Topic: [ANN] Finality: Trustless and Permissionless Cryptocurrency Interoperability (Read 435 times)

After long introduction of which many of us already aware OP just went offline. There is no progress at all, no communication neither on social media. This is first time I saw the thread when it almost is one month old. I don't know how much serious is who started it but things are not on track. Website is up, no exchange and no roadmap looks like abandoned already.

Send mutual insults in a public field? I don’t understand a damn thing about the intricacies of the protocol, but you don’t have to be too smart not to see that there is a negative flow.

That’s shit.
When are you releasing the corrected research?
Where can I track it?

ohh. did i wasted my time on dis or u hav smthing gud to add?

In the struggle for the independence of crypto-fiat exchange, the state always wins. For example, in Russia, the law FZ 115 was adopted. According to which banks can block accounts, if there is an assumption of money laundering. Exchange for Fiat for the bank can be regarded as such.

• It doesn't matter who is behind this handle, one person or a group of people.
• As it has already been stated clearly about who played what role in the research.
• The vision is to create an exchange network (crypto, ad network, digital assets etc) where anybody can be a 'BAUS' (similar to operator in Plasma but not the same). The protocol is aimed to provide order-matching performance of centralised exchange & custodial security of blockchain - decentralised consensus.
  The mission is to launch a second layer protocol over ethereum first and then to work on interoperability part.
• It's obvious that the project is divided now. ill-formed ideas kill the big vision but we are onto it and will release the corrected paper soon.
• You need not look at one side of the story for sure. But since, you have gone through the paper look at the following calculation (refer sec 7.3)
  
  Let’s analyze an example Baus with:
  n = 1, 000, 000 live accounts
  m = 1, 500 merkle leaf proofs
  t = 6, 000 FSB challenge period
  50 coins
  100 trades per active user
  100, 000 total trades
  A malicious account update published by a Baus would have at most a 1 in 66,553,888,
  or a 0.000001503% chance of successfully cheating the network.
  
  Using the above values, the gas required to submit just merkle proofs for every sidechain block to the eth root chain comes out to be ~23,000,000,000 (the fee is 20k gas to store a 256 bit word. A kilobyte is thus 640k gas. refer eth yellowpaper http://gavwood.com/paper.pdf). But MAX POSSIBLE GAS in eth block is ~8,000,000 at the moment. LOL. But you can still ask questions to Mr. Ho Lee Hua if he knows anything  
  

It is obvious that you are the same guy who posted it. I don't believe in one sided story though but if you are the one who did everything, how are you envisioning this project to unfold. Or the project dies here as many of the projects get killed because of internal disputes.
Why I am interested in this, is because I am working on a 2nd layer protocol too and the concept presented in the paper is definitely better than the one I am working on.

You wrote. "We offer a scalable second-level protocol that allows any interested party to create and operate a cryptocurrency exchange without trust and without permission, capable of processing millions of transactions per second.". Where can I find out about your new protocol? White paper ?

it was posted in https://ethresear.ch/ but thn removed.
google cache:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https://ethresear.ch/t/finality-trustless-and-permissionless-cryptocurrency-interoperability/4679

luks like a big truble to baus.

I also have not fully believed in this project, because the information I received was very little,
let alone not explained by the team and clear vision and mission   

Read this:

https://medium.com/@PiyushG/the-crypto-connists-of-blockchain-community-finality-baus-part-1-2a17902bcccd

I read the paper and here are my few satoshis:

Good:
No consensus on the 2nd layer. Pure maths to reach finality.
Inspired from Plasma but account based approach used rather than UTXO. So splitting/merging of coins is not an issue.
Best suited for Hybrid exchanges. Centralised matching of orders and Decentralised custody of tokens.

Okay:
It doesn't cover interoperability, future version might have it, don't know.
Research is around the exchange and not on the scaling per se.
Limited to Ethereum/smart contract based chains.


Bad:
Paper is not consistent throughout.
Token economics is not properly defined.

It luks tht its based on plasma. I did go thru math. Many equations.
block publishing time's dynamic n num of txns increases, block freq increases. So more txns can be done.
Thou did not understood the proof, will give more time.

P.S. sorry for my bad english

Looks Interesting. Some good stuff for the weekend !!

  
  for all the time I spent with crypto, I saw only one fair distribution, this is NANO. What is stopping you under the guise of a reset to take any number of tokens for yourself?

You wrote. "We offer a scalable second-level protocol that allows any interested party to create and operate a cryptocurrency exchange without trust and rights, capable of processing millions of transactions per second." But, without exchanges in Fiat, no cryptocurrency can exist. It turns into ordinary, useless wrappers.

Could you elaborate on M-RAD please?

Some of projects in here are intended to make a non profit project in which they are not getting funds in any way to get the funds.

How can you realize this idea without any funds? Will other people be interested? Do they want to work voluntarily?

Technically an ERC20 shittoken is 100% premine soooo.....

A Scalable Protocol for Trustless, Permissionless Cryptocurrency Interoperability

On October 31, 2008, 46 days after the largest bankruptcy in world history, Satoshi Nakamoto released the the Bitcoin Whitepaper, which became the seminal blueprint for a cryptocurrency revolution.  At the time of the paper’s release, the world was suffering a financial crisis, a cyclical and predictable consequence of a 400 year-old economic system controlled by central banks and regulated by nation-states.

Nation-states sanction and have become dependent upon central banks to finance large budget deficits at the expense of sound money and savers.  Governments encourage asset price inflation in order to benefit favored special interest groups and leveraged financial firms.  Rather than tolerate a natural deleveraging cycle that would reward good behavior and punish poor risk-taking; nation-states resolutely undermine economic equity and guard the money cartel of central banks through tacit approval of massive monetary easing programs and implementation of regulations that are designed to hinder competition and alternatives for citizens seeking to opt out of an inequitable and exploitative monetary system.


The Only “Fork” that Matters: Economic Liberty vs. “Enterprise Blockchain” regulated by Nation-States

Central banks are unelected and not officially part of nation-state governments.  Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies provide a way to opt out of the failed nation-state and central banking system.  Regulatory bodies and agents of the current failed system have sought to regulate and tax cryptocurrencies as if they were coin minted by a sovereign nation rather than code created by individuals. 

Nation-states are creating a regulatory framework to remove the anonymity, neutrality and trustless and permissionless properties of cryptocurrency to hinder the mass adoption of an efficacious alternative to the monetary tyranny of today’s central banking system.  Regulating crypto-to-fiat gateways is not enough for nation-state regulators, who seek to bring all cryptocurrency-related activity under their jurisdiction and complete control, while central banks and their pseudo-nationalized too-big-to-fail financial institutions continue to operate freely with no democratic oversight or transparency.  With the ultimate goal being the complete annihilation of cryptocurrency as a vehicle to opt out of the current corrupt and failing monetary system, nation-states have sought to restrict decentralized exchanges and broaden their regulatory powers by labeling smart contracts and code as “security tokens,” etc..  It is not in the interest of the citizens of the world to engage in a system that allows nation-states to regulate cryptocurrencies and their interoperability.  Through their exchange regulations and KYC/AML policies designed to enable exclusion powers, permit censorship and protect taxation authority, nation-states seek to create a robust regulatory straitjacket to monitor, tax and police cryptocurrency activity to eliminate citizens’ option to opt out.


Finality

It is time for us to counter these dark forces and fight for the economic liberty that cryptocurrencies finally make possible.  For the first time in history, the technological tools are available to us to radically transform our corrupt and economically unideal system.  In order to acquire economic liberty, preserve neutrality and protect the rights of the individual, we must seek to create a new cryptocurrency interoperability framework outside of nation-state regulatory powers.  To make this possible, we need an interoperability layer that makes it impossible or incredibly difficult for third party interference in coin exchange and chain-to-chain communication. 

We propose a scalable second layer protocol allowing any willing party to build and operate a trustless and permissionless cryptocurrency exchange capable of processing millions of transactions per second.  A root blockchain contract owned by the operating party securely holds user funds, which are tradable within its sidechain with instant finality.  This design is secured by the operating party, periodically committing the merkle root of user accounts and proofs from the prior merkle root to the root blockchain contract.  This second layer design serves as an extremely high-throughput, secure platform on which to build trustless, permissionless cryptocurrency exchanges.  A future Finality root chain, with its own native consensus-generating Finality cryptocurrency, will connect Finality second layer protocols operating on various root chains to establish cross-chain interoperability.


Who is Behind Finality?

Ho Lee Huo - Inventor of the Finality Protocol
Yoshi Kumatama - Helped Ho Lee with research and stuff
Anyone who still believes in the true potential of crypto


Documentation: Finality 1.0

https://finality.network/documentation/Finality_1.0.pdf


Coin

No ICO, No Premine, No Foundations, No Lawyers, No Marketing, No Selling, No Selling-out
Just the Coin and Code

We’re conducting the world’s first M-RAD (Massive Randomized Airdrop), the date of which is to be announced.  The M-RAD will airdrop an ERC20 token according to predetermined and equitable ruleset.  The Finality ERC20 will later be redeemable 1-to-1 for the native consensus-generating Finality cryptocurrency when the Finality root chain is live.

We believe that the value of a coin reflects the value of a project, and it makes little difference if capital is raised via an ICO or through an increase in the price and market value of the coin circulating in the open market.  In fact, we believe conducting an ICO results in a worse outcome due to the regulatory burdens and costs imposed by nation-state regulations and a centralized ICO Foundation.  Having as many hodlers and buidlers as possible is important to us and to the success of the project.  Having decentralized contributions by virtue of individuals buidling and hodling the coin, developing code for the project and investing human time and energy is more efficient and advantageous than a centralized ICO Foundation holding, managing and distributing fiat and crypto funds from individual contributors to a group of developers chosen by the foundation.


A Final Note

We thank all those who have contributed to this project and those who will make future contributions.  We also thank those who still believe that the most colossally beneficial impact of crypto to humankind involves dethroning the central banking and nation-state system.  We encourage everyone to join and proceed with the project.  Our friends have set up a website for informational and educational purposes that will initially serve as a home for the project: https://finality.network.  But, there is no designated leadership, and there is no small inner circle of technologists with over-weighted influence.  For this revolution to prevail, it must be open to all, and it must be leaderless.  As for us, we walk away knowing that we made our small contribution.   


-ho lee & yoshi