Topic: [ANNOUNCE] BitcoinNordic: Buy Bitcoins with Scandinavian credit cards (Read 8667 times)

I tried to say this a month ago but Lasse doesn't seem to care.  Makes little difference their prices are unreal anyway IMO.

Agreed

Yep. It would be a year late, but still, the subject-line of this thread should be renamed for the sake of honesty.

The thread is sending really mixed messages, though. First theres the title of the thread which says "Buy Bitcoins with Scandinavian credit cards", then theres a small line in the message saying you can't buy using card anymore, a large logo saying Instant bitcoins by credit card and another line saying you can't buy using card anymore.

This is not really a very good way to convey a message.

Oh, imagine how easy it can be to miss things! Sorry about that.
I automatically started to read the post under the logo there. That was a bit confusing, imo

See the very first line of the original post.

I don't see the credit card option on the site? Have I missed something?

Feedback: Some time ago, I bought a few bitcoins from this site.
BitcoinNordic was fast and everything went well, so I can absolutely recommend them!

I still think 24 hours is too long.  Christ today that can cost you a lot as the price continues to skyrocket. They do need to change this post.  They do not accept CC.

Endnu en super hurtig service
Har brugt siden til og udbetale mine btc et par gange nu hver gang har jeg modtaget mine penge inden for 24 timer
10/10 her fra

Really need to rewrite this post or at least edit the subject.  Think I have opened it 3 times thinking maybe you updated (or forgetting I have read it before, oops). Guess that's probably the reason you haven't changed it.

Ever going to make a fast way to obtain BTC in Scandinavia? 24-48 bank transfers are far from optimal and cashU is way overpriced.

CashU er primært smart for folk i andre lande. Vi tager ikke imod ewire længere.

Som dansker eller europæer er det nemmeste, at du laver en bankoverførsel: https://bitcoinnordic.com/bank-transfer/

Har stadig ikk forstået det? Hvordan overføre man lige penge via  CashU ? Og er der en mulighed for at bruge e-wire til at handle med jer??

There's a bigger chance you will grow wings and learn to sing like Sinatra.

Or start accepting cards.  

Bitcoin Nordic is not giving any directions or references to the tracker.

The case is this:

The tracker has inserted a form on their own website which is essentially a copy of our bank transfer form here: https://bitcoinnordic.com/bank-transfer/

Their form submits data to our URL so we receive their form submissions essentially as if from our own website.

What I did was that I asked them to put in a link to Bitcoin Nordic next to the form on their website to get a little advertisement. They did and also wrote "In cooperation with Bitcoin Nordic".


Technically, I see nothing wrong here. But sometimes dealing with authorities, just being technically correct isn't always enough. If this can give people the impression that we somehow endorse or encourage the use of the torrent tracker - and it seems it can since that's the impression Greedi is under - then I should consider asking them to remove the expression "in cooperation with" and perhaps even ask them to remove their own custom form. (Even if I can't make them - creating that custom form submitting to our URL currently requires no cooperation or authorization from us.)

If a bank has an ATM on a street corner, then they provide withdrawal of money. The customer can then go on to use that money on whatever the customer wants. Ice cream for his children, or buying narcotics in a dark alley. The bank's responsibility ends when they have given the customer the money.

Now, if the bank wrote on their homepage, or had stickers on their ATM saying that they're facilitating payments to a street vendor of narcotics. For example it said on the ATM: "Two block down towards the park, the blue house, you get all the dope you need!"

Then customers would take offence, it would be in the papers, it would be on the news, the bank would have to say they're sorry, and remove the stickers and the advertisement on their webpage.

If a bank has a branch in a challenged neighborhood, they KNOW that a lot of the money that are deposited and that are withdrawn often are involved in criminal trade. Does that mean that the bank should shut down their branch ? Remove their ATM's ? No! But they're wise about it, they simple provide a service to people. Of course if someone comes into the bank with a large stash, and act all dopey and tell them: "Yo, I'm gonna stash this lot in ma account yo, my dealahs have done good on the street yo!". Then the branch would probably call security and police and have him escorted out.

So it's all about playing it smart. If you know that your technology or service can be used for something nefarious, do not go around advertising it, or make service agreements or official partnerships with providers of questionable goods.

Fimp, I've heard you're a standup guy, but perhaps you're a little bit naive. I don't know the details of all this, but if you announce you're working with a tracker, then you're putting A BIG TARGET on your forehead. And later, when you do presentations, or get interviews by a news paper, they will always ask about how you support piracy and so on. Just don't have any official ties to any of this, and shut down any customers that openly tell you that they're going to use bitcoins for illegal purposes.

Don't be blinded by your own desire to make a profit. It can come back to bite you seriously. Be smart, be safe.


Also, please change the title of this thread, as it's misleading.

How am I cooperating with the tracker any more than I am cooperating with, say, BitcoinStore.com, where my customers can also spend their bitcoins?

I know, the problem is the "In cooperation with"

If I wanted to, how would I avoid that people buy bitcoins from Bitcoin Nordic and send them to the tracker? It's in the nature of Bitcoin that I can't decide where my customers spend their coins. Just like a bank can't avoid their customers withdrawing cash and spending them on something that might or might not be illegal.

So, you both are talking good with the goverment, and doing bad stuff with the tracker = NULL ?

BitcoinNordic is in collaboration with DK's largest torrent tracker.
It is certainly not smart in this time when Norden is so much up in the torrenting is illegal.

- I certainly can well see the fancy of it ..
- As I'm using this site my self

But, look at it this way.

We have enough problems with that DK is against sweets road, and BTC generalt with it being used for illegal activities?

and now BitcoinNordic in cooperation with the tracker, it comes as to and provide the world's best impression of the Danish State
- You see my point?

I have no idea what Greedi is talking about, but it probably has something to do with me giving a presentation: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/fimp-conducting-conference-140272

Yay, BitcoinNordic have now destroyed the possibility of getting BTC into Denmark!..

Good job fimp/BitcoinNordic


:facepalm:

Det kan vi desværre ikke tilbyde længere, da VISA/MasterCard lukkede ned for os.

Du kan se mulighederne for at bruge bankoverførsel eller købe kontant på www.bitcoinnordic.com

ved ikke om jeg er blind, men hvor finder jeg linket på jeres side hvor jeg kan købe BTC med mit mastercard?

Mindre beløb ikke i Århus. Hvis du vil købe for 20.000 kr eller mere kan vi godt finde ud af det.

Det er i hvert fald ganske lovligt at sende penge med et anbefalet brev. Det er det muligvis ikke i et almindeligt brev, men vi tager i hvert fald imod det, hvis du sender alligevel.

Kan man snart købe for kontanter i Århus?

(Jeg er lidt i tvivl om, hvorvidt det er lovligt at sende kontanter m. alm. brevpost?)

Vi kan godt lave en aftale om, at hvis du kun sender større beløb, så får du en lavere rate. Vi kan sige, at hvis du sender minimum 100 bitcoins ad gangen får du servicen til 5%.

Det læder mig rigtig meget at høre..

Sådan en som mig som kun miner for at tjene profit, det mister jeg så ved at veksle dem til danske kr, fordi % på vekslingen er så stor

EDIT: det er ikke nemt at få flere danske med på idéen når det er så ledes, hvis du forstår.

Ja.

Det kommer jo helt an på, hvad man laver. Nogle virksomheder har en større profitmargin end andre. Og nogle bruger servicen til blot at sende penge hjem fra udlandet.

så det vil sige det ikke kun er mandag der er udbetalling?

håber din % af intjeningen vil falde, siden man mister alt sin profit ved at veksle om til danskr kroner

Prisen er nu 9% under MtGox. Der er ikke umiddelbart planer om at sætte den længere ned før volumen vokser.

Betalinger håndteres nu dagligt istedet for ugentligt.

intet svar?

jeps, fik lige mailen fra dig mange tak

Kunne du svare på min post oven over også evt?

og igen, rigtig mange tak for en super feed service!

håber dog også det bliver muligt at udbetaling bliver mere en engang om ugen

Den bliver behandlet senere i dag. Dette bliver gjort hver mandag, men ikke nødvendigvis et bestemt tidspunkt på dagen, så der er ikke noget forsinket.

Mvh Lasse

min sidste overførelse gik rigtig godt, overførte 72.9 BTC, og der gik 3,511.11 kr ind på min konto.

Sidder dog og venter og venter på at jeg modtager min "Weekly exchange receipt", den er meget forsinket idag, håber ikke der er gået noget galt, support svare mig heller ikke.

Er der chance for at FEEs bliver nedsat?

10% er pænt meget..

Bruger denne services selv da der ingen andre muligheder for mig er, men synes 10% er lidt overkanten

Yes, I read it. I still stand by my comments.

Herodes, did you read the quote from me above?

We didn't get any losses whatsoever on VISA or MasterCard payments. And the reason they gave us for cutting us off was not actual chargebacks, but "risk of chargebacks".

Unfortunately there's a big problem with reversible payment methods and exchanging through said mediums to bitcoin. Whenever there's a loophole, you can be sure someone will figure it out and exploit it eventually, after all you might as well be lucky here that you're not suffering more and bigger losses already.

It's a pitty though that VISA and Mastercard is declining bitcoin related businesses to use their systems, as it's a very convenient method for legit users to get bitcoins.

Perhaps if you made a very good risk assesment and required registration by users + verification before they're allowed to use their cards and presented this to VISA and Mastercard, perhaps they would change their mind about you using their systems. Again that would not be as convenient as the current solution was, but would probably reduce the risks.

And as you see, a lot of the exchanges have had problems with bank accounts being frozen, and usually I think this is because of reversed transactions. If an account get enough transactions reversed, then the bank may as well freeze that account.

Good luck with your business going forward!

Yesterday' news:


Reddit discussion: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/uaicw/bitcoinnordic_discontinues_credit_card_purchases/

Held og lykke herfra!
Måske en ide med nedsat gebyr for kunder med en eller flere handler bag sig?

Vi benytter 32222749.

Hvad er jeres CVR-nummer?

Gebyret var blevet sat for højt, det er faktisk kun €1.40. Tak fordi du bemærkede det!

Hvis du har en Nordea-konto burde du i øvrigt kunne overføre til os gratis. Kontonummeret som du modtager fra os er til en Nordea-konto.

Vi forventer i øvrigt at kunne aktivere vores tyske bankkonto denne måned. Når det sker bør vi kunne modtage SEPA-overførsler gratis.

Jag har använt bitmarket.eu under en längre tid just för att jag hittills inte stött på SEPA-avgifter där. Trist att er bank väljer att ta ut dem - är det möjligen något ni tittar på?

Lykke til med tjenesten, håper dere slipper unna mye svindel.

Det stemmer. Hvis mængden af forsøg på svindel viser sig ikke at være stor, så kan vi muligvis sænke gebyret i fremtiden.

Vores første kunde var i øvrigt så glad, at han blev nødt til at købe igen. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/announce-bitcoinnordic-instant-bitcoins-with-scandinavian-credit-cards-75075

Ser mycket lovande ut, lycka till! Det verkar vara ungefär 10% avgift vid kreditkortsköp, stämmer det?

Credit cards no longer supported. Buy with bank transfer, cash or cashU on www.bitcoinnordic.com



Credit cards no longer supported. Buy with bank transfer, cash or cashU on www.bitcoinnordic.com

BitcoinNordic works towards making buying Bitcoins quick and pleasant for everyone. At the moment we offer:

• Pay using your VISA, VISA Electron, MasterCard, Maestro, or DanKort issued in Denmark, Sweden, or Norway and receive your Bitcoins within one minute.
• Domestic, SEPA, or international wire transfers to our Danish bank account.
• Make a cash deposit at our location in Copenhagen.

Get your Bitcoins now at www.bitcoinnordic.com! Feedback here and ratings of my OTC user is appreciated. Subscribe to our Twitter account and newsletter to get notified of discounts and new payment methods.

Sincerely
Lasse Birk Olesen
Head of Operations

PS. We are fully aware of the chargeback issue associated with selling Bitcoins for card payments. However, we believe that we have developed a model that will mitigate the risks and will now be testing this model on the Scandinavian market. If successful there we will work to expand to accept credit cards from more countries.