, this was absolutely the final test, I got enough data to see that gambling and playing slots is dumb, really really dumb and I don't suggest it to anyone unless you want to lose money in the fastest possible way. Even in the remote ever case that you hit a max win (good luck on that) you will still feel the excitement and you most likely won't withdraw your money right away putting you at more risk of losing that money too or a big part of it, so not worthy in every prism you look at this shit and this is my final advice while I am going to lock the thread, I think it is enough the numbers of 20 wins and 90 loses with buy bonus feature to get to the conclusion I came here. 
Topic: Another experiment. Pragmatic strange behavior. (Read 211 times)
Well I decided to extend the experiment to a few other new games as I was playing an old one, I switch to Mad Merlin Megaways and even worse than old games , this was absolutely the final test, I got enough data to see that gambling and playing slots is dumb, really really dumb and I don't suggest it to anyone unless you want to lose money in the fastest possible way. Even in the remote ever case that you hit a max win (good luck on that) you will still feel the excitement and you most likely won't withdraw your money right away putting you at more risk of losing that money too or a big part of it, so not worthy in every prism you look at this shit and this is my final advice while I am going to lock the thread, I think it is enough the numbers of 20 wins and 90 loses with buy bonus feature to get to the conclusion I came here.
, this was absolutely the final test, I got enough data to see that gambling and playing slots is dumb, really really dumb and I don't suggest it to anyone unless you want to lose money in the fastest possible way. Even in the remote ever case that you hit a max win (good luck on that) you will still feel the excitement and you most likely won't withdraw your money right away putting you at more risk of losing that money too or a big part of it, so not worthy in every prism you look at this shit and this is my final advice while I am going to lock the thread, I think it is enough the numbers of 20 wins and 90 loses with buy bonus feature to get to the conclusion I came here. 
for me it means nothing as I see the bigger picture which things definitely has changed in this provider
Maybe you have changed? You used to be lucky, now you are not... You say that the slot "must" give you something... it doesn't have to! I think you have too high expectations, maybe you used to wine, now a bad period has come and that's it.
By the way, you are talking about normal bonus buys, I have losing streaks with super bonus buys... imagine that? Buying a super bonus with $100-$200 and winning $1-$2 (x5-x10). But I am not complaining... we are talking about slots. Many times I wrote here that slots are tricky, they can give a lot, but they can take even more.
Making complains wouldn't change a thing because at every point of your loss there are others incurring higher losses than yours, so it's either he quits from playing pragmatic slot or make use of an amount he would have no course to complain if lost while also hoping you get lucky someday's.
So, you'll be playing slots from Pragmatic Play once again?
The last time I read your story about this game provider you called it a scam. As a matter of fact, you were ranting that it's the worse type of scam one will ever encounter. It seems you're not new to this experience anymore. But it seems funny that you're back.
Would you not react or be frustrated any longer if the x100 bonus that you bought would yield 0x?
The last time I read your story about this game provider you called it a scam. As a matter of fact, you were ranting that it's the worse type of scam one will ever encounter. It seems you're not new to this experience anymore. But it seems funny that you're back.
Would you not react or be frustrated any longer if the x100 bonus that you bought would yield 0x?
I still call it a form of "scam" because well over 100 buy bonus and not reaching the final level once suggest just that, don't be fooled by the profit, for me it means nothing as I see the bigger picture which things definitely has changed in this provider and that is the aim of this thread, showing the true colors of this provider, still can't believe from being the best one to give people a max win almost every month and being converted to this pile of shit which only few people play now.
Well, nothing lasts forever as they say.
Times change. And that was before. Even in the new casinos, the promotions and offers are far from what old casinos were doing when they were starting.
But yes I would also be frustrated when you expect yield and all the disappointment in the end. Maybe this time you won't try playing this game anymore. It's just going to remind you of how you are fooled again.
but you clearly stated in your other post that you will not be playing again on stake wonder why you decided to come back. This only shows how much you enjoyed playing that same game.. you were shocked to win this time which I guess might be luring you to play again.. it might be a way to draw you back as a long time player not to exit their casino..
I wouldn't be surprised at op because when someone used a particular site or gambling/casino site and have been using such site for long time would come if that person doesn't win as regular s/he would feel that there is possibly a manipulation were he is no longer securing winning as usual and can terned the site to be scam one. When they can control their actions and leave to other casinos and noticed the already leaved casino/gambling site is even more fair than that which they were using, they wouldn't mind running back to the previous which they left before. This is what I noticed from op. 
It's not just them. Truly, they are offering a high RTP rate but their bonus spins are kind of weird because whenever the multiplier comes out, you will win nothing. There was one time I was playing one slot game and I reached the x100 multiplier and still I got x2 total win of my bet. Imagine that, 25 bonus spins and I just gained $0.2 from a $0.1 bet. 
It's crazy and I think the slot providers are getting greedy with this kind of algorithm. That's why I stopped playing slot providers after I tested them and they are not giving anything on normal spins. I mean, I now like slots where you can win on both sides, from grinding and not relying on bonus spins only.
It's crazy and I think the slot providers are getting greedy with this kind of algorithm. That's why I stopped playing slot providers after I tested them and they are not giving anything on normal spins. I mean, I now like slots where you can win on both sides, from grinding and not relying on bonus spins only.
most probably I should change slot provider and give it a try.
Yes, you should change slot provider to have more opportunities to win the game. Maybe your lucky will comes in the other slot game provider. We must responsible with our gambling activities and only use the money you can afford to lose. I guess some people can win big money as you say but we can not follow what they do because we have different luck from them. Besides that, we will not know when we can win so we don't have to take a big risk of losing the money. Next time, you don't have to buy bonus from what you did before because that will not guarantee you can win big like other people.hero member
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most probably I should change slot provider and give it a try.
Yes, you should change slot provider to have more opportunities to win the game. Maybe your lucky will comes in the other slot game provider. We must responsible with our gambling activities and only use the money you can afford to lose. I guess some people can win big money as you say but we can not follow what they do because we have different luck from them. Besides that, we will not know when we can win so we don't have to take a big risk of losing the money. Next time, you don't have to buy bonus from what you did before because that will not guarantee you can win big like other people. 
Should we take it as real strange while in fact it is purely based on your own luck?
It is simply you are lucky enough with that smaller bet, but you should also aware that you may also get bad losing streak with smaller bet.
Will you then create another thread if in the future you get better luck with bigger base bet and call it the same as "strange"?
I am 100% agree with what is said by iv4n previously, we are talking about slot specifically or gambling in general where there is no "must" or "guarantee" when it comes to buy bonus.
It is simply you are lucky enough with that smaller bet, but you should also aware that you may also get bad losing streak with smaller bet.
Will you then create another thread if in the future you get better luck with bigger base bet and call it the same as "strange"?
I am 100% agree with what is said by iv4n previously, we are talking about slot specifically or gambling in general where there is no "must" or "guarantee" when it comes to buy bonus.
So, are you blame Pragmatic Play provider alone or Pragmatic Play provider on Stake?
If you think something wrong happen with Pragmatic Play, you should move to other providers and compare the results. If the results is same in the long run, it means there was nothing wrong with Pragmatic Play, instead your expectation is high.
There's no sure win in gambling, I believe you know that.
If you think something wrong happen with Pragmatic Play, you should move to other providers and compare the results. If the results is same in the long run, it means there was nothing wrong with Pragmatic Play, instead your expectation is high.
There's no sure win in gambling, I believe you know that.
but you clearly stated in your other post that you will not be playing again on stake wonder why you decided to come back. This only shows how much you enjoyed playing that same game.. you were shocked to win this time which I guess might be luring you to play again.. it might be a way to draw you back as a long time player not to exit their casino..
In addition to enjoying the game I think he was also satisfied with the outcome of the game. And that is a huge factor that determines whether a player returns to playing more rounds or totally discontinues. Lastly, in this case I can conclude that he will continue playing on Stake until he experiences maybe a dissatisfaction with the game.There are too high expectations, in addition to the fact that there are winners who are luckier. OP will try again because he is prone to comparing himself with others. If someone loses, then I am not the only one; just as if someone deserves high winnings, I am not worse. OP is not the kind of person who will suddenly stop playing; some amateurs rarely visit the casino, but others go to the casino as if it were their home. At least, I think that OP is like that.
but you clearly stated in your other post that you will not be playing again on stake wonder why you decided to come back. This only shows how much you enjoyed playing that same game.. you were shocked to win this time which I guess might be luring you to play again.. it might be a way to draw you back as a long time player not to exit their casino..
In addition to enjoying the game I think he was also satisfied with the outcome of the game. And that is a huge factor that determines whether a player returns to playing more rounds or totally discontinues. Lastly, in this case I can conclude that he will continue playing on Stake until he experiences maybe a dissatisfaction with the game. for me it means nothing as I see the bigger picture which things definitely has changed in this provider
Maybe you have changed? You used to be lucky, now you are not... You say that the slot "must" give you something... it doesn't have to! I think you have too high expectations, maybe you used to wine, now a bad period has come and that's it.
By the way, you are talking about normal bonus buys, I have losing streaks with super bonus buys... imagine that? Buying a super bonus with $100-$200 and winning $1-$2 (x5-x10). But I am not complaining... we are talking about slots. Many times I wrote here that slots are tricky, they can give a lot, but they can take even more.
It is at least somewhat reassuring for me and am sorry for such bad luck for you to know that people have suffered even worse. However in those super bonuses when they hit it big and win you get a minimum of over x2000 or more as they go often on a spree when you win. So if you can afford it without being hurt in your economy then by all means keep trying until you hit that win. Yesterday I saw someone winning over 34 Ethereum with an x5700 at Hacksaw gaming so most probably I should change slot provider and give it a try.
Maybe @OP needs to try with other slot providers so he can have a chance to win. I see other slot game have buy bonus like a slot game from Pragmatic Play. Who knows he can have his luck and win some from that slot. We never know when we can win on slot game and even if we buy bonus for 100 times but we don't have a guarantee to win big.
We must consider that slot game is a gambling games based on the luck. So whether you buy bonus for X times but none of luck, you will not win anything and only waste your money.
We must consider that slot game is a gambling games based on the luck. So whether you buy bonus for X times but none of luck, you will not win anything and only waste your money.
The last time I read your story about this game provider you called it a scam. As a matter of fact, you were ranting that it's the worse type of scam one will ever encounter. It seems you're not new to this experience anymore. But it seems funny that you're back.
Sometimes even when something is confirmed to be a scam or cheating on someone, you still have to give them a little try after some period of time, either because you just love the game or because you went to give them a benefit of doubt to try it again and see if something has improved from the last time, but it seems like the Op got disappointed for the second time again. 
So, you'll be playing slots from Pragmatic Play once again?
The last time I read your story about this game provider you called it a scam. As a matter of fact, you were ranting that it's the worse type of scam one will ever encounter. It seems you're not new to this experience anymore. But it seems funny that you're back.
Would you not react or be frustrated any longer if the x100 bonus that you bought would yield 0x?
The last time I read your story about this game provider you called it a scam. As a matter of fact, you were ranting that it's the worse type of scam one will ever encounter. It seems you're not new to this experience anymore. But it seems funny that you're back.
Would you not react or be frustrated any longer if the x100 bonus that you bought would yield 0x?
Exactly, I was about to ask the same, maybe he later doubt his luck instead of the casino game? When are people going to learn that luck is a tricky thing, as a smart gambler you are it is impossible to keep getting lucky from time to time, things will change as time goes by, your strategy will expire in no time.
I will never gamble for life changing money, all these high wagers are not for me, I know what gambling is in and out, there is no way its going to get the best of me, never.
for me it means nothing as I see the bigger picture which things definitely has changed in this provider
Maybe you have changed? You used to be lucky, now you are not... You say that the slot "must" give you something... it doesn't have to! I think you have too high expectations, maybe you used to wine, now a bad period has come and that's it.
By the way, you are talking about normal bonus buys, I have losing streaks with super bonus buys... imagine that? Buying a super bonus with $100-$200 and winning $1-$2 (x5-x10). But I am not complaining... we are talking about slots. Many times I wrote here that slots are tricky, they can give a lot, but they can take even more.
but you clearly stated in your other post that you will not be playing again on stake wonder why you decided to come back. This only shows how much you enjoyed playing that same game..
He has the option or alternative to go to other online casinos to play the game. Probably he could have tried other online casino to understand the truth that the games are the same on all the reputed gambling sites. If you play, you have high chance to lose but you can be lucky and win instead. That is how casino games are. He probably moved to other casinos and see that they are all the same and move back to Stake. 
I still call it a form of "scam" because well over 100 buy bonus and not reaching the final level once suggest just that, don't be fooled by the profit, for me it means nothing as I see the bigger picture which things definitely has changed in this provider and that is the aim of this thread, showing the true colors of this provider, still can't believe from being the best one to give people a max win almost every month and being converted to this pile of shit which only few people play now.
It's a normal thing to wonder if the whole idea is just there to play out like a scam as sometimes you just dont get your profits as expected.. but you clearly stated in your other post that you will not be playing again on stake wonder why you decided to come back. This only shows how much you enjoyed playing that same game.. you were shocked to win this time which I guess might be luring you to play again.. it might be a way to draw you back as a long time player not to exit their casino.. So, you'll be playing slots from Pragmatic Play once again?
The last time I read your story about this game provider you called it a scam. As a matter of fact, you were ranting that it's the worse type of scam one will ever encounter. It seems you're not new to this experience anymore. But it seems funny that you're back.
Would you not react or be frustrated any longer if the x100 bonus that you bought would yield 0x?
The last time I read your story about this game provider you called it a scam. As a matter of fact, you were ranting that it's the worse type of scam one will ever encounter. It seems you're not new to this experience anymore. But it seems funny that you're back.
Would you not react or be frustrated any longer if the x100 bonus that you bought would yield 0x?
I still call it a form of "scam" because well over 100 buy bonus and not reaching the final level once suggest just that, don't be fooled by the profit, for me it means nothing as I see the bigger picture which things definitely has changed in this provider and that is the aim of this thread, showing the true colors of this provider, still can't believe from being the best one to give people a max win almost every month and being converted to this pile of shit which only few people play now.
So, you'll be playing slots from Pragmatic Play once again?
The last time I read your story about this game provider you called it a scam. As a matter of fact, you were ranting that it's the worse type of scam one will ever encounter. It seems you're not new to this experience anymore. But it seems funny that you're back.
Would you not react or be frustrated any longer if the x100 bonus that you bought would yield 0x?
it is a common disease that occurs, many pragmatic slot players do feel strange, annoyed, stressed because of defeat or results that tend to be disappointing. But the funny thing is they still come back with the expression to try their luck. I'm sure Op is no longer strange to this type of game and I'm sure everyone has experienced strange or annoyed feelings, whether it's OP, me or you yourself, but that's normal because usually the results that occur affect our feelings.The last time I read your story about this game provider you called it a scam. As a matter of fact, you were ranting that it's the worse type of scam one will ever encounter. It seems you're not new to this experience anymore. But it seems funny that you're back.
Would you not react or be frustrated any longer if the x100 bonus that you bought would yield 0x?
I doubt that buying a bonus of more than x100 doesn't frustrate OP, it is possible that more aggressive annoyance will occur and be felt by OP if the results are all disappointing. I even think if that happens it can make him depressed.
I like to experiment and reinstated my account at Stake to just do a last test there and it is funny because when you are playing for real the last time and sticking to it religiously (meaning never raising the bet but playing with 40.000 IDR buy bonuses) the funny thing it gave wins overall.
I am still not happy for the simple reason that after more than 100 bonus buys, again for spammers here not normal spins but bonus buys and not a single time reached level 5 at the Rabbit Garden slot, so despite winning a bit it is still a form of "cheating" in my opinion to play more than 100 buy bonuses and never reaching the final level, years before in every 20-30 spins this was easily reachable, again there is definitely something wrong with Pragmatic Slots.
Making a bonus purchase of more than 100 is crazy, I mean you have to allocate a lot of money to be able to do that, although there is a possibility that occasionally the bonus purchase will be profitable, but I think the most likely outcome is just disappointing. But we don't know whether we will win or not, by gambling on slots or pragmatics. I myself gambled last night because I got news of an update that was happening and I allocated my money to complete it which made me curious, but I was very lucky last night without taking long for the gambling I did to produce a fairly large win.I am still not happy for the simple reason that after more than 100 bonus buys, again for spammers here not normal spins but bonus buys and not a single time reached level 5 at the Rabbit Garden slot, so despite winning a bit it is still a form of "cheating" in my opinion to play more than 100 buy bonuses and never reaching the final level, years before in every 20-30 spins this was easily reachable, again there is definitely something wrong with Pragmatic Slots.
The funny thing that I often find is that when we gamble on pragmatic slots with the aim of getting profit, it tends to end in disappointment, but when we do it for fun, sometimes it results in profit, this is strange but it is also impossible for victory to be based on that because it is also ridiculous, so I think luck plays a role.
By the way, I myself am not the type of gambler who prefers to buy bonuses, but rather hunting haha.
So, you'll be playing slots from Pragmatic Play once again?
The last time I read your story about this game provider you called it a scam. As a matter of fact, you were ranting that it's the worse type of scam one will ever encounter. It seems you're not new to this experience anymore. But it seems funny that you're back.
Would you not react or be frustrated any longer if the x100 bonus that you bought would yield 0x?
The last time I read your story about this game provider you called it a scam. As a matter of fact, you were ranting that it's the worse type of scam one will ever encounter. It seems you're not new to this experience anymore. But it seems funny that you're back.
Would you not react or be frustrated any longer if the x100 bonus that you bought would yield 0x?
I like to experiment and reinstated my account at Stake to just do a last test there and it is funny because when you are playing for real the last time and sticking to it religiously (meaning never raising the bet but playing with 40.000 IDR buy bonuses) the funny thing it gave wins overall.
I am still not happy for the simple reason that after more than 100 bonus buys, again for spammers here not normal spins but bonus buys and not a single time reached level 5 at the Rabbit Garden slot, so despite winning a bit it is still a form of "cheating" in my opinion to play more than 100 buy bonuses and never reaching the final level, years before in every 20-30 spins this was easily reachable, again there is definitely something wrong with Pragmatic Slots.
I am still not happy for the simple reason that after more than 100 bonus buys, again for spammers here not normal spins but bonus buys and not a single time reached level 5 at the Rabbit Garden slot, so despite winning a bit it is still a form of "cheating" in my opinion to play more than 100 buy bonuses and never reaching the final level, years before in every 20-30 spins this was easily reachable, again there is definitely something wrong with Pragmatic Slots.
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