Topic: [ANN] HORIZON (HZ) New ANN thread (Read 2691 times)

That was indeed me, haha.

Thank you, MarkM. I know how valuable those are.

I noticed new trustlines on Stellar for DVC, IXC and I0C so sent 100 DVC, 10 IXC and 10 I0C.

Figured that account was probably you, iRaf.


-MarkM-

A very generous person gave me some HZ. My account balance will be leased to the forging pool after 1440 blocks.

Great, it is showing up in the http://LFM.knotwork.com:7776/ node just not in the node where I am, which is the UFBTR.ddns.net node.

You can check the LFM.knotwork.com node yourself just visit the above URL (it is not https just http) and use a single space character (or, actually, anything at all but the space one has some sample transactions) as passphrase to get in.

There is a staking (forging) pool at http://LFM.knotwork.com:8810/ to help keep everyone on same chain to help to prevent "forks" of the blockchain, that you might like to use once you get some HZ to delegate.


-MarkM-

Yes, VPS has fixed IP. It is synced. The IP is also plugged in to the config file.

It should show up now.

I don't see it yet.

If the CPS has a fixed IP address maybe just putting the IP address into the config will be enough, not positive whether you actually need a name on DNS in order for other nodes to list you; with changing IP address such as home internet you do need a name so you have a fixed name to be known by regardless of changes of IP address, and you also then need dynamic DND service so a machine in your network, or maybe your modem as some modems do have config option to set up dynamic DNS services in them, can regularly report changes of IP address to the service, which then adjusts the namesever lookup to point to the new IP address.

If you do have that IP address plugged in to the config file maybe I am not yet seeing you due to its maybe choosing not to list nodes that are not yet up to date with the blockchain.


-MarkM-

Thank you, ifinta. The issue is my budget. I have only a few hundred USD at the moment. I'll be slowly placing buy orders for HZ on Stellar. Hope that helps.

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I have set up a node on a VPS but I do not know if it's actually visible for others. It is currently syncing.

95.179.234.124:7776

Well we'll see how it goes.

I posted an article in the discussion section about "Dumpers" as a species of "griefer" sketching a way of dealing with currencies that become infected with such "griefers" and how to deal with them...

Basically just avoid selling anything for currencies thus infected, lest what you sell to them also become similarly infected.

Unfortunately it means who knows how much longer of avoiding selling anything for HZ but most traders on HZ have been using it many years now so most of their trading-partners are trusted so they can continue to conduct business player-to-player or over-the-counter, avoiding the "spot markets" on the HORIZON platform.

It is a pity still though since without a use-case as something with which to build buy-sides for everything folks need almost no HZ at all, just one per side per over the counter trade they make plus maybe from time to time someone attempting to lure comeone into selling for HZ by offering some massive price in HZ, probably a price that assumes HZ is going to keep on getting trashed in price on the spot markets for the foreseeable future.

If it ever gets back to a "reasonable" price range it will maybe eventually be able to regain its use-case as something to build buy-sides with.


-MarkM-

I did, what I said, but it exists ZSOZSO also at other users. Maybe they selling it cheaper, as I do. Just check stellar.expert ... I placed some offer higher as Yours with around million HZ against XLM and USDC. Then ZSOZSO-HZ market, 1 HZ = 100 ZSOZSO. As we spoken.

It exists not a big amount of ZSOZSO on other hands, but it exists some. I seen, they deleting the offers already. They seen, they selling ZSOZSO against nothing. Just check stellar.expert ...

I don't see any large sell offers, looks like maybe you just trashed the price of HZ in Lumens on Stellar by selling massive amounts of it very cheap wiping out the existing buy-side way way down in price.

Basically sold to existing buy offers rather than placing large sell offers above highest buy offer so they would still be there when that person wanting to buy large amounts comes looking?

Currently the price of XLM in HZ on Stellar is showing as over 300 HZ per XLM.

Any large sell offers remaining must be way way up beyond the number of offers my client (FoxletStellar) displays?


-MarkM-

Sir!

I placed some bigger offers of HZ on the stellar network against USDC and against XLM. If You or somebody near to You wish invest more to HZ, it is simple step from now an.

You are also able from now an to buy ZSOZSO against HZ, and sell ZSOZSO against HZ (BOTH on HORIZON (ZSOZSO asset id = 6500180120253112520)  and Stellar networks (issuer account = GDZKLEYJ54QUIEYE4DUUOCIJDUS7R5MDW5MCAB3XTUGPJ3C7SSZJRQUC)!

Sincerely,
ifinta

Maybe try posting on the HIVE platform, for example via PEAKD?

https://peakd.com/created/galactic-milieu


-MarkM-

Sorry. It isn't allowed to do here.
Just see, what is happening on the original thread (already DONE. not allowed...):

https://talk.jelurida.com/t/a-nxt-clone-but-a-living-network-horizon/1217

if it will be deleted there, I will post a bsky.app address to do this giveaway...

Use, please THIS link: https://bsky.app/profile/ifinta66.bsky.social/post/3let52nofbc24

Sorry. It isn't allowed to do here.

YES. It is a giveaway of 9 000 000 NHZ!!!!!

I try to support every new nodes. I started a giveaway thread on https://talk.jelurida.com/t/a-nxt-clone-but-a-living-network-horizon/1217 to have some new nodes. I hope, the admins not deleting that post, but it is possible. I will check that thread periodically there. If they deleting it, I post it here to inform everybody.

The post there:

"Hi, I am here to ask for support because a long forgot NXT clone, the HORIZON network. It is in life... Sometimes I check the network, but it is running. It exists not too much node, but a game using that network, so it remained in life.

I am ready for a giveaway, for everybody who is able to act for that network. I pay 25000 NHZ (HZ) on HORIZON network to everybody, who send me here an address HERE of that network (up to 3000000 NHZ, it would be then 120 new nice new nodes... If the node in work, You get from me 75000 NHZ as a prize for THAT node!). The params of every already running new node post me , please, here also, to get the prize. It is a web wallet in work. http://lfm.knotwork.com:7776/index.html# I have an unmodified fork of the last source... It has one big known issue, the currencies not well working, but assets working nice. I think it would be beautiful if that network has a lot more support!

Many THANKs for every Your support!"

Sorry. It isn't allowed to do here.

... of course, You are able to send me here also such informations... first a need is a wallet address (NHZ of course). Then some prove about a running node. Be patient. I check randomly this thread, but I try to act for this giveaway in every week min' once.

Ok. I sent You a message. I check messages a week once sure.

Thanks for the info, MarkM. Will report back once I'm done setting the node up.


Tried to send you a PM, ifinta, but newbies are not allowed to. If you can send me your price per HZ, I'd appreciate it.

If You need a Horizon account, You are able to use a web wallet also. It is safe enough: http://lfm.knotwork.com:7776/index.html#

If you need a bigger amount of HZ (above 1000000 HZ), pm me... I have some.

I posted this earlier. You are able to buy some ZSOZSO against USDC on Stellar Network, I make manual a transfer that ZSOZSO to Horizon network and you are able to exchange it for HZ on Horizon network. I have on both network an account with ZSOZSO and HZ. The rates are actual well defined on exchanges... Here is the process:

Mainly you need to route incoming connections for the protocol in your modem if running at home, and ideally have dynamic DNS so your home IP address can have a name so other nodes can find its IP address as typically your provider will change your IP address from time to time.

I use no-ip.org which offers several domains to choose from for example this example node below uses a hostname in the ddns.net domain:




I am not big on selling any HZ right now as I need all I can get to build buy sides for everything on HORIZON platform.

I set nhz.enableUPNP=false because I explicitly tell my modem what ports to send to which machine, I suppose if you only run one machine or only one that might happen to run HORIZON and your modem actually has working UPNP (some providers seem to disable that) maybe you could find using UPNP works but also for all I know that might also end up routing browser requests to your web-based interface which might not be good since its probably best to have outside users run their own node rather than use a browser to connect to yours and maybe someday then blame you if someone gets their private keys.


-MarkM-

I'm interested in running a node. Are NXT docs useful when learning to do so? Is there something different that needs to be done for HZ?

Also interested in buying HZ coins but sell orders on Stellar are way too thin. I'm willing to send the money first for OTC trades.

"jailtime"? Why? Because new kind of rules? It is an open ledger. It uses resources. It needs real servers, nodes. If somebody not using the account, it means for the whole network a kind of attack. It is simple to make a rule, about a kind of tax, if somebody no any other transaction made. That tax MUST be payed, and then the account can remain. If NOT, then that account brakes the ledger rules, THE LAW, so it is legal to delete it. The network can use that HZ's for example to pay some extras to well working nodes. A such step not simple legal, it is a needed step against possible attacks on the internet.

I am ready to give You support because Your NXT over the superprof account. The first 45 minute is free. I propose a lesion for 3 hours. You will be able to reach me over a phone. Here is the link:

https://www.superprof.com/help-you-cryptocurrency-world-any-questions-this-business-since-2011.html

Nah, he is more into the big business and such than grass roots, free open source and such.


-MarkM-

Wow all that sounds like something Elon Musk would want to invent but you sound more intelligent than Elon Musk. Unless you are Elon of course.

I think that would be called fraud , deception , theft ,fraud by wire and some other charges might be added so the developers or powers that be behind it might end up like SBF doing a lot of jailtime.

I know this is HZ thread but I had NXT coins but mynxtwallet does not work anymore. Does anyone have an idea how to recover it? TIA

Your node still is not shown in other nodes' list of connections.

Likely you need to run some kind of dynamic DNS to provide your node with a name that is updated as your ISP changes your IP address from time to time.


-MarkM-

Just to know, that I had a Debian on my stolen notebook. The network worked WELL with iphone 11 over USB cable. I started it, I plugged in my (stolen) iphone 11, and everything was well, worked top. Just now with Windows 10 I get hourly issues, because the connection between iphone and my laptop....... It is light to detect, but. But it isn't a server, sure. What I neeeeed, what should I ask from a such Windows system, but really? A client. Sure. I know. The Debian IS A server system. Okay. I let this Windows 10 run on this notebook. ((I thinking about to install Windows 11, but THE INSTALLATION NEEEEEDS a well and stable internet access for a (some) whole day(s), maybe ONLY 18 hours, ...... I know........... I thinking about to install Java 8 SDK on this Windows, ... Or to install Debian, but THIS Windows a well piece, sure, me like, sure.......)) BUT I NEEEED Horizon Network, Galactic Milieu, ... sure!!!

Just a remark here: The task at Coinmarketcap is today also an opportunity - for users of Horizon Network, sure. The link above in life, as it was in life earlier also...

It is already good. The restart worked well. Many THANKs! Happy Holydays!

Weird. I restarted it. The pool is two tasks only one typically dies like that.

I suspect the one that died was the web-page not the actual pool since blocks had continued going along fine and leases to the pool were still happening and so on.

I never even thought to look at that page's timestamp of latest blocks because in the actual nodes blocks were still working fine and still forged by the pool.

I am not seeing any new nodes though so whatever yours is named it doesn't seem to be showing up to the others.


-MarkM-

I think, the http://lfm.knotwork.com:8810/ page not working well since 17th November this year...
I started to support forging with some of my HZ-s, the network running well, I see peers, the leasing was successful, but the page above not detecting anything from actual forging events......

It is great that you are creating assets.

The game uses existing free open-source games as components, weaving them together via the cryptocurrencies and crypto-assets.

The only component with much of a hardware requirement really is if and when we actually use OpenSimulator or who knows by then something else that provides the similar functionality of providing graphical 3-D, eventually hopefully immersive 3D like goggles and so on for full virtual reality.

That whole virtual reality part though is still well into the future, there is still so much to build first, from text mode using CoffeeMUD software through 2-D tile-based using Crossfire-RPG, FreeCiv and Battle for Wesnoth; so far we do not even have for each type of FreeCiv "unit" a corresponding faction in Battle for Wesnoth to use to be able to represent every type of FreeCiv unit on a smaller scale broken down into all the various types of squads or troops each type of FreeCiv unit could or would consist of when zoomed in on.

Tools to build along the way would include things like a Crossfire-RPG map generator that takes a FreeCiv map as input and generates a corresponding Crossfire-RPG set of maps.

Once we have the Crossfire-RPG set of maps next would be an OpenSimulator or some such similar system "region" generator to pump out 3-D versions of the Crossfire-RPG maps.

The idea is that representing things should be a client-side task, each user ultimately able to choose whether they want to just see text, or 2-D graphics, or 3-D, eventually basically a "MUD client" that ideally would be able to take a novel or the output of a text-mode MUD game and render it in real time graphically, even full immersive graphics. An early simulation of a holodeck.

The way A.I. is progressing it certainly should be able to generate amazing graphics given MUD text-mode game output as "prompts", the next step would be to do that generating fast enough to not just generate amazing still photographic quality images but actual live video representation.

But do that all at the client end, so the server can handle massive numbers of simultaneous users because the server only needs to deal with text, which is relatively low bandwidth, and not need to run non player characters either since non player characters would ultimately be indistinguishable to the server from any other characters, basically they would run on clients just like players do using scripting languages or whatever that players could equally well choose to deploy themselves too so there would be no worry about trying to ban bots since humans are anyway themselves just another species of bots, happening to be organically implemented bots.

That last part, humans eventually being indistinguishable from bots, will in turn be a useful tool toward privacy and/or anonymity by allowing massive multiplication of the anonymity-sets within which anyone seeking to penetrate anonymity would need to search and correlate to "dox" anonymous entities.


-MarkM-

You are able to buy HZ on the Stellar Network against ZSOZSO from now an. Please check the pictures below... The ZSOZSO asset on the Stellar Network:

https://stellar.expert/explorer/public/asset/ZSOZSO-GDZKLEYJ54QUIEYE4DUUOCIJDUS7R5MDW5MCAB3XTUGPJ3C7SSZJRQUC

info about ZSOZSO: (not more on zsozso.info... we working on this issue.) https://bsky.app/profile/zsozsoonstellar.bsky.social and the same account on X (former twitter) On both soc. media You are able to reach me also as @ifinta66 ...

Okay. It is an opinion, sure. I wait more opinions about the RFC above.

If exists a wish/bug list for HZ source, I would like to get it.

I work on my node today... maybe I install the game also. What HW requirements need that game? How can I define an asset in it?

One year is far too fast a timeout.

I think DMDv4 is proposing accounts idle for ten full years start to evapourate over time maybe or something like that, but any such ideas rebel against the immutability of blockchain.

Bitcoin seems to work fine with uknown numbers of "lost coins" out there.

Not to mention that any such rule could force e.g. Satoshi to put life on the line to avoid having coins in effect stolen, if Satoshi isn't already dead.

No way of knowing how many people in how many different coins and blockchains would have their life at risk were they to go ahead and move any of their coins or tokens due to some such stupid and possibly outright dangerous or deadly rule, especially one introduced after the fact rather than in the original pre-genesis "whitepaper" or whatever.

Maybe it could even be argued that even suggesting such a retrofitted rule ought to be taken as possibly indicating being out to "get" someone who is at the moment protected by their coins not having moved lately or ever...

If you are up for coding though there are glitches in HORIZON that could do with fixing, such as its so called currencies subsystem is broken enough we ended up having to categorise everything as assets.


-MarkM-

I test this Debian on the Windows. Me like it. It working well up to now. It give me for servers a well secure place.
Yes, Java is well compatible everywhere with Java, with some differences as usual
YES, HORIZON is top, of course. HORIZON is the only NXT clone, which reached this age! Or?
And HORIZON has a well distribution, sure. The community should be well informed only.

It is a question, how we are able to burn not more used HZ and acc's later.......... It would be a nice step for the market.
We should make then a new version of HZ, but we have the sources. Not an impossible mission, sure.

RFC-HZ-NEW-0001: If an account don't move any asset in the next year (2025), it will be removed forever in the next version of HZ.

A request for comment, please!

It is not technically necessary to run a Linux subsystem under Windows to run it on Windows is it?

Shouldn't the necessary version of java be directly available for Windows?

Seems like once upon a time the big point of java had been it runs everywhere so that stuff written for it can run everywhere?

Thanks for doing all this though, HORIZON used to be a great place for shopping for bargains after each re-calculation of the Latest Rates, which calculation by the way is running as I type, the mid-month calculation as it were...


-MarkM-

Okay. I check the thread of Your game also. I don't tried it yet. Interesting option.

Okay. It exists a web wallet at a node? Maybe it is enough for our business.
Just now not simple to download the whole chain. It means a lot time...

I note here, what I did... I use a Windows 10 system with Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL). I use Debian app on it. Bookworm. I installed Java jdk 8, because it a must for the old source of HZ. The source I get from my github repo, as usual. compile.sh and it compiled without issue.

Java 8 for Bookworm:

Please check also:
https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/749903/how-can-i-install-java-8-on-debian-12-bookworm

wget http://www.mirbsd.org/~tg/Debs/sources.txt/wtf-bookworm.sources
sudo mkdir -p /etc/apt/sources.list.d
sudo mv wtf-bookworm.sources /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
sudo apt update
sudo apt install openjdk-8-jdk

github repo:

git clone https://github.com/ifinta/hz-source

It can be started with run.sh, but not yet working, because I need to open ports from the Windows Subsystem for Linux to the world...

~~~~~~~~~~~ it was here a week pause, sure

I got some serious issues, but IT EXISTS a known bug in the networking of WSL... WSL don't let run init and it don't detects, that the Windows got an another networking environment, for example, the Windows system was in sleep state, and woke up It was before Windows 10 a known issue, and MAYBE Windows 11 solved it. MAYBE I can't test it just now...

It means, Windows should be switched off, and next day should be started. The WSL should be well closed and started also. Not for a well server, sure.

I don't want to install a Debian, I don't want a 1000 years old Java Dev Kit on the Windows, so I decided to restart my "server" every day I would like try WSL well, as I said earlier.

Some useful Windows commands:

netsh interface portproxy add v4tov4 listenport=7776 listenaddress=127.0.0.1 connectport=7776 connectaddress=172.25.23.6

The address of 172.25.23.6 on the side of Windows changing randomly, of course. WSL don't detect it, I hope, clear for everybody, why it isn't a good decision to use the system. But.

route print, ping, tracert, ...
wsl.exe -l -v

to see the Name, State, ... of the distro.

wsl.exe -t Debian

to make a restart of the WSL. It should be well stopped, of course, before you do it. If you exit the app, the process don't exiting. It remain in the life in the background. Nice. If you don't have the state of the system in "running", then it won't be restarted, of course. Nice.

netsh advfirewall firewall add rule name="" dir=in action=allow protocol=TCP localport=

It isn't tested well yet. Just to remember.

netsh firewall show state
wsl.exe hostname -I
netsh interface ipv4 show config

Some useful Debian command (bookworm):

ip address show, ping, traceroute, nc (netcat), ...

What is maybe useful, that the HOSTNAME of WSL system will be an subdomain of mshome.net ... Interesting thing, because the domain, the mshome.net is a well public ip address, and the .msome.net get a PRIVATE IP...

http://lfm.knotwork.com:7776/index.html#

You can use this link to sign into the Horizon Network. It isn't a node required then from your side, you can use the link with a browser, and it working well up to now...

I stop this task for today. I continue it later or after the Holydays, maybe at Newyear. Happy Holydays

~~~~~~~~~~~~~ just another pause ...

Awesome!

All you need do is fire up a HORIZON node, hz-v5.4 is what I am using it was the latest version I managed to find.

In its config file of course all the old default nodes are long gone, but I do not plug my nodes in in place of those I put mine in as well-known nodes. Either would work though.

Plug into it LFM.knotwork.com, Server1.Knotwork.net, UFBSH.no-ip.org, UFBAR.ddns.net and UFBTR.ddns.net

If you want to help prevent forking of the blockchain or just want to use a staking pool for staking, there is a staking (forging) pool running at http://lfm.knotwork.com:8810/ which pretty much all the players with enough HZ to bother staking/forging seem to be using. We have had problems a few years back with forking so that might be best idea for now, especially considering that the default distribution is set up to want three nodes already on line and in synch with one-another just to get started since by default it checks each block received against two nodes other than the node it received it from before accepting it.

You should be able to make buy offers with your existing bags of HZ, the game's assets on HORIZON are listed at https://MakeMoney.Knotwork.com/horizon/assets/

Note that we do not use the so called currencies, only the so called assets, since trying to create currencies after the first few we created it just kept insisting name already in use for any more we tried to create also not sure the math of trading them etc even works for those it did allow to exist. So we replaced any we had managed to create with assets.

As for the value of HZ, we had trading going pretty nicely assuming one HZ was worth about a penny or cent, whether U.S. or CAD or Australian or GBP or Euros, anything in that kind of ballpark, but some massive whale trashed the price of HZ on Stellar so insanely low that pretty much everyone deleted all their sell offers of everything in HORIZON until some day when a proper buy-side is built up on Stellar for HZ enough to give players some confidence again that there is any point trying to come up with sensible sell offers selling things for HZ.

The Stellar assets, including HZ, are listed at https://MakeMoney.Knotwork.com/stellar/

The tables and plots of asset values, dating back to 2012, are online at http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/digitalisassets.html


-MarkM-


EDIT: If you yourself are a huge whale in HZ you might think about the idea of making HZ into a "treasury-based asset" in the game so as to make it have a calculated value within the game, since it might prove easier to bring its calculated value up to a useful level than to bring its spot market prices on Stellar up to a useful value. I already started discussing how to set up treasury based assets in one of the [Galactic Milieu] threads in the altcoin discussion section of these forums.

Nice to hear about You, Sir!
I am actually not in Hungary. I am in Miami. If we can meet, it would be nice, I should express. I am in Miami since ~six month. My server at this time in Hungary offline, but it is in a safe place. I have there some backups about old sources, what I successful grabbed from the github. Maybe there would be some information also about this explorer. Maybe. I can't travel back to Hungary, I requested here asylum. In the days I was able to login again in this account. I should express, I neeeeed some coins, and I have a lot HZ. It would be nice to speak about it ASAP. You have good chances to get some HZ, other HORIZON ASSETS of Yours, ... with a well price, sure.

Have a nice day, Sir! Your post made my day, I feel!
Sincerely,
ifinta

Afaik blockexplorer.horizen.global used to be one one of the most useful explorer during earlier days, there is one video in youtube which is 6 years old posted by user aqua Youtubelinks mighty helpful for you.

Once upon a time, back around the time HZ got de-listed from Poloniex, there used to be a great explorer-type site for it.

Some time later I even talked on phone with a chap who claimed he knew the folk who ran it and could maybe get them to put it back online.

I long ago lost the old phone that had his number so figured it was long past time by now to enquire here about it...

Does anyone have that old site or code?

Any chance it or something like it can be put online again?


-MarkM-

Doesn't seem to work?

-MarkM-

Yes, it works

running Horizon Server. blockchain is downloading appears to be caught up!

Firing up my server again after some downtime. Running from my old residence thru remote desktop lol. Couldn't move all my hardware to Texas.

See http://makemoney.knotwork.com/stellar/ for all the coins/assets I have so far set up on the Stellar platform.

See also http://makemoney.knotwork.com/horizon/ as there are more set up on HORIZON platform than on Stellar platform, partly because I have not implemented the "shares" type assets on Stellar in order to help people keep in mind they are in game shares of in game Corps, like shares in EVE online of companies in EVE online, and in particular they are not "securities" outside of the game even though within the game sure yeah they are what governments in the game would presumably classify as "securities".

In the Latest Rates include-file, "shares" have a lowercase-s prefix indicating they are shares.

For example DVCrate is value of a DeVCoin, sDVCrate is value of a share of DeVCorp.

-MarkM-

So HZ is now actively trading under stellar?
No market is listed in CMC so maybe, time to update your other info as well.
At least give encouragement for long time followers of this old alt.
Very few old alts are still alive today, so encourage the community to check out again your project.

HZ/XLM and HZ/DVC are set up on the Stellar platform.

For HZ on the Stellar platform see http://makemoney.knotwork.com/stellar/hz/ ( Explorer: https://stellar.expert/explorer/public/asset/HZ-GBHAQ252S4Z4AQOM4BWIRC3UHAOJIKCZQBUJGD336YH2O7W2NKRXMHA5 )

For DVC on the Stellar platform see http://makemoney.knotwork.com/stellar/dvc/ ( Explorer: https://stellar.expert/explorer/public/asset/DVC-GBHAQ252S4Z4AQOM4BWIRC3UHAOJIKCZQBUJGD336YH2O7W2NKRXMHA5 )

-MarkM-

We are up. Not hard to run the Java Applet "Horizon NRS" locally from Windows 10 for me. So my node is up 80% of the time (guesstimate) - not forcing full scan from block 0 anymore so it runs pretty quickly from the Batch file on command prompt. I used to force scan everytime but I suppose its better to just get on the network and running as quick as I can.

Updated list of nodes:
Lfm.knotwork.com
Ufbsh.no-ip.org
73.8.240.113
160.20.146.23
82.223.216.54
85.165.109.217

I'm online every other day. Its slow to start up the server and my CPU does the best it can. There's going to be a return to this platform soon, right Mark? (@knotwork)

If you are interested on trying Horizon, check this guide to get started:
https://medium.com/@Raf21/horizon-hz-a-how-to-guide-bda4e415819a

Online nodes:
Lfm.knotwork.com
Ufbsh.no-ip.org
73.8.240.113

Feel free to reach out in Horizon's discord for more help, if needed.
https://discord.gg/CG4n5MQ

here is a "working" link - about Horizon

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/next-horizon/

Maybe - with a little bigger node count - it would be possible to change the "inactive" attribute on the Coinmarketcap ...
We have Stellar, as a possible Exchange for Horizon - with an Stellar Asset, but it is a possibility to buy / sell it.

Good. I don't got an offer from You, Sir, here, but I placed some on Stellar.
https://stellarterm.com/exchange/HZ-GBHAQ252S4Z4AQOM4BWIRC3UHAOJIKCZQBUJGD336YH2O7W2NKRXMHA5/XLM-native

If somebody would like to own HZ, to try forging on HZ chain (Something working already, but ... And HZ very similar to NXT and other PoS coins, but you can own a BIG amount, if you wish and we can find a good rate for the amount you would like to own...) just get some HZ, and...
((I have ~5% of the whole marketcap. It seems to be a little too much at this time.))

You can take the offer on Stellar, and you can pm me here to exchange the coins to the coins on Horizon. Or simple pm me. Escrow not simple, because it is not more a popular coin, but we can exchange the amounts with small amounts - as i.e. coinfeine do it. We can use i.e. OByte ledger and the simple smart contract possibilities there, and you can send me GBYTE's against the transferred coins on the Horizon blockchain.

Maybe if we get a bigger community, we can restart Horizon better. (( This group, which is behind this 'Galactic Millieu' game, isn't too much trust-able, should I say. ))

I think a new node should have some millions of coins, if the admin would like to feel - it is forging the chain. Below 3 - 5 millions coin, I think, it is more harder to forge it and more harder to see a result.

What is Your offer, Sir?

I have created a STELLAR market for HZ/I0C I0C/HZ swaps:

https://interstellar.exchange/app/#/trade/./I0C/GBHAQ252S4Z4AQOM4BWIRC3UHAOJIKCZQBUJGD336YH2O7W2NKRXMHA5/HZ/GBHAQ252S4Z4AQOM4BWIRC3UHAOJIKCZQBUJGD336YH2O7W2NKRXMHA5

Price is 1.000000 HZ per ~0.06 I0C. Anyone selling I0C tokens for HZ tokens on STELLAR?

You can have my IP. I trust all of you. I don't care. I think you all run nodes just like me in this meta game. Maybe we need a meta like file (like .TOML) or something to show where Horizon comes from... Or where its locally stored on each of our own accounts =P I dunno.

I suppose Poloniex escrow@poloniex Polonidex still takes from this network as a web based exchange and I suppose locked threads or delisted KYC exchanges might make certain versions of HZ software we use not readable forwards and backwards but if we all just admit we're in this together and CORs (Cross Origin Resource sharing) between a HZ/BTC pair exists... I mean just click the link still active over the web browser and TCP/IP and see where it forwards you:

https://www.poloniex.com/exchange/#btc_hz

I've said this so many times. It's a waiting game. I am sure there are easter eggs, or bootstraps, or tip bots we could use somewhere. Or perhaps we already have - and that's why my local app data for Keybase's desktop app is always part of the nhz.log file in my roaming folder on Windows everytime I start up my Horizon Server. Sharing is caring

So either lets all ADMIT what this actually is. Or lets all help Dan figure out how to be more productive in helping other normies from "the planet known as earth" find opportunities they just cannot accept to exist.

IFINTA: Give me some info about what OS you use, what software you're running and I will try and answer even though you are a fellow character in this game and I am probably just amusing you by posting my offer to help lol

It was a failure to forge Horizon with 12 500 000 HZ? ((I transferred a little more also to my server, but it shouldn't yet count in the forging amount, I think))
As always - last times - I think, Horizon chain was forked to quickly. I stopped my server.
Me seems lfm.knotwork.com and ufbsh.no-ip.org should be restarted also.
Any hints?

yes

Are you the creator of the fork of hz-source used in Raf's medium article?

Ah yes. Being off web exchanges with your native currency but working in the background as "the" platform could be quite lucrative if such native coins were in - escrow@[somewhere?] 

I created a telegram since no one else has yet. Figured I'd grab the address before anyone else did in case the admins or people who develop this project want to take it over. For now great place for community in addition to discord For now I am the admin but I'd be happy to hand it over when the wizards come out of the shadows and admit their creation. I just run a Java server/node and use the platform from my own local hosted wallet.

https://t.me/horizonplatform

I joined also - to forge Horizon...

Thanks for the kind words! I didn't do much really. Just saw that STELLAR was getting all the attention and HORIZON was left a bit out.
Hoped, maybe, that a guide could introduce new or curious people to the platform.

After all, curiosity can be very profitable sometimes

First of all, thank you for actively trying to help people get up and running in this topic! Seems a little lonely here

Second, I do have those in my conf. And a few other addresses I found from a Wizard's web UI.

Let's just say this guy might be the first WINDOWS user to successfully download the complete Horizon blockchain as well as actively run a Java server while forging blocks from his own locally hosted UI

I just wish more people understood but its devs and community members like you that help people like me realize the value is as (secretly) strong on this platform as it is in the humanity of these devs/business figureheads who get constantly shit on in the media. Perhaps that protects the chain from self centrists. And maybe I'll never get a USD value out of HZ that one would think worthwhile to put in the effort. But I will run this server forever, so long as I can maintain it. It was the most challenging experience in setting it up - but I learned so much and persistence paid off. At least in what I find valuable.

I had the same problem syncing it for the first time. Have you tried adding these to the config file?
nhz.defaultPeers=lfm.knotwork.com; ufbsh.no-ip.org
nhz.wellKnownPeers=lfm.knotwork.com; ufbsh.no-ip.org
nhz.minNumberOfKnownPeers=1
nhz.minNumberOfForkConfirmations=1

Don't know if that's is the best solution but it worked for me the first time. The nodes I set up are currently offline. Will get one up once I can.

Unfortunately I have tried version 5.2, 5.3, 5.4 of the Java client. I am updated to Java 8. My firewall allows TCP connections for 7774 and 7776 and I'm still getting a message that I am finished downloading the blockchain using the nodes mentioned all over these Horizon threads... Everytime around 25% of the blocks have downloaded and then done. It won't start again if I restart and exec run.bat. I'm using Windows 10 and would really love to run my own node since I just bought another 5,200+ HZ tokens on STELLAR and sent them to knotwork on keybase to exchange for blockchain coins. Just being responsible. What if LFM.knotwork.com:7776 disappears? I want to support the network

If I could merit you I would! Thanks for sharing just saw today!

Been using mine to buy the various assets MarkM listed on HORIZON platform but I do have 30 or so HZ left

Also, I'm happy to share I finally got this thing running and downloading blocks on Windows 10! Before paper wallets and MarkM's hosted web UI gateway got me access to Horizon. I'm glad I finally figured out how to get it to sync and not stall

Considering doing a tutorial to help others. What a great great project to run a node for

Anyone out there still holding HZ and wanting to sell some? Asking for a friend...

HORIZON (HZ) IS still running!

HOW-TO GUIDE:
https://medium.com/@Raf21/horizon-hz-a-how-to-guide-bda4e415819a

Nodes currently active:

lfm.knotwork.com
ufbsh.no-ip.org
157.245.160.26
192.214.140.198
157.245.138.247

Hi markm,

not to be snarky, but I believe VirWox could be a reason that decimals tend to be a bit of a problem when trying to create more than one currency using a decimal point.  In Nova Scotia, I'm sure you are used to using "." whereas over in French Canada it is common to use "," (comma). I found out up to 75 countries uses commas, with some not using decimal point or decimal comma seperators at all. For instance, Sierra Leonean Leones use "Cents" as a subdivision, just meaning one hundred cents make up one (ISO 4217) "SLL"... SLL happens to be used by the Paypal to Virwox "SLL" (Second Life Linden) trade which is a common way people get PayPal deposits onto an exchange (VirWox is a virtual currency exchange) for BTC, which they can exchange for their SLL. Perhaps the HORIZON network knows this since Stellar/IBM World Wire use ISO 4217 codes already. Therefore, whatever currency you created with a "decimal point" is likely "the" decimal point currency in HORIZON platform's mind.  I would assume HORIZON communicates with enough API to help relay info from IBM World Wire to Stellar.

Then again, I'm just a noob. Maybe try using a "," for other currencies to as the decimal point. If you want 0.0001 BTC/(any "currency" - money in circulation) try 0,0001.  If none else works, consider 100 stroops is a denomination of XLM and used on Horizon already as well since it communicates with both horizon.stellar.org and the testnet.stellar.org (or whatever the stellar or horizon testnet site is).

Maybe VirWox trading SLL as a virtual currency for "real life" currency such as EUR and USD as seen on virwox.com is the problem here.

The three latest virwox updates are pretty sporadic but with one around the time of some chaos within AXIOM splitting from the Milieu in part and HZ seemingly "abandoned" but kept alive as part of the Milieu maybe some of these VirWox changes and future actions mean something:

HZ can now be traded on the Stellar network.

See http://makemoney.knotwork.com/stellar/

-MarkM-

Someone created a "Discord" for HORIZON, here is an invite link: https://discord.gg/CG4n5MQ

-MarkM-

Well I managed to make my minimalist change take effect (by killing and restarting my browser), only to discover that they are not relying just on preventing you from typing in decimals; there are also further checks so although my change let me type in some decimals for HZ price of an asset that itself has 8 decimals, I was on submission of the form told there was an error in the input.

So I don't think I am going to persevere with the change, in case there are all kinds of places checking this, like maybe it could check when creating blocks, or when transmitting transactions, or gosh knows where else.

I am just going to assume they must have good reasons for the restriction, and avoid making assets with 8 decimals in future even if the asset is intended to represent coins that normally, on their own blockchains, do have 8 decimals.

In the meantime this does mean cheap coins will run into problems more and more as their price falls toward the price of a HZ, and the HORIZON platform will cease to be useful for actually doing non-manual trading of them when they are worth less than a HZ.

For now what the heck folks can always go ahead and use the STELLAR platform instead for such assets if they want to use an automated market rather than just do manual trades with trusted partners by sending them something and being sent something in return.

(The spot markets are so far mostly used just as a way for folks to easily get a few HZ to pay fees with anyway, by trying to keep some small buy offers in place for each asset so when folks get their assets on the HORIZON platform they can sell one or a few for a few HZ to get them started; really most actual trading takes place manually, generally by consulting the current prices shown at http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/latestrates.inc and adjusting for whatever markup or markdown the parties agree to and for any drift they feel may exist between the "latest rates" when they were calculated and the current state of the actual, possibly quite volatile, markets.)

A bit of a pity maybe for players who do not like the idea of having to commit ten STELLAR Lumens per trust line in order to trade on the STELLAR platform, but then again once you have committed that the actual transaction fees on the STELLAR network look like they could be a lot cheaper than the 1 HZ fee on HORIZON, depending of course how expensive a whole Lumen gets to be and how cheap a single HZ turns out to be.

I guess it is a bit of a pity for DeVCoin too since it means it will take longer for us to be able to get around to starting to try to get folks to actually buy DeVCoins in order to pay debts that are denominated in DeVCoins. (Currently because DeVCoins are so cheap compared to the size of the debts typically we just let folks pay in some other currency by looking up the current price in DeVCoins of the asset they want to pay with in the above-mentioned "Latest Rates" include-file, which has had the unfortunate result of allowing the vast amount of DeVCoin-denominated debt to not actually cause the price of DeVCoin to increase.)

-MarkM-

sorry, I can't remember off hand right now- the information does exist somewhere, though.
there were very lively discussions about decimals in the NXT community.

I was not an NXT core dev (no java), but I wrote a bunch of apps in python using the NXT API and I also issued a bunch of assets.
most of them testing assets on the Phoenix blockchain.

all too long ago to remember details- you can trawl the old NXT forum for info on this, I am sure the discussions are there, or you could ask on the ARDOR slack, the devs are still there, and also some old timers.

https://nxtforum.org
https://ardornxt.slack.com (invite should be on NXT forum or ARDOR forum, or in ARDOR thread here)

my personal recommendation would be to start with a fresh blockchain for your own purposes if it is feasible for you,
the code has matured considerably since then (HZ is very old codebase) and you won't have the ballast of HZ
- but maybe just continuing HZ blockchain could be a neat and lean way of doing it also, if you can keep it going

Does NXT have this weird thing about the decimals?

You do get warned when creating an asset that it is best to use 2 to 6 decimals, but it does not tell you WHY, and since normal bitcoin-tye coins all have 8 decimals I naturally used 8 for tokens representing such coins.

I am trying to decide what to do now; I could issue duplicate assets but with less decimals, or I could find out how to make my attempted change go into effect, or I could maybe even just start from scratch with a new blockchain with a fresh new clone of the latest NXT or somesuch code...

I am wondering whether just going ahead with my change would be a good idea or lead to compounding series of math errors or something.

The DISTRIBUTION of HZ was nice, the way anyone could get some when they started it just by running a node.

If I started from a fresh new empty blockchain the game would start with all the coins, which could have advantages but might not be viewed favourably by the players.

-MarkM-

Nice use case for an abandoned NXT clone!

I was involved with the other NXT clone that merged with HZ - forget the name right now, had a Phoenix logo (may have been called 'Phoenix', cant remember), but it was a community takeover of another NXT clone ICO exit scam, hence the name...
HZ itself was a shady deal, the lead guy (not dev) Pizpie is a slimy scamming weasel w/o any tech competence, and he took over another failed NXT clone (NHZ, New Horizon), renamed it to HZ and just tried to latch on to that creepy Bitnation scheme, but that seems to have evaporated too  
in any case, NXT is solid tech, and it is a cute move to use it for gaming stuff!

I tracked that "Fractions not allowed" problem all the way to html/ui/js/nrs.assetexchange.js

In there it sets the number of decimals for everything except quantity to 8 minus the number of decimals in the quantity.

That means it is only assets that have 8 decimals themselves that do not allow any decimals in the price-in-HZ field.

Of course most coins do have 8 decimals, so thgis glitch prevents most coins from having a price less than 1 HZ as well as preventing them from having a price per coin that has decimals in HZ.

Maybe the coder was thinking you are inputting the price per quantity rather than the price per unit for each unit of the given quantity or something like that.

However, I tried changing 8 minus decimals to just 8, and even after restarting the server nothing changed.

So it looks like maybe that .js script file is not actually loaded when a browser hits the page but, rather, is somehow cached or accumulated somewhere so that my new copy did not actually go into effect. Maybe some part of the build process to build the server bundles all those .js files into one place or some other such thing that means the actual .js file I modified is not live but needs to be compiled in or incorporated into something during the build process or something.

I did refresh my browser tab and log in again after restarting the server to try to ensure it was not my browser somehow retaining the unmodified .js script.

So my progress so far is I think I know what I need to change but I have not discovered how to make my change actually go into effect.

-MarkM-

Great, thanks!

I realised that because my dvcstable01.dvcnode.org server also runs my LFM.knotwork.com website, the HORIZON node on that machine is configured to announce itself as LFM.knotwork.com instead of as dvcstable01.dvcnode.org; and I am not sure whether that causes problems for folks who just add dvcstable01, dvcstable02 and dvcstable06 on the dvcnode.org domain, especially with dvcstable02 and dvcstable06 being offline nowadays.

By the way I have noticed that the buy and sell offers do not let you use fractions in the price (in HZ coins).

This is a big problem for coins such as DeVCoin (DVC) which probably tends to be cheaper than HZ is.

On DeVCoin's thread we are considering issuing a DeVCoin bounty to get that fixed.

It kind of seems likely to be dead simple to do, probably just removing the popup that pops up when you try to type a period (decimal point) or comma into the price field; but its been a few years now since I last had a java development environment set up and familiarity with how to build with it so the fact that even if I made the probably trivial change I would then have to build the thing means it might take me a while to ever get around to doing it myself.

I am thinking it is probably trivial because (1) you can send HZ to people using eight decimal places; and (2) HORIZON is a clone of NXT and I am pretty sure NXT lets you use fractions of a NXT in prices, though I do not actually have NXT installed anymore. (I looked at it back when choosing a platform, but chose HORIZON and STELLAR rather than NXT and Ripple because they were cheaper to use and because Ripple didn't even have a real client anymore as far as I could tell, becoming a centralised big-brother know-your-customer anti-terrorism pawn of the establishment whereas STELLAR you can actually use the way the original Ripple (whose name the new Ripple folks bought) was intended, that is, to trade arbitrary IOUs among friends. (Like, IOU dinner, you owe me five beers, she owes us a drive, or whatever arbitrary IOUs friends want to invent and trade amongst themselves.)

-MarkM-

I managed to sync my client. To help you:


1) Edit (or create) the file: %appdata%\Horizon\conf\nhz.properties

(for instance: C:\Users\__YOURUSERNAME__\AppData\Roaming\Horizon\conf\nhz.properties )

2) Add this:

nhz.defaultPeers=lfm.knotwork.com; nhz.woll-e.net; crossciv.no-ip.org; nhz.ydns.eu

3) Restart the client.

Quite some time ago, when I first tried to use the "Currencies" feature of HORIZON, I managed to create just a few currencies then after that no matter what I tried to name a currency the system always rejected it as already in use.

I thus continued inputting the coins and shares the game uses, and only just now have I finally gotten around to actually trying to use one of the currencies that I did manage to create.


I tried exchanges and offers, and they just do not seem to work. Each account is seeing only its own buy or sell inputs, none of anyone else's, no matching is happening.

So basically it looks like currencies are totally broken.

So I am now going to have to re-issue the things that I had managed to issue as currencies, making them as assets instead.

I suppose this is just as well actually since breaking up your holdings into separate categories, assets vs currencies, is a bit awkward anyway.

If players run a HORIZON node, it is a good idea to include at least dvcstable01.dvcnode.org, dvcstable2.dvcnode.org and dvcstable06.dvcnode.org as well known nodes, to ensure you manage to get onto the same network as the rest of the players. (It is unfortunately true that only one of those is actually on line right now but hopefully they will be coming back online eventually.)

The source code that I and most other players that I am away of run is available for download inside my http://LFM.knotwork.com site, and the pages I am building about assets, both those implemented on HORIZON and those implemented on STELLAR, are on my http://MakeMoney.knotwork.com site.

Pages of historical prices of assets are still those at http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/digitalisassets.html (it calls them Open Transactions assets but we are migrating from Open Transactions to HORIZON and STELLAR).

Wiki pages about the game start at http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=galactic_milieu though I am not positive all the pages about the game can be reached following links from article to article; all the pages I authored are listed under my username on that wiki, which is knotwork.

Keep in mind that it is a game, and even maybe currently still somewhat closer to being a prototype for a game than an actual finished product game.

Basically the focus of development has been forced more and more into economics, using free open source components to weave together a multiverse whose economics might hopefully eventually enable the game to be able to finance development of such modifications and "glue" as might be ideally desired to make all the components work together more smoothly, and eventually to start serious work on a fully immersive virtual reality interface into the game multiverse.

-MarkM-

This is a  good old coin.

I can help in creating a new website.

I would like to know more about the project, as well as what happened to him. Who are the people who interfere with its development? Does the esteemed developer have a worthy team that is able to further develop the project? What further plans?

Can you tell us more about upcoming projects? I wanted to know more about white paper

I read the information above and it looks like a comprehensive project, I hope to invest it a little bit. A lot of potential is here for these project

Just to know - I created earlier a fork of horizon sources

https://github.com/ifinta/hz-source

Just to save this useful information...

thank you .

I posted some nodes here,
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.30640686

http://nhz.ydns.eu have an public wallet

Is there a Web Horizon wallet still available? if you can share the link to the web wallet, I'd truly appreciate that!

Is this a revival of an old coin?

Thanks in advance for the answer ...

Please revive the Hz coin
We love to this on exchange

Hey, Mark!

Any news regarding HZ takeover/revive?

I began using HORIZON for game currencies and assets, and was in midst of porting them over from Open Transactions when HORIZON's thread was locked and it was no longer lkisted on any exchanges that I know of.

For game purposes it is actually kind of ideal that the game is now the main user of the platform, as maybe it will make it less likely that folks will forget that these currencies and assets are part of or associated with a game.

I was one of the developers of DeVCoin, and had implemented the "big seven" galactic currencies before that, before any other altcoin except possibly namecoin; I implemented them by making for each of them a bitcoin client whose testnet support had been modified to run the new currency instead of the testnet, so that each nation or Corp could have a bitcoin client that could simply by setting a commandline switch be used for their own new currency.

Eventually, even with merged mining coming along, it was realised that securing a blockchain with Proof of Work is insanely expensive, so we migrated the currencies to Open Transactions; now we are migrating to HORIZON.

I also created GRouPcoin, initially as something to modify and play with to try out ways we might approach what we wanted for DeVCoin, but once DeVCoin was finalised we modified GRouPcoin back to a simple bitcoin-clone that just keeps minting 50 coins per block forever instead of having periodic halving. When we migrated the other galactic coins to Open Transactions we left GRouPcoin as a blockchain to serve as a kind of weather-vane or canary-in-the-mine to see whether, given merged mining, securing a proof of work chain might actually be feasible, so that if it turned out that it was we could migrate the other galactic currencies back to being blockchains; but so far it is still not looking good for GRouPcoin as a "secure" blockchain.

-MarkM-

Hi, @markm
is this  coin a old one? So what 's your role played in this coin project? a  bagholder or a developer,or  just a supporter?

The old ANN thread for HORIZON (HZ) was https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--823785 but it was locked.

As of this writing HZ is not listed on any exchanges as far as I know.

However the HORIZON network is still working and still in use, in particular it is in use by the Galactic Milieu.

As well as this new ANN thread, a Discussion thread for HORIZON (HZ) has been created at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--2197970

There are a few little glitches that have been discovered in the course of actually using HORIZON, those and the fixing of them will be discussed in the discussion thread.

In particular it has been observed that after creating a few currencies it became impossible to create the remaining items the Milieu needed as currencies so it was necessary to create them in the form of assets instead.

Then when we attempted to transfer some quantities of assets using the eight decimals the assets had been defined as having, it was discovered that the system did not recognise the values as numbers; it turns out that somehow the client ignores or changes the locale you run it under and wants a comma instead of a period as decimal-separator.

Please do not clutter this thread with posts about such things, the discussion thread has been created for that purpose.

I see the old announcement thread has been vandalised as well as locked; so you might want to join my site http://LFM.knotwork.com/ for links and/or downloads of the coin clients and servers I actually use, including the HORIZON that I am actually using.

-MarkM-