Topic: Another new phase of Convid-19 due to unvaccinated people (Read 333 times)

It is not about that at all, it is misinformation. Israel is basically doing better than some other nations who do not have lockdowns, they are just very careful and a great nation in healthcare, which means even when it increases just a bit they halt everything and go into lockdown, USA had probably a million times worse results and they didn't do a lockdown, there were 4-5 thousand people dying every single day in USA, we had weeks with more death than ALL OF IRAQ WAR, and they still didn't go into lockdown.

Do you really think the situation in Israel after so many vaccinated people, could be anything remotely close to that? Even in % let alone the real numbers? What you get with a very good heatlhcare nation is people living at home for a while and dropping the numbers even when it reaches unimportant levels just so they do not have to wait until it gets really worse. What you get with USA is tinfoil hat idiots who go against vaccination and die.

But how long are you compromised with your immune system? I don't think it is very likely that your immune system take years to recover from the vaccine. What about recovering from a cold? Would you be more vulnerable for corona then? Probably any disease will be bad in connection with corona. Also 11 years seems really long. Are you sure?

You have to wonder why they suppress the research that indicates that natural immunity gives protection for 11 years after recovering fron cv infection. That is only true if you don't have a compromised immune system.

You think if all the unvaccinted are isolated to stop the spread of the disease then the future of mankind will no longer be threatened by the disease or new ones?
 In my community I'd focus more on healthy lifestyle and keeping the human body strong enough to fight and defend against any kind of disease

It's not wise to say vaccines are useless, the reality is that in several countries where the population has started to be vaccinated, the spread of
COVID-19 has begun to decrease. Indeed, there is no 100% effective vaccine, but vaccines help increase the body's immunity, so that it is not
easily infected with viruses. Even some people who have been vaccinated, indeed some are still infected with COVID-19, but can reduce
the symptoms that appear. In addition to helping people who have internal diseases, vaccines are also beneficial for people who work in
vulnerable sectors such as hospitals. Although I won't deny that there may be side effects after a few years, but in an urgent situation like now
only the vaccine is the best option that we can take.

I agree with you that vaccines will not reach 100%. But we don't have to be that perfect to achieve herd immunity. Those who have been infected and recovered will also have negative effects on their organs later on. So vaccine is the best thing to look forward to as it has defeated epidemics in the past.

It is not useless mate because the vaccine will safe you from not dying easily not like if you are not vaccinated that your prone from complication coming from this virus.
building your strong immune system from the vaccine is worth a lot specially for people like me that has internal illness  .

My rights are not given by government. You ask to forget God. You must have done so already.

The ability for mankind to attempt to destroy humanity has existed for decades. A forgotten God will make it possible.

Lets forget rights here, the future of man kind is threated  maybe what the people need is mandatory vaccination because its the unvaccinated  that will be the source of reoccurrences of the virus.

At least, with vaccinated, our body can know and can protect if the virus is Covid so they will block the virus to spread on our body. We still need to consume healthy food and vitamins that will support our body to get well protection. This Covid virus can mutate to a new variant without us know and we have already seen that the Delta variant has been spreading to many places. We will see a New Normal soon, even if we already vaccinated. One thing that we will see that human will be more clean, will pay attention about the healthy life, will trying to protect their closest person in their circle.

Personally, I would think much more about people than if they have been vaccinated, because these people after the two doses, they get COVID-19 and they have died, then the immunization as they believe does not exist. These cases have happened in Colombia and very little has given these cases the required importance.

On many occasions to think that they are completely well, they go to parties to different meetings and still get covid-19, I think that at least 5 years must pass before they launch an effective vaccine, people should be immunized with preventive measures and taking care of themselves a lot, for now I think it's the best option. Of course, those who are not vaccinated should take care of themselves, none are exempt from being given the virus, vaccinated or not, we all have the same risk.

It's not about being immune to the virus.

But it's about strengthening your body against the virus. Taking the vaccine doesn't mean that you're being immune but it's lessening the harm effects of the virus.

Just a few points.

Vaccinated people are creating the variants. This is part of the survival process of viruses.

I saw one estimate that we are exposed to something like 3 trillion viruses every day, and out body copes with those. The primary defences get rid, or destroy, most of the pathogens, and this is so for vaccinated and non-vaccinated people. This means that everybody is potentially infectious. With covid, the important point for a health herd is not the spreaders, but the receivers. You can't stop it spreading, and you shouldn't want to. It is better to gain immunity, than to live in fear with a weak immune system.

Masks don't protect you, and they reduce your ability to handle exposure to the virus. The mesh in the mask is too large to stop the virus, but it does mean that you will re-breathe some of your exhaled toxins. If you belive in masks, then you should eat your own excrement, as that is another major way that viruses are spread.

Nope , Vaccinated people can still spread the Virus because their Body can stand for the big effect but they still can carry the virus and that is what i still not understand, why there are no vaccine that can totally kill the virus and not just helping people to be protected slightly .

I consider mask safer because you are not getting  man-made foreign things into your delicate body.
By the way, I wonder what those who want everyone to have the vaccine think concerning the possibility of  cases where certain people are immune to the disease, or have strong immune systems that can easily prevent disease or  "soldiers"/defenses that are able to fight and easily defeat the disease? What if these offers better protection from the disease than vaccine? How about natural treatments and cures?
Well, if they are not sure, one of the alternative safety measures in place of vaccines can be mask

Vaccines can never be found with 100% efficacy rate so its just like a belief that the vaccine will be effective on your body which I am not getting it with covid vaccines and also no one seems to be care about the side effects of vaccines. In normal scenario it may take 10 or 20 years to find a vaccine with minimal side effects but with covid we found vaccines in less than a year which looks scary in my opinion when I think about its later effects.

I agree.

Just because we've got freedom, you're free to do as what your will wants. There's still a crucial and important situation that everyone has to consider during these hard times.

Those who are not believing the vaccine and wearing mask, please do not think of how lowly this virus is.

If you do your research, you will find that most viruses that cause disease in humans or animals have some variation. You should have faith in medicine. In the present we need to keep ourselves and those around us safe to avoid spreading. We just need time to find a new vaccine that completely controls it.

The problem with the spread of covid-19 is that the fight is not being treated in a holistic manner. The world has become a global village and there is free movement of people from one country to another. Therefore, the fight against covid-19 through vaccination should be holistic, not country by country. As you are concentrating on vaccinating your country's people, citizens of less vaccinated countries will render it less effective through free movement.

The important question is has that been proven? Does it mean that the vaccinated cannot spread the disease? It is better to be very careful with words. They can be used to judge and condemn the speakers in the future.

Basically vaccine build anti bodies in our immune system so that if the virus enters into our body it won't damage but once we are vaccinated the virus itself mutate into another form so your vaccine is completely useless in that case. Doctor says even if the efficacy is low still your immune system will act better towards the virus but I don't think we have any proffs to claim such statements.

At least you will be less affected mate, because the vaccine will boost your immune system and become more strong than none vaccinated people.
Meaning you can more to survive the dying with this corona .

though The healthy people will never become hardly affected but only those who has sickness specially internals and also this our life in which we must protect.

Meanwhile wearing mask and getting vaccinated is not enough to save you from getting infected with covid 19 then why people should be bothering about?

Covid will not stop by wearing masks, etc and vaccines are making the Covid virus more furious due to mutations.

Agreed that If you love your life and family then you must act to do these and make it the best for your entire life.

there are haters of vaccine but they don't even know how to prevent from dying in  this virus.

So best to follow the experts and make your family living good .

I still don't understand the thoughts of some people who still underestimate the virus that has happened and it is still very difficult to comply with the health protocols that have been recommended.
even though it is very clear that the number of deaths that have been recorded in all countries in the world is not just a number of tens or hundreds, it has even reached millions and I think this is a pandemic with the highest number of victims so far.
flashing about the actual vaccine, there may still be some doubts in people's minds because there are several cases caused by this vaccine, and in the country I live in now, there are many cases caused by vaccines starting from being unable to see, not being able to walk and some even being infected. until he died because of the vaccine. therefore they feel anxious when they want to be vaccinated.
but if we look at the use of vaccines themselves, I actually think the benefits are very good, for example yesterday when the euro was held, which at that time could be seen by many spectators. this is evidence from the country that has promoted and recommended its people to be vaccinated to avoid a pandemic and the results obtained are very few patients who are infected after the euro is over and this is one of the advantages of the vaccine.
apart from that I highly recommend to all of my friends to be more concerned with health regardless of whether you have been vaccinated or not, do social distancing and continue to use masks to avoid this virus and hopefully this virus will end soon

It's hard to gain people's trust to get vaccinated when they see testimonials of side effects and people suddenly dying after getting the shots. They are more scared of that than the virus. It also doesn't help that even injected people are still infected with the new variant.

Social media is also controlled. I have read of Facebook accounts censored and banned for challenging or posting something critical of the vaccines.

Currently, at the current level of prevention of this disease, some people still lack awareness and do not protect themselves, they despise covid, not afraid of death, lack of awareness in cooperation in disease prevention.

If the delta variant of COVID-19 emerged 1 month ago. How long does it take to develop a vaccine to counteract it.

The media desires obedience and trust from the public. But isn't willing to offer full disclosure on many key facets of the pandemic debate. It seems we've reached an impasse. Many no longer appear to trust the media or state authority figure verdicts on the pandemic. The media repeats the same message. In the hope of it being complied with through repetition. With neither side making progress as far as I can tell. Whether one side or the other can make adjustments to break the impasse in their favor remains to be seen.

This conflict highlights the need for better scientific exposition on topics like vaccines, to better enable the public to make informed decisions. As well as perhaps higher standards from experts and the media if they wish to earn back the public trust.

Valid point.

Vaccination is indeed important especially right now that we are in a pandemic. To achieve herd immunity, a specific count of population must be vaccinated so that we can control the spread of virus. We can only achieve that by volunteering to be vaccinated by whatever kind of brand of vaccine is available. Like what they say, the best vaccine is the one that is available.

I believe that we all have a choice. We have a freedom to choose what we want for ourselves. However, during this time, we must take into consideration the good of the majority instead of just looking out for ourselves. Freedom doesn't equate to negligence and it should not be enjoyed in the expense of others' welfare. I know there are people here that are anti-vaccines. I respect your beliefs, but I would like to ask some consideration to think about it again. You can do research and more about the vaccines. We have beaten several plagues and pandemic before, and we can do it again now. We just need to be united for the greater good.

While there are recorded side effects to some, there are still studies that prove vaccines are effective. It may not guarantee a 100% efficacy, but it can still protect you from the virus. The mutation of the virus is unevitable. What we can do is to play our part - participate and cooperate in doing the safety health protocols and be vaccinated as soon as possible. Right now, it is a privilege to be vaccinated. So if it's already available in your area, you have an access to it and you can be vaccinated, please do so. It's the key to be one step closer to the end of this crisis. Please be vaccinated and stay safe.

Israel mostly used the Pfizer vaccine, so it is actually surprising. Pfizer vaccine is supposed to be the most effective one out of the available brands, having an efficacy of 95% against symptomatic CoVID and almost 100% protection against hospitalization. If it is not effective against the Delta variant, then it is a cause for worry. Also, Israel was one of the first countries to achieve 60% vaccination rate. Is this a sign that the antibodies generated by the vaccine doesn't last for more than 6-7 months?

I don't tend to agree with this title. Covid-19 is a virus and you see that virus fights the human system (in a common explanation) and in that process, it might die off or redublicate itself into either a less dangerous variant or a higher dangerous variant. That is what is happening and not that people who are not vaccinated are the cause of whatever thing happening but it is natural that either the virus dublicated dies off or keep threatening human immune system.

At present, vaccines have not been able to keep up with the variation of Covid-19. In my country, people are very skeptical of the protection of vaccines. And even the high virulence of most current vaccines creates apprehension among people about whether to have access to it. I think it's more important to protect yourself to avoid the spread than to get vaccinated. Equipping the necessary items to avoid spreading like this is a priority.

I mean it's well known by now that even if everyone is vaccinated there will still be limitations because the vaccination is not as effective in some people as it is in others.  You can see that well in Israel. Although there are relatively many vaccinated, there are already lockdowns again because the Delta variant is spreading.

The role of the vaccine is to prevent the virus and reduce the possibility of infection. Refusing the vaccine is totally irresponsible for one's own health. In the face of the epidemic, the control of the country also depends on personal hygiene. However, in the long run, widespread vaccination can achieve true prevention of the spread of the virus.

The problem here is that the government made the pandemic a political tool to bolster their power and influence which resulted with the public facing the consequences, not to mention the current vaccine inequity is making the pandemic much worse since vaccines aren't distributed equally among affected nations which only cultivates new variants and make us go back to square one.

I have been vaccinated but I don't buy the argument that it is the fault of those who have not been vaccinated. Rather the fault lies with Fauci and the Wuhan Institute of Technology for wanting to play God by doing experiments with viruses. If you start doing experiments with a chair, and it goes wrong and you break the chair, well, nothing happens, but if you play God you might get a pandemic. That's why: "the US government halted funding for such activities due to biosafety concerns."

Let's see if it will turn out that the previous phases were also due to the unvaccinated.

First of all the government must ensure the safety of the vaccine.

I think the reason people don't want to get vaccinated is because they are scared by the side effects of the vaccine (there are many deaths after vaccination).

It was so sad that he had escaped the virus infection but died of the vaccine.

Previously some were arguing that not everyone needs to get vaccinated. With the original strain of COVID 19, the mortality rate for the younger people (those who aged below 35 years) was less than 0.1%. At this point, at least some of the experts were arguing that the younger generation should be exempted from vaccination. But now two things have come to notice, which contradicts this stance - a lot of vulnerable people are getting infected as a result of their interaction with the young people and the new strains of the virus (esp. Delta) is much more lethal now for the young. Also, for attaining the herd immunity, it is necessary to vaccinate as many as possible.

I really feel apprehensive about people's awareness of how dangerous the disease is with the epidemic. The Delta variant is raging in many places, and it seems to be causing the healthcare of some countries to fall out of control. But it's really more worrying when bad news hits people's psyche, causing them to lose faith in health care, lose faith in vaccines. I see that's a really stupid thing, but it doesn't change much anyway, maybe the epidemic will change the perception of all of us.

Freedom of choice:

Wear a mask. Get vaccinated. Avoid others who don't volunteer to be infected by you.

Those are some reasonable choices to pick from. Freedom does not mean freedom to harm others and extend a pandemic.

For anyone who loves freedom and hates mask mandates or remote learning, Dr. Jerome Adams has a blunt message: Get vaccinated.

"More mitigation is coming. Whether it's masking, or whether it's closures or whether it's your kids having to return to virtual learning, that is coming," the Trump administration surgeon general told CBS' "Face the Nation" on Sunday.

"And it's coming because this pandemic is spiraling out of control yet again. And it's spiraling out of control because we don't have enough people vaccinated." As of Sunday, only 49.1% of Americans have been fully vaccinated, according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

That's nowhere near enough vaccinations to stop the spread of the Delta variant, the most contagious strain of novel coronavirus ever identified. In 48 states, the rate of new Covid-19 cases this past week jumped by at least 10% compared to the previous week, according to data from Johns Hopkins University. In 34 of those states, the rate of new cases increased by more than 50%.

"The thing that's making this possible is the fact that we are dealing with the most transmissible version of Covid-19 that we've seen to date," current US Surgeon General Dr. Vivek Murthy said.

So eligible Americans who want to prevent more mask mandates, business closures and a return to remote learning need to do their part and get vaccinated, said Adams, the Trump administration official. "It's going to help every single American enjoy the freedoms that we want to return to," he said.


https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/07/25/health/us-coronavirus-sunday/index.html