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Sam Mother Fuckin' Walters

Joe and I spent some time yesterday reviewing the difficulty adjustment code and came to the same conclusion.  Even though retargets are done every block, the adjustment uses an exponential moving towards the target difficulty over a period of time. The target timespan for re-adjustment is very short - 30 minutes, whereas many other coins have a target re-adjustment timespan of several days or more.  The effect of this is that when there is a huge influx of mining capacity (as was the case in the minutes after launch) the difficulty changes to account for them very quickly.  This means that people hoping to get an advantage with low difficulty will not be able to, making this extremely fair.  This, combined with the reward being directly proportional to difficulty, means that mining profitability will remain fairly constant from launch onwards.  It doesn't matter whether you have a laptop or a farm of 100 machines, your average reward will stay the same with time, regardless of the network hash.  It is about as fair as a PoW distribution can possibly be**

** the caveat to this is that the reward : difficulty ratio must be high enough to both ensure that coins are minted at the expected rate, AND that the reward is in line with the supply of the old coin that it is being swapped.  IMO the reward is currently too low to fulfill this.  I think the reward needs to be much higher in order to have the PoW period over within a few months as the developer was hoping and right now the daily minting of 5-10k is disproportionate to the 1.25 million coins set aside for the swap.

Paul,

I like the way re-target of timespan is setup because many coins out there are targeted for mining during low difficulty, coming into them looking to 'game' the profits then exit.  So this is absolutely fair, and fair means price wise, everyone is gaining no matter if they are 'buying' or 'selling'.. While there is value in the sense that there is great opportunities of traditions available here with magi. I think the way this is setup is an ideal solution down the road as more miners come on board.

Yep fair point, I hadn't even considered that the current setup prevents "gaming" of low difficulty periods.  That said, I stand by my other suggestion that it could be increased a little to 90-120 minutes so that the block-to-block fluctuations are smoothed a little.  That's still a small window of opportunity for miners to realise diff is low, get in and game it.  Because this is a CPU coin it's not like people have big farms just sat there idle waiting to mine profitably.  The reality is that people would rent per-hour VPS's when it is profitable to mine.  This just wouldn't be worth the time or effort if you know the profit window will be fully closed in less than 2 hours.  IDK this is just my opinion.  I'm not the dev here and I'm also not mining this because I don't have spare machines at home and the (very very large) number of machines I do have access to for mining cost me 1c / corehour, and that's too expensive for me to mine at the current price/reward Cheesy

yeah, gaming / cheating is a big deal... happens everywhere so its not just crypto. As more new miners come into the industry, some will try to play by the rules and some will try to game it. That is just how life works. This is what i think the gaming logic is a good leg to stand on with this coin.

I presume as more people down the road here about magi's algo and look over its mining opportunities plus join in to help earn more coins, this will help its long term growth.
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Joe and I spent some time yesterday reviewing the difficulty adjustment code and came to the same conclusion.  Even though retargets are done every block, the adjustment uses an exponential moving towards the target difficulty over a period of time. The target timespan for re-adjustment is very short - 30 minutes, whereas many other coins have a target re-adjustment timespan of several days or more.  The effect of this is that when there is a huge influx of mining capacity (as was the case in the minutes after launch) the difficulty changes to account for them very quickly.  This means that people hoping to get an advantage with low difficulty will not be able to, making this extremely fair.  This, combined with the reward being directly proportional to difficulty, means that mining profitability will remain fairly constant from launch onwards.  It doesn't matter whether you have a laptop or a farm of 100 machines, your average reward will stay the same with time, regardless of the network hash.  It is about as fair as a PoW distribution can possibly be**

** the caveat to this is that the reward : difficulty ratio must be high enough to both ensure that coins are minted at the expected rate, AND that the reward is in line with the supply of the old coin that it is being swapped.  IMO the reward is currently too low to fulfill this.  I think the reward needs to be much higher in order to have the PoW period over within a few months as the developer was hoping and right now the daily minting of 5-10k is disproportionate to the 1.25 million coins set aside for the swap.

Paul,

I like the way re-target of timespan is setup because many coins out there are targeted for mining during low difficulty, coming into them looking to 'game' the profits then exit.  So this is absolutely fair, and fair means price wise, everyone is gaining no matter if they are 'buying' or 'selling'.. While there is value in the sense that there is great opportunities of traditions available here with magi. I think the way this is setup is an ideal solution down the road as more miners come on board.

Yep fair point, I hadn't even considered that the current setup prevents "gaming" of low difficulty periods.  That said, I stand by my other suggestion that it could be increased a little to 90-120 minutes so that the block-to-block fluctuations are smoothed a little.  That's still a small window of opportunity for miners to realise diff is low, get in and game it.  Because this is a CPU coin it's not like people have big farms just sat there idle waiting to mine profitably.  The reality is that people would rent per-hour VPS's when it is profitable to mine.  This just wouldn't be worth the time or effort if you know the profit window will be fully closed in less than 2 hours.  IDK this is just my opinion.  I'm not the dev here and I'm also not mining this because I don't have spare machines at home and the (very very large) number of machines I do have access to for mining cost me 1c / corehour, and that's too expensive for me to mine at the current price/reward Cheesy
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Sam Mother Fuckin' Walters

Joe and I spent some time yesterday reviewing the difficulty adjustment code and came to the same conclusion.  Even though retargets are done every block, the adjustment uses an exponential moving towards the target difficulty over a period of time. The target timespan for re-adjustment is very short - 30 minutes, whereas many other coins have a target re-adjustment timespan of several days or more.  The effect of this is that when there is a huge influx of mining capacity (as was the case in the minutes after launch) the difficulty changes to account for them very quickly.  This means that people hoping to get an advantage with low difficulty will not be able to, making this extremely fair.  This, combined with the reward being directly proportional to difficulty, means that mining profitability will remain fairly constant from launch onwards.  It doesn't matter whether you have a laptop or a farm of 100 machines, your average reward will stay the same with time, regardless of the network hash.  It is about as fair as a PoW distribution can possibly be**

** the caveat to this is that the reward : difficulty ratio must be high enough to both ensure that coins are minted at the expected rate, AND that the reward is in line with the supply of the old coin that it is being swapped.  IMO the reward is currently too low to fulfill this.  I think the reward needs to be much higher in order to have the PoW period over within a few months as the developer was hoping and right now the daily minting of 5-10k is disproportionate to the 1.25 million coins set aside for the swap.

Paul,

I like the way re-target of timespan is setup because many coins out there are targeted for mining during low difficulty, coming into them looking to 'game' the profits then exit.  So this is absolutely fair, and fair means price wise, everyone is gaining no matter if they are 'buying' or 'selling'.. While there is value in the sense that there is great opportunities of traditions available here with magi. I think the way this is setup is an ideal solution down the road as more miners come on board.
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..  IMO the reward is currently too low to fulfill this.  I think the reward needs to be much higher in order to have the PoW period over within a few months as the developer was hoping and right now the daily minting of 5-10k is disproportionate to the 1.25 million coins set aside for the swap.

Paul, I am thinking to lower optimum diff where we get maximum 500 XMG/block; what is your comment on the 'optimum diff'? The new reward better to plug in after pool mining, so all can get a share.

Strongly agree, if you are to increase the reward/block, do it after having a working pool, otherwise only the big miners would benefit

My AMD cpu does 12 kh/s per thread
at diff 1.09621464 is likely to find a block in 4.54 days
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getmininginfo
"blocks" : 567,
"difficulty" : {
"proof-of-work" : 1.02154225,
netmhashps" : 25.21546297

based on mining calculator with difficulty 1.02154225 and hash of 25.21546297
we would be getting 496 blocks a day

PoW block time is 3 minutes or 480 blocks a day

looks like difficulty adjustment is working as it should

Joe and I spent some time yesterday reviewing the difficulty adjustment code and came to the same conclusion.  Even though retargets are done every block, the adjustment uses an exponential moving towards the target difficulty over a period of time. The target timespan for re-adjustment is very short - 30 minutes, whereas many other coins have a target re-adjustment timespan of several days or more.  The effect of this is that when there is a huge influx of mining capacity (as was the case in the minutes after launch) the difficulty changes to account for them very quickly.  This means that people hoping to get an advantage with low difficulty will not be able to, making this extremely fair.  This, combined with the reward being directly proportional to difficulty, means that mining profitability will remain fairly constant from launch onwards.  It doesn't matter whether you have a laptop or a farm of 100 machines, your average reward will stay the same with time, regardless of the network hash.  It is about as fair as a PoW distribution can possibly be**

** the caveat to this is that the reward : difficulty ratio must be high enough to both ensure that coins are minted at the expected rate, AND that the reward is in line with the supply of the old coin that it is being swapped.  IMO the reward is currently too low to fulfill this.  I think the reward needs to be much higher in order to have the PoW period over within a few months as the developer was hoping and right now the daily minting of 5-10k is disproportionate to the 1.25 million coins set aside for the swap.

Paul, I am thinking to lower optimum diff where we get maximum 500 XMG/block; what is your comment on the 'optimum diff'? The new reward better to plug in after pool mining, so all can get a share.

This is sort of what I was suggesting.  I think to make a proper analysis we need to ensure that either the netmhashps or networkhashps values are reporting true values (neither appear to be, though netmhashps seems more believable).  Then you can decide how much higher you think the network hash is likely to get in order to achieve the optimum diff.  I haven't yet seen diff over 2, but suspect it will get there if a few more miners join.  So something higher than 2 for sure.  Why not make it linear up to 5, with reward being 100 * diff? (that would yield in the 100-200 range for current diff). 

The one drawback to the short difficulty adjustment timespan is that difficulty fluctuates a reasonable amount whenever "luck" causes two blocks to be found in quick succession or much longer than 3 mins.  I have seen it shift 50% from one block to the next.  This has a knock-on effect that the rewards can also change considerably between blocks.  I'm not sure how to combat this, but perhaps increasing the adjustment timespan slightly (maybe 90-180 minutes) would help, whilst still balancing out the effects significant mining power joining/leaving fairly quickly. 
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Sam Mother Fuckin' Walters
Looking for advice : how can I tell if Windows Wallet is actually doing any mining ?  

Have been mining well over a day now on 99% CPU and no coins found or any output to indicate processing, I can see a personal and network hash amount if I use 'getmininginfo' and this does change every time I type it, but nowhere in Windows wallet can I find activity output like the Linux guys are posting.

Windows wallet logfile output has not changed since early yesterday.  How can I tell if I am actually 'mining' rather than just hashing pointlessly.

The point of 'mining' is that you are looking to find something.

No coins found is not ruled out yet give it some time because the big farm guys seem to be leaving the area, and once pools are able to support the network, this is going to be by far, the most interesting phases of mining that any of us have seen.  Highly Looking forward to it.
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Money comes, money goes
Anyone buying this coin?

72 up for grabs
very hard to mine
legendary
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how is the stratum cpuminer coming along?

Struggling on that, will keep you posted.
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getmininginfo
"blocks" : 567,
"difficulty" : {
"proof-of-work" : 1.02154225,
netmhashps" : 25.21546297

based on mining calculator with difficulty 1.02154225 and hash of 25.21546297
we would be getting 496 blocks a day

PoW block time is 3 minutes or 480 blocks a day

looks like difficulty adjustment is working as it should

Joe and I spent some time yesterday reviewing the difficulty adjustment code and came to the same conclusion.  Even though retargets are done every block, the adjustment uses an exponential moving towards the target difficulty over a period of time. The target timespan for re-adjustment is very short - 30 minutes, whereas many other coins have a target re-adjustment timespan of several days or more.  The effect of this is that when there is a huge influx of mining capacity (as was the case in the minutes after launch) the difficulty changes to account for them very quickly.  This means that people hoping to get an advantage with low difficulty will not be able to, making this extremely fair.  This, combined with the reward being directly proportional to difficulty, means that mining profitability will remain fairly constant from launch onwards.  It doesn't matter whether you have a laptop or a farm of 100 machines, your average reward will stay the same with time, regardless of the network hash.  It is about as fair as a PoW distribution can possibly be**

** the caveat to this is that the reward : difficulty ratio must be high enough to both ensure that coins are minted at the expected rate, AND that the reward is in line with the supply of the old coin that it is being swapped.  IMO the reward is currently too low to fulfill this.  I think the reward needs to be much higher in order to have the PoW period over within a few months as the developer was hoping and right now the daily minting of 5-10k is disproportionate to the 1.25 million coins set aside for the swap.

Paul, I am thinking to lower optimum diff where we get maximum 500 XMG/block; what is your comment on the 'optimum diff'? The new reward better to plug in after pool mining, so all can get a share.
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how is the stratum cpuminer coming along?
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getmininginfo
"blocks" : 567,
"difficulty" : {
"proof-of-work" : 1.02154225,
netmhashps" : 25.21546297

based on mining calculator with difficulty 1.02154225 and hash of 25.21546297
we would be getting 496 blocks a day

PoW block time is 3 minutes or 480 blocks a day

looks like difficulty adjustment is working as it should

Joe and I spent some time yesterday reviewing the difficulty adjustment code and came to the same conclusion.  Even though retargets are done every block, the adjustment uses an exponential moving towards the target difficulty over a period of time. The target timespan for re-adjustment is very short - 30 minutes, whereas many other coins have a target re-adjustment timespan of several days or more.  The effect of this is that when there is a huge influx of mining capacity (as was the case in the minutes after launch) the difficulty changes to account for them very quickly.  This means that people hoping to get an advantage with low difficulty will not be able to, making this extremely fair.  This, combined with the reward being directly proportional to difficulty, means that mining profitability will remain fairly constant from launch onwards.  It doesn't matter whether you have a laptop or a farm of 100 machines, your average reward will stay the same with time, regardless of the network hash.  It is about as fair as a PoW distribution can possibly be**

** the caveat to this is that the reward : difficulty ratio must be high enough to both ensure that coins are minted at the expected rate, AND that the reward is in line with the supply of the old coin that it is being swapped.  IMO the reward is currently too low to fulfill this.  I think the reward needs to be much higher in order to have the PoW period over within a few months as the developer was hoping and right now the daily minting of 5-10k is disproportionate to the 1.25 million coins set aside for the swap.
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XMG is going to be as shitty as XCN.

Looks like we forget the difference, the coin distribution plan here, and we are not yet talking about the PoS-II, shouldn't that add a plus to XMG?
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Sam Mother Fuckin' Walters
getmininginfo
"blocks" : 567,
"difficulty" : {
"proof-of-work" : 1.02154225,
netmhashps" : 25.21546297

based on mining calculator with difficulty 1.02154225 and hash of 25.21546297
we would be getting 496 blocks a day

PoW block time is 3 minutes or 480 blocks a day

looks like difficulty adjustment is working as it should


yeah I was going to do some math on it.

Sounds good. Thanks
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XMG is going to be as shitty as XCN.
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i just doubt that really cpu only forever, M7 now you can mine with gpu

it is M7M it is a modified version of M7, currently there is no GPU miner (but there will be one for sure)
sure but for nvidia.

i hope it come with the new nividia

It would be hard to have this algo implemented with GPU alone, unless compromised approach is used, that would mitigate efficiency a lot.
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getmininginfo
"blocks" : 567,
"difficulty" : {
"proof-of-work" : 1.02154225,
netmhashps" : 25.21546297

based on mining calculator with difficulty 1.02154225 and hash of 25.21546297
we would be getting 496 blocks a day

PoW block time is 3 minutes or 480 blocks a day

looks like difficulty adjustment is working as it should
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 he has been working hard to help magi guys!

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Is there a working build for Win64 Minerd?

I tried using a basic Minerd build that's 64, it says it's hashing but have no way to tell for sure.

Strato
db6
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Looking for advice : how can I tell if Windows Wallet is actually doing any mining ? 

Have been mining well over a day now on 99% CPU and no coins found or any output to indicate processing, I can see a personal and network hash amount if I use 'getmininginfo' and this does change every time I type it, but nowhere in Windows wallet can I find activity output like the Linux guys are posting.

Windows wallet logfile output has not changed since early yesterday.  How can I tell if I am actually 'mining' rather than just hashing pointlessly.

if you went into the wallet console and typed setgenerate true 4

you are mining.


Thanks for the help, I didn't see any visible change so I guess it was working all along.
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Looking for advice : how can I tell if Windows Wallet is actually doing any mining ?  

Have been mining well over a day now on 99% CPU and no coins found or any output to indicate processing, I can see a personal and network hash amount if I use 'getmininginfo' and this does change every time I type it, but nowhere in Windows wallet can I find activity output like the Linux guys are posting.

Windows wallet logfile output has not changed since early yesterday.  How can I tell if I am actually 'mining' rather than just hashing pointlessly.

type in console ''getmininginfo'' look for hashespersec
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