Announcing the WhatsMiner M10S 44TH @ 60W/TH or 55TH @ 65W/TH SHA-256 16nm Miner

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Sorry, only saw this now but I don't follow entirely but assume you're referring to me as you quoted my post. Just to be clear (and despite the letters in my nickname), I have no affiliation or contacts with that company. I've never even heard of it until now...

Yes, I am quite familiar with Whatsminer products as I have ordered a bunch of both M10 and D1 from Pangolin.

Quote from: minefarmbuy on February 06, 2019, 11:27:56 PM

Quote from: dj_wldwst on February 05, 2019, 09:39:35 AM

I've ordered a bunch of miners from them already with no issues?

Please be aware the DJ Technology Co. Ltd. is supposedly another distributor. So seems interesting there is a newbie "copper memeber" who is very familiar with Whatsminer product in this thread.

Are there reputable members who have purchased from whatsminer.net?

minefarmbuy

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We are not retail.

Thanks fanatic, exactly what I was after.

Scott no allegiance here to Pango, only our clients. There are some persons here I respect greatly. Others I wont mention have even lost that in the short time I've operated this account.

We did reach out to whatsminer.net at one point for demo's and recall nothing pertinent happening from it. Much success, glad to see a state side company with access to some gems.

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Quote from: offordscott on February 06, 2019, 11:38:58 PM

Minefarmbuy, I’m sorry I don’t participate as much on bitcointalk than you or others do. I’ve only been in the industry for over a year or so. Dozens of bitcointalk moderators and members as well as hundreds of others in the mining industry will attest that I’m legit and thousands of people can attest that DJ Technology is legit. I understand if you have an allegence to Pango and if you prefer to remain sceptical of me or whatsminer.net, that’s your choice.

Scott was generous enough to get one of these into my hands for testing before being released. I cant vouch for anyone else but Scott is absolutely the real deal. Just my 2 cents...

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Minefarmbuy, I’m sorry I don’t participate as much on bitcointalk than you or others do. I’ve only been in the industry for over a year or so. Dozens of bitcointalk moderators and members as well as hundreds of others in the mining industry will attest that I’m legit and thousands of people can attest that DJ Technology is legit. I understand if you have an allegence to Pango and if you prefer to remain sceptical of me or whatsminer.net, that’s your choice.

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Quote from: dj_wldwst on February 05, 2019, 09:39:35 AM

I've ordered a bunch of miners from them already with no issues?

Please be aware the DJ Technology Co. Ltd. is supposedly another distributor. So seems interesting there is a newbie "copper memeber" who is very familiar with Whatsminer product in this thread.

Are there reputable members who have purchased from whatsminer.net?

offordscott

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44TH @ 60W/TH is correct.

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Quote from: fanatic26_ on January 04, 2019, 12:05:41 PM

Thought I would give an update on my M10s experience.

This thing is a monster. The 140mm fans are so loud I hear them over the thousands of S9s in my data center.

I have now had the machine running for about a month with zero issues. It has consistently been hashing at 54.9TH using about 3450w.

It would be nice to have numbers in the "low power" setting, What is the maximum efficiency setting for the M10S? 44TH? 60watt per TH?

dj_wldwst

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Apologies, copied that text over and didn't realize I left that there. Haven't tested the M10S yet myself.

Quote from: fanatic26_ on February 04, 2019, 03:54:35 PM

How is this unconfirmed when a few posts ago I shared my numbers with the actual M10S including screenshots and power draw....?

I've ordered a bunch of miners from them already with no issues?

Quote from: minefarmbuy on February 04, 2019, 04:09:21 PM

Buy from pango my spidey *scam* sense is tingling here lately.

offordscott

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Pango doesn't have them for sale right now. You know where to find them if you want them. They ship late February.

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Quote from: fanatic26_ on February 04, 2019, 03:54:35 PM

How is this unconfirmed when a few posts ago I shared my numbers with the actual M10S including screenshots and power draw....?

People can't read three posts back.

Buy from pango my spidey *scam* sense is tingling here lately.

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Quote from: fanatic26_ on January 04, 2019, 12:05:41 PM

... It has consistently been hashing at 54.9TH using about 3450w...

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Quote from: fanatic26_ on February 04, 2019, 03:54:35 PM

How is this unconfirmed when a few posts ago I shared my numbers with the actual M10S including screenshots and power draw....?

To all fanatic26 is known to be reliable guy with numbers.

offordscott

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This sounds about right...

Quote from: HagssFIN on November 13, 2018, 02:09:34 PM

With full load and 95% nominal power efficiency, the theoretical max. power at wall is about 3526 Watt.

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Quote from: dj_wldwst on February 01, 2019, 02:18:54 PM

M10S 3575w (unconfirmed) @55TH: 65w/TH

How is this unconfirmed when a few posts ago I shared my numbers with the actual M10S including screenshots and power draw....?

offordscott

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There will be more M10 in March. There will be M10S in February. Right now only a limited batch of M10S are available. They are selling for $31/TH.

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Indeed, MicroBT are the manufacturer of Whatsminer equipment but from all I've understood there are close ties between Pangolin and MicroBT. I have not been able to source better prices with anyone else and I have received excellent service so far from Pangolin.

My connection with them is based on being a large scale customer and since I have extensive connections in the industry they've asked me to help source some new business.

The M10S was listed on their site for sure but it's not available from them at the moment.

Quote from: Steamtyme on February 01, 2019, 03:36:55 PM

I read it as Pangolin was "sales outlet" or distributor.

I am curious though dj_wldwst - What is your connection with Pangolin, if any?

I never noticed them selling the m10s on their site, I may have missed it all together. I was definitely intrigued by this model, but ATM the price makes the m10 better for me as you stated.

@Myrig - I know there is a whole other issue going on with you and offordscott, but let's keep the threads clean, maybe consider using the reputation board in the future.

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I read it as Pangolin was "sales outlet" or distributor.

I am curious though dj_wldwst - What is your connection with Pangolin, if any?

I never noticed them selling the m10s on their site, I may have missed it all together. I was definitely intrigued by this model, but ATM the price makes the m10 better for me as you stated.

@Myrig - I know there is a whole other issue going on with you and offordscott, but let's keep the threads clean, maybe consider using the reputation board in the future.

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Just to be clear... PangolinMiner is NOT the manufacturer of the WhatsMiner miners. It is MicroBT.

Quote from: dj_wldwst on February 01, 2019, 02:18:54 PM

...you would always deal with the sales outlet of the manufacturer (Pangolin Miner) directly.

dj_wldwst

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The difference in price and performance between the M10 and M10S means the M10 is a much better purchase at the moment.
M10 2190w @33TH: 66w/TH
M10S 3575w @55TH: 65w/TH

Apart from that these machines are excellent and so far I'm very happy with the service received from Pangolin.

In case anyone out there is thinking of buying I can source excellent prices for these regardless of the end destination.
Just to be clear though: I will never ask you for money, you would always deal with the sales outlet of the manufacturer (Pangolin Miner) directly.

minefarmbuy

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We are not retail.

M10S has been out of stock awhile now. You'll have to buy form a reseller.

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Are they making this still? Where can you buy?

At 65 W per TH is very good.

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Thought I would give an update on my M10s experience.

This thing is a monster. The 140mm fans are so loud I hear them over the thousands of S9s in my data center.

I have now had the machine running for about a month with zero issues. It has consistently been hashing at 54.9TH using about 3450w.

Here is the current status of the unit:

Here is the live power draw:

Outlet A3 = 14th S9
Outlet C3 = 13.5th S9
Outlet E2 = Whatsminer M10s

Here it is on the pool:

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Quote from: fanatic26_ on November 21, 2018, 11:22:43 AM

2 would be a minimum of 33 amps....I wouldnt recommend it

edit: I guess if you fed it a full 240v it might only draw 15 amps each, still way over the circuits continuous rating

Yea, and they're louder than s9's so the wife would not be happy, nor neighbors.

HagssFIN

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The amount of power consumption per one unit, just wow.. Cheesy

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Quote from: minefarmbuy on November 21, 2018, 12:06:54 AM

What about a 30a 240 line? think I could squeeze two?

2 would be a minimum of 33 amps....I wouldnt recommend it

edit: I guess if you fed it a full 240v it might only draw 15 amps each, still way over the circuits continuous rating

minefarmbuy

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What about a 30a 240 line? think I could squeeze two?

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Quote from: philipma1957 on November 19, 2018, 10:55:26 PM

That is 1 unit per 20 amp circuit. Damn

Yep, its currently pulling 16.7 amps, my poor PDU is flashing and begging for relief but its pumping out a steady 55.2 TH over the last 20 hours or so.

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Quote from: fanatic26_ on November 19, 2018, 06:09:26 PM

The M10S is very loud. I heard it firing up in the middle of a rack of s9s clear as day in my very noisy datacenter.

Mine is currently hashing at 54.87TH @ 3455w. It has only been on for a few minutes, once i have let it run for a while I will post a review of what I have seen so far.

This thing is a monster!

That is 1 unit per 20 amp circuit. Damn

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Glad to hear you got one up and running. Looking forward to your review of the gear.

I'll update the current hardware thread to reflect this gear after anyone's review and photos post up.

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The M10S is very loud. I heard it firing up in the middle of a rack of s9s clear as day in my very noisy datacenter.

Mine is currently hashing at 54.87TH @ 3455w. It has only been on for a few minutes, once i have let it run for a while I will post a review of what I have seen so far.

This thing is a monster!

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Yep. Bigger fans. Very loud. Will try to post a video.

HagssFIN

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I don't know about the M10S model,
because I have not had one.

But I do know that the M10 model is very loud.

HagssFIN

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No, unfortunately I have not reached anyone so far from the MicroBT

minefarmbuy

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We are not retail.

HF do you have a microBT contact? Their email gets returned.

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@offordscott

Okay, thanks for the clarification. I got to say that I don't have a M10s.

It seems that the actual nominal max. power capacity is slightly less than mentioned in the MicroBT website.

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Quote from: offordscott on November 13, 2018, 02:02:57 PM

What voltage are you running at? 208v, 220v, 240v?

220-230V

Quote from: Steamtyme on November 13, 2018, 03:04:40 PM

Well that looks like their really playing fast and loose with max power draw.

Is there any info regarding burn in for long term 24 hour operation? Just curious as I've always been weary of built un PSU's

starting on weekend i will put the miner in my farm for long term test

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Well that looks like their really playing fast and loose with max power draw.

Is there any info regarding burn in for long term 24 hour operation? Just curious as I've always been weary of built un PSU's

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HagssFIN

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It is actually a 3350 Watt power supply unit. WhatsPower P20. specs--> http://www.microbt.com/

With full load and 95% nominal power efficiency, the theoretical max. power at wall is about 3526 Watt.

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What voltage are you running at? 208v, 220v, 240v?

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Quote from: ?? on ??

The M10S comes to around $50/TH and comes with a built-in 3200W PSU. The fans are 5.5" x 5.5" (139.7mm x 139.7mm).

wait what...3200W psu but on 55TH the unit consumes 3500W? Cheesy

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Glad to hear some have made it out. These are the sold demo units I'm guessing.

Can you guys post photos or screencaps of the logs and gui for everyone to checkout.

I heard these were being priced at 3200 anyone know for sure if that's what they are going to launch at? I want to get as much info as possible to update them on the hardware list.

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I just received 1 M10S today, getting 51 tH/s and 3213 watts at the wall in low power mode. Exactly 63 W/TH. I don't think my PDU can handle regular power mode so I didn't test it; I was already getting warnings on the PDU with low power mode set.

vincl

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i get about 55.4TH (slushpool) @3500 watts, 1 hour average
but have to wait until 24h average. seems promosing.

i mean, 16nm vs bitmain 7nm BIT*H. and its even without asicboost

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Be cool to hear more about these. Our first orders started arriving early this week for buyers.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on November 09, 2018, 01:51:02 PM

If it runs like the m10 you will like it .

My 2 m10's have been flawless.

Yea I am pretty excited to test it out.

Thanks Scott!

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Yes, the demo units are for sale. Please message me on Telegram: https://t.me/offordscott

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Quote from: fanatic26_ on November 09, 2018, 12:27:45 PM

Is there a way to get hands on a demo, ive got 40 mw to fill and I need to figure out what hardware we want to go with sooner rather than later

If it runs like the m10 you will like it .

My 2 m10's have been flawless.

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The M10S is shipping on January 30, 2019.

Bulk orders are being taken by WhatsMiner.net for the USA market now.

Some larger farms have prototype models in-hand. Reviews coming soon.

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Quote from: offordscott on November 09, 2018, 11:49:08 AM

Some larger farms have prototype models in-hand. Reviews coming soon.

Is there a way to get hands on a demo, ive got 40 mw to fill and I need to figure out what hardware we want to go with sooner rather than later

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Quote from: philipma1957 on October 29, 2018, 11:22:57 AM

maybe if you let me

Lol, Philip you're a very welcome buyer.

Looks like just a few units left in this batch. We're closing orders for credit as routing time is longer for those payments.

55th/3500w was the spec communicated.

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Quote from: minefarmbuy on October 28, 2018, 08:08:53 PM

Yup, site down. We got pricing but not spec. Taking pre orders if buyers like.

maybe if you let me

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Oh, weird. Get them while they're hot. I imagine pano's website is down.

Yup, site down. We got pricing but not spec. Taking pre orders if buyers like.

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Oh, weird. Get them while their hot. I imagine pano's website is down.

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In Stock. 2 Day Shipping.

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No, their not concerned with tariffs to the US. I see the withdraw of listing to move more sales to the m10. Still lots of learning for marketing in this space.

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Follows how Innosilicon has "sold out" of the T2T+32. Think they're pulling these products until they see how the tariffs shake out?

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Whatsminer stuff looks great.

Easy yo be enthusiastic about it till pricing comes into play. Love what their doing but over priced and will be even less accessible till we find out how exemption turns out for tariffs.

Edit. After I posted this I checked Pano's website. M10s has been removed and don't see any tweets about it anymore.

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... dont buy.
Sorry Scott, but Halong was damage enough to the community.

WhatsMiner will not bring you money or ROI.
Same like Halong or Inno.

Just see what chip design they use (10nm from Samsung, 14nm or 16nm).
But they gain the same efficiency like the odd and old 16nm Bitmain chips.

IT IS ALL ABOUT DESIGN and about HASH/WATT.
And this chip design of Bitmain - translated to a 10nm or 7nm chip is like the one ring: To rule them all.

7nm chip was announced 8 hours before on Bitmain:
ALL BASE BELONG TO US Cheesy

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Quote from: HagssFIN on September 21, 2018, 07:56:42 AM

Just guess how I feel when I think about that miner and my 16A/230V circuits. Grin

I'm kicking myself for not installing 30A instead of 20A. A larger subpanel with 5x30A is infinitely better than the 5x20A I have... except for the heat and noise.

Lesson for people jumping into the mining world: more power is always better than less power!

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Quote from: mikez_nj on September 21, 2018, 07:54:23 AM

Wow, I can't wait to see the pricing.

The 55TH @3500 will be almost maxing one of my 20A/240V circuits (3840 usable)! Shocked

Just guess how I feel when I think about that miner and my 16A/230V circuits. Grin

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Wow, I can't wait to see the pricing.

The 55TH @3500 will be almost maxing one of my 20A/240V circuits (3840 usable)! Shocked

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Quote from: HagssFIN on September 20, 2018, 11:05:09 AM

I like the 44Th/s model more because of the insanely good efficiency and better amount of load for 16 Amp circuit.

edit: btw. see my m10 review here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/reviewguide-whatsminer-m10-330-ths-2145w-bitcoin-sha-256-asic-miner-5033998

I posted 3 videos in your m10 thread.

these guys are making monsters.

44th
54th

I guess I have to try to get one of them based on this unit.

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I like the 44Th/s model more because of the insanely good efficiency and better amount of load for 16 Amp circuit.

edit: btw. see my m10 review here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/reviewguide-whatsminer-m10-330-ths-2145w-bitcoin-sha-256-asic-miner-5033998

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well the m10 does 34.5 th at 68 watts a th which is the best gear I ever owned.

if these do 44th at 60 watts
and 54th at 65 watts it would be amazing improvement .

I did multiple videos of the 34.5th m10 on you tube

I now have got to get one of these

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Quote from: offordscott on September 19, 2018, 09:12:10 PM

Announcing the WhatsMiner M10S 44TH @ 60W/TH or 55TH @ 65W/TH SHA-256 16nm Miner:

See the post on Medium: https://medium.com/whatsminer/7841de3eab96

See the Tweet on Twitter: https://twitter.com/whatsminer/status/1042384733706104832

Not many details available yet.

That's a lot of power....yikes!

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Announcing the WhatsMiner M10S 44TH @ 60W/TH or 55TH @ 65W/TH SHA-256 16nm Miner:

See the post on Medium: https://medium.com/whatsminer/7841de3eab96

See the Tweet on Twitter: https://twitter.com/offordscott/status/1042442885063483398

Not many details available yet. Ships in the end of January 2019.

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