I think part of the problem over the years is very simply we've been bombarded over the years with propaganda telling us that it isn't possible to live in a society without government and very little law? Think about it? What happens when film makers and news journalists ever think about this kind of thing? They always immediately come to the conclusion that it's going to end in an apocalypse scenario or everyone will kill each other, where's the evidence for this? Nowhere of course! It all depends on the people you hang out with. You also get people particularly when it comes to Ron Paul's opinions ranting about how if there were no taxes etc. then people would be left to die in the streets or there wouldn't be any roads and infrastructure.
As far as I'm concerned as long as we can go through life without killing each other or being physically violent towards one another we've done a fucking good job, anything else is just trivial really.
Topic: Another one for the "anarchists" (Read 1102 times)
Live in anarchy and want some power?
1. Organize a terror attack.
2. People are scared and demand more security.
3. Offer yourself as solution.
4.
5. Profit!
History endlessly repeating.
1. Organize a terror attack.
2. People are scared and demand more security.
3. Offer yourself as solution.
4.
5. Profit!
History endlessly repeating.
Your missing item 4 there:
4. Get rid of all the competition, especially those that get close to figuring out you're the one that did #1.
Essentially, you'll need to be a government (monopoly on the use of force) for your little plan to work. Fun fact: That's exactly how governments do it.
Well, that's not entirely true. Historically speaking #1 didn't actually have to occur, one just had to convince enough people that it could occur.
Fair point. Still need #4 to ensure you're the one who gets the support, though. It does Brinks no good if everyone buys ADT after Brinks goes all out convincing people their houses could get robbed. (Or as the good herzmeister suggests, sponsors some house-robbers)
Live in anarchy and want some power?
1. Organize a terror attack.
2. People are scared and demand more security.
3. Offer yourself as solution.
4.
5. Profit!
History endlessly repeating.
1. Organize a terror attack.
2. People are scared and demand more security.
3. Offer yourself as solution.
4.
5. Profit!
History endlessly repeating.
Your missing item 4 there:
4. Get rid of all the competition, especially those that get close to figuring out you're the one that did #1.
Essentially, you'll need to be a government (monopoly on the use of force) for your little plan to work. Fun fact: That's exactly how governments do it.
Well, that's not entirely true. Historicly speaking #1 didn't actually have to occur, one just had to convince enough people that it could occur.
Live in anarchy and want some power?
1. Organize a terror attack.
2. People are scared and demand more security.
3. Offer yourself as solution.
4.
5. Profit!
History endlessly repeating.
1. Organize a terror attack.
2. People are scared and demand more security.
3. Offer yourself as solution.
4.
5. Profit!
History endlessly repeating.
Your missing item 4 there:
4. Get rid of all the competition, especially those that get close to figuring out you're the one that did #1.
Essentially, you'll need to be a government (monopoly on the use of force) for your little plan to work. Fun fact: That's exactly how governments do it.
Live in anarchy and want some power?
1. Organize a terror attack.
2. People are scared and demand more security.
3. Offer yourself as solution.
4.
5. Profit!
History endlessly repeating.
1. Organize a terror attack.
2. People are scared and demand more security.
3. Offer yourself as solution.
4.
5. Profit!
History endlessly repeating.
I said it's an argument, not that it's my last excuse.
I'll convince you yet.
Every government is run by sociopaths, it's what they are good at. Fortunately it's fairly rare that intelligent sociopaths are also homicidal. This is, notably, an argument for the abolution or severe limitations of governments; since it's impossible for a homicidal sociopath to take the reigns of power in a nation that doesn't have any reigns.
Welcome to the fold?
I said it's an argument, not that it's my last excuse.
Every government is run by sociopaths, it's what they are good at. Fortunately it's fairly rare that intelligent sociopaths are also homicidal. This is, notably, an argument for the abolution or severe limitations of governments; since it's impossible for a homicidal sociopath to take the reigns of power in a nation that doesn't have any reigns.
Welcome to the fold?
Ignores Nazi Germany and Rwanda - people generally will seek stability, but faced with extreme circumstances they will happily commit genocide.
I suspect it's something to do with chaos mathematics. A feedback system going into chaotic bifurcation.
You'd need to see the space of all possible worlds - perhaps we could learn something from the point at which it breaks.
I suspect it's something to do with chaos mathematics. A feedback system going into chaotic bifurcation.
You'd need to see the space of all possible worlds - perhaps we could learn something from the point at which it breaks.
I'll note here, that in both those cases, those extreme circumstances were, in large part, due to their governments being captured by homicidal sociopaths.
Every government is run by sociopaths, it's what they are good at. Fortunately it's fairly rare that intelligent sociopaths are also homicidal. This is, notablely, an argument for the abolution or severe limitations of governments; since it's impossible for a homicidal sociopath to take the reigns of power in a nation that doesn't have any reigns. Seriously, when have you ever heard of some Swiss general attempting a coup with the Swiss Army?
Ignores Nazi Germany and Rwanda - people generally will seek stability, but faced with extreme circumstances they will happily commit genocide.
I suspect it's something to do with chaos mathematics. A feedback system going into chaotic bifurcation.
You'd need to see the space of all possible worlds - perhaps we could learn something from the point at which it breaks.
I suspect it's something to do with chaos mathematics. A feedback system going into chaotic bifurcation.
You'd need to see the space of all possible worlds - perhaps we could learn something from the point at which it breaks.
Fascinating. You have a different definition of "around here" than I do. :p
As an experiment, it doesn't seem to follow the rigor I would require, but I salute them for finding a way to apply their ideals to their gaming life.
Actually, that makes me wonder if their style of rule enforcement could be applied to other games and communities. Like, would it work on these forums? It might be difficult, because you would need to create the circumstances under which a poster can be released from imprisonment, and they would have to favor the better established and more organized posters to replicate their results.
EDIT: Thanks for telling me about that. It really raises a lot of interesting questions, and gives me even more ideas for experiments to do.
As an experiment, it doesn't seem to follow the rigor I would require, but I salute them for finding a way to apply their ideals to their gaming life.
Actually, that makes me wonder if their style of rule enforcement could be applied to other games and communities. Like, would it work on these forums? It might be difficult, because you would need to create the circumstances under which a poster can be released from imprisonment, and they would have to favor the better established and more organized posters to replicate their results.
EDIT: Thanks for telling me about that. It really raises a lot of interesting questions, and gives me even more ideas for experiments to do.
Wasn't aware that minecraft servers typically have governments, nor the kind of dilemmas that test social structures.
I never played minecraft, so I guess I wouldn't know.
I never played minecraft, so I guess I wouldn't know.
Government = monopoly on force
admin = monopoly on banning
Same general idea. Let me see if I can dig it up.
Edit1: Well, I can't find it. Maybe it was on a different forum?!?
Edit2: Derp. It was. Here's the link to the thread: http://forum.bigheadpress.com/index.php?topic=734.0
Edit3: Where the "hypotheticals" stop, and the "Yeah, We already did that" starts: http://forum.bigheadpress.com/index.php?topic=734.msg20159#msg20159
Wasn't aware that minecraft servers typically have governments, nor the kind of dilemmas that test social structures.
I never played minecraft, so I guess I wouldn't know.
I never played minecraft, so I guess I wouldn't know.
There's a discussion buried somewhere around here about a Minecraft server run as an Anarchy. Works just fine.
I always thought that online games would be a good way to do social experiments. One of these days I need to put together a simple game or two to test some theories I have.
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