Topic: (Any Guesses?) Are there many real (unpaid) people still posting here at BCT? (Read 1220 times)

Is a topic in the Off-Topic section really a good idea for gauging the quality of the answers on the forum? It's not la crème de la crème that generally posts there. If I want to judge how open-minded Americans people are, I'm not going to do my test at a KKK reunion.

You should maybe do the test in a section related to BTC (technical, mining etc..etc..), I think the results would be different.
I was personaly able to have multiple interesting conversations despite the signature campaigns (even if I agree it would be better without some specific spammers)

I wondered why you did that post. thank you for the explanation.

I did a quick (unscientific) test.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/landing-on-the-moon-was-so-easy-this-time-5486210

Complete nonsense post, and I got two replies from people with signatures who obviously didn't even read it.   I haven't been able to have a contributing conversation in a few years due to all the paid to post spam. 

There could be many reasons why a someone could get determined that they wanted to join this forum, some could be through their search on the internet, while some may be by their friends referrals, but the truth is, this is bitcointalk where we make discussions about bitcoin and get to connect with others from across the world in this discussions, posting to get paid will now determined by whom you're posting for, or who hired you or not for doing that, but on a general level, everyone should post here freely and without being obligated for being paid.


You're right, some already have been here over time without having considerations for joining a signature campaign and they enjoy it that way because they are not after that, some may as well reconsider to participate and that's not a problem, there are criterial in joining one, but what people must understand is the fact that this place is not a money making platform, we are only doing that as part of the benefits we got served with being a member and the main purpose is for bitcoin discussion, i think there are other threads discussions as well being allowed aside that for bitcoin discussion, like politics and society, altcoins discussions and gambling.

Cool down, bro. I've grown to accept one fact, everyone cannot reason like me or I know the purpose of everything. For this, I've come to the realization of respecting people's opinions even if they look absurd at times, the writers might have their good reasons.

Like the one in the OP, I am sure it's so harmless, that I view it as a survey to which everyone is entitled. And those who see it as off could just maturely excuse themselves from the thread since it's not by force. The question might be to clear the doubt of the OP in what is making this forum active. Could it be the love of the forum/cryptocurrency or the money people are deriving from it? It's as simple as that.

I've noticed that this forum is so active due to the money derived from it by people irrespective of how pretending many users could be. You can see criticism when m!xers were sent off from this place and how many teleported to another forum for financial benefits. This is what I believe the OP wanted to establish which is totally within his right and also harmless to anyone.

Well, in reality it does not matter however the OP did ask the question. If you look at boards (such as Bitcoin Discussion) ,in my opinion there has to be a large number of posts that are created with the intent they will hopefully be merited and they include all subjects.

This thread was probably created with the same intention because the one asking the question could merely take a look around the forum and see for himself how many were not promoting via campaigns now.

Is this your own personal situation and you sold at those times in 2017 and 2021?

Well, if I can think that there's a possibility that they might do this then there's a likelihood that they are really doing this, I'm more surprised with the fact that there's someone in this forum that can do 50 posts in a day, I can't even manage to do a 10 in a day and they can do 50? That person probably got no life outside of the forum because if they did then they wouldn't be churning out such ungodly amounts of posts even if they're spams and useless rants, the effort it takes is still too much.

Following type of users are posting here without the need to get paid

1) There are users coming through google search based on any crypto related problem they are facing and for which a thread has been opened here. They will share their experience also in the same thread. Since, this forum ranks very high in search engines, this constitutes a good percentage of overall members here.

2) Same way there are many members here just to improve their knowledge about crypto and to know the recent news related to crypto. That can be a bigger incentive for them than paid signature campaigns especially if they are investing big amounts in crypto.

If you see a post that does not have a link/logo in either their signature or personal website information, then they probably are not being paid. Unfortunately, that is what many puppeteers do, they build up accounts before monetising them therefore just because some accounts might not be displaying/promoting a brand now it does not mean they will never do it.

If memory serves correct, I applied to join my first signature campaign after I had made around 9500 posts but eventually joined my first signature campaign after I had made 10,000 posts therefore I mad over 10,000 posts without getting paid (though one of the victims of a scam did make generous gifts to some members including me that supported him when his funds were stolen by an exchange and he eventually had them returned).

Nice advice there, and I must say that I've been doing this well and it's working for me. Maturity entails a lot of things, it might be difficult or feel foolish at times but it is the best. You don't just give some people what they want so that they do not drag you into their folly. Silence, they say is the best answer for a fool, this could also be applicable to trollers and you can see a whole lot of them everywhere whether it's in this forum or anywhere else.

With my personal resolves, I decided to be of this decision since I took my time to look around and realise the behaviour of people, and also see how many parents are raising their children and I realised that people are not just the same. The path at which some people grow up is so bad, not to mention the kind of life they are leading afterwards.

Is this the kind of people you will be dragging with? We are better to let them be if we are wise.

If you find a troll posting something, remember the first rule; don't feed them.
Trolls are those who can basically bother you at any time, but when you ignore them and put them on your ignore list, then you will be much more comfortable surfing this forum without being bothered by them. Feeding trolls will not change their point of view, they are not users who easily change their mindset and whatever; it all ended in vain.

If I'm not wrong then such users are only creating thread like that to promote hatred and nothing else, they really feel jealous by seeing other active members who have been active on this forum for many years making some income from the signature campaigns. That's why they create such thread to make drama that what will happen if the signature campaigns stop on this forum, will members be active if signature campaigns move form this forum, blah blah, just useless thread like that.

I think the best way to tackle those members is to avoid replying on their threads because if they receive replies on such threads then they might make similar threads again and again to get some more replies and in long run some members might merit their threads. If the signature campaigns are running on this forum and if members are trying to make good posts because they're part of those signature campaigns then what's wrong in that? I mean instead of making shit-posts or ChatGpt generated posts they're sharing the knowledge they have and at the same time they're trying to learn new things so they can make even better posts. I think it's a beneficial thing for the forum and for those members who seek information via this forum.

Honestly could just be me generalizing all the hate anti-sigs have thrown over the years. Although earlier this year I saw quite a couple of those Anti-sig propagandists make posts about how the forum would be better without signature campaigns or something along those lines. So yup. The hate still exists, but you may be right Sir Sceptical, since the topics they have made so far aren't really as hostile as they were back in the days. Just some 'food for thought' stuff although you'd smell the propaganda from a mile away.

As for the shitposter content to rank up and be merited, the thing is that's counter-intuitive. You wanna get merited and rank up so in theory what they should've done is push out great content and focus more on the quality rather than the quantity, and I don't think they're getting merited either since I personally keep tabs on some of those mfers and I haven't seen anyone of them go past the Jr. Member rank. So it's not like these people are getting what they want. This is correct. Probably just missed to mention these as I have seen a couple of them as well. I stopped checking the Project Development board months ago because of this as well so I haven't kept tabs on these clowns who scam people as much as I check on the newbies I suspect of using ChatGPT and shitposting. I don't think they're getting what they want as well, it's not the first rodeo for most of us so it's not like we're gonna get scammed.

There is a group of sh!tposters you guys are missing in your analysis. I have just seen that type recently in the project development board. A newbie account will drop a project they developed (real or scam), but likely scam and you will immediately see other newbie accounts as the first first to ten comments praising the project and testifying how they made alot of fortune from the project. Probably only one person has those accounts. That is another type of spam that non signature campaign participants generate.

I have never heard of this, or thought about this. That someone would deliberately create a new account to raise shitty topics in order to easily complete post quota. I mean this forum is wide enough for anyone who wants to drop 50 posts a day. Besides, I have seen people who discuss in threads above 10 pages and get paid even when it is possible that those posts won't generate any view. So, what's the need for creating new accounts just to raise topics. Well, the idea doesn't sound like something that will not happen. It is just possible.

If you observe newbies that are posting in Bitcoin Discussion, you can probably collect a lot of data from there although I don't believe that those accounts are really newbies, the way that they post about different bitcoin related topics might look janky to us but there's some hints that most of them aren't really that totally noob when it comes to the way the forum works, I have a conspiracy that this "newbie" accounts are created so there's more topics to reply from because they've been in a lot of campaigns for so long that they're probably running out of topics to reply to.

I rightly understand your question that it is about to quench your curiosity. However there is a misappropriation of word in your sentence composition, I did not know if it was intentionally or an oversight but I think the former should be the case. You referred to those who do not wear signature as the real posters in the bitcoin talk forum. As Lovesmayfamilis had said, wearing signature doesn't mean someone is less passionate about the forum. It also does not mean that everyone wearing signature will automatically abandon the forum when signature campaign is stopped in the forum.

Even if I become a millionaire, I will still wear signature and get paid here weekly. If I have no need for the money, I can channel it to the charity. I cannot be an exceptional poster here and not wear signature. Signature campaign is like a brand here and it is also part of the forum as among the things that gives the forum vibes. I do respect those not wearing signatures and sincerely wish they can one day just like philipma1957 did.

I might be blind as a bat, but I haven't seen much more vitriol directed against sig campaigns lately.  It used to be really bad a few years ago before the merit system cleaned a lot of garbage created by account farmers and whatnot, but has there been a call to end campaigns and/or an increased amount of posts directed against shitposters in campaigns? 

As far as the reason for the hate....well, I used to be a part of the group of members who were sick and tired of the campaign-driven drivel that polluted and still pollutes many sections of our beloved forum.  Maybe I've grown used to it, maybe the garbage pile has shrunk, I don't know but from what I can see things are a hell of a lot better than they used to be with respect to post quality--overall, I mean.

If a shitposter isn't in a campaign, they're probably looking to rank up and get in one or have some other nefarious motive for cranking out generic, zero-value posts.  That's always been my view, though I don't have any data to back it up.

does it really matter if they are being paid or not? People have different reasons for joining the forum and for some, it's totally a platform of learning and sharing their wealth of experience with fellow bitcoineers while for some, they look at the pay as the central point of their existence in the forum.

As long as you could get some financial benefit for doing the same thing you will comfortably do at your convenience, would you reject it just because you came in for the knowledge sake?  And the thing is that you're not just being paid for doing nothing so it's not out of place to exist in the forum and actively participate in the forum discussion while receiving some financial accolades in return.

 Of course there are those who are unpaid here in this forum. I just wonder why you find it so important to ask the question yet haven't come to respond or possibly lock the thread because it's obvious you've gotten your answer. Before you do though; why are you asking to know if there are unpaid posters here? Curious to know if majority of us here are more interested in the money signature campaigns generate than just genuine interest in the forum? Or you want to know what drives those who aren't but still come here to post? Well, I guess some of them will have their reasons but for me I feel it's because this place is cool enough to compete with some social platforms, you learn , share ideas and still manage to stay anonymous.

Yes, for example me. And whether I participate in signature campaigns or not, I'm still active and posting what I want to post.
Because I consider this forum as part of my communication and activities to be able to search for information and also to develop my knowledge.
And I always read every hour or even second so as not to miss any information or anything important in it, and will also post if I want.
BTT is a good place to develop knowledge because there are many great people who continue to provide information and solutions to all threads so it is very interesting for me to make it part of my daily activities.

Pretty sure there are still a few thousands of them who are not getting paid either because they want to, or because no signature campaign wants to take them due to posting habits, merits, or previous flags.

Ahh Sir Sceptical, if only these anti-sigs thinks the same way as you do.

Signature campaigns have been the forum's bread and butter combo but as it stands the hate for signature campaign members seem to just grow by the day, and I'm not sure if I'm comfortable about it anymore. People stating in their posts that the quality of the forum's gonna shoot up if theymos stopped allowing signature campaigns from happening and the likes have bugged my meta feed for a while now and frankly I just don't understand the hate directed towards people who are given the chance to get paid for doing the same thing they would otherwise do if they aren't.

Matter of fact and this is a keen observation of mine, most shitposters in here aren't even from campaigns, they were those no-sig mfers who push out content shat by ChatGPT or stolen from the bird app to get merits and rise up the ranks, possibly to get signed up on a signature campaign, if they want to shoo shitposters away from this forum I think they should look into that instead of directing their hate against people whose posts are weekly audited and observed for quality.

Absolutely, and it's always been that way as far as I can tell.

I'm currently not in a signature campaign (though I'm a member of Foxpup's merit cycling club, I don't have a post quota) and I spend a hell of a lot of time on the forum every day, whether it's reading through various threads trying to get some news, handing out merits, or just dropping some posts that interest me.  I did not come here to earn money back in 2015, and I'm still not here to earn money.  Sure, if there's a campaign that'll have me, why not get paid for doing what I'd be doing anyway?  Right now there isn't, yet here I am, blabbing away as if I had a crazy character quota.

However, I still think that most newcomers to the forum have been enticed by the prospect of joining a campaign or bounty, which is why merits are still so important.  But whatever; it's been that way for years.

It is easy to not care about signing if you had 1000 btc at 6 bucks a coin.

Sold ½ in December of 2017 grabbing  500 x 19000 = 9.5 million.

then wait til 2021 and sell 200 coins at 65,000 or 13,000,000

thats 22.5 million and you still hodl 300 coins.

There are few people on this site at those levels.

They post for fun and are free from money issues.

What does it matter?
Should people who don't earn from the forum be rated more than people who do?
It's the quality of their post that matters. Some people earn on the forum but they're always ready to help out when you have a technical issue, especially Bitcoin-related.
I have asked many questions where I had issues and both members who earn on the forum and those who don't set me on the right path.

Some people don't earn from the forum but do their bit to make the community grow. They are also educative.
So I don't think people should be separated into earner and non-earner on the forum, it should be based on the quality of posts and their contributions to this community if you must distinguish people.

You can always filter users that have a campaign signatures in their accounts, I don't know if that it will still work but a forum user (I forgot the name) but he/she got a link in his/her account a link to help you ignore users that are participating in a signature campaign. There's still a lot of people that's posting don't do signature campaign, maybe if you've scoured the whole forum you'll probably see a lot of them just enjoying discussing bitcoin related and unrelated stuff. If you want to, you can always ignore users that you think aren't up to your standards when it comes to posting in the forum.

You basically just said what I was saying this whole time.

First off, let me set the record straight, I don't think sig campaign members are in any way whatsoever "exempt" from this, cause I've seen quite a couple shitposters myself, particularly in the gambling section. But the thing is, they don't even account for the greater part of the shitposting population in the forum. They are literally minuscule compared to just how many no-sig shitposters there are. To single out a population of users just so you can feel morally superior about your status as a "no-sig-wearing" (and I'm not saying you're one of them for crying out loud you're in one) is just fucking hypocritical when the only thing that you really got going for yourself is that you're actively and consciously choosing to not get paid for the effort that you put out, which by the way, nobody asked you to do so. Basically to me people who feel so morally superior that they don't wear signatures or join signature campaigns are pretty much just like baby boomers hating on kids for using the latest iPhones.

Again, I'm not saying that sig campaign members aren't to blame, matter of fact a lot of them are, but if we're going to single out a population of people in the forum just so the other can wave their dicks around, I guess two can play at that game.

Some users, maybe more.

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So, you want to say that there is no people in signature campaigns who dish out toilet-worthy content? Maybe in highest paying campaigns - yes. But in general, there is plenty of such people. Either they have no idea what they're talking about, repeating what as already said oreven using AI for their posts.
Ok, I'm not the most tech savvy guy on this forum, but I'm not posting in topics where I don't have enough knowledge or have no interest about subject.
You're right that signature campaign participants don't care what I think about them, same like I don't really care for qhat reasons they come to Bitcointalk. If someone here is for money and not technology and they're posting quality content - that's just great. Not tryng to spread hate on signature campaign members as it would be stupid when I'm wearing paid signature myself.

I didn't wear a signature for most of last year because I wasn't very active and there didn't seem to be many campaigns with low posting quotas available for full members. I somehow got accepted into a well paying mixer campaign and have been involved in a few other campaigns since then, with the only exception being when the Mixy campaign was paused for a while.

Prior to being in a campaign I would talk about crypto and sports on Reddit, Telegram and other forums but since you can make money on Bitcointalk, it made more sense to find a few boards that interest me and dedicate some time to this forum instead.

Still, there are members who post even though they are not paid (not on a campaign). I think these people fall into 3 categories

First, members who have not reached Full Member rank are still active to get merit

Second, members who still hope to receive a campaign in the future will remain active and not leave the forum

Third, members who really like discussing and will continue to discuss whether to join the campaign or not, even if their account is trustworthy or not.

Honestly, you're offending yourself.

Most of the people here who join signature campaigns have a great deal of knowledge about the crypto industry, as Campaign Managers like Hhampuz and Julerz ensure that all their participants aren't here to get money while they dish out toilet-worthy content. And people like me (who have been in this jig for many years now and have become part of signature campaigns in the past and the present) are just as interested as you guys are with the technology of bitcoin. I'm a crypto tech writer for crying out loud.

You're basically looking for things to offend yourself. No signature campaign members care about how you hate them or whatever, what do you care if they are here for the side hustle money and not for the technology? Does that automatically mean that they'd dish out shitty content? NO! Does that also mean that people who don't have signatures post crispy valuable content either? NO!

Matter of fact the hate is misdirected against sig members! If you really wanna purge shitposters you have to look someplace else!

I like your answer because it's straigh and honest. It's true that many here isn't because they like Bitcoin or something similar, but simply because they need money. But still, they pretend that they're interested, come here not justto make money and would continue posting even if signature campaigns would disappear.
But I don't agree with your point about discirmination. Put yourself into perspective ofsomeone who is here not for money, but because they like technology. And people who are making generic posts just for their signature campaign quota is ruining their experience here.

I think it's time we stop this discrimination against people who wear signatures from those who don't. In the first place, and let's be honest about this, a lot of us here wouldn't be doing stuff for the love of bitcoin or to better contribute to the industry, cause that's not gonna pay the bills (not to misconstrue that signature campaigns could pay your bills or whatever), plus it's to be expected especially from a growing social networking platform like bitcointalk to have its own way of monetizing interactions and content, and it just so happened that it's as decentralized as crypto itself.

I get it, it's nice every now and again to do stuff just cause you love it. Frankly speaking if the world doesn't entirely revolve around money or power for sure a lot of us here would've loved to do that too, but many here rely upon these signature campaigns as means to get their side hustle money (and it's not like their content is garbage either I've seen many signature campaign members in the past post valuable nuggets of info and wisdom here) and hating on them just doesn't make you look any better or smarter. If you can't beat them, be happy for them is the name of the game and is all I'm saying.

Partially true, but for me personally, I look for topics that interest me more, if I don't find enough of them, I won't post on arbitrary subjects no matter wearing a paid sig or not. And when I'm bored from forum, I'd go do the naughty things instead.
It's natural honestly, we all need to have something in our hands to play with and keep us busy, or we would try to find something ourselves.

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This kind of reminds me of an advice I gave to my girlfriend's brother, his wife was trying to cheat on him, and since I couldn't tell him directly, I told my girl that her brother needs to buy the wife a dildo, so that she can keep busy when the husband is at work. I think that conversation ended in bed, naked. Typical move from me to start such convo just to get in her pants.😂😂

Probably not. Most people here don’t really have anything worthwhile to say. If the admin bans sig camps, probably more than 90% of the forum traffic will be gone. I don’t blame people tho. There really isn’t much to talk about crypto other than the high fees and some exchange related stuff. There are some developments are going on too apparently but the public isn’t really interested in the technical details of crypto so they can’t really comment on these topics. Still though, I occasionally find some good posts to read.

The forum is kind of entertaining when some major drama happens in the reputation board. Keep reading and you will see what I am talking about eventually. The last event was about a forum user “Ratimov” (renamed his account to “Symmetrick” later on).  If you visit that board you may read some interesting posts there.

The forum also used to be a good place to promote/discuss m**ers but now it is not anymore because they are banned… I am telling you this because these services were providing privacy and privacy is kind of a feature of btc. Now we can’t talk about these services specifically or promote them in any way.

Just because many people say something wrong, it doesn't make it right. By perpetuating it, you are only spreading what is wrong.

Without the signature campaigns, many members would continue to write on the forum but there would be a serious decline in quantity. You can see many members without signatures writing on various topics. They may look few because they don't write very often as others, but in fact there are many users without a paid signature. You can think about what the overall forum will be like by looking at the messages in the sections where posts are not counted for paid signatures.

Forgot ancient lurkers back from the grave on occasion when things may be fun to observe
Hopping in and out like a time machine dorito.
Or you know to update their mental snapshot ... cause things be changing over the years

Oh, now I get where I saw the BCT tag I struggled to mention in my other post yesterday.

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OP, your question on if there are users who post without getting paid – Yes, there are users like that. JJG strikes me as the top on that list and that user doesn't just write, they write a wall of text. I don't know where they get their energy from. Franky is another user, yes? Anyway, I think those who do that are able to do that because they're early adopters and are loaded with Bitcoin. It costs data to be online and if one isn't earning from their activities online, how will one be able to fund the data? This is one of the major reasons users appear to post less when they aren't in campaigns. That's my observation.

I’m guessing not that much at this point, and mostly due to practicality. i mean, if you could get paid doing what you initially do so for free and for principle, imagine how different it would be for you.

Although I’m guessing we still got a couple BCT elitists here and  there who wish to keep the forum free from advertisers despite the fact that these drove them to have so much traffic and impressions on the internet even during bear seasons. But I guess that can’t be helped yeah? And yes shitposters, yadda yadda, we heard of em already, but the thing is, the whole forum’s been stern about these shitposters already, and so were the campaign managers who facilitate these signature campaigns. So rest easy and trust that even with the paid system up and running, the amount of shitposters in this forum’s bound to go down as time goes by.

Not everyone wears a signature. It’s a personal decision. The way I see it, if I can learn from the forum, contribute  my quota and earn satoshis along the way, then it’s all positives for me.

You’re right. It’s a matter of perspective. The gambling board is one of the most active boards on the forum, one reason being that many signature campaigns are sponsored by gambling casinos. It also makes sense to see a lot of activity there because of how popular sport is. I’m a football fan and enjoy the banter in football threads. Some campaign participants take advantage of the traffic in the gambling board to post generic comments in order to complete their post quota. And unlike other boards, these shitposts go unnoticed and are buried in the threads.

There are thousands of people who don't get paid for being active here and I can say they post on a regular basis without them being paid for the task and whatever they are doing here. I know you might have this feelings that anyone that is posting is just doing that for the sakes of being paid for whatever post they made but believe me, they are posting neutrally without any feelings being linked or attached here.

Why is bitcoin not called BC?

There is no official short form for Bitcointalk. It can be called BTT.

There is a thread opened about it and this is what I posted there if I should not repeat myself:



It can be called BTT as many people refer to it as BTT.

We've got alot of quality posters in here that don't even care about whatever they'd earn; it ain't compulsory that anyone joins a signature CAMPAIGN... Like it's been said severally, it's just an added advantage and a sort of leverage to quality posters..

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phillipma never joined a campaign until now - Jay and mining buddy ain't in any campaigns yet, they're actually very active on the WO thread; I also got to realize that signatures have created an awareness that could surpass the main purpose of BTT itself..
Edit: what the heck is BCT?

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

Thought was the only one that felt the need to call it as it is...BCT  

And in case anybody is doubting this correction, the trick is in the syllables which justifies the shorthand for BitCointalk as it has three syllables in total, thanks for pointing this out again .

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Coming back to the topic, I actually see several users that do this, for example some notable names that can easily monetize their presence on the forum :

• Powerglove
• franky1
• Several mods/admins
• ibminer

And my observation is that such users are usually found in the Mining, Development & Technical Discussion board and Serious discussion board  

You are here before me, and as a matter of fact, a Staff member, so you should know better than me. Except for the "Don't spread nonsense" remark that looks too harsh if I must say, as if we were totally wrong.

After all, I am still barely a year and some months here and the only abbreviation I knew was BTT which all the respectable members here are using. So, I can't possibly be crucified for this as I am also right. The link you posted dates back to 2019, and is so unpopular if I must say, how am I supposed to know that? I can't know everything. When I see someone writing something odd, it's my right as a member of the forum to put it straight, which I happily did.

And about the abbreviation, well, there is no perfect way to abbreviate, not with tones, syllables and all that. Even before I saw the BTCT as an option on the link you posted, I'd seen it as the perfect abbreviation for the forum, not even the BCT. No rule states it must be a 3-letter.

Also, you followed the pattern that wasn't used in the creation of BTC itself in what made you prefer BCT as the letter T was never silenced in coining out BTC from Bitcoin. I see no reason why anyone should be silent about it in the Bitcoin forum as well.

For this, I prefer and will be using BTCT, maybe BTCt henceforth, anyone can use what they like as it's not official.

Thanks!

I believe we learn everyday this post has also given me a new idea of pronouncing Bitcointalk, usually I do understand it as btt instead of BCT.
For long this hasn't come to my thinking on where the hell BTT is being derived from just as you already said, we often learn the right thing at the wrong time through correction that is why it's good to actually involved oneself in a deep discussion with some staff members to unveil things we don't know or things we seems to take as normal while they are abnormal.

Thank you!

While your reason is clear for using the BCT abbreviation instead of BTT, I am use to seeing BTT than BCT in the forum. I am more conversant with BTT or BT than BCT. When I was reading the OP’s post, for a while I thought he wanted to say BTC and mistakenly wrote BCT. BCT will be confusing to use in the forum since its abbreviation is almost the same as BTC. BTT or BT should be the best to use in abbreviation of the forum, it will be easier to understand what the person is referring to than using BCT.

Newbies often come here because they know they can earn in the forum but its just a small piece of portion once you learn here, The reason why people keep staying here is the knowledge they've gained throughout the months or years that can contribute to the things they are currently doing if every post here have a payment for sure swarm of newcomers here and keep posting until they quota reach but the quality of the content they are giving does not have a value at all. Keep learning and enjoy the knowledge.

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I joined a couple of signature campaigns (one at a time until they drew to a close) until nearly two years ago I left the campaign at a time I couldn't guarantee making the required post count each week.

Just because someone does (or does not) participate in a campaign says nothing about the quality of their posts - the same goes with the centralisation of merits with little or no trickle down effect (another of theymos' well intentioned abject failures).

The number of posts will drop-off only if the users who are on this forum are there to get paid for their posting and they mainly want such payment from mixer based campaigns. Now that mixers are going to get banned on this forum that doesn't mean that the forum won't have signature campaigns but instead of applying mixer signatures the users will be applying signatures of casinos and other sites like exchanges etc that are still allowed to promote their services on this forum.

I'm quite sure that we may see new type of sites promoting their services on this forum after the ban on mixer related signature campaigns. I believe it's a golden chance time for casinos as they can promote their services easily now because the members who are applying the signatures of mixers will have the signature space available and they would love to join any campaign that allows them to earn some amount for their contribution.

A good test of the paid posters question will be when the mixers advertising ban goes into effect. Will we see a massive dropoff in posts per day here or will it not be noticeable. I would imagine given the number of mixers offering signature campaigns that the number of posts per day would be somewhat noticeably effected.

Not going to repeat what was already said. Just want to add that nothing strange that you don't see many old users without paid signatures who are still active. That's normal thing. Go to any random forum, find posts made 10-15 years ago and you'll see that most users who wrote it aren't active anymore.

That really makes sense, never thought about it. It's getting a bit off-topic, but I never use all these BTT, BCT and etc. Bitcointalk simply isn't such long word that can't be written in full. All this shortening of words reminds me times about 20 years ago when people used brick phones like Nokia and avoided writting full words in SMS. IIRC, then SMS were charged by nymber of symbols used, so, people tried to make it as short as possible.

It is true that signature campaigns are considered one of the biggest incentives for more posts and thus the spread of spam everywhere in the forum, but this does not mean that all users wear a paid signature or that all those who wear signatures within advertising campaigns spread spam.
Perhaps you are a frequenter of the gambling section or the altcoin discussion section, where spam abounds and it is difficult to find valuable posts. However, these sections also contain good contributions.
I suggest that you visit the technical sections, and I am sure that you will be surprised at the number of good posts published by members who do not wear any signature, or who wear signatures that are not paid, that is, not within a signature campaign or a bounty campaign.
The forum remains, first and foremost, a public space for publication and free discussions, and for this reason, the best that is published in the field of crypto and blockchain in general is on the forum, whether before or after the emergence of signature campaigns.

Yep, I agree sats is quite low in value till this day and it doesn't make sense to do anything for just 1000 sats or 2000 sats because most of the signature campaigns on this forum pay at least $2 per post and there are few campaigns that pay as much as $4 to $6 per post. Recently we have a campaign that pays around $10 per post. I believe if the users can get some money for their contribution then it's a good thing. I believe that the signature campaigns are doing great on this forum and surely they have helped a lot of users to improve their posts by a huge margin.

1,000 sats is around $0.30 right now.   Some of these signature campaigns pay dollars per post. 

Because it does not make sense, almost the whole world places the currency symbol after the number, exceptions would be Arabic and Hebrew since they are right to left, if it made any sense, you would not have needed to convince any one.

OP i have posted for too long without wearing anything (ok, maybe not during winter) but ya for real, without getting paid, and I will do so again anytime, in fact, I hardly hit my max quota, probably not even half of it, but I just love being around here.

I love talking about crypto in general and mainly BTC, in real life there are not many people who understand Bitcoin, most people around me don't know what it is, many who do think it is an online scam coin created by the state to steal people's money before shutting the Bitcoin website to run away with all the money.

Heck, I can't talk Bitcoin even with my wife, so this place is the only place I can express my awful love for bitcoin, what other place would you be able freely talk about crypto with people who actually share the same ambition?  And if you get some sats for doing something you love doing anyway, why not?

Anyway, many people probably post for the sole purpose of money, mixers are done with this year, so the majority of $$ for campaigns will be gone, sure thing many people will stop posting next year.

I've also used BCT in my posts.  Some people claim they make others sick by saying they are nauseous instead of nauseated.    Words often take on new meanings over time, like literally. 

this is pretty funny

like some members here talk about people who dont do sigs and just post things for absolutely no reason at all except for fun as rarities and speak of them almost in hushed whispers.

like wtf. we do exist lol

A theory I have is that there were less users on the forum then making it easier to moderate. Spammers were on the forum then but their spam will quickly get deleted.
Also, you looking in from the future will meet the posts that last the test of time first which are expected to be quality conversations.

Not many. One I come across now and again is gmaxwell
He coincidentally also kicks Vod off.
gmaxwell id is 11425.

To be fair it is pronounced "5 dollars" and not "dollar 5" 

- Jay -

The forum's Twitter account is https://twitter.com/bitcointalk

The description is BitcoinTalk and I am fine with both BT or BCT but I would prefer to use BCT.

BTT is weird and inaccurate to use because it does not match with the full name of forum, Bitcointalk that I even more prefer to use than BCT or BT. I have no issue to write a full name of forum, Bitcointalk and see no reason to use its abbreviation like BCT or BT.

Now, now.  There's no official abbreviation for the forum's name, and I've always used BCT whenever I was too lazy to write the whole thing out.  To each his own, no?  I'm still trying to convince people to put the US dollar sign before the amount, not after (like $5 as opposed to 5$) but it's a losing battle.

The whole reason why there are so many members (and very active ones at that) is precisely because sig campaigns and bounties exist.  If they were banned right now, I'm sure there would be a mass exodus and there wouldn't be nearly as much "discussion" going on.  Bitcointalk would still probably be more active than any altcoin forum, but compared to how it's been since the first sig campaign it'd look like a ghost town.

Also, OP made an excellent suggestion about reading very old threads.  Some of the ones from 2009-2011 are fantastic, and I'm sure there's a lot of good stuff from the pre-sig campaign era for anyone who wants to learn a bit of bitcoin history.

I think that there are few kinds of people that post here:
- Newbies who are genuinely interested in Bitcoin and looking to participate in the forum, either to have their questions answered in the short term or because they are passionate about the movement and want to take part in discussion
- Paid posters who make a living from the hand that feeds them. Unfortunately, there are a lot of them. Just look at the gambling board for obvious examples. There are a lot of shills getting paid to promote the advertiser that also exists in their signature.
- Members who are paid to post, but are here because they love Bitcoin, and enjoy the incentive they get to post and stay involvrd..
- Account farmers who are exploiting the paid posting mechanism.
- Long term holders who are passionate about Bitcoin. Those who are enjoying the experience, and are free enough to spend time here thanks to Bitcoin.

Unfortunately some of these categories do not deserve to be here. Unfortunately there is no way to catch some of them. In any case, why people are here is not the matter, Bitcoin enabled them to be here and that in itself is a beautiful thing, for better and for worse.

Weird question. If you are offered to be on the forum and communicate, and in addition, they give you the privilege of giving you some bonuses for participating here, will you refuse? Just because people aren't involved in subscription companies doesn't mean they're more passionate about Bitcoin than everyone else. The forum welcomes freedom. To participate in the subscription, you need to be on the forum regularly, but some people, like you, OP, may not be here very often.
But what's wrong with those who wear a signature? Are you ready to mark everyone as profit-seekers and nothing more? I doubt that if you see a hundred-dollar bill on the road, you will step over it and move on.
I think you understand what I'm writing about.

Thanks for this... I have always called it BTT all my days here. From the analogy you discussed, BCT best fits. But then if we try to follow the right acronym of bitcoin which is BTC, it will be nice to say BTC best fits but just that it will not be smooth in pronouncing. Howbeit, we do not use audio in the forum.
I visited the reference thread you dropped and discovered that BCT was just slightly above BTCT in the pool.

Sorry for going off topic, but there are things I just can't let go .
No, no, no fucking no. Don't spread nonsense. There's no logic saying BTT.

Let's break down bitcointalk :
Bitcoin Talk
Bit Coin Talk
You can't write Bi Tcoin Talk ?? What does Tcoin mean ?

Do you say MS or MO for Microsoft ?
Do you say VW or VK for Volkswagen ?

And it's already been discussed in the past, the result is indisputable : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/poll-btt-bct-btct-5121806

Apart from WO thread where I do not visit frequently, though I noticed some people posting without signature there.
There are other notable people who I noticed during my early days in the forum. I called them the Unsung heroes . In that thread I identified

• Franky1
• DannyHamilton  
• Jay Juangee

It is recently that Philipma1957 started wearing signature.

First, let me correct you, it's either you call it Bitcointalk or BTT, not BCT.

Regarding your question, yes, there are many of them. Just like in many activities of life, people will do things for different reasons. Some are here to learn, some are here to learn and earn, some are here to learn and impart knowledge, while others are here to learn, earn and impact knowledge.

For you to get this distinction among users easily, anyone you see the signature embedded beneath their posts is making money through the forum, and anyone without such signatures is not earning anything at all. For the latter, some situations are also temporary for the fact that they might either not be interested in a campaign yet or they are still searching for one.

There are so many members who post regularly on the forum and they don't get paid for their posting. The ones who are in signature campaigns try their best to make very high-quality posts because they are getting paid for their posting and in a way their posts allow other to see their signature space. The signature campaigns have been on the forum for many years and so far both the members and the ones who run their signature campaigns both have been getting good results.

The ones who aren't in signature campaigns also make good and informative posts. There are many good members in WO thread who doesn't apply any signature on their profile but they make awesome posts. philipma1957 used to be one of those members. He's now applying a signature on his profile but I have seen him doing so many posts without having any signature on his profile.

If I'm not wrong then Phil got into signature campaigns because he wanted to help out Talkimg.com an image hosting site created and hosted by a reputed member of the forum for the members of the forum who were facing issues due to imgur image proxy error. There are some members like JayJuanJee, JetCash, El duderino_, BitcoinBunny, Biodom, OutOfMemory, AlcoHoDL, vapourminer, JimboToronto, Hueristic, and many other good posters who don't apply any signature on their profiles but they make outstanding posts.

I agree in general with the previous answers but I would like to point out that we all know what would happen if for example signature campaigns were banned in the forum, and that is that the traffic would decrease enormously. The WO people would continue as they are now, the other members mentioned who do not wear a paid signature and are not regular WO members would continue as they are now, a small percentage of those who wear a paid signature now would continue to post on the forum, although less, and most of the traffic would go elsewhere.

Just look at what happened to some members of the old CM campaign as soon as they stopped wearing a signature or went from being in a signature campaign that paid for a maximum of 50 posts to one that paid for a maximum of 25 posts per week.

And I'm not criticizing it, eh? It is largely a logical consequence.

The WO's are a case apart because most of them are loaded with Bitcoin, and I would say that most of the other cases cited as well.

I am king of the hill!

I hereby challenge anyone with a lower member id than me who does not wear a paid signature to kick me off!

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As mentioned above, the technical discussion still exists and is centered around the technical discussion board. There is a reason why some signature campaigns ban sub-boards to begin with, likely due to spam. You should at least read a decent post nowadays unless it comes from a bounty hunter.

You can also lurk around the Serious discussion board if you don't want to see spammers, since any post posted there doesn't count toward the post count at all.

You are not only member in Bitcointalk who are still actively in forum, make posts without paid signature.

JayJuanGee
odolvlobo
DannyHamilton

Signatures are disabled in Wall Observer thread but you are right, many posters in Wall Observer thread don't wear any paid signature.

op how many of my 43000 posts were done without a paid signature well over 25000 of them. more than 7 years without a signature. and less than 4 with one.

what you don’t realize is you can look at campaigns and see how long someonehas been been doing a campaign sig.

Do you think only signature participants are willing to post here? Bitcoin is a forum where anyone can post, share their ideas and complain, people are active posting even without the paid campaign way back before. So it's not new, getting paid when posting is just like incentives. You can see them mostly in technical boards where skills and experience  are shared.

Sounds good, thanks everyone for the quick responses. Many of the threads from ~2010, when BTC had literally - or close to - zero usd value are challenging for me technically, but I love it anyway, great stuff.

OP, the forum is not just about posting to get paid; there are still a lot of users making good posts and engaging in healthy discussion without getting paid. JayJuanGee and franky1 are the two users I can mention for now, but if you head on the WO thread that _act_ has mentioned, then you will find the rest of them that are active there but not putting on signature code, therefore not getting paid for making posts.

There will always be - yes, there will be. Signature and spam are related - but spam would also exist without signature. Some famous users who do not use paid signatures are gmaxwell, qwk, Vod, vapourminer, Foxpup and many others - so they will always be there although I don't need to mention them to you one by one.

I guess they all have their own ways of making money - so signature campaigns aren't the only way to get it. I guess many of them are traders, miners and investors - so it's natural that they're not interested in a signature campaign.

Why not?

Perhaps you are watching the wrong boards? Like gambling discussion?
I would say a post is real if they were not wearing a paid signature, and unreal if otherwise. Also know lots of members who wear signatures are their contributions are "real" and those who don't and they are just a nuisance. So it all depends on how you look at it and which boards you are always viewing.

Yes, there are active members who don't get paid for posting, yet they are very active in this Forum. Someone like Vapourminer, JayJuanGee, and many others, who are mostly just active on the wall, observers can see, how active they are there, even when there is no signature displayed there.
 
But are quality posts being graded by you based on the amount that the Poster is being paid? There is no doubt that the pay is what increases the post-quality of many, but also don't forget that when you don't have anything to produce, even if you are being paid a higher amount, nothing can still come out of it.
 
There are people, who are just active on the forum and contributing the way that they can and not minding the payment, and their are still those, who get paid and still giving their best to the Community. Every person has different goals.

I would say that both paid and unpaid people.make good contributions here.

There are very knowledged people here who are checking the technical boards many times a day,  ready to answer questions about bitcoin and to produce good content. Most of them are people who are renting their signature space.

In 2024 there will probably be less signature campaigns,  but I believe most of the best contributors of the forum will stay here. I will.

This supposed to be on reputation board.

It is called Bitcointalk (BTT), not BCT.

You can go to BTC/USD wall observer to know some people that are still posting but not wearing signature or being paid.

Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion

There also still some people like franky1, Jet Cash and some other members that are posting but not wearing any signature.

Hello, I have spent many hours studying the old threads at your wonderful forum, and I suggest to anyone they do the same. The amount of challenging, high-quality topics combined with no spam or sigs is a refreshing retro experience for me. As we quickly head into 2024, do you think there many real (unpaid) people still posting here at BCT? Have a great day.