Topic: [ANN] Voyager Park | by Hodler Enterprises | DIVIDENDS WITH REAL WORLD ASSETS (Read 841 times)

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@AmoreJaz:

A large part from the income comes through our Altilly Exchange.
All other projects are still in development. Qredit is already being used by several businesses.

in all honesty, are your other businesses generating income? have seen several threads of your projects but seems that you are not really getting much attention from the forum. though we dont know whats really going on behind those doors.
 do you have big whales on board to sustain all those businesses? you need backup somehow to get all these on top of things...

I agree with this, they should secure necessary permits even from Environmental Office of that particular area because usually that's the bottleneck of implementation. You really need to work with them in order to construct this kind of park. There's more than meets the eye here. The dev team should show some proofs that they are working on this government permits and other regulatory bodies before assuring that they can construct this park.

Do you have approval from the authorities for this? If not what will happen to the money you received if the authorities do not approve eg. there is a forest in the zone on the picture you posted.

I think that should be a default component of that community. First Aid assistance should always be there as this park might be far from real clinic or hospital. They should create a separate section of this in the park where holiday users can always go to in case they need one.

In Voyage Park, in addition to these services offered, if at any given time the user needs health assistance, in the camp there will be a cabin for first aid?

I have noticed that those igloos from where you can actually see the northern lights are very popular on the internet. I'm definitely going to visit it once it goes fully operational. The ROI is pretty high, but I don't doubt it as you can't have these kind of experiences anywhere in the world. Great place to visit if with family or spouse and I love the fact that it's in a quiet place. I've noticed that where is mostly winter/cold the atmosphere is more peaceful and you can really contemplate on your life. I'm watching this project closely.

That's the point, we are not promising ANY guaranteed returns in the crypto scene.

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Yes, please check our other businesses and projects.

For the clients that are going to access our park, please read a little more on this page: http://www.highcoastinvest.com/investment/dolorem-totam

It will tell you a little more about the region where we are established.

that roi chart is sketchy as fuk that shit would make a UK ponzi blush
tbh, promising ANY guaranteed returns in the crypto scene is a red flag usually, there's just too many uncontrollable factors here
no thanks from me, but good luck on your projects i guess

the roi chart is very attractive for investors but what will happen in reality is totally different! if you are a potential investor, you need to check their other businesses and assess on your own if this chart will have the chance to be real. dont jump on whatever they are offering to you.
 their roi is based on capacity utilization. ask yourself = will the park be constructed in the first place? how many clients are going to use their park? would it be a hit or a miss? ideas you need to ponder for yourself...

Hi Lhaine,

There is an ROI chart on the website with a slider that you can move from left to right.

Check the following image for the ROI chart based on 500 euro investment:  https://pasteboard.co/IArVFC1.png

i check the website to see how much ROI will recieve annualy if i invested . i cant see it there even there is an option to click ROI. can you tell us how much is dividend for example i invested 500$ .

Hi,

Here is a map of the actual location.



The name of the plot is:  HÅLAFORSEN 2:34

For the moment. The plot is empty, with only a forest and space with grass.

We do have some drone video's of the plot. But they are not from a high quality.
We will upload these video's tomorrow.

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We started the other projects in 2018.
We didn't post a lot in these threads. In 2018, it was very difficult to get some exposure on Bitcointalk, since most of the threads were faked with 'purchased' comments.
We will update every project on Bitcointalk tomorrow.

These projects are all from the same company, Hodler Enterprises.
The goal is to merge all these projects together in Voyager Park as a showcase.
Most of them are already a reality. The Hodler Energy project has already been paying dividends for a while. You can view the payout reports at https://hodler.energy

Can you explain more details about Näsåker? Because I looked on the website, you only display illustration images from the internet, there is no actual image of the location. The Visitor wants a real picture of the place, not just an illustration.

I have seen 2 other threads owned by Hodler Enterprises -

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-qredit-dpos-the-enhanced-blockchain-suite-5030061

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-hodler-energy-by-hodler-enterprises-lifetime-passive-income-4644408

I guess both of them are still existing but both threads are very dull. Are there sufficient investors in both projects to withstand your survival in this industry? Also, how are those projects related to this new endeavour of yours? Will the fate be the same or this one has high percentage of becoming a reality?

I have visited Kakslauttanen in Finland.

They use 2 layer glasses. Meaning that the glasses works as a magnifier during the summer. You will get toasted when you sleep over there in the summer.

And I highly doubt that the quality is better.
Anyhow, It is meant to experience the outdoors with a feeling of being outside while still protected from elements.
We are going for a fully glass housing with metal frames.

What are you talking about? Just because they are not booking them outside the northern lights season doesn't mean they wouldn't be habitable trough summer. Have you seen the pictures of them? They are way more higher quality. Basically houses. That's why i was originally interested in your project.

The strength of the igloo is much stronger due to its triangular design. It comes with 5 years warranty and all parts replaceable. The igloo has at least a 15 years lifespan.
The glass has several coatings, as seen in the picture.



Unlike the igloos from our competition, these igloos can be used all year round in all 4 seasons.

The website should be working btw, please try again.

What about misleading pictures? as mentioned, we didn't build anything yet, so other than animated designs, there is not else to show. Only some forest.

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Not sure what kind of proof you are looking for, since we didn't order yet.
You can easily contact them and ask about us. They usually reply within 10 minutes, depending on the timezone.

Can you prove that this project is supplying igloos from the place you said?
just to prove to be trusted by members here. And I need to admit that some designs about the igloos are still lacking, fix some features and I agree this is not a good.

Oh LITTLE different? Quality looks like a night and day. Those Chinese igloos looks like some weird cheap portable toilets you could order from Wish. I am betting they last as long as the website you linked (That doesn't work btw). Seriously, not a good start. Misleading pictures of the luxury igloos, what do you reveal next?

I do not know this exchange and volumes seem very low. Do you have any plans to get onto well known exchanges as this will be key for interest to people. People will want liquidity.

Hi,

There will be a funding round in the near future from the municipality. That should cover at least the construction of a certain part of the park.
With or without an ICO, the park will be open on October 2020.

Without an ICO, the construction will slow us down though, especially on the heat utilization and solar farm.

Starting the marketing phase in January will allow us to get park visitors during the launch of the park.
Nothing is more embarrassing than going open, without any visitors or customers.

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The pictures are from Kakslauttanen in Finland.

Our igloos will be a little different and they are coming from a supplier in China called 'Raxtent'.
You can read more about it over here: link

Here are some pictures of the actual igloo.




And with a picture from our supplier.

Took a second look and those glass igloos look pretty similar to Finnish place called Kakslauttanen. I've heard some good things about those from my friends who stayed there. Are they from the same manufacturer? I am assuming that you are using pics from their igloos as you don't have those yet.

But are you already asking for the payment for these early bookings? I don't think it is safe to reserve the spot this early as we don't know the chance of constructing those facilities at the moment.

If in case you haven't raised enough funds, are you still going to pursue the construction of those facilities?

Well, at least your soft- and hardcap are adjusted to reality and you aren't asking insane amounts. That feels right and has some growth space.

Hi JC,

The Altilly exchange was launched in mid 2018.
We have acquired the exchange in January 2019.

It's already listed over there.
Trading will be enabled in February 2020.

https://www.altilly.com/asset/HODLER

 

It is good to see a project with a low token count for a change. But this is fine as it just a token to receive profit, like a share. However, people may want to sell their tokens together with future profit sharing. How will you enable the trading of the tokens as most exchanges now refuse tokens receiving dividends as it is considered a security.

Thank you for your answer, I can roughly understand what is going on and what will happen in the future.
there is still a long way to go and I hope you can achieve what you are trying to achieve,
I will keep watching this and looking for specific information after further announcement from the team.
would love to see a successful dividend of real world asset in cryptocurrency. I am huge fan of dividend or passive income project

Hi Javi,

The exchange license runs through Altilly, which will be given later this month.
It is needed for the profit sharing from fiat to crypto and vice versa.

For Sweden it's a different story.
Bitcoin is not money, but it is treated as a currency.
As mentioned below the ROI calculator. For dividends, we will have to pay 25% tax. For the investor, this can be reclaimed depending on the country you live in.

For sharing profit in cryptocurrency, no other license is needed in Sweden for our concept, as long as we have a proper KYC/AML policy.

We are doing the same with our mining project and have been sharing dividends for a while with the same concept.
Our company had to shut down the business for 2 months during an investigation by a financial gov agency.
The result of the investigation was crystal clear and we could continue our business.

This is also explained in the last update:  https://hodler.enterprises/go/update-q3

We have about 24 people working on our projects.
Only the team on management level is visible on the website.
If you would like to meet the other team members, they are always online on Telegram.
https://t.me/hodlerenterprises

Please let us know if you have any other questions.

As far as I know, every business needs a different license. Even if you have a license for your company,
it does not mean you have a legal certificate in running the Voyager right? in my country, I need a different license whenever I want to run a business.
still trying to figure out, are you not being restricted by the Swedish government? because they have said,
Bitcoin is not money and can not be used as a form of payment.
and do you have any other team members in managing this project? or only that 3 peoples?

Hi all,

Thank you for the replies and questions.


The booking system is already live, but bookings can be made after October 2020. That's when the park is fully live.
We have made the website like an actual booking site, the way its going to be when everything is already in place.
It was also easier to explain our plans and ideas with the municipality.
We did a notification on the website, explaining that the park is not live yet.


The token represents a share in the profit. We had another (mining) ICO last year with a similar concept. About 2500 tokens with a value of 100 euro.
This is to cover fees during payouts. Having tokens with a value of a few cents, means that these investors will receive profits that is sometimes less than the actual tx fee.
One of the few mistakes that other projects make with a similar concept.
I can remember last year when we started the mining ICO, that people were complaining about the price of the token.

You can view the following chart:  https://hodler.energy/sync/2019/09/mining.jpg

I believe we are the only in the chart that didn't exit scammed. We are still paying out dividends and the value of the token is still around 100 euro.

The ROI chart you are seeing is quite accurate.
However, it is divided in to 4 sections. The ROI really depends on the capacity over the whole year.
Getting 100% capacity over 365 days is impossible. Anything above 50% is possible, but we doubt it will ever happen in the next 2-3 years.
Looking at the amount of tourists in this region, 10-50% should be easily possible.


As explained on the investment page: https://voyagerpark.se/investment

The Park is divided in to 3 sections.
Designed to operate in all four seasons.
Site E offers a Center Dome with a restaurant and a few small shopping stores. This site will focus on travelers with a higher budget.
Site F offers camping spots and cottages for travelers with a mid-tier budget.
Site G will focus on budget travelers, it is located along the 90 road. We are offering motel rooms, a local bar with shower facilities.

By the way, the prices on the website are in Swedish kronor. 1000kr is about 100 usd.


We don't have a 'working' product yet for Voyager Park. All the other projects are ongoing and the heat utilization concept of Hodler Energy is already running.


The project 'Voyager Park' is new. But the company exist already for 3 years now.
We are registered in Sweden and in the Netherlands under the following numbers:
Hodler Holding Company Netherlands: 72306505
Holder Mining BV Netherlands: 72308818
Hodler Company V.O.F Netherlands: 71219579
Bläck Service Örnsköldsvik Sweden: 921086-6795-0001

We have been under investigation by AFM (Dutch SEC) in December 2018. Everything was okay and we could continue to operate under the same regulation.


For everyone else, if you are interested in the project, we can highly recommend to read our last Q3 update of Hodler Enterprises.
This will give you an idea why we started this project and will also give you a small overview about our other projects.

https://hodler.enterprises/go/update-q3

If you have any questions, please let us know. You can also join us in telegram and get in touch with investors from our other projects.
https://t.me/hodlerenterprises

Or visit the links in my signature.

Based on this

It is very likely for them to not have a working product, their facebook page only have 28 followers.
https://www.facebook.com/Voyagerpark/
and I do not find their Twitter or Instagram page. It might be hidden
we need more information about this project, the date it will start its product and license from their local government. It is very crucial for us to know it
since they are going to run a business model in some country, obviously they need a license to do that.

Do you already have a working product? I'm reviewing the topic and seems like you are. If so, what's the need for further funding?

This is different from the usual. unique but with expensive costs
of course only the upper middle class can enjoy it.

the team should further review these numbers. even if they claimed to be backed with real business, there's no assurance that they will constantly get their customers to maintain their value in the market. not all people can afford to have that kind of lifestyle even if it is not so much to many.
they should think of the longevity of this platform and be realistic with their goals!

Max supply is only 10,000 token with sale price 100 euro, do you expect a token that really have a value and become rare token later in the exchange? The ROI also looks insane

I'm confused, it says on your page - Voyager Park 2020



but do you have these facilities existing already -



Seems that you are already operational, are you currently accepting booking for these facilities? why the need of IEO?