Topic: Another "Legednary" newbie (Read 656 times)

These are set of people that came into the forum just to renounce making quality posts and aspiring on building strong and trusted accounts over bounties and campaign managements .
Well, I'd support mocacines for what he said, we shouldn't just despise them because this forum has been synchronized for very many purposes so anyone that decides to use it on his own discreetion should do so at his own decisions and risks

There's a very nice tool where you can check the percent of posts of each user in each section and the how frequent the user is posting. No need to browse the whole history of the person to check if he posted outside of the Bounties.
Thanks to @TryNinja's tool the info is very informative and easy to access, here it is: https://ninjastic.space

Here is the Daniel Khan info link:
https://ninjastic.space/user/id/2228189

And here is the akhmadfirmansyahcibi one:
https://ninjastic.space/user/id/1831589

Just by looking at the first page of the post history make me lazy to check all the pages where the first page already starts at Bounty reports. If merit is not implemented then those 16 forum users would already be legendaries. Good thing that there's merits required for ranking up prevents them from increase their rank through posting of bounty reports. Bounty reports here, bounty reports there and bounty reports everywhere  good thing there's mods who will delete useless posts.

LOL, good thing you checked, I, reading through OPs post had this sense he was being ironic, and to be sure, I had to check the post history of the mentioned members, I wasn't suprised at all.
This guys are mainly bounty hunters who their only purpose of being here Is for the bounty, if for instance, bounty should be banned in this forum, they will all disappear and never come back.
But I don't blame them though, it's a life to choose, they could have  chosen to contribute positively to the forum and be rewarded for their effort, but I guess the reward is of no use to them.

And one other thing am thinking is that, maybe this guys have other account that are high ranked but reserved for contributions to the forum, and they  use this dummy accounts for bounty, if this be the case, then I see no wrong and do not blame them as well.

There are no precise guidelines that moderators follow when it comes to deleting posts. Each sub-board you post in has its own dedicated mods. Since we are talking about the altcoin boards, those are managed by mprep and Welsh. Global Moderators can delete any posts on the forum. 

Someone might have reported a few of your posts, noticed a pattern, and decided to post a note that the admins should take a closer look at your entire post history. Or one of the staff members came to the same conclusion after deleting some of your posts and remembering your name. 

We cannot judge them that either they do not want to change or they are unable to change themselves. Most of the bounties hunters are not good at written english and hence even if they post outside the bounty, they won't be able to help themselves. Perhaps this could be the reason that they never tried something else. Yes, you can say that no one is perfect and they can learn to write better, but sadly not everyone thinks in this way.

The "proof of authentication" posts are posts that prove that a particular person was the one responsible for creating social media posts on various other social media platforms.

Again, these posts are not hurting anyone. Bounty posts are in their own sub, and no bounty thread is going to interfere with anyone reading any thread.

I don't believe theymos has ever said that he doesn't care about ad revenue. He sells forum ads, so he obviously cares enough to sell ads.

Moderators also are part of the forum and visit different boards, while doing this, they can stumble on posts which need their attention without the need for a report.

Also, mods do not act on all reports, they take action based on their individual judgement. A report can include a link to the users post history if they have a lot of spam posts and the mods would take a look and decide what decision to take.

Being reputable does not affect the outcome of a report.

I want to know how the moderator delete spam post from the forum? They did go to that section and delete spam posts of those spam posts that have been deleted if someone reports them to a moderator. I am asking this because I also got a 7 days temporary ban and before that more than 100 of my post deleted by the moderator within 24 hours. So I want to know moderator did visit someone's profile to identify spam posts or they just deleted everything reported by other reputable members?

If the merit system not been introduced, really I would have really seen Legendary only posting POA and bounty reports in his post history. And here's the complete list of bounty board contributors so far according to ninjastic.space with total of posting 8,521,656: https://ninjastic.space/search?board=238

This's top 50 user in bounty board:

Bounty hunters would not get banned for posting in other sections of he forum, the would get their posts deleted if they post spam around the forum, and a temporary ban if they do not change their habits before the possibility of being permanently banned.

Newbies get to this forum and gradually post before getting aquatinted with the forum and eventually their post quality increases.
It's much different when a newbie joins and immediately starts spamming different sections for a bounty campaign, this would get their posts deleted and eventually lead to a ban.
Posting organically and improving your post quality would not get anyone banned.

He has been doing bounty for a long time and bounty workers do not post much in other sections of the forum as it may lead to ban their account.  Creating new account changing the username of social media to changing wallet address is a hassle of time.  If moderators stop banning low quality posts, they may be encouraged to post in other sections and at some point the quality of their posts will start to improve.  


I know they don't get much from a bounty project but its better than nothing. I have checked many hunters social media and found out most of them from Indonesia, Vietnam, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Russia. Unemployment problem is very high in those places so i think this low paid campaign also give them some money to live.

Wow, I arranged them only by posts in top 1000 mostposts on BPIP so I guess that's why I missed all the others. Quite often when browsing Patrol, I note some users with amazing amount of posts and 0 merit, but the weird thing is most of the time they are not in farms, I do check all the address, telegram, twitter, facebook links on the Ninjastic Space (tnx @TryNinja) and these accounts are "clean" (approx 85%).



I was thinking to reward them 1 merit.. because of the effort to be active all that time.. but I coudn't find any post to be able to give meirt to, Bounty reports will never get any merit from me..


Just go to Patrol.. you'll see thousands of them every single day, and if you spot someone with 1 meirt... check the history... many times the merit giver is with red trust for account farming ... lol

There should be a special Rank for them: Shitposter! It can have the same Activity requirements as Legendary, but requires 0 Merit.

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I refuse to consider them "substantial". Let's have a look at the latest 3 posts I find in patrol:
This user made the exact same post tens of times.

This user made similar posts 3 times, but he's only just starting with a total of 5 posts.
These posts are just meant to avoid a ban for on-forum altcoin giveaways:

Getting paid to spam Twitter, Facebook and "Teligeram". Well, I guess you can call spamming "work".

Would be a great addition, but I don't think it will happen. Bounty hunters don't read the rules. Many of them wouldn't probably even understand what is written in the rules. Even if that became a requirement, I don't think they would spend time checking their post histories to delete old bounty reports. They would rather wait for the mods to do it themselves. That just creates additional workload for the administration, so I don't see that happening.

I think there is a simple solution if the admins would like to put an end to this.


These three words added to the rules would do wonders for the Bounties section.

Just think if one day theymos decides it's time to delete all bounty reports and authentification posts? People like the ones mentioned in OP would have like 15-20 posts each. And even if you looked at just those posts, you wouldn't be able to find anything of value.

I guess they are looking at it in the following way. We apply for as many bounty campaigns as we possible can. Then from those, let's say 100 campaigns, there will surely be at least 5-10 that will pay us some tokens that can be sold on some crappy exchange. If they are lucky, they can make a few more trades on DEXs like ForkDelta, etc. I doubt those people store anything in their wallets long-term speculating that the value could go up. If it can be sold, they will sell it asap. They keep only what they have to because no one is willing to buy that, it's a scam, or the token never got listed anywhere/has no trading volume. 

The substance of a post is not limited to the text of the post; it includes the work that went into writing the text (potentially beyond typing the post).

For example, if you ask a question that requires a substantial amount of research, or computation, after conducting the required research, or performing the required calculations, I write a post with a one-word answer, my post would be substantial as a lot of work went into the post.

Similarly, the bounty hunters need to make social media posts on other platforms, and will post links to those posts as part of their bounty "reports". So there is some work that goes into the post that is not actually writing the post.

The forum does not need money, but that does not mean that the forum will not generate revenue. Theymos has certainly left a lot of money on the table by not allowing for targeted forum ads, nor "paid stickies" (the two are very similar), but I don't think it is accurate to say that theymos does not care about ad revenue. There is at least a minimal effort put into generating ad revenue for the forum.

As I mentioned in my previous post, and as you mentioned, the bounty reports posts really do not affect anyone negatively. There is an entire sub dedicated to what amounts to a place for bots to read other bots' posts, and in which there is no other conversations. So there isn't anyone trying to read conversations in the bounty sub.

For a moment I thought these were accounts held by one of the average users of the forum, i did not understand how a person could post that much without receiving some kind of positive feedback.

Then you pointed out the bounties 

And I agree with those who say the merit system works to keep in line spammers, etc.

Even though, the system may get some members in a struggling position to get merits, it is better than having spammers/bot as Legendary users around, I guess.

They would have be legendary, that supppose to be acknowledge for introduction of merit system, when checking the account presented you would know without explanation that the users are specifically for bounties and is it will be that these people have another account that is in signature that made them to lack seriousness for not to earn the minimum of 5 merit's

There are 16 such true legends (active in the last 30 days):

Inna Kulik activity: 1512, posts: 3263
akhmadfirmansyahcibi activity: 1442, posts: 4042
Cryptomonyet activity: 1372, posts: 3593
majelis37 activity: 1316, posts: 1933
nana9064 activity: 1260, posts: 3260
bitcoin4world activity: 1218, posts: 1874
Daniel Khan activity: 1218, posts: 4540
phungploi activity: 1204, posts: 1805
FHD2000 activity: 1204, posts: 1344
Jonaki50sa activity: 1176, posts: 3788
nitin8263 activity: 1120, posts: 2376
lider777 activity: 1092, posts: 1380
T4lit4z4hra activity: 1064, posts: 2600
IgorSh2018 activity: 1050, posts: 2801
@siva1978 activity: 1036, posts: 1675
Kamalpasha activity: 1036, posts: 2053

That's quite an achievement if you think about it. 2-3 thousand posts and not a shred of valuable contribution to this forum. I'd be shocked if any of them aren't just bots.

Edit: there are ~40 other users with 770+ activity, i.e. potential legendaries.

OMG!
At first, I felt bad that Op's purpose of calling out these users has been misconstrued. I was so surprised that even as OP has called out these users, some generous merit sources like fillippone and LoyceV even commented on this thread and even merited some posts here, but have refused to send even 1 merit to any of the users. I was worried that I had to bookmark the users so that if I have smerit I will send to them.
But on a second thought I decided to see their posting histories, I was shocked to my marrows to see only links and no single post created. I have never seen this kind of thing before. No single worthy post to issue merit.

YOSHIE and other cheat hunters can certainly explain it well to you whether it will benefit them. But I can assure you that they not only work with one account, but may have dozens of accounts to join the same bounty all the time based on how cheat hunters have caught them so far.

But I don't understand why the manager hasn't been able to prevent them all this time.

I know some of them on facebook, they are Indonesian traders community, see the bitcoin logo on their shirt. But I believe they seem to have bitcointalk account too. If they were a bounty hunter community, then the logic would be why they didn't have the ethereum logo on their clothes because ethereum was the most noble thing at that time among bounty hunters. 

And also with this picture

Honestly, I feel same way too. It used to sadden me those days I participated in bounties to report weekly tasks here. It made a mess of my post history. I guess a lot of bounty managers also observed that I moved weekly reports to Google sheets. I think hunters should key into bounties whose weekly tasks are reported on Google sheet. It helps sanitize and keep their post history neat. Besides, not so many users would like meriting posts from users whose post histories are littered with bounty reports. It's a great disservice to hunters themselves.

Decent amount of money? No, I think. I haven't participated in a bounty campaign in recent time. It was a year ago or two when I last time participated in a bounty. It was GEOMA Dao, I participated in a signature campaign for 3 weeks and sold $500 worth of tokens a few months ago. That's better than my current signature but I don't think it's decent. I have one telegram group where hunters share the most attractive/potential bounty. Haven't heard about someone getting a decent amount recently.

As far as I know, the forum doesn't need money and theymos doesn't care about ad revenue. I still don't get how "proof of authentication" isn't considered an insubstantial post, thousands of spambots post the same crap millions of times. What's the use of that?
At least it's mainly concentrated on a few boards, so it's quite easy to avoid.

They add page views, which affect forum ad revenue.

I don't know about the people in the OP, but I think there are a decent number of accounts that can be described similarly as those in the OP that are just in a bot. The bot will make various social media posts, and will post reports about what they posted on the forum. On the other end, those "reviewing" bounty reports are almost certainly bots.

So we have bots making posts, and bots "reading" posts, all the while, the number of page views is being padded.

The cost of a million bounty posts is likely not more than a few cents per month. Cloud SSD storage costs about $0.17/GB/month, or $0.34 for high availability. I don't see a million bounty posts taking up a GB of storage.

I think there are probably an outsized number of bounty hunter accounts that have purchased a copper membership. Copper memberships are priced in bitcoin, however, the price is periodically adjusted to be approximately $30. A single bounty hunter buying a copper membership is going to pay for multiple months worth of storage-related costs associated with all bounty posts.

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I don't have a problem with bounty hunters. They generally stay in their section, so I never have to read their posts. So they don't burden me in any way.

Do these people still make a decent amount of money on altcoin bounties in the first place? Like, I get it that these people most likely own multiple accounts, but last time I checked most of these bounty projects end up giving tokens that are worth nothing, or even end up not paying a single token at all.

My first thought was "let's see if there is any post merit worthy". First guy posted exclusively bounty reports and the second one has some posts in Offtopic and a "good project". Disappointing... 

I doubt that most of these bounty hunters even know what is merit, they are focused on getting all their alt accounts to work as much as possible. There is no basis for such members to be promoted beyond the newbie rank, and more than clearly they have shown that this was never their goal.

Once again this picture speaks more than a thousand words...

They do get to see the advertisement Theymos auctions off, but AFAIK, they pay a "flat rate" (so it doesn't matter if an advertisement has 1.000.000 or 5.000.000 views). Maybe it's interesting to tell a potential bidder for an advertisement slot that it usually receives x amount of views, and this "x" will be higher if you include those bounty users, but i doubt they actually generate much clicks (or revenue) for the advertisers.

An other thing might be that it has something to do with search engine rankings... A site that receives more daily updates might be ranked higher (i haven't done any SEO optimising for many, many years, so it might be possible that my SEO knowledge is grossly outdated).

And he might have done nothing malicious with Legendary status had he earned it, but there's a good chance he might have more than one account with that rank by now and might be eyeing bitcoin-paying signature campaigns that generally pay more if you've got more signature space to rent.  And what would then happen?  Spam city....which is precisely what the situation was prior to the merit system.

Thus it doesn't make me sad or happy or bring a giggle to my deviant brain that these >1000 activity Newbies exist.  All I am is satisfied that the merit system took care of those potential problems I mentioned.

No wonder their rank is still newbie, their post history is crap. I wonder wether they are bots as lovesmayfamilis says.


I think the same, what value do these post histories bring to the forum? I think nothing, I think that if the bounty sections of the forum are kept it is because Theymos considers that it would be worse if they were migrated to another forum.

Does the forum earn any revenue with the bounties?

Type of people distinguished by their "stability" When everyone has changed their cars, phones, apartments, jobs, and sometimes husbands and wives, these people do not change anything in their lives and do not change themselves.
I know such people who have been working in the same job for decades and not striving for the best. I looked into their wallets, there is also a "swamp"
We can say that this is a well-tuned bot, no matter how offensive it is to the owners of such accounts.

I have always felt that those bounty reports should have been done off-forum... Either on a dedicated site that was built for nothing but handling those bounty users, or maybe even in a google spreadsheet document directly.

I think they add nothing to the forum, nobody is interested in those reports, nobody is learning from them, nothing is being discussed,... it's just baseless dribble that's basically pre-formatted to be fed to a data-entry drone. It's not only that they add nothing usefull, it's what they do add: a strain on bitcointalk's resources (eventough i don't think Theymos has ever complained about this, they do add thousands of useless records in bitcointalk's relational database, they consume bandwith, they consume cpu cycles) and they also add a strain on every *real* user that wants to look at the last unread posts without filtering out those bounty hunter infested subforums, or the ones that look at the patrol page once in a while.

But hey, i'm just a user... As long as Theymos doesn't complain it's not up to me to make such decissions.

I noticed one thing about bounty hunters, they prefer to have no topic created but having links submitted for bounties which make their posts to be many. Check both accounts to find this to be true again. Even if having topics, it will be scanty and full of bounty-like contents.

Merit system was a good implementation.

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Please, know that this is not a ridicule, but just to show how merit system has been helping.

An example of why the merit implementation is useful, if merit isnt implemented, this guy will be a legendary member already with the help of Bounties section.

It is about time to post another "amazing" "Legendary" newbie with "big" contribution to the forum.

They've been around for quite some time, earned over 1200 activity with their 4540 posts, but unfortunately only 0 Merit since June 22 of 2018, otherwise they could be a 100% Legendary in only 2 more activity rounds but instead they stuck on "newbie" for almost 4 years.

Hope the guy won't get me wrong, I don't mean he is a bad guy in any way... it's just statistics.
So Here I present to you.

Daniel Khan

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Here comes another "Legendary" guy, with 1442 Activity but less posts, "only" 4041, still active today.

akhmadfirmansyahcibi