Topic: Another terrorist kills people in London (Read 779 times)

You don't want a little help in life? Anybody who doesn't want good for people, but suggests bad for them - like you did above - really needs a little help.

If you consider friendly advice like it is ad hominem, you are really missing it. I mean, you shocked a bunch of us by your previous post. And you seem to agree with what you said, because you didn't change it in the recently quoted one.

Wow. And I thought I was talking with a sane person.

Ah, you never fail to amuse us here.

You ended the discussion when you went for ad hominem. You can stop replying now, I won't be checking this thread for further replies.

So long and enjoy what's left of your holiday. 

Today, with the exception of a couple of countries most countries are berthing to guard their citizens and travelers It seems to me that some politicians try to destabilize the planet and take it to subsequent generations. Now we aren't conscious of most of the people at the present, therefore the problem is getting more and more boredom is that the deterioration of the justice system.

All Christian churches still use the Old Testament, better ask them to remove it from the Bible. The Christians quote it all the time, including you. Maybe you could also add your own book, the Gospel of BADecker, where you can determine who are the true Christians.

Now, you >>> learn how to think.

The part of the Bible for Christians is the New Testament. There is no violence directive for Christians there.

Anybody including Bush can say anything. If people don't follow the tenets of the New Testament (because that's the part of the Bible that holds the directives for people of today), they are not Christians, or at best are very weak Christians, no matter what they or anyone else says about them.

do your homework

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/violence-more-common-in-bible-than-quran-text-analysis-reveals-a6863381.html

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/07/iraq.usa

But you still didn't answer my points.

A Muslim terrorist could be obeying the Koran and Hadiths - http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm. If he is obeying by being a proper terrorist, he is good Muslim. A Muslim who has the opportunity to be a "righteous" terrorist in the ways the Koran and Hadiths say, but doesn't doesn't obey, might not really be a Muslim, but only a Muslim in name.

A Christian terrorist essentially doesn't exist, because there are no Christian directives in the Bible, for a Christian to do terrorism. A Christian who does terrorism is not a Christian, but if called a Christian, he is a Christian in name only.

The real terrorists in the London terrorism are the British government people who won't let the Brits have guns so they can protect themselves.

Call me how you like. But until you can answer my points with logical contradictions, you are only demeaning yourself... but maybe showing yourself to be a terrorist at heart.

Do you always accuse others of doing what you do?  

what you say is pure bullshit, inconsistent, two weights two measures, for your own convenience. generalizations about tempers according to religions? I don't think this deserves an answer. I don't think you even believe it, it's just cynicism. you could write a book and call it "philosophy of my toilet - a deep breathe into my world".

Pardon me. My suggestion to turn yourself in for psychiatric evaluation was just a direction that I was suggesting a little.

But now that you say that want people to suffer more and die, you really DO have a mental problem. For your own good, the NSA should track your IP address, and grab you and institutionalize you before you hurt yourself and others.

Since all you want to do is blab, rather than answering what I said...

Hey, that's okay. This is a forum. Have at it.

O.T. was written for Ancient Israel but you use sometimes, on your own convenience. And the Quran was written for modern days, right?

All this inconsistency is sensational. I just don't know if it's only cynical or really crazy... haha At least it's funny. I hope the dormant Muslims hear you and make you feel the true word of Allah lol

Wasn't there a Black Mirror episode where a swarm of these killed people? Yes, the government would definitely put it to their own use but people would probably find ways to disable them. Life is an arms race after all.


Oh yeah, wanting less suffering to befall people is a negative trait. Wanting people to not melt from a direct hit and the survivors to slowly die of various cancers and starve to death due to land being covered in fallout is evil.

Everybody makes a mistake once in a while. True Christians might lose their temper, become violent, and be sorry for it later. True Muslims often make mistakes about how long to attempt to save the infidels before they execute them. But look at the difference.

A true Christian who gets carried away in the heat of the moment and acts violently, doesn't do so for very long. But a so-called true Muslim might be peaceful towards infidels for years and years. A true Christian repents of his violence in a short period of time. Some of the so-called true Muslims never repent of the peacefulness towards the infidels. So, who is going against his holy book more? The Christian or the Muslim?

Actually, the so-called Muslim has no intention of becoming violent like he is supposed to. But the Christian repents of his violence in short order, thereby showing that he is truly a Christian. Just because a person says he is a Christian or a Muslim, doesn't mean that he is. His actions tell the reality of what he is.

Most Muslims aren't Muslims, even though they say that they are. They don't even know that their Koran and Hadiths tell them to be violent, because they can barely read if at all.

There is nothing wrong with quoting the O.T. As I said above, some of the major tenets and laws that God wants all people to obey are written there. It's just that the O.T. was written for Ancient Israel. So, today's Christians are not to obey it the same way that Ancient Israel was to obey.

summing up... violent Christians are fake Christians, violent Muslims are real Muslims, those who agree with you are saying the truth, all other are liars or ignorants. You could be a pastor and have your own church, you are very talented for the role. Muslims are 24% of the world population and all you know about them is what you see on tv.

Btw.. You said that REAL Christians follow the NT but you quoted the OT a few posts above.

People can say all kinds of things. Some things people say are the truth. Other things are not.

The point was that the religious books show who is a follower of the religion they acknowledge. The things the religious people say about themselves doesn't always show their true religion.

Most Muslims are liars about their religion because they don't do the violence. But if they did the violence just like the Koran and Hadiths direct them to, they would have been wiped off the face of the earth long ago. ISIS is the example. The only reason ISIS people are still alive is because of the mercy of their captors.

Many Christians are liars about their religion, because they don't get into the Bible and find out what is for them and what is not. The Old Testament was given to Ancient Israel, a country that does not exist today. Just because some of the major tenets and laws that God wants all people to obey are written there, doesn't mean that the O.T. is for Christians to follow directly. The N.T. is for Christians, and there isn't any order to do violence in the N.T.

All you are doing in your post that I quoted, is attempting to go around the facts. Christians that obey the N.T. are real Christians. Muslims that obey the Koran (ISIS) are the real Muslims. The rest of them are liars and whatever else they are. But they aren't really Christians or Muslims.

Same way that many Muslims can say that terrorists are not real Muslims because jihad is an internal battle to find God. Remember that in Iraq Isis was also fought by other Islamists. Arjuna, from the hinduist epic Mahabharata, fought his own people to recover his Kingdom and this is seen as symbolic story that tells about the path to illumination. I bet that if you start bombing India more extremist interpretations will show up - because the real reason is always political, disputes over territory, resources, money.

The Old Testament suggests violence against the infidels. Christians and especially the protestant Christians love to quote the old testament to justify all their hatred and prejudice. Most of war supporters in the US are fanatics too.

Thanks for your try but I already study many religions - and not only one -  for a long time.


.'. In lakesh .'.

Perhaps you are always honest, and always are clearly what you say you are. But that doesn't mean that other people are like you. Some people lie about who they are.

You can find people of every major religion or political party or persuasion of some sort, to be liars. Let me give you the Islam example. Islam is a religion of peace... at least that's what many Muslims like to say. But the Koran and Hadiths show something different - http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm. What this means is that most of the ignorant Muslims aren't really Muslims even though they say that they are... because they don't do what Islam says in the Koran.

The New Testament in the Bible doesn't suggest anything about orders for Christians to do violence. But the NT is the basis for Christianity. So, if Christians do violence, are they really Christians? Maybe they are as ignorant about their religion as Muslims are about Islam. So, don't call murderers Christians. Rather, call them what they are, murderers.

Now that you know this, are you going to remain honest? Or are you going to still call the murderers Christians, and the Muslims people of peace, just because they don't know or do their religion?

I see.

When people hate something so much it's just a thing that they can't see in themselves. What could be worse than an extremist Christian in camo? The difference is that they have the movies and toys to dominate the culture and tell everyone that they are heroes.

"Hey look at me in my multi million dollar gear killing some starving peasants. They are evil. I'm a hero."

Why not? The Bible is better.     

Reductionism.

I see you also prefer the Bible over academic knowledge

Solomon said, in Ecclesiastes 6:11:
So lets get the answers through a brief if possible.

you really like simple answers 

That's right. The bombing is political, and in the case of the countries being bombed, the religion is political.

maybe only the ones in countries under systematic perpetual bombing? I wonder how you would behave growing up under bombing. it's not religious it's political. it's amazing how naive some people are. religion plays a motivational role for the masses, people cling to faith in the chaos, but it's not the reason.

It's very good that guns are not easily and readily available for the people in England unlike the USA because if it was, these Islamic radicals are going to have a field day since they will be easily kill lots of people with a gun than with a knife,  this is one of the reasons why the people voted to get out of the European Union so that they have total control on their immigration policies determining who's able to enter their country.

Very few religions promote violent behavior as an aggressive action. Almost all religions promote peace. Generally the person who acknowledges a certain formal religion, but goes against what that religions says, is simply a liar about the religion that he acknowledges. So, it is not the religion that is corrupting him. Rather, it is his own selfish self that is corrupting him.

Its unfortunate that in the 21st century some people still believes that the way to settle a score irrespective of the reason and the annoying thing is the innocent person who does not care about what the government or the political class are doing will be the victim of such hate crime. Yes some people might want to give it a religious coloration which makes it further irritating to me because a lot of perpetrators of these forgot the fact that they were human first before they knew whether they would follow a particular religion or the other.

You should watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAJfyDTTHE4

It shows the world where micro machines are used to pollinate flowers. They were design as automated robots but of course the government wanted a piece of the tech so they modified them to spy on people. There's more to the story and it actually ends with a tragedy, but I won't spoil it for you

Fun fact, they managed to make a real flying bee drone this year. Future may come sooner than we think.

This proves how religion corrupts the human brain and removes the ability of humans to think rationally. They will do anything all in the name of their beloved god without having second thoughts of killing a fellow human being, because according to their teachings if they kill infidels or die in the name of their god, they will be rewarded in heaven. That's why the world is really messed up because of this organize religion and the people created them.

I agree with you because of this religious belief that humankind is in great shape Because of this conflicts arise and people are reluctant to kill. People treat people inhumanely I think people are killing more because of this religion.

Thank you for warning us about yourself. Since you have gone this far, why don't you go the rest of the way, and turn yourself in to the police for psychic evaluation.

 

Sorry to have to contradict the voices in your head, but...

All that mass shootings in the US show is that, lack of guns among the citizenry makes them targets of terrorists. After all, it is the gun free zones where most of the shootings occur. And it is often standard citizens with guns that repel terrorist shooters.

I tend to have a pessimistic view of human nature. People have always went to war and even outside that, continue to kill each other. Nations will always find reasons to quarrel and some of those will result in armed conflicts.

Having the option to do that in a "less" messy manner can only be a positive since it'll reduce the number of people hurt in the crossfire. I'd rather have countries dropping microbots on each other instead of nukes.

well but the numbers of US mass shootings show something different...  

"reality again, damn it! let me alone with the voices in my head"

How to reduce population...

Take the guns away from the citizens so that the terrorists can reduce the population for you. And by all means, get the terrorists to attack in areas that have the most of your political opponents.

The scariest is when people discuss technical aspects of a war but avoid discussing the motivations. Society of psychos.

It's scary to think about it but imagine if we have really small drones that can target individuals. Remember the first Ant-man movie? Something that small that's equipped with a toxin syringe. Send in a swarm to make sure at least one hits the target. That should reduce civilian casualty provided the drones can accurately identify and tag their target.

maybe they don't need the "good people help". maybe the "good ones" could take care of their own country.

Only noticing this now from a week ago.

But what would you rather have. A place being carpet bombed and hundreds of people dying or a few innocent casualties from a drone strike? Yes all of us want 0, and that's the intention every day. I think drones do actually lower this number closer and closer to zero. We're also saying that we don't need to send US boots on the ground in as many areas as we had to.

oh nice. so it was a very humane attack. the "good people" kind of attack.

I'm so proud! Hope is restored again. go G.I. Joe!

thank you for the explanation.

I'm guessing this is a drone attack, well this is the perfect time to say that drone attacks have been argued to be one of the most humane methods of warfare. May not seem true at first glance, but I think it's much better for both sides to be able to blow up one spot in particular at a particular time with little to no chance of missing the mark. WAIT A SECOND BEFORE YOU SPAM ME WITH LINKS ABOUT INNOCENT PEOPLE DYING IN THESE ATTACKS -- Yes, there are issues with drones as well. But what's better, carpet bombing cities to take out one terrorist or killing a few with precision.

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/15/sunday-review/the-moral-case-for-drones.html

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/08/drones-actually-the-most-humane-form-of-warfare-ever/278746/

Terrorists invade Somalia in 1992. This episode is better known as "Operation Restore Hope"







The hope was restored as you see. Now tell me what these heroes deserve?  ̶#̶s̶u̶p̶p̶o̶r̶t̶o̶u̶r̶t̶r̶o̶o̶p̶s̶

A terrorist is a terrorist an know one should defend bad things just because the person in question belong to your religious affiliation. Whether the person in question is a Muslim, Christian or any other religious beliefs we should all condemn it in totality.

The horrible thing is that it's 21st century and people still kill each other because of their religious beliefs. Humankind is lame.

I am wondering why someone who was arrested and jailed for terrorism related offense was even released in the first place, People who are terrorists never change their ideology no matter what happens,  they have been extremely radicalized for them to turn over a new leaf. The British government can take a cue from the Americans and build their version of Guantanamo Bay.

Video, London Bridge attacker in 2008
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-50615948/london-bridge-attacker-in-2008-i-ain-t-no-terrorist

When the Traquilizer dosage is not big enough and you remember shit they stop benefits if death.
https://youtu.be/JYQjvcONKKs

Worth mentioning that the attacker received training in a camp located in Kashmir partly controlled by Pakistan.
And that region is just next to Xinjiang where the Chinese reeducation camps lie.
So it is obivious that CCP wants to use their version brainwash to fight against islamic brainwash.

Besides, I have seen a few Indians' comments about urging their govt to learn that reeducation camps system from China and uses it upon its muslim population. (As India controls another part of Kashmir sufferring severe attacks)

Excellent question. Really, excellent. But I'm not sure if we have people here able to answer.

Well one thing to consider though is that these people most likely are resigned to their fates. They're not rrslly thinking about what's going to happen to them afterwards as they go about their deeds. It's just sad that innocent people have to bear the consequences of a few radicals' ignorance.

Remember that American mass shootings are in gun-free zones.

What does the picture from Iraq has to do with someone stabbing a random person in the UK or Germany or France?
Was that terrorist even from Iraq?

His family is from Kashmir, which is a region administered by Pakistan and India.


It's usually the dumb ones that are led astray by radical Islam. Who in their right mind would become a suicide bomber?

evil people use knives, good people do this:

Something about knife attacks makes it feel more evil. To be able to stick a knife into someone, I can't explain it, just makes it more psychopathic. Though I believe the citizens should be allowed to own guns, there would probably had been more victims if the terrorist was able to get a hold of guns.

Lol yeah, UK is really regressing. Some of their towns are already overruned by immigrants, future is not bright there.

I find that strange as well. A policeman in the UK has to request a firearm every time. So they don't carry 90% of the time except of when they know they're going to face resistance, like before an arrest, or when they're guarding someone or something.


They have cars and trucks. London and Berlin attacks have proven them to be deadly tools.

they are becoming almost as dangerous as middle eastern invaders, but luckily they have only knives, not airplanes and  battle tanks

He failed No Nut November that's why. A massive coomer rage overwhelmed him.  

Kudos to the "toxic" males that subdued him. The narwhal guy was awesome. Wanna bet the police would ban narwhal tusks after this?  

Despite media trying to cover or belittle these incidents, there are som many ways to find out the news today. If the public don't move and throw out their traitorous government, then they deserve all these other worse things to come.

They should have sticked that tusk up his butt so he doesn't forget what happens when you murder random people in broad daylight. What happened to the good old social justice? In the days of good old British Empire he'd be in stocks for all to see. People would throw garbage at him and spit on him... and then he'd hang.
Instead he'll move into a nice warm cell with 3 meals a day and a clean bed.
 

Nope, they will ban fish bones instead and also some Polish, kitchen chiefs in the process...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/london-bridge-hero-narwhal-tusk-20994944 Łukasz - the hero Brits don't deserve   

These guys are victims that have been radicalised and fooled into becoming the foot soldiers of the globalists. Don't you think that it is no coincidence that it happened just before an election, and just after Corbyn had recovered a couple of points in the polls.

All this happening while regular  police in  London doesn't even carry guns. Maybe now they change that policy, when enough shit starts going on.

It would be really hard for Europe to deal with such events that would certainly increase over time. It's really wrong schooling and lack of love for each other that makes a person that inhumane.
Such event really justify acts by Chinese government to reeducate these brainwashed brutes who believes killing others is what their religion teaches.

Another proud member of the public goes on a rampage and everybody is reluctant to call things as they are. It's not a muslim extremist, a migrant, who stabbed 2 people to death, it's an ISIS-inspired terrorist (according to the liberals). Each of us could be an inspired terrorist, but somehow only muslim migrant scum do these things. Why are they trying to hide it?


So far, the British police has declared Friday's attack on London Bridge "a terrorist incident." The suspect, who wore a fake suicide vest, stabbed several victims on London Bridge before he was killed by police. Authorities have not ascribed a specific motivation to the suspect. But the incident bears a close resemblance to an attack in 2017. ISIS-inspired terrorists wearing fake suicide vests plowed a van into pedestrians on London Bridge before launching a knife attack at the neighboring Borough Market, killing eight people before they were shot dead by police.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/29/opinions/london-terrorist-attack-chilling-reality-bergen/index.html

Damn, really?! His motivation was to kill infidels and go to heaven for it.

The British media don't want to share who the terrorist was and prefer to base the articles on what the PM and Mayor said about it. Other media are more bold:

LONDON—A convicted terrorist released from prison last year killed two people in a stabbing attack in the heart of London before being shot dead by police Friday, prompting authorities to lock down a busy area on the edge of the financial district and bringing back memories of a 2017 rampage nearby.
Authorities identified the suspect as 28-year-old Usman Khan. He had been convicted in 2012 for terrorism offenses and served time in prison for the part he played in the plot to bomb the London Stock Exchange in 2010.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-k-police-dealing-with-incident-at-london-bridge-11575037587