Thanks for the info.
I have some good news! I got them both fixed.
The weirdest thing, I did not even think THIS would happen.
So we did a few changes on our firewall that same day the miners went down. I run the miners on an open network that is supposed to bypass the firewall. For some reason when connected to that network this happens. I would think that atleast the miners would beep and pickup the blades and show the pools as dead, not have the CGMiner process crash (that's what I think happens) and not even show anything.
So I moved them over to our ADSL that has no firewall and just a normal Home Router and it immediatelly started working. Moved it back to the other networ like it was and exactely the same thing happend, they dont even pickup the blades.
Now I also think the chips got damaged as on chip on the S4 shows "X", and one on the S5 has an X and one does noet even show -,0 or X. I did feel that the heatsinks was extremly hot and the fans just idle while they were sitting there for a day not hashing.
Not sure why they would, what seems to be hashing/runing full speed even if they don't show up in the GUI and have the fans sit on idle, but at least they were blowing some air.
So i do have some damage, but at least I found the problem and got them back up. Hopefully this also helps someone else out there with a strange issue like I had.
At least gave me a light at the end of the tunnel