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Quote from: redhack on August 30, 2023, 07:53:44 AM

Good for Gabonese people. It wasn't the best option but things will be better for them.

I wish freedom to all African countries.

Freedom from bad governments, corruption, and injustice. That's what African countries really want as it stands now because the level of corruption in African countries is not something to write good of since the African countries started to practice a democratic system of government no longer military government.

At least seven of the African countries(Niger, Sudan, Gabon, Burkina Faso, Chad, Guinea, and Mali) from West African countries have set themselves free through military coups.

The next African country to set itself free soon is the giant of Africa(Nigeria). That will only happen if the judiciary doesn't make the right verdict that will favor the masses.

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Quote from: Okwara on August 30, 2023, 07:45:31 AM

Early this morning the military in Gabon announced on national television that they've taken over power from the president, Ali Bongo after the electoral body declared him winner of the just concluded general elections.

The Junta said that the election wasn't transparent and credible. They also stated that serious institutional, political, economic instability and social crises are the reasons responsible for the coup that they tagged, ‘necessary’ for the progress of the West African country.

My question now is, do you think military regime is better and should be the way forward?

Africans is blessed with natural resources but are under the management of corrupt leaders who claims to be democratic on the continent. president Ali Bongo and family was in power for over 53 years without the people feeling the impact of democracy.
there is a say that says, the worst democracy is better than the best military government. but let me ask, a democratic government in which the lives of the masses are not treasured, not worse than the military government in which the basic needs of the people are met.
I'm in full support of military in all African countries for proper restoration of Africa glory.

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Quote from: paxmao on September 02, 2023, 04:40:15 PM

There is no way to progress under a junta. Time after time it has been proven that the generals and dictators in Africa are concerned with keeping power, channelling the income from natural resources and foreign aid into their bank accounts in Switzerland, Barbados, or whatever haven they have chosen. Progress can only be achieved when people have a say in government.

There seems to be a continuous flow of posts and media justifying and even supporting dictatorships that cannot be just by chance. There are many bots and trolls sending biased messages confusing progress with dictatorships which is actually proven wrong by history.

I completely agree with you. It is like people in Africa and around the world have forgotten what history of dictatorships in Africa was supposed to teach all of us about African authoritarians; they are not saviors who are going to defeat corruption and under development, they will further sink the country into ignorance and poverty when start to fall into corrupt practices.

Also, it is not a coincidence we are seeing so many posts and publications around internet which are favorable to the military juntas and amplify the apparent anti-french sentiment in those African countries, it has been proven in these latest years how efficient the Russian government and their farms are when comes to spread their propaganda in social media to distort the view people have on such important political matters. Someone who may not aware of it and gets bombarded with those posts, eventually could even believe that the junta and an hypothetical Russian-African alliance is the solution to get those Republics out poverty. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: Okwara on August 30, 2023, 07:45:31 AM

My question now is, do you think military regime is better and should be the way forward?

Of course not. The military regime can only be good temporarily until security is established in the country, but after that power must be relinquished to a legitimately elected president in free and fair elections under the supervision of the United Nations.

But if the military wants to cling to power, who will stop them?

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Quote from: Gyfts on September 03, 2023, 12:14:25 AM

Military regimes are not democrat nor are they sustainable. It's difficult to point to a current lasting military regime.

They turn authoritarian very quickly. The best case scenario is for a military regime to transition to a civilian regime, though people are reluctant to give up power once they achieve it, hence the perpetual state of violence in African countries.

You are not wrong in your assertion. However in Africa, it seems like both the civilian government and military government are the same and having the same characteristics only that the civilian still retain legislature who they gag to become the stooge or puppet to the president. The civilian also allow the judiciary as camouflage and never obey their judgement. So if the military after taking over would ensure that while returning the country back into a new democratically elected president would ensure he doesn't continue flagrant abuse of power, that would better. Africa needs working institutions and that is how military regime would stop .

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Military regimes are not democrat nor are they sustainable. It's difficult to point to a current lasting military regime.

They turn authoritarian very quickly. The best case scenario is for a military regime to transition to a civilian regime, though people are reluctant to give up power once they achieve it, hence the perpetual state of violence in African countries.

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There is no way to progress under a junta. Time after time it has been proven that the generals and dictators in Africa are concerned with keeping power, channelling the income from natural resources and foreign aid into their bank accounts in Switzerland, Barbados, or whatever haven they have chosen. Progress can only be achieved when people have a say in government.

There seems to be a continuous flow of posts and media justifying and even supporting dictatorships that cannot be just by chance. There are many bots and trolls sending biased messages confusing progress with dictatorships which is actually proven wrong by history.

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Whilst military regime may claim to offer stability and progress, the broader ramifications must be considered. Military takeovers are frequently associated with the suspension of democratic procedures and the restriction of civil liberties. In the case of Gabon, it is a lack of transparency in the democratic electoral system that brings in successive governments. As a result, it is critical to prioritise transparent and credible elections that respect the decision of the people. Gabonese citizens are tired of the status quo, as well as the little country's economic underdevelopment.

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Quote from: Stepstowealth on August 31, 2023, 01:18:46 PM

Quote from: Okwara on August 30, 2023, 07:45:31 AM

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Another coup in Africa, which African country will be next? Some suggested Cameroon, Equatorial Guinea, some say Rwanda. I think Cameron and Equatorial Guinea may be next because of how long their leaders have stayed in power and the high rate in poverty. The leaders of Cameroon and Rwanda have reacted to the coup in Gabon by retiring some top military personnel who they know can have that influence and reshuffling the positions held by some security personnel, but that may just be a temporary solution to something that looks inevitable.

https://www.thecable.ng/rwanda-cameroon-reshuffle-military-positions-after-gabon-coup

Gen. Brice Clotaire Oligui Nguema Gabon's new military leader was close to the Bongo family. He was the aide-de-camp for the deposed president's father, the late President Omar Bongo. Restructuring the military is not the solution to the wave of coups sweeping Africa. Africans want good governance and better economic conditions. Africans don't care who is in government, just give them good living conditions. Paul Kagame the president of Rwanda has ordered the retirement of 12 military generals and 1,013 military officers. The 90-year-old Cameroon President Paul Biya has ordered a major reform in the defense military. These changes will only postpone the doomsday and they should not also forget that retired generals can orchestrate a coup.

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Quote from: Okwara on August 30, 2023, 07:45:31 AM

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Another coup in Africa, which African country will be next? Some suggested Cameroon, Equatorial Guinea, some say Rwanda. I think Cameron and Equatorial Guinea may be next because of how long their leaders have stayed in power and the high rate in poverty. The leaders of Cameroon and Rwanda have reacted to the coup in Gabon by retiring some top military personnel who they know can have that influence and reshuffling the positions held by some security personnel, but that may just be a temporary solution to something that looks inevitable.

https://www.thecable.ng/rwanda-cameroon-reshuffle-military-positions-after-gabon-coup

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Quote from: Gozie51 on August 30, 2023, 08:15:42 AM

This is my simple response. If the civilian government or democratic government have become a pain in the flesh of the people the why not stay in military regime.

due to for generations the government has been powered by a single family (the bongo's) then it was not a civilian government due it only been empowered by a self nominated monarch

due to for generations the government has been powered by a single family (the bongo's) then it was not a democratic government due it only been empowered by a self nominated monarch

however due to the coup where the head of the military(current transitional leader) was the bodyguard of the family.. the new shift in power is still loosely siding with the same household. just no longer by blood descendant

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the military have no experience of domestic responsibility for certain public service management. so the transition to an experienced government of representatives that know how to service the citizens needs to be found

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Quote from: Okwara on August 30, 2023, 07:45:31 AM

My question now is, do you think military regime is better and should be the way forward?

There have been more than a thousand successful coups on the African countries since the 1950s. Military coups have become the only approved means of transferring power in some countries.

As for Gabon, there was a big lie called “democracy of civilian rule” only because elections were held every 7 years. But in reality, the post-independence period of power was shared in the 1960s between Omar Bengu for 42 years (six consecutive election cycles) and his son Ali Omar Bengu for 14 years (two election cycles) before he was overthrown after his recent victory for a third presidential term. . In effect, it is a dictatorial rule with a democratic cover.

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Quote from: redhack on August 30, 2023, 07:53:44 AM

Good for Gabonese people. It wasn't the best option but things will be better for them.

I wish freedom to all African countries.

The biggest freedom people have is to freely realize that they have the ability to be free... if they only use it. If you think you're not free, you are right... just like you are free if you think you are. But you might have to be smart to maintain your freedom.

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Quote from: Okwara on August 30, 2023, 07:45:31 AM

My question now is, do you think military regime is better and should be the way forward?

This is my simple response. If the civilian government or democratic government have become a pain in the flesh of the people the why not stay in military regime.

Many African government are corrupt and will rig and force themselves into power. So if they are forcing themselves into power without the will of the people being allowed then it is as good as military rule. African leadership is corrupt and they won't allow for free and fair election but to manipulate themselves into power. Like in Nigeria, the presidential election conducted on 25th of February is still in tribunal court , so the legimacy of the present government in Nigeria is still in question in court.

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Good for Gabonese people. It wasn't the best option but things will be better for them.

I wish freedom to all African countries.

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Early this morning the military in Gabon announced on national television that they've taken over power from the president, Ali Bongo after the electoral body declared him winner of the just concluded general elections.

The Junta said that the election wasn't transparent and credible. They also stated that serious institutional, political, economic instability and social crises are the reasons responsible for the coup that they tagged, ‘necessary’ for the progress of the West African country.

My question now is, do you think military regime is better and should be the way forward?

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