Antminer S9 not cleared by UPS Delhi?

Sherlock_er

newbie

Activity: 42

Merit: 0

Quote from: piyushrockzzz123 on January 26, 2018, 11:26:08 AM

I have ordered 2 Antminer L3+ shipment reached on 7 September. it was hold by the delhi UPS said that this shipment can't be cleared neither in courier mode nor in cargo mode but I have tried and hired a agent he told me that DC is making issue.. than I reach to the Delhi customs and met DC she is very polite and knows about mining rigs and she's in our support but the other officers are making the issue. they are saying this cannot be in personal use or research purpose etc. finally I lose all the hope.. than in January I got a call from my agent He told now you can proceed to pay the duty amount or IEC code penalty etc. finally somehow IT WAS CLEARED BY THE CUSTOM. NOTE: THIS IS NOT RESTRICTED AND RBI JUST GIVE A ADVISORY warning its not a rule... THERE IS NO GOVERNMENT ORDER TO RESTRICT MINER

IN DELHI CUSTOMS 7 SEPT

SHIPMENT RELEASED ON JANUARY 23

AND PLEASE KEEP UPDATE HERE TO SUPPORT INDIAN MINERS HAPPY REPUBLIC DAY Roll Eyes

The best thing to do will be to start video recording and asking them to tell on camera that it is a RBI rule or the government has forbidden it. SM sharing and spreading awareness will help.

Sherlock_er

newbie

Activity: 42

Merit: 0

Quote from: manav24 on September 14, 2017, 10:32:16 PM

its getting worse and happeing Pan India

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.21663490

its getting such a pain clearing them from cutoms.

True. Is this a problem for all imports? Anyone run business smoothly when importing?

piyushrockzzz123

newbie

Activity: 1

Merit: 0

I have ordered 2 Antminer L3+ shipment reached on 7 September. it was hold by the delhi UPS said that this shipment can't be cleared neither in courier mode nor in cargo mode but I have tried and hired a agent he told me that DC is making issue.. than I reach to the Delhi customs and met DC she is very polite and knows about mining rigs and she's in our support but the other officers are making the issue. they are saying this cannot be in personal use or research purpose etc. finally I lose all the hope.. than in January I got a call from my agent He told now you can proceed to pay the duty amount or IEC code penalty etc. finally somehow IT WAS CLEARED BY THE CUSTOM. NOTE: THIS IS NOT RESTRICTED AND RBI JUST GIVE A ADVISORY warning its not a rule... THERE IS NO GOVERNMENT ORDER TO RESTRICT MINER

IN DELHI CUSTOMS 7 SEPT

SHIPMENT RELEASED ON JANUARY 23

AND PLEASE KEEP UPDATE HERE TO SUPPORT INDIAN MINERS HAPPY REPUBLIC DAY Roll Eyes

hul_know

newbie

Activity: 17

Merit: 0

dude already updated(first post), it was cleared but for new orders, bitmain sends a refund email or they will hold shipments until they get a clarity about the Indian govt policy.

gagansite

newbie

Activity: 1

Merit: 0

if anyone want to get their antminers cleared from indian customs, then contact +919654664595

Guvn0r

sr. member

Activity: 647

Merit: 274

Quote from: hul_know on October 12, 2017, 12:16:32 PM

Yes, have already updated on the first message on the first page of this post.

Thank you.. did not see that

hul_know

newbie

Activity: 17

Merit: 0

Yes, have already updated on the first message on the first page of this post.

Guvn0r

sr. member

Activity: 647

Merit: 274

got your miners? please update...

bitcoinisbest

hero member

Activity: 1218

Merit: 557

From this event can me start making a assumption that government is not in a mood to make it legalize due to which they have asked to restrict any such items related to bitcoin. Or shall we consider there is still a scope and once the government clears the path this shall be cleared? From recent past news its getting from good to little bad shape for bitcoins in country.

devil_prince

newbie

Activity: 1

Merit: 0

tell them to clear it in cargo mode
and ask for the procedure from customer care

vinnuDAbhai

newbie

Activity: 4

Merit: 0

This is regarding Nationwide blockage by customs clearance for Antminers in India. All antminers (High speed ASICS HSN CODE: 85437099) imported from china to India after August 20th are blocked by Indian customs. As we did not know about the change of RBI guidelines towards Antminers all shipments are blocked now with the Indian Customs.

Join Whatsapp group who are facing similar Issues
https://chat.whatsapp.com/DQ6VJdTH380J6NZC8ig4tf

hul_know

newbie

Activity: 17

Merit: 0

They would need enough power supplies to run such a scam and power supplies usually get cleared without any problems. It is just incompetence and arrogance of officials who think they can do whatever they want, when most of their job duties can be done with the help of a single 25 dollar Raspberry Pi. I emailed RBI about any new notification(no reply) and also launched a grievance on https://www.pgportal.gov.in/GrievanceNew.aspx .I suggest people launch grievances on this and select CBEC after Public. If many do may be something will come of it.

buybtcworld

newbie

Activity: 29

Merit: 0

Quote from: hul_know on September 20, 2017, 03:44:52 PM

Quote from: Coinblues on September 20, 2017, 07:26:21 AM

I had an L3+ shipment that was to be delivered in the first week of September via UPS, but has subsequenty gone on hold, as it is not cleared by customs.
As per the UPS guy, the District Commissioner (Customs) has been directed by RBI to not allow any further shipments of bitcoin mining equipment, until further notice, due to concerns that these could be used to fund illegal activities such as terrorism. The DC is basically saying " get an approval letter from RBI and i will clear it". So it guess its going to be a loooooooong wait till we get shipments cleared, by which time the profitability of using the miner will go down massively, to the point that it becomes an expensive paperweight!.

IMO it is absolutely ridiculous, and geared towards making life as difficult as possible for miners in India, with everything getting taxed to the maximum possible extent for an "acche din" that never shows up on the horizon.

They are making life a hell and that is the only thing they are good at.

Date : Feb 01, 2017
RBI cautions users of Virtual Currencies
The Reserve Bank of India had cautioned the users, holders and traders of Virtual Currencies (VCs), including Bitcoins, about the potential financial, operational, legal, customer protection and security related risks that they are exposing themselves to, vide its press release dated December 24, 2013.
The Reserve Bank of India advises that it has not given any licence / authorisation to any entity / company to operate such schemes or deal with Bitcoin or any virtual currency. As such, any user, holder, investor, trader, etc. dealing with Virtual Currencies will be doing so at their own risk.
Jose J. Kattoor
Chief General Manager
Press Release: 2016-17/2054

Where is it written its not allowed? customs or shipping company.. one of them is playing around.. NOT DONE!

hul_know

newbie

Activity: 17

Merit: 0

Quote from: Coinblues on September 20, 2017, 07:26:21 AM

I had an L3+ shipment that was to be delivered in the first week of September via UPS, but has subsequenty gone on hold, as it is not cleared by customs.
As per the UPS guy, the District Commissioner (Customs) has been directed by RBI to not allow any further shipments of bitcoin mining equipment, until further notice, due to concerns that these could be used to fund illegal activities such as terrorism. The DC is basically saying " get an approval letter from RBI and i will clear it". So it guess its going to be a loooooooong wait till we get shipments cleared, by which time the profitability of using the miner will go down massively, to the point that it becomes an expensive paperweight!.

IMO it is absolutely ridiculous, and geared towards making life as difficult as possible for miners in India, with everything getting taxed to the maximum possible extent for an "acche din" that never shows up on the horizon.

They are making life a hell and that is the only thing they are good at.

Coinblues

newbie

Activity: 1

Merit: 0

I had an L3+ shipment that was to be delivered in the first week of September via UPS, but has subsequenty gone on hold, as it is not cleared by customs.
As per the UPS guy, the District Commissioner (Customs) has been directed by RBI to not allow any further shipments of bitcoin mining equipment, until further notice, due to concerns that these could be used to fund illegal activities such as terrorism. The DC is basically saying " get an approval letter from RBI and i will clear it". So it guess its going to be a loooooooong wait till we get shipments cleared, by which time the profitability of using the miner will go down massively, to the point that it becomes an expensive paperweight!.

IMO it is absolutely ridiculous, and geared towards making life as difficult as possible for miners in India, with everything getting taxed to the maximum possible extent for an "acche din" that never shows up on the horizon.

hul_know

newbie

Activity: 17

Merit: 0

It is funny because I haven't been asked about any RBI NOC

buybtcworld

newbie

Activity: 29

Merit: 0

Quote from: hul_know on September 20, 2017, 03:37:13 AM

Here is the RBI notification https://rbi.org.in/scripts/bs_pressreleasedisplay.aspx?prid=39435 they are citing. This does not talk of anything to restrict miners which are just fast computers. It even says users are responsible for their own. They are causing a lot of tension asking for this and that document. Indian government just finding new ways of harassing its citizens.

I just called UPS asking for Query written by customs which asks for NOC from RBI.. And than the voice stumbled which gave me a hint that UPS is playing around. I said if you need NOC give me the copy of query which I can show to RBI and get a NOC.. Also, I spoke to a big clearing agent who told me that RBIs NOC is only needed to show that you have paid from your earned money not for anything else. So, now UPS says we will try to get it cleared on your request (without NOC). Lets see what happens..

hul_know

newbie

Activity: 17

Merit: 0

Here is the RBI notification https://rbi.org.in/scripts/bs_pressreleasedisplay.aspx?prid=39435 they are citing. This does not talk of anything to restrict miners which are just fast computers. It even says users are responsible for their own. They are causing a lot of tension asking for this and that document. Indian government just finding new ways of harassing its citizens.

buybtcworld

newbie

Activity: 29

Merit: 0

Quote from: manav24 on September 14, 2017, 10:32:16 PM

its getting worse and happeing Pan India

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.21663490

its getting such a pain clearing them from cutoms.

Happening with me too, got my PSUs delivered however for D3s UPS is asking for NOC from RBI.. I am shocked of the scam they are running.. i have told them that it has to do nothing with RBI, UPS says its dash coin miner, I said how do you know.. there is no place where its written that.. I have written a letter to them on email stating that its a high end graphic card required nothing to do with RBI!!
Shucks!!

hul_know

newbie

Activity: 17

Merit: 0

As per some folks RBI has asked customs to not clear crypto currency related H/W. And some are saying they need permission from RBI to issue the clearance. Meanwhile we people are are not just losing money on the crypto we could have mined, we will also be paying customs for holding our shipments that is in addition to 40% plus tax.

"Re-imbursement charges INR 250.00 or 2.5% of the duty amount whichever is higher along with Demurrage charges (as per below table) +service tax.

From 0-3 days : 0

From 4-10 days : (Rs. 2 per kg/day)

From 11-20 days : (Rs. 3 per kg/day)

From 21-30 days : (Rs. 4.5 per kg/day)

From >30 days : (Rs. 6 per kg/day)

Please note that according to the provisions under the Regulation 5(5) of Courier Import and Export (Clearance) Regulation, 1998 as amended vide Customs Notification No. 54/99, the shipment may be surrendered to the customs for disposal, if not cleared within 30 days of arrival."

manav24

member

Activity: 122

Merit: 13

its getting worse and happeing Pan India

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.21663490

its getting such a pain clearing them from cutoms.

hul_know

newbie

Activity: 17

Merit: 0

no nothing yet

Quote from: Guvn0r on September 13, 2017, 07:49:10 AM

any updates on this?... I am waiting for delivery from Innosilicon , I ordered their A4 Dominator... Shocked

Guvn0r

sr. member

Activity: 647

Merit: 274

any updates on this?... I am waiting for delivery from Innosilicon , I ordered their A4 Dominator... Shocked

hul_know

newbie

Activity: 17

Merit: 0

Yes we are paying first world taxes in a third world country. Actually some of first world countries don't charge anything for this and others charge 5-12%. Besides paying import duty on a hardware your country doesn't produce is stupid and regressive.

Quote from: legendster on September 12, 2017, 03:05:51 AM

Quote from: manav24 on September 11, 2017, 09:22:15 PM

Quote from: legendster on September 11, 2017, 04:15:01 PM

Sad state of governance.

At least miners are not having to pay double tax like imported vehicles.
I just hope rahul gandhi imports some miners and finally raises enough capital to fight Modi and win an election and reduce these ridiculous prices.

lol

You never know if this is the issue with UPS or customs as DHL works fine with Miner and customs and atleast they dont get stuck,

yeah amount of Duty is ridiculous but you are importing a Money printing machine so you gotta give some share to Govt.

No?

No. Its my money printing machine not theirs. BC GST ke naam pe laga rakkha hai bamboo upar se aur do. bhak.

legendster

hero member

Activity: 1778

Merit: 764

www.V.systems

Quote from: manav24 on September 11, 2017, 09:22:15 PM

Quote from: legendster on September 11, 2017, 04:15:01 PM

Sad state of governance.

At least miners are not having to pay double tax like imported vehicles.
I just hope rahul gandhi imports some miners and finally raises enough capital to fight Modi and win an election and reduce these ridiculous prices.

lol

You never know if this is the issue with UPS or customs as DHL works fine with Miner and customs and atleast they dont get stuck,

yeah amount of Duty is ridiculous but you are importing a Money printing machine so you gotta give some share to Govt.

No?

No. Its my money printing machine not theirs. BC GST ke naam pe laga rakkha hai bamboo upar se aur do. bhak.

manav24

member

Activity: 122

Merit: 13

Quote from: legendster on September 11, 2017, 04:15:01 PM

Sad state of governance.

At least miners are not having to pay double tax like imported vehicles.
I just hope rahul gandhi imports some miners and finally raises enough capital to fight Modi and win an election and reduce these ridiculous prices.

lol

You never know if this is the issue with UPS or customs as DHL works fine with Miner and customs and atleast they dont get stuck,

yeah amount of Duty is ridiculous but you are importing a Money printing machine so you gotta give some share to Govt.

No?

legendster

hero member

Activity: 1778

Merit: 764

www.V.systems

Sad state of governance.

At least miners are not having to pay double tax like imported vehicles.
I just hope rahul gandhi imports some miners and finally raises enough capital to fight Modi and win an election and reduce these ridiculous prices.

lol

hul_know

newbie

Activity: 17

Merit: 0

It is not the weight. They just said Bitcoin Miners are restricted in courier mode.

They will give me an update in 2-3 days

For anyone else wondering about the import duty in India on Antminer S9, it is IGST 28% + BCD 10% + Cess 1% as of September 2017. So they are charging Rs 32027 around 42 % tax.
USD 1099 + freight charges of USD 74.18 = USD 1173.18
1173.18*64.90= Rs 76139

Quote from: manav24 on September 11, 2017, 10:29:42 AM

Quote from: hul_know on September 11, 2017, 03:50:39 AM

Well today they said Shipment landed in courier mode and asked me to share another declaration letter addressing to “Deputy Commissioner of Customs”, NCT, New Delhi, requesting customs for clearance and also asked to state end use, purpose of import of the imported article, (will update as it goes )

Well have you asked them why it cannot be imported in courier mode??

as per cbec" Packages upto 70 Kgs. of weight can be imported to India through courier mode. However, there is no such weight limit for export of goods through courier from India."

Also "Commercial goods which are dutiable can also be imported through the courier without any restriction of quantity subject to payment of duty by the courier company at the time of clearance of the said goods from the Customs. "

source: http://www.cbec.gov.in/htdocs-cbec/js-menu/import-courier

manav24

member

Activity: 122

Merit: 13

Quote from: hul_know on September 11, 2017, 03:50:39 AM

Well today they said Shipment landed in courier mode and asked me to share another declaration letter addressing to “Deputy Commissioner of Customs”, NCT, New Delhi, requesting customs for clearance and also asked to state end use, purpose of import of the imported article, (will update as it goes )

Well have you asked them why it cannot be imported in courier mode??

as per cbec" Packages upto 70 Kgs. of weight can be imported to India through courier mode. However, there is no such weight limit for export of goods through courier from India."

Also "Commercial goods which are dutiable can also be imported through the courier without any restriction of quantity subject to payment of duty by the courier company at the time of clearance of the said goods from the Customs. "

source: http://www.cbec.gov.in/htdocs-cbec/js-menu/import-courier

hul_know

newbie

Activity: 17

Merit: 0

Lol yes DHL Fedex may work

Quote from: legendster on September 11, 2017, 06:47:00 AM

Quote from: dwink on September 11, 2017, 01:55:36 AM

Any updates dude? I was looking around and thinking of buying one... now im sitting on the fence Huh

No need to sit on the fence. Sit on a chair. You can always use fedex, dpd or Dhl. They have no such issues.

legendster

hero member

Activity: 1778

Merit: 764

www.V.systems

Quote from: dwink on September 11, 2017, 01:55:36 AM

Any updates dude? I was looking around and thinking of buying one... now im sitting on the fence Huh

No need to sit on the fence. Sit on a chair. You can always use fedex, dpd or Dhl. They have no such issues.

hul_know

newbie

Activity: 17

Merit: 0

Well today they said Shipment landed in courier mode and asked me to share another declaration letter addressing to “Deputy Commissioner of Customs”, NCT, New Delhi, requesting customs for clearance and also asked to state end use, purpose of import of the imported article, (will update as it goes )

dwink

member

Activity: 91

Merit: 10

Any updates dude? I was looking around and thinking of buying one... now im sitting on the fence Huh

manav24

member

Activity: 122

Merit: 13

How may S9 ?
this is unheard of, it may be some internal policy of UPS.
Plz keep us updated.
Good Luck

legendster

hero member

Activity: 1778

Merit: 764

www.V.systems

Quote from: hul_know on September 09, 2017, 01:00:06 PM

Quote from: legendster on September 09, 2017, 12:53:09 PM

Quote from: hul_know on September 09, 2017, 11:05:16 AM

I used UPS as shipping service and got this in mail after uploading KYC.
"Bitcoin Miner are restricted to import in courier mode hence cannot be cleared from customs"
What can I do?

They cannot do this. If they have an internal policy of not accepting miners then the origin port should have refused it.
Also, its a blatant lie if they tell you India's customs doesn't allow its import.

I also thought the same. Didn't have problems before. Will never use UPS again.

First clear out the current issue and provide more updates.

hul_know

newbie

Activity: 17

Merit: 0

Quote from: legendster on September 09, 2017, 12:53:09 PM

Quote from: hul_know on September 09, 2017, 11:05:16 AM

I used UPS as shipping service and got this in mail after uploading KYC.
"Bitcoin Miner are restricted to import in courier mode hence cannot be cleared from customs"
What can I do?

They cannot do this. If they have an internal policy of not accepting miners then the origin port should have refused it.
Also, its a blatant lie if they tell you India's customs doesn't allow its import.

I also thought the same. Didn't have problems before. Will never use UPS again.

legendster

hero member

Activity: 1778

Merit: 764

www.V.systems

Quote from: hul_know on September 09, 2017, 11:05:16 AM

I used UPS as shipping service and got this in mail after uploading KYC.
"Bitcoin Miner are restricted to import in courier mode hence cannot be cleared from customs"
What can I do?

They cannot do this. If they have an internal policy of not accepting miners then the origin port should have refused it.
Also, its a blatant lie if they tell you India's customs doesn't allow its import.

hul_know

newbie

Activity: 17

Merit: 0

Yes but they were not helpful and repeated the same line. Have emailed customer care(waiting for a response).

dwink

member

Activity: 91

Merit: 10

Have you tried calling UPS office in India and asking them what they can do about it other than sending it back? Maybe its an internal policy within UPS to not clear it, and maybe they can give you the documents necessary to transfer their responsibility to you and you take up the burden of customs clearance? I think anything would be a better solution than having it sent back.

hul_know

newbie

Activity: 17

Merit: 0

I used UPS as shipping service and got this in mail after uploading KYC.
"Bitcoin Miner are restricted to import in courier mode hence cannot be cleared from customs"
What can I do?

edited 4/10/2017

landed on 6th Sep
cleared on 28th Sep
received on 4th Oct

Documents Required :

KYC
Authorization
Declaration
Invoice
Transaction Details(used bank statement to buy btc and blockchain link for transaction )
Promise to Pay(PTP) to Shipping Company

import duty Rs 33290

Topic: Antminer S9 not cleared by UPS Delhi? (Read 3614 times)