Topic: [ANN] SECOND LIFE COIN [SL] - Decentralized Help Community & Foundation (Read 519 times)

This is correct. Imagine if every country had its own patent laws, how would that work on a global level? It wouldn't.

You are incorrect. Turkey is part of the Berne Convention therefore is protected copyright.

https://www.wipo.int/treaties/en/notifications/berne/treaty_berne_230.html

I think you mis-understand the law Secondlifecoin....

http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Intellectual_Property

Nearly 180 countries have ratified a treaty – the Berne Convention, administered by the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) – that sets a minimum set of standards for the protection of the rights of the creators of copyrighted works around the world.

https://www.wipo.int/treaties/en/ip/berne/summary_berne.html

Turkey is one of the 180 countries. https://www.wipo.int/treaties/en/notifications/berne/treaty_berne_230.html

How will I know if my business name, when used with "SL" or "inSL," is confusingly similar to a Linden Lab trademark, domain name, product, or service?

Even if you use your own word mark or name with two or more generic nouns, you must also make sure that the resulting name with "SL" or "inSL" is not confusingly similar to a Linden Lab trademark, domain name, product, or service. Our trademarks are listed here (https://secondlife.com/corporate/brand/trademark/tm_chart.php), and our products and services include our virtual world platform, tools, and scripting language, our virtual currency services, virtual land services, in-world content, and informational resources in-world, on our website, or anywhere else. The Guidelines illustrate this rule with specific examples of names that are confusingly similar and are not OK.

If you're using generic nouns, you're more likely to avoid a confusingly similar name if you choose a noun combination that's distinctive, rather than just descriptive of your business, product, or service. For example, do not use descriptive names like "SL Avatar Clothing" or "Avatar Skin inSL," which could be confused with the default avatar clothing and skin provided by Linden Lab upon registration. Instead, use something more distinctive like "SL Avatar Indispensables," "Avatar Radiance inSL," or "SL Style Points." You get the idea. The more fanciful or arbitrary, the better.

Why can't I register my business name combined with "SL" or "inSL" as a trademark or a business name?

The Guidelines prohibit registration (as a trademark, service mark or business or organization name) of any name combined with "SL" or "inSL." You cannot register the name in full because it includes our trademarks "SL" or "inSL," which represent our business and product, the Second Life virtual world.

However, you may seek registration of the portion that is your name and does not include "SL" or "inSL." Before choosing any generic noun combination for your name, you may wish to consult an attorney for legal advice on registering it as a trademark or business name. Linden Lab cannot provide you with that advice.

Why are there restrictions on the kinds of businesses and activities with which I can associate a business name with "SL" or "inSL"? How will I know if my business or activity falls within a prohibited category?

The Guidelines for Using SL™ or inSL™ limit how "SL" and "inSL" may be used in order to preserve the value of those trademarks for Linden Lab and the Second Life community. Like the inSL logo, "SL" or "inSL" may not be used with names for businesses, organizations, products, services, websites, or activities that are not suitable for a General rating or are inconsistent with our Terms of Service or Community Standards. Again, the General standard is one that's familiar to the Second Life community. However, if you're uncertain whether your business or activity falls within a prohibited category in the Guidelines, you should use your own brand names without "SL" or "inSL" or any Linden Lab trademarks.

The above found on:

https://secondlife.com/corporate/brand/faq.php#faq22

I state this because your logo is "SL".


Also special consideration of the wording is to be noted:  "...we've given you special permission to show the association of your business or organization with the Second Life virtual world by using "SL" or "inSL" with your business or organization name, product or service name..."

You can use trademark "SL" to SHOW ASSOCIATION with SECOND LIFE VIRTUAL WORLD.

Your business can use "SL" (i.e. Second Life Coin) IF related/associated with the SL™ Virtual World. Unfortunately your Second Life Coin has no association with SL™ Virtual World.



And just to reiterate:


"...you may seek registration of the portion that is your name and does not include "SL" or "inSL." Before choosing any generic noun combination for your name, you may wish to consult an attorney for legal advice on registering it as a trademark or business name. Linden Lab cannot provide you with that advice".

However, your company is also called "Second Life Coin" and this is deemed not authorised to use:


Examples on what is not OK to use according to SL™ Virtual World. As you can see, you cannot use this name.

https://secondlife.com/corporate/brand/trademark/unauthorized.php

Why would anyone use photoshop in the first place if that person has nothing to hide, especially considering the use case they pretend to have here.

An 8 seconds video is not enough its not even an explanation and not enough for an introduction.  

You should research first about your project, its an ICO and you should do more study before jumping in to the ICO craze. Now you have been tagged negatively and there's no coming back from that.

What documents, what videos, what donation? And most of all, why would I decide to make a donation? Who will donate to me? From my brief research, more and more projects jump on this stupid stereotyped bandwagon. Everyone aims to work out a solution to global poverty or how to combat it in a decentralized way. Well what will happen when US dollar, the most long lasting scam pulled by a single govt during the past centuries, suddenly devalues and collapses so as to increase foreign dept 10 fold, to 219 trillion? What about the consequences of this for the world economy? U have no fucking idea what poverty is but u are soon to discover what its like.

It might be photoshop but that means is not they are a scammer and the last comment shows us they are a real person.

Here are the videos of the President of Second Life Coin, Candas Caloglu and the Vice President of Second Life Coin, Cetin Sonmez:

https://youtu.be/jZNnTTbuNHM

https://youtu.be/DwkZEEtIpXg


Here is our Marketing Executive, Beck Musoev's another recent taken picture:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/a9163j01rc7f7de/Beck%20Musoev.jpeg?dl=0


You can find out copyright paper we got from Turkish Ministty of Industry and Technology:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/whom4rjne5xkmzz/T%C3%BCrk%20Patent%20%C3%87evrimi%C3%A7i%20Ara%C5%9Ft%C4%B1rma%20Uygulamas%C4%B1%20_%20Ho%C5%9Fgeldiniz.._.pdf?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/2q4wjqscd8a7a3g/Sanayi_ve_Teknoloji_Patent.jpg?dl=0



Since we are new to Bitcointalk, we are not quite sure how to create an image with the link or a video so we added all the details that our potential investors/donators asked for earlier.  Hope these information help to all that we are NOT a scam project.



P.S. I am kindly asking my friends to remove their negative messages and topic about us.  Hope all is well now.



Thank you once again,

Candas Caloglu
President of Second Life Coin

It could imply the impossibility that this will ever make us a penny! That's because nobody expects any return in their second life! And that is because nobody believes in a second life in the first place!

Its not too late to turns thing around in your favor, Grab your cellphone camera and create a video explaining things about your photoshop team.

Its actually the easiest solution to your problem instead of creating a new photo with your team.

About owning the copyright trade mark of second life in turkey you should have it before you even launch, its a known internet brand and a simple research could have prevented it.

OK then, wish you luck on your topic.  I told you we were ready to prove that our project was not scam.  I do not know what you are trying to do by opening a new topic.  I guess you have an expectation by opening a new topic about us other than discussing this situation here.

Hello Mr. Caloglu,

We didnt accuse your project of a scam yet. We only stated facts about your team being photoshopped.

We opened this thread here and we can discuss more over there.



https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/secondlifecoin-suspicious-project-with-photoshopped-team-members-5134851

Thank you.

Hello ICOEthics,

First of all, my name's Candas CALOGLU and I'm the President & Founding Partner of Second Life coin.  I would like to say that, on these pics, we wanted to seem without casual clothes by reason of respect of our donators/investors and corporate infrastructure and that is why we selected this way.  As a matter of fact, we did not think that this would end up using the SCAM word for our project and it really made us sad.  We are always ready to prove every team member of Second Life Coin is real person/name.  Their names and faces are real.  We understand your concerns about yourself and other people and we apologise for making you think that way.  We will add original pics of Cetin SONMEZ and Beck MUSOEV.   

Secondly, Cetin SONMEZ and I had first met on GapiCoin.  I was the Business development Manager of the coin.  By time, two of us decided to publish our own project and got permission from the owner and started our own journey.  Neither he is, nor I am somehow working in that project anymore.  We are totally focused on our Second Life Coin project.



As I mentioned, none of our team is fake.  We are ready to prove it at anytime.  I remember that we had a conversation about the copyright issue.  Right after that, I requested the copyright paper that we have from The Republic of Turkey culture and Tourism Ministry and I will get the paper within this week.  I will share it with you.



Well, our project and the other ones are probably different in some points.  We are more focusing on helping needy people asap.  That is why we even did not put bigger amounts of soft and hard caps.  Let people choose their charity coin.  One come us, another one go for another charity coin.  At the end, every charity will be helping people in need.



Yes.  As I mentioned above my team members should have taken normal pics but please consider this; every attempt has a rookie period.  If one makes a mistake, he/she will be much more experienced.  That is our situation at the moment.





Once again, we are sad and sorry for making you think we are scam.  We are not for sure.  We can grow up with your support so that is what me and my team are asking for.  Your constructive criticism and knowing that you are on our side will make us reach our dreams for needy people at a shorter period of time. 



On behalf of my team with all love and respect,

Candas CALOGLU

Oh, no, these photos are terrible, couldn’t the team could take a picture of them normally? This is not a very serious approach, and it is very similar to scam.

We just found a few more images of  Çetin SÖNMEZ. It appears that he or someone, like to play with photoshop. Try again!!!




Office=FAKE



https://pxhere.com/es/photo/844240

Clothes=FAKE



https://www.pngfly.com/png-786o2s/

I mean, pretty obvious from teh start tbh. Besides this is a really bad time to launch a charity coin. Theres so many out there already and many charities already accept crypto so most people will go with the reputable ones anyway.

So they are not just using a copyright trademark of other company but also possibly having a fake team on their team page.

I guess once everything is clear and the truth comeout, There will no more SecondChance for them.

I am keeping tab on them and waiting for their answer regarding owning the copyright of secondlife trademark in Turkey.

Hello Team,

We have a few questions:

1 - Is Beck Musoev (Marketing Executive) a real person/name? With so many new computer-generated images and so many people stealing other people's identities, it is hard to differentiate nowadays, especially when the image is obviously fake, like in his case. There are many people using this same suit. (bad photoshop job by the way)

Can you provide a video of him wearing the same suit and tie?







2 - Çetin SÖNMEZ (Vice President & Founding Partner) - What happened to the other project that he is the "CEO & Director General" - Gapicoin?

Not quite. The rights for trademark can be for 1 country, a region, or entire world. In last case, there is no difference where you've registered same trademark, because you are not its owner.

We are not related with any kind of computer game named Second Life.  Our aim is to help humanity; reach as many needy people as possible all around the world and be their voice.  Name of the coin is maybe the second or next issue for us.  Bitcoin, Bitcoin Gold, Bitcoin Diamond and so...  They have similar names but they are different coins and they even have different goals.  As long as we can help as many people as possible and make them smile even a bit with our project, we will find ourselves successful enough since all we have been doing is for them.  So PLEASE, let's talk about our project content other than name similarity of a game and our project since our project is not a game.  We are happy to help you about our project detail questions or suggestions.  Thank you !

It could create a misrepresentation that this coin is for SecondLife virtual game, The same reason why we cannot launch a google coin, facebook coin, twitter coin. it doesnt matter if the trademark law is different in their country, But using the name of a known brand is not a good way to start a project.

The best thing you can do is change the name a bit, i mean it wont most likely get rekt by the copyright issue as you could possibly argue that the product is different so it wont matter.
Doing charity is a good thing and block chain is excellent for it, but the main issue with your product remains and that is the issue of trust. Maybe its better to start off by supporting already known projects and build from that ?

You clearly don't understand how a registered trademark and wordmark works.

Can you share the documents that you registered and own the secondlife trade mark in your home country turkey?

I do not know, what do you think?



Every country's brand patent firms and laws are different.  There are 42 regulations for every sector in Turkey if I am not wrong and every company has to fulfill the regulations in its region in order to be able to say that brand is mine. Our brand's name is 'secondlifecoin' and brand name taken in a different country stays in that country.

I also thought the project is about the secondlife game until i checked it out, i think the dev need to modify the name of the project a little to differ from that of the reknown secondlife game, the copyright problem may not come right now but it will surely appear when you have gained popularity and it shall hunt down your project.
A word is enough for the wise.

Then you are using their trademark without permission, Anytime your website could be shutdown and their lawyers can hunt you down for copyright infringement.

You can further refer to this page: https://secondlife.com/corporate/brand/trademark/unauthorized.php

Is this coin implying that there is something coming that takes place when we are dying?

No Sir, we are not related to any other website.  Our official website is one:


https://www.secondlifecoin.org

Is this coin related to the Online virtual world of SecondLife?

Based on their website Second Life, (SL) is part of their trademark and no one can use them without permission

You can refer on this article for more details: https://secondlife.com/corporate/brand/trademark/index.php

Information about Algorithm and Technical Specifications are written on our Whitepaper.  



We will use our own platform after ICO process and we will have our own coin instead of starting to the journey as a token.  Well, we have our own ideas (most of them are stated on our website and whitepaper) and I do not exactly know what gohelp aims to do in the future.  If you want to have some information about our team behind the project, you can simply look for our website.



What we really want is to be useful to needy people; help them as much as we can.  Blockchain is a platform that brings people together as you know.  What we aim is that we want to give all humanity an opportunity to help people instantly and secure.



65% Help pool is not related with mining.  There will not be any mining.  What we mean about pool is the coins or fiat collected on our platform.  It is a fund pool.



We thank you all so much for giving us importance and making your comments for SL Coin.  Our team will consider all your positive criticisms.  

im really happy if this portion can be allocated, i can build mining pool but no detail information about POW, algorithm supply etc. and where i can see the source code. if this coin building to mineable, why you running crowdfunding 

Im pretty sure people wont fall for it. You might ask why not?? Well that is because we have seen way too many second-life coins already. The only way this will gain any traction if there is an announcement posted on the original games page and actively pushed by those devs. (i added this part because SL is a well known game, having the same name will be seen as an attempt to mooch of its fame)

Is your fundraising plattform like that of gofund? Provide more information about the team behind the project and the coin or token (Nobody know if your project uses coin or generate token)

What coin is this? Algo, specifications?

According to The United Nations Report, in 2014, there were 724 million people worldwide struggling with starvation. Today, this number has increased to 821 million people; this means that 1 out of 9 people are suffering around us. Well, is this the fate of humanity?  Of course not! The solution is in Second Life Coin that aims to make the quiet ones heard  worldwide.  How is this possible?  No matter where you are in the world, you can instantly make a donation to a person who needs your help far away with Blockchain technology -  it provides the platform to make it possible to deliver your donations in a safe manner. Once donations are made, you will receive official documentation, including legal receipts, photographs and videos.

Second Life will deliver donations to these people in need without any discrimination of belief, language or race, in a safe manner with the help of its team named Hope Envoys. Hope Envoys will be in regions where the people in need are and will work in coordination with local Non-Governmental Organizations and the countries' related official institutions.  Thus, the needs of our people will be met a bit and their silent screams will be heard by many more wealthy individuals using social media.

Being their voice, showing ourselves that we are one of them, embracing them with heart bond will make them feel better.  In time, the Second Life Coin family will grow up and be active in new fields such as health and education by creating donation categories.

If you want to be a part of our family and make as many needy human beings as happy as possible, follow us. Don't forget; we are powerful when we share and disappear when we are divided.






The entire blockchain system we use contains new and proven technologies.  In the changing and developing world, we are open not only to technology's needs, but to people's needs as well.  Providing solutions to these issues and leaving a livable world are as part of our duties.  Every day, we primarily practice field analysis in order to make sure that the funds that make it possible for reaching millions of needy people in the most correct manner.  We create projects and programs right after determining needs correctly; distribute basic food packages, pharmaceutical and hygiene kit; open water wells; send voluntary medical personnel to increase the local capacity; provide equipment support to the hospitals.  We also watch for improving local capacity and sustainability so as to reach more people day by day and maintain the quality of provided services.  This is possible by ensuring the continuity of funds.









Second Life Coin perform its own activities substantially by way of the revenues coming from purchased coins & individual donators and some of its funds via corporate sponsorship & national/international grants.