Another shooting in a Florida nightclub

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Quote from: philiveyjr on July 25, 2016, 10:22:02 AM

As long as the US doesn't control its gun laws, its not going to be able to tackle these kinds of attacks efficiently. I believe this attack was because of a fight between 2 individuals at the party, but not much have been confirmed yet. I feel more sad for Munich where atleast they don't allow individuals to keep guns(or do they ? )

yes, united states must limit keeping and bearing arms because many people possess gun in united states and it causes so many crimes related to guns. us must change its gun possesion policy immediately.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on August 29, 2016, 05:38:17 AM

Quote from: ImHacked on August 23, 2016, 10:20:05 AM

If people wanted to kill they will find ways on how to kill. Those people might be taking drugs or have watching too much crime movies. To think that night clubs have security guards, how could someone enter that premise and just shoot. That nightclub should also be held liable for that shooting incident. This could not happen if they have tight security enforcement.

First and foremost they have to restrict the selling of guns,if not sociopath like these prop up in a crowded area and starts shooting people. This is not the first incident this month and this wont be the last. It keeps on coming, daily we would hear some public shooting. when would the politicians open their eyes and put a ban on guns.

The places where the shootings were carried out were "gun free zones" (But not really).

Ironic isn't it

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Quote from: ImHacked on August 23, 2016, 10:20:05 AM

If people wanted to kill they will find ways on how to kill. Those people might be taking drugs or have watching too much crime movies. To think that night clubs have security guards, how could someone enter that premise and just shoot. That nightclub should also be held liable for that shooting incident. This could not happen if they have tight security enforcement.

First and foremost they have to restrict the selling of guns,if not sociopath like these prop up in a crowded area and starts shooting people. This is not the first incident this month and this wont be the last. It keeps on coming, daily we would hear some public shooting. when would the politicians open their eyes and put a ban on guns.

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Quote from: googie4 on August 22, 2016, 05:45:26 AM

Whatever happened with the gay nightclub shooting. Was it ever determined is the psycho was gay?

He was a regular user of the club, make what you want of it.

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Quote from: ImHacked on August 23, 2016, 10:20:05 AM

If people wanted to kill they will find ways on how to kill. Those people might be taking drugs or have watching too much crime movies. To think that night clubs have security guards, how could someone enter that premise and just shoot. That nightclub should also be held liable for that shooting incident. This could not happen if they have tight security enforcement.

It's interesting how most of the shootings like this occurs in the US, sure there are a some in the other parts of the world but mostly in the US, so maybe it's not everything in the gun laws and such, yes people will always find a way to kill someone with or without the guns.

I don'tthink guards will search you from head to toes, it's not an airline security...

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Quote from: virtualx on July 25, 2016, 02:10:28 PM

Quote from: philiveyjr on July 25, 2016, 10:22:02 AM

Quote from: Masha Sha on July 25, 2016, 10:24:41 AM

It's the gun fault!!! Time to shred the constitution and bring the female savior and declare her president for life, abolish the Supreme Court and congress... Hillary is so wise, so smart, so honest that later she will be declared prophet!

No it's not the fault of the gun. Without this psychopath the gun wouldn't fire

Taking away all the citizens their property is not a good solution to solve crime.

I believe he's being sarcastic....

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If people wanted to kill they will find ways on how to kill. Those people might be taking drugs or have watching too much crime movies. To think that night clubs have security guards, how could someone enter that premise and just shoot. That nightclub should also be held liable for that shooting incident. This could not happen if they have tight security enforcement.

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Quote from: Watson5842 on August 22, 2016, 10:47:24 AM

I'm 100% against gun free zones. When it comes to places where alcohol (among other things) is basically certain to be consumed, like a nightclub, all weapon must be prohibited. Anyway, I think owners of such places need to be responsible too for the safety of the people inside.

Indeed it is the standard operating procedures on bars alike where guns and other deadly weapons are banned. That is why there were huge guys or security personnel who were in front of every club to frisk everyone who enters. But of course, some criminals were able to hid those elements when entering a bar. Or maybe it was their lady friend who sneak those firearms into their groin or boobs inside the club as they would not be frisked by a guard. Many things are possible.

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Quote from: philiveyjr on August 22, 2016, 12:55:57 PM

Quote from: sidroast on August 22, 2016, 10:53:50 AM

Quote from: philiveyjr on July 25, 2016, 02:33:59 PM

Gun laws don't solve the psychopath problem, but it will atleast solve the availability of weapons to those psychopaths. The France truck case was a different case. Atleast the guy who fired on the nightclub wouldn't have driven the truck inside to kill. Without the availability of weapons he probably wouldn't have even done it.

Chicago IL
Detroit MI

Those two places have the worst gun violence in the Northwest hemisphere and the strictest gun laws in the USA. Please explain how gun laws keep guns away from psychopaths?

I am not sure of those 2 places, but maybe the gun laws were implemented after a lot of guns being used ?
There will always be counterexamples. I am not saying gun laws will solve everything, but will atleast bring it under control to some extent.

The only way to implement gun control is with bigger guns.

Then, after gun control has gotten rid of the public guns, use the law enforcement guns to force increased taxes.

Then, after that, become like Hitler... all because you have the guns and the people don't.

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Quote from: sidroast on August 22, 2016, 10:53:50 AM

Quote from: philiveyjr on July 25, 2016, 02:33:59 PM

Gun laws don't solve the psychopath problem, but it will atleast solve the availability of weapons to those psychopaths. The France truck case was a different case. Atleast the guy who fired on the nightclub wouldn't have driven the truck inside to kill. Without the availability of weapons he probably wouldn't have even done it.

Chicago IL
Detroit MI

Those two places have the worst gun violence in the Northwest hemisphere and the strictest gun laws in the USA. Please explain how gun laws keep guns away from psychopaths?

Gun control is just a tactic put forward by the Democratic party and their racist supporters such as Reverend Pussy Jackson to exterminate the non-Hispanic white population in the United States. They have almost achieved their objective in Detoilet. The white population there has fallen to less than 10% of the overall population.

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Quote from: sidroast on August 22, 2016, 10:53:50 AM

Quote from: philiveyjr on July 25, 2016, 02:33:59 PM

Gun laws don't solve the psychopath problem, but it will atleast solve the availability of weapons to those psychopaths. The France truck case was a different case. Atleast the guy who fired on the nightclub wouldn't have driven the truck inside to kill. Without the availability of weapons he probably wouldn't have even done it.

Chicago IL
Detroit MI

Those two places have the worst gun violence in the Northwest hemisphere and the strictest gun laws in the USA. Please explain how gun laws keep guns away from psychopaths?

I am not sure of those 2 places, but maybe the gun laws were implemented after a lot of guns being used ?
There will always be counterexamples. I am not saying gun laws will solve everything, but will atleast bring it under control to some extent.

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Quote from: philiveyjr on July 25, 2016, 02:33:59 PM

Gun laws don't solve the psychopath problem, but it will atleast solve the availability of weapons to those psychopaths. The France truck case was a different case. Atleast the guy who fired on the nightclub wouldn't have driven the truck inside to kill. Without the availability of weapons he probably wouldn't have even done it.

Chicago IL
Detroit MI

Those two places have the worst gun violence in the Northwest hemisphere and the strictest gun laws in the USA. Please explain how gun laws keep guns away from psychopaths?

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I'm 100% against gun free zones. When it comes to places where alcohol (among other things) is basically certain to be consumed, like a nightclub, all weapon must be prohibited. Anyway, I think owners of such places need to be responsible too for the safety of the people inside.

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Quote from: philiveyjr on July 25, 2016, 10:22:02 AM

As long as the US doesn't control its gun laws, its not going to be able to tackle these kinds of attacks efficiently. I believe this attack was because of a fight between 2 individuals at the party, but not much have been confirmed yet. I feel more sad for Munich where atleast they don't allow individuals to keep guns(or do they ? )

As long as Americans go publicly unarmed, they will remain subject to any joker who wants to shoot at them.

Make it a legal requirement that every adult in America must be armed open carry when he is off his residence property and the crime will stop, and all but the daring will stay home at night where they belong.

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Whatever happened with the gay nightclub shooting. Was it ever determined is the psycho was gay?

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Quote from: virtualx on July 25, 2016, 02:10:28 PM

Quote from: philiveyjr on July 25, 2016, 10:22:02 AM

As long as the US doesn't control its gun laws, its not going to be able to tackle these kinds of attacks efficiently. I believe this attack was because of a fight between 2 individuals at the party, but not much have been confirmed yet. I feel more sad for Munich where atleast they don't allow individuals to keep guns(or do they ? )

Gun laws don't solve the psychopath problem, look at the France Truck attack in Nice. The problem is psychopaths are not in an institution but on the streets.

Quote from: Masha Sha on July 25, 2016, 10:24:41 AM

It's the gun fault!!! Time to shred the constitution and bring the female savior and declare her president for life, abolish the Supreme Court and congress... Hillary is so wise, so smart, so honest that later she will be declared prophet!

No it's not the fault of the gun. Without this psychopath the gun wouldn't fire

Taking away all the citizens their property is not a good solution to solve crime.

Virtualx is correct. Gun laws don't mean shit. Most of these idiots can get guns illegally. I live in a small town where almost EVERYONE has guns and we don't have these problems. You can't keep Psychopaths from killing. Stop Blaming the guns and responsible owners.

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Quote from: groll on August 03, 2016, 04:35:41 AM

Today, those news were just ordinary news. Nothing is new for shooting made by a lunatic or addicted to games and then will do it to a place where there are many people. And then many civilians will die just because of this twisted mind person. The government should act on this maybe tightens the security of places where there are many people.

I think the word you are looking for is desensitization in the press.

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Today, those news were just ordinary news. Nothing is new for shooting made by a lunatic or addicted to games and then will do it to a place where there are many people. And then many civilians will die just because of this twisted mind person. The government should act on this maybe tightens the security of places where there are many people.

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Quote from: philiveyjr on July 25, 2016, 02:33:59 PM

Quote from: virtualx on July 25, 2016, 02:10:28 PM

Quote from: philiveyjr on July 25, 2016, 10:22:02 AM

As long as the US doesn't control its gun laws, its not going to be able to tackle these kinds of attacks efficiently. I believe this attack was because of a fight between 2 individuals at the party, but not much have been confirmed yet. I feel more sad for Munich where atleast they don't allow individuals to keep guns(or do they ? )

Gun laws don't solve the psychopath problem, look at the France Truck attack in Nice. The problem is psychopaths are not in an institution but on the streets.

Gun laws don't solve the psychopath problem, but it will atleast solve the availability of weapons to those psychopaths. The France truck case was a different case. Atleast the guy who fired on the nightclub wouldn't have driven the truck inside to kill. Without the availability of weapons he probably wouldn't have even done it.

That's what I 'm talking about. Why would untie the hands of those who are not able to manage them wisely ? The smaller the chances that the weapons could fall into the hands of a mad , the calmer sensible people .

The US doesn't have the highest gun murder per 100.000 people. Some countries have more and less gun crimes. It's the highest of the developed countries, but thats not because of gun laws. The Swiss have gun ownership too

Can you point out what the difference in gun law between switzerland and rest of western europe with maybe exception of the UK is?

From what i understand you need a clean criminal report, firearm license, no anonymous weapons selling, database of firearm holders. It is pretty close to western european standards.

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Quote from: virtualx on July 25, 2016, 03:05:28 PM

The US doesn't have the highest gun murder per 100.000 people. Some countries have more and less gun crimes. It's the highest of the developed countries, but thats not because of gun laws. The Swiss have gun ownership too

Is it possible to be proud of ?! Give one person from underdeveloped plemyani gun . He will shoot all the seed . And the United States , a developed country . And its citizens can afford such lawlessness .

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Quote from: wowanstrong on July 25, 2016, 02:51:01 PM

Quote from: philiveyjr on July 25, 2016, 02:33:59 PM

Quote from: virtualx on July 25, 2016, 02:10:28 PM

Quote from: philiveyjr on July 25, 2016, 10:22:02 AM

As long as the US doesn't control its gun laws, its not going to be able to tackle these kinds of attacks efficiently. I believe this attack was because of a fight between 2 individuals at the party, but not much have been confirmed yet. I feel more sad for Munich where atleast they don't allow individuals to keep guns(or do they ? )

Gun laws don't solve the psychopath problem, look at the France Truck attack in Nice. The problem is psychopaths are not in an institution but on the streets.

Gun laws don't solve the psychopath problem, but it will atleast solve the availability of weapons to those psychopaths. The France truck case was a different case. Atleast the guy who fired on the nightclub wouldn't have driven the truck inside to kill. Without the availability of weapons he probably wouldn't have even done it.

That's what I 'm talking about. Why would untie the hands of those who are not able to manage them wisely ? The smaller the chances that the weapons could fall into the hands of a mad , the calmer sensible people .

The US doesn't have the highest gun murder per 100.000 people. Some countries have more and less gun crimes. It's the highest of the developed countries, but thats not because of gun laws. The Swiss have gun ownership too

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Quote from: BitcoinTeacher on July 25, 2016, 02:49:18 PM

Hemm i would suggest to America govrement new law for guns.I mean guns is good to be allowed for everbody and we in Europe want weapon for protection from craz therirists.I think America should add rule liar detector must every person pass to get access to buy gun.

Do you think the lie detector will help rishenii this problem ? It would be naive so pologat . In many situations , a person thinks differently . Especially if he often drinks alcohol.

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Quote from: awesome31312 on July 25, 2016, 07:39:30 AM

Does it ever end?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/07/25/florida-club-shooting-teen-night/87518168/

"Two people are killed and up to 16 more injured in a shooting at a nightclub in Florida..."

According to BBC News

Thoughts?

This is pure madness and it has to stop but all blame is being laid on those opposed to gun control however I would like to take another view which is is it possible that some people are planning these attacks in other to blackmail the opponents to gun control in other to have their way or is it just that the access to guns should be controlled? These two ideology begs for answer and I say whether gun control or not the government should do more in the protection of its citizens... My 2 cents...

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Quote from: BitcoinTeacher on July 25, 2016, 02:49:18 PM

Hemm i would suggest to America govrement new law for guns.I mean guns is good to be allowed for everbody and we in Europe want weapon for protection from craz therirists.I think America should add rule liar detector must every person pass to get access to buy gun.

That will never help, best thing is to ban guns in America like they did in Europe.
There is always a group of people who manages to get a gun, but if you ban these guns. It will become harder for these people to get one.
In my opinion is America at this time a fucked up country.

Ps; i'm not that good in English sometimes, so my apologies if there are mistakes in this comment.

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Quote from: philiveyjr on July 25, 2016, 02:33:59 PM

Quote from: virtualx on July 25, 2016, 02:10:28 PM

Quote from: philiveyjr on July 25, 2016, 10:22:02 AM

As long as the US doesn't control its gun laws, its not going to be able to tackle these kinds of attacks efficiently. I believe this attack was because of a fight between 2 individuals at the party, but not much have been confirmed yet. I feel more sad for Munich where atleast they don't allow individuals to keep guns(or do they ? )

Gun laws don't solve the psychopath problem, look at the France Truck attack in Nice. The problem is psychopaths are not in an institution but on the streets.

Gun laws don't solve the psychopath problem, but it will atleast solve the availability of weapons to those psychopaths. The France truck case was a different case. Atleast the guy who fired on the nightclub wouldn't have driven the truck inside to kill. Without the availability of weapons he probably wouldn't have even done it.

That's what I 'm talking about. Why would untie the hands of those who are not able to manage them wisely ? The smaller the chances that the weapons could fall into the hands of a mad , the calmer sensible people .

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Hemm i would suggest to America govrement new law for guns.I mean guns is good to be allowed for everbody and we in Europe want weapon for protection from craz therirists.I think America should add rule liar detector must every person pass to get access to buy gun.

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Quote from: virtualx on July 25, 2016, 02:37:45 PM

Quote from: philiveyjr on July 25, 2016, 02:33:59 PM

Quote from: virtualx on July 25, 2016, 02:10:28 PM

Quote from: philiveyjr on July 25, 2016, 10:22:02 AM

As long as the US doesn't control its gun laws, its not going to be able to tackle these kinds of attacks efficiently. I believe this attack was because of a fight between 2 individuals at the party, but not much have been confirmed yet. I feel more sad for Munich where atleast they don't allow individuals to keep guns(or do they ? )

Gun laws don't solve the psychopath problem, look at the France Truck attack in Nice. The problem is psychopaths are not in an institution but on the streets.

Gun laws don't solve the psychopath problem, but it will atleast solve the availability of weapons to those psychopaths. The France truck case was a different case. Atleast the guy who fired on the nightclub wouldn't have driven the truck inside to kill. Without the availability of weapons he probably wouldn't have even done it.

The attack would use Molotov instead, is that better? Huh

Even in Europe with its strict gun laws criminals use guns. The "gun law" solution is not a solution because psychopaths and criminals don't obey the law.

Not really. There didn't use to be guns a 100 years ago, and I doubt people upset with the society were walking around throwing molotovs. Gun laws is a solution, as you can compare America and other countries and clearly the attacks aren't as much as in America. Most of the attacks in those other countries are by terrorists or radicalized people, and not by normal people throwing molotovs around.

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Quote from: awesome31312 on July 25, 2016, 07:39:30 AM

Does it ever end?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/07/25/florida-club-shooting-teen-night/87518168/

"Two people are killed and up to 16 more injured in a shooting at a nightclub in Florida..."

According to BBC News

Thoughts?

What can be thought ?! All of this is very unfortunate. Is it time to adopt a law prohibiting the circulation of rifles among individuals ? Let it will not solve the problem completely . But at least reduce Number of such cases.

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Quote from: philiveyjr on July 25, 2016, 02:33:59 PM

Quote from: virtualx on July 25, 2016, 02:10:28 PM

Quote from: philiveyjr on July 25, 2016, 10:22:02 AM

As long as the US doesn't control its gun laws, its not going to be able to tackle these kinds of attacks efficiently. I believe this attack was because of a fight between 2 individuals at the party, but not much have been confirmed yet. I feel more sad for Munich where atleast they don't allow individuals to keep guns(or do they ? )

Gun laws don't solve the psychopath problem, look at the France Truck attack in Nice. The problem is psychopaths are not in an institution but on the streets.

Gun laws don't solve the psychopath problem, but it will atleast solve the availability of weapons to those psychopaths. The France truck case was a different case. Atleast the guy who fired on the nightclub wouldn't have driven the truck inside to kill. Without the availability of weapons he probably wouldn't have even done it.

The attack would use Molotov instead, is that better? Huh

Even in Europe with its strict gun laws criminals use guns. The "gun law" solution is not a solution because psychopaths and criminals don't obey the law.

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Quote from: virtualx on July 25, 2016, 02:10:28 PM

Quote from: philiveyjr on July 25, 2016, 10:22:02 AM

As long as the US doesn't control its gun laws, its not going to be able to tackle these kinds of attacks efficiently. I believe this attack was because of a fight between 2 individuals at the party, but not much have been confirmed yet. I feel more sad for Munich where atleast they don't allow individuals to keep guns(or do they ? )

Gun laws don't solve the psychopath problem, look at the France Truck attack in Nice. The problem is psychopaths are not in an institution but on the streets.

Gun laws don't solve the psychopath problem, but it will atleast solve the availability of weapons to those psychopaths. The France truck case was a different case. Atleast the guy who fired on the nightclub wouldn't have driven the truck inside to kill. Without the availability of weapons he probably wouldn't have even done it.

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Quote from: philiveyjr on July 25, 2016, 10:22:02 AM

As long as the US doesn't control its gun laws, its not going to be able to tackle these kinds of attacks efficiently. I believe this attack was because of a fight between 2 individuals at the party, but not much have been confirmed yet. I feel more sad for Munich where atleast they don't allow individuals to keep guns(or do they ? )

Gun laws don't solve the psychopath problem, look at the France Truck attack in Nice. The problem is psychopaths are not in an institution but on the streets.

Quote from: Masha Sha on July 25, 2016, 10:24:41 AM

It's the gun fault!!! Time to shred the constitution and bring the female savior and declare her president for life, abolish the Supreme Court and congress... Hillary is so wise, so smart, so honest that later she will be declared prophet!

No it's not the fault of the gun. Without this psychopath the gun wouldn't fire

Taking away all the citizens their property is not a good solution to solve crime.

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Quote from: philiveyjr on July 25, 2016, 10:22:02 AM

As long as the US doesn't control its gun laws, its not going to be able to tackle these kinds of attacks efficiently. I believe this attack was because of a fight between 2 individuals at the party, but not much have been confirmed yet. I feel more sad for Munich where atleast they don't allow individuals to keep guns(or do they ? )

It's the gun fault!!! Time to shred the constitution and bring the female savior and declare her president for life, abolish the Supreme Court and congress... Hillary is so wise, so smart, so honest that later she will be declared prophet!

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As long as the US doesn't control its gun laws, its not going to be able to tackle these kinds of attacks efficiently. I believe this attack was because of a fight between 2 individuals at the party, but not much have been confirmed yet. I feel more sad for Munich where atleast they don't allow individuals to keep guns(or do they ? )

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Does it ever end?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/07/25/florida-club-shooting-teen-night/87518168/

"Two people are killed and up to 16 more injured in a shooting at a nightclub in Florida..."

According to BBC News

Thoughts?

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