesting validation methods being developed right now
i need to get me some more info on this one, still in testnet i see? so not too late for us plebs to maybe become validators?
Very exciting to see this here finally, as i have heard about it here and there in the Cryptosphere over the last year or so Smiley
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Hey there!

Sure. I think it's a great idea. I will definitely try to post constant updates

Nice signature btw. Do they still do sig campaigns?
Yes, I like that signature too. I set this signature because I am a validator.
I'm not sure that a signature company is a good idea. I like the idea of a campaign to attract new validators. Perhaps in the future it is also worth attracting people to download links and content to the IPFS.

Agree, i doubt a signature campaign these days is a good idea -)

Well, glad to see some validators here too! Hopefully we can get more people interested in the project!

Thanks for your input and help! If you have any ideas how to make this better will gladly take ideas!
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Hey there!

Sure. I think it's a great idea. I will definitely try to post constant updates

Nice signature btw. Do they still do sig campaigns?
Yes, I like that signature too. I set this signature because I am a validator.
I'm not sure that a signature company is a good idea. I like the idea of a campaign to attract new validators. Perhaps in the future it is also worth attracting people to download links and content to the IPFS.
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Hello, guys!
Do you plan to post weekly reports here?


Hey there!

Sure. I think it's a great idea. I will definitely try to post constant updates

Nice signature btw. Do they still do sig campaigns?
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Hello, guys!
Do you plan to post weekly reports here?
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A decentralized google. An innovative search protocol that provides provable answers, without an intermediary opinion

Built with the help of Cosmos-SDK / Tendermint / CUDA / Aragon


Product: GitHub | The app |

Community: Telegram | Twitter | Forum |



Original protocols of the Internet, such as: TCP/IP, DNS, URL, and HTTP/S have brought the web to a stale point. Considering all the benefits that these protocols have produced for the initial development of the web; along with them, they have brought significant obstacles to the table.

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Introducing cyber: Cyber is a decentralized google, for provable and relevant answers, without an intermediary opinon. Its mission is to create a universal search protocol to (a) build an open semantic field of the internet with the help of blockchain technology and cyberlinks, and (b) decentralize the infrastructure of the web with the help of blockchain


Cyber is a brand new protocol for adding and searching information onto a distributed knowledge graph. Users create links between 2 IPFS hashes and place them on a knowledge graph by spending bandwidth (this means that transactions are free). Where one hash is the content and the other is the keyword. That content is then dynamically ranked with the help of digital tokens and the current parameters of the networks load. All this is computed by validators. This allows to search data on the web, rank it, query it and create knowledge databases without blackbox intermediaries .

The interesting thing is that such a simple mechanism allows creating a lot of powerful tools as a result. For example: unified semantics, SEO instruments, autonomous robots, and a lot more.







A Gift to over 1 million addresses:

We want to give the ability to evaluate the proposed approach for as many agents as possible, but without adding complexity such as KYC and/or captcha.
That is why we give away:


  • 8% of CYB tokens in Genesis to the Ethereum community
  • 1% of CYB tokens to the Cosmos community
  • 1% of CYB tokens to the Urbit community

You can read more about the drop in our Gift FAQ.



Our values:

We do not believe in captchas. We do not believe in KYC. We do not believe in licensing and any other similar to the above-mentioned bullshit. We do believe in code. We believe in innovation and in making use of our knowledge to make the world a slightly better place for our children.

With that in mind, what I'm trying to say, is that cyber and cyb are not just technological results. They are much more. At its base lay the values of the team behind cyber. We hope that our project can re-create certain values of what we believe the blockchain paradigm stands for. With that said, we are open to communication and will be happy for any feedback on our code.




What can Cyber do?

Cyber can be defined as a smart, distributed computer. It can process, store and compute value in the form of providing answers to questions. At first glance, this might seem like a very primitive utility, suited, maximum, for an innovative browser. But that is far from the case. First of all, it is worth pointing out that Cyber provides useful computations! It is one of the first times in the history of blockchain technology where the computations done by the distributed computer have obvious and useful utility, not just to the end-user, but to the whole world. The forming of relevant and provable answers, that will shape an open semantics field.

An open semantics field lets you shape the internet differently. It allows users with interest in prosperity to receive more by using yesterdays' tools. It can make these instruments fairer, more efficient and more relevant. The basic idea is to create an Intercommunication Knowledge Protocol that can interact with everything that matters to the user. Cyber can account for a large number of use-cases, like: unified semantics, autonomous robots, programmable semantics, personal assistants, language convergence, universal oracles, proof of location and much more. All of these cases are built on semantics. Including simple cases like e-commerce, that can flourish fairly on local markets, thanks to a distributed, accessible knowledge graph. Queries can be delivered straight out of your personal browsing application. Answers can provide subjective relevance that is important at the time, at the place, for this community.

Other cases, like social networks, prediction markets, offline search, etc are also possible but are less global, although can have more reach, based on consumer behavior. The ability to create a Wikipedia without the censorship and blackbox intermediaries is astonishing. The idea of recreating search at its original vision, where you can search for academic papers, search inside of a social network, interact with your own search results, etc, is astonishing.



Specification:


  • Consensus: Tendermint
  • Computation: CUDA / GeForce
  • Tokens: CYB / THC:
  • CYB: is a native token of the sovereign Cyber protocol powered by the Tendermint consensus algorithm. It has 3 primary uses: (1) staking for consensus, (2) bandwidth limiting for submitting links, and (3) expression of will for the computing of cyber~Rank
  • The genesis block contains 1 000 000 000 000 000 CYB (one petacyb or 1 PCYB)
  • There is currently no such thing as the maximum amount of CYB tokens, this is due to the continuous inflation paid to the network validators
  • THC: is a creative cyber proto substance. THC being an Ethereum ERC-20 compatible token has utility value in the form of control over cyber~Foundation (an Aragon DAO) and the ETH from the auction proceeds.
  • One of the core values of THC, is the ability to be able to receive CYB tokens (1 to 1) for anyone staking THC during cyber~Auction  
  • Prior to Genesis cyber~Congress has minted 700 000 000 000 000 THC (seven hundred terathc)



Teaser: Web-3 In-browser implementation:




Play the Game of Links:

You can play the Game of Links, which is incentivized testing of Cyber, by creating cyberlinks and filling the knowledge graph with... knowledge. Playing GoL allows you to earn rewards. Read all about it here!




Join cyber as an evangelist, spread the word and get rewards!

Join our ambassador program to earn rewards, test our cross-chain mechanics and build up your reputation in web3!




You can also earn rewards and help to bootstrap the network by running a validator node.

Why should you run a validator on cyber:

  • You can use your cards to take part in computing the knowledge graph and be a part of an interesting project
  • You will be receiving rewards for running a validator, just like in Cosmos (ATOM)
  • You will be eligible to build your reputation in the system and can participate in governance during the mainnet
  • You can receive a commission from delegators on the mainnet
  • You can take part in forming the knowledge graph of the new Great Web
  • Become a web3 provider

Specifications:

In theory, if you are already using an instance with similar GPU's you might be able to run a validator node. But, to stay "true" to the cause, we recommend using the following specs:

  • CPU: 4 cores (6 is better)
  • RAM: 16 GB (64 would be better)
  • SSD: 256 GB (512 is preferred)
  • Connection: 100 Mbit fiber
  • GPU: CUDA / GeForce 1070/80
  • Software: Linux, Docker

On our website, you can find a very throughout guide on how to start your validator



Test it now:

Please feel free to review out work on GitHub . Feel free to ask questions. Join the discussion on our Telegram chat .





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