Topic: Any Lottery players here? Pick 2, Cash 3, Cash 4, Pick 5 numbers in particular. (Read 407 times)

The truth is that even if you take the time to make an analysis like that there is no way to be sure you will find something, this is similar to what some gamblers do when trying to analyze the roulette.

They keep track of the numbers and they try to find out if there is any bias on the roulette, however if the roulette is in good shape even if you take the time to crunch the numbers you could find nothing except that the roulette is working as intended, making all your effort a waste of time.

Lottery could be a pure luck-based gambling game because there are people who bought only one ticket but still got lucky while there were also bettors who have bet using multiple tickets and still got unlucky. Others are betting with randomly chosen number combinations while others have been betting with the same number combination for a long time. It could be the birthdates of their family members or a date of special occasions. The result usually depends on a person's luck.

Luck would be the only factor for a player to win in lotteries. Some would say to check on history such as number combinations and such but bottomline is that there's no such thing as a way to expectedly win on lottery betting. Algorithms do play a huge role. Buying multiple tickets would indeed logically increase the chances of winning but if you are just unlucky, then the other way around may still happen. On the other hand, there are individuals who bet in  solo manner but are just lucky enough to hit the jacpot. Pure luck based gambling games are indeed something. So if you are into it, expect more of a losing transction than anticipating guranteed victory.

Just use sports analogy, when you bet on favorite team where the odds is only @1.10, in order to earn $500, you need to bet $5,000. But if you bet on the underdog team where the odds is @10.00, you only need to bet $500, you will get $5,000 if you win.

So it's mean it's either you spend more money in order to win the lottery or you only spend small money and wish your ticket will be picked during the end of lottery draw.

Here in the Philippines, there's a lottery supported by the government which is the PCSO and this has a large amount of price pool like the others every day in the different lottery stations tons of people keep a waiting in line just to get their tickets and hoping to win a large amount of money, in terms of gambling casino I guess I didn't see so far have this instead its always happen when there's an event like before the Christmas there's a ticket for the players need to do before the Christmas ends and those have rewards and only people who follow the requirements will be part of the rewards.

Maybe if you've been following the lottery from a certain casino and have made or found a pattern, you can know what will come out. But it takes time to analyze the pattern until you find a pattern that will come out after the current pattern. And maybe some people who can or know about drawing up patterns can win the lottery but for most people, I think it will be very difficult.

In the past, one of my grandfather's younger siblings used to analyze the lottery numbers that had come out of the casino and try to figure out the pattern. But he still couldn't find it; strangely enough, when he just made a random guess about the numbers that would come out, the numbers actually came out. But unfortunately, he didn't buy the numbers and instead gave them to someone else and that other person won. But he got the money as thanks for giving the numbers.

I agree with the use of the word IF because you can still do these two things but you still cannot win a lottery or you can buy one ticket and there's a possibility that you can win, there were and will be countless of winners that only bought or will buy one ticket and won and win a lottery, I don't believe in mathematical calculation or divination it's been proven that these two has no effect on the result.

This requires the creation of a large community united by a common idea, who will not leave after several failures and who are willing to spend money to buy lottery tickets, for example, all this requires the cost of attracting, but quite often it can also turn out to be a scam on the part of the organizers of the pursuit of winnings.

it's hard to win the lottery because it's true that there is no other way but to buy lots of lottery tickets to win, but actually this is also due to the luck factor, the same as when playing gambling using lots of strategies but luck will find the winner.

we can see that some times the winners are being divided for couple of people meaning you are right that the combination of numbers are the same with each others and this increase the way of the Lottery to earn more than what the wins can provided so meaning also that there is no always winner here but the team behind the game.

In fact, there are many ways or formulas for predicting lottery numbers, and if they can be made correctly and correctly, then the percentage of matching numbers that comes out is 70-80%, so there is a big chance of winning the lottery.
There are several lottery players that I know and they have their own formula for getting numbers and the results often win even though only 2/3 of the output numbers can be absolutely correct.
If you ask why mathematicians and computer scientists don't band together to get a prize all the time then the answer is they can benefit quite a lot from their skills and they must already have enough wealth so why should they bet on the lottery.

There is in theory a way to improve your chances to win but it is too troublesome for most people to follow, most lotteries use a machine which uses air to add randomness to the process and make it fair for the participants of the lottery.

If we assume the same machine is used for long enough and you gather all the results the machine has given, it is possible you could find numbers which appear more often than they should, you could pick those numbers and increase your chances of winning, but this method is simply too laborious and I do not expect most people to pull this off.

If they won the lottery, it had nothing to do with the 'system' used. Like if I go to the casino saying I have a system to win at roulette, I bet on a single number and I win. All lotteries give out considerably less in prizes than they collect, maybe 30-40%, sometimes less. Which means that if you used the great system of buying all the numbers to win you would be left with at least 30% less than the money used, depending on the lottery.

All the rest is just mental wankery.

If I remember it right , there is a thread here about some bunch of people tries to win against lottery and yes some of them succeeded after calculation and studies and of course with bit capital to use.
i understand the frustration to win lottery but for me ? it is better to stay that way of Luck based gambling , just bet with one ticket and limited amount trying to find your luck and not to carry your entire living from the chance of winning.

Basically, you can win in a lottery draw if:

a) you're extremely lucky
b) you buy a boatload of tickets

I'm not a math guy really, but I guess you can find all the necessary calculations online. You need to buy A LOT of tickets, only then you have a decent chance of winning.

I think it would be rare if the same numbers are being drawn from the machine every day (if the lottery is daily). So what I think is better is to avoid those numbers. Some people though might include those numbers in their picks since these number is hot from the following days. But for me, every time it is drawn, it'll have a lower chance to be included in the winning numbers on the next day. Regardless, since it is random, that still does not make sense when it comes to statistics.

I don't believe in any pattern in the lottery which can guarantee your winning, as the winning is always uncertain.
We can't predict any specific design or theory called authentic and genuine.

You're in for a treat if you think lottery numbers can be predicted and follow certain patterns and use historical data to produce future draws. There were a number of studies trying to use Mathematics in order to predict future draws—or at least get close to what the actual numbers are. Most of them, in paper and in theory, seem sound and would have likely worked. However, when they're applied in the real world they're not even close to what the actual numbers are. Sure, computers can try and exhaust all the possible numbers that are most probable to appear in the draws, but the number of these combinations would surely be high still, and if you want to hit one big win you will have to invest in a number of combinations and of course, some substantial amount of $$$ without any guarantee that those numbers presented to you will hit.

Perhaps if you're one of those people behind the scenes during a lottery draw, you would know the outcomes. Results can be rigged, and it's as easy changing some balls with lighter ones and tada! You just have won a few million dollars thanks to cheating and your access to those magic balls of destiny.


True, no matter how exhaustive your analysis is, and no matter how much processing power you have put in to come up with a pattern, or even with a system of predicting future draws, you will always lose your money to the lottery no matter what.

If lottery is that easy to crack, and if there is a system to it, then why aren't mathematicians and computer scientists band together and get the prize every single time?

Not just on lottery but also on other luck based games like for example in dice. There are some who thinks that the previous result has to do with the future result. They can also invent different strategies. There are times where co-incident happens and they win.

This can fuel their beliefs and think that what they did is really working. Well if they play the game this way, I think it's fine and we shouldn't correct them because these people can only hate us. A belief is only wrong once there are people who already got hurt or if the believer is the one who is hurting himself/herself. If that is the case then they should be stopped in a forced manner.

i keep saying i am in agreement with you with the fact that with mega lotteries the odds are too great to make a difference no matter what you do.  i get that.  i am talking about smaller lotteries where you only pick 3 or 4 numbers where the odds are substantially smaller you can increase your odds.  if you have 1 in 999 odds you can do certain things to increase your odds of winning a pick or cash 3 number. i truly believe if you don't play a cash 3 you aren't understanding what i'm talking about and can only relate this to what you know about and that is the mega and powerball lotteries.

To clarify i'm talking about picking numbers like 123 218, 345 for cash 3 and 1234 or 2343 for cash 4.  I'm not talking about guessing a mega number set like 1-2-3-4-5 and then the mega ball.  That is pretty much impossible and can't be predicted any kind of way.   I am being redundant since many don't seem to fully understand what my point was.

Other players study the previous winning numbers and do a comparison of the probability of the number to be chosen next.  Even though we all know that the result of the lottery is random, others believe in a certain pattern in how the number is selected.  But I still believe as long as the result is not rigged, no one can precisely predict the outcome of the lottery because there is a 1 in 13,983,816 chance to hit the right combination no matter how much they research on the next winning number.  Any resemblance to other results is possibly a coincidence.

The main thing is that each time the result is “independent”, there is no memory. Therefore there is no “justice”, past results has no impact on the future one.
You may do statistical analysis, you may believe in “systems”, you may prefer odd or even numbers - all that is just a looking for a patterns where there are no patterns.
Yes, it is interesting to see how many times number 7 was selected in the last 10 years, but it has nothing to do with the predictions.

Somewhat agree if the 3/4/5 number system works like it does where I come from (it is based off horse racing results earlier on the same day).

I'm not 100% sure it works exactly the same way, but the numbers drawn are somehow tied to the numbers of the horses that win the day's races. So let's say Horses 2,3 and 7 win top 3 on the main race, then 2,3 and 7 are the pool drawn from for 1st prize.

The window to buy the numbers are closed before the races start but you can already more or less base your picks on horse odds, perhaps in a small window of 5 minutes?

So, not patterns, but "research".

I guess one thing or should I call it mistake some gamblers make is thinking or seeing luck and chance as the same thing.
Luck and chance are to different things.
A gambler can luckily win a bet, or lottery after doing some number calculations or studying, that by luck, he won that lottery does not mean his chances of winning that lottery increased an inch for studying the numbers.

This is what the op does not understand, studying numbers does not move your chances of winning the lottery an inch, it all still depends on how luck chooses to shine on the player.

I am curious why exactly you think this would improve your chances of winning the lottery. all these studies can do is give you the most common numbers that show up on the lottery results, and even if you chose the most common numbers that show up on the winning lottery tickets your chance of winning will still be the same.

Others may have not believed the result but we can't deny the fact that a big number of people could have the same number combination out of nowhere. Filipinos have different mantras and beliefs when it comes to lottery number combinations. Some of them base it on the current events and birthdays of the family members. Some combinations are funny and weird but they keep on using the same numbers with the same hope of winning.

This event occurred because the winning number has pattern which is the common denominator for all the winners. I’m sure those who claim that they dreamed it saw this number combination before that’s why there brain remind them about this combination through the dream.

Using statistics to create a pattern is really useless not just because the result is really pure random and also he/she can experience a tremendous waste of win like what happened on the 400 winners of the lotto that you mention. Betting on numbers with pattern will surely gonna have same winner since many people is thinking like this.

It's funny to see this very statement of yours, because if really there was any way to study historical data, patterns and certain numbers win a lottery thrown at random, then mathematicians or statistician would have been the most richest people in the world today, or the set with the most lottery winning history, and not ordinary people just like you and I. Because on this very motion, I strongly stand behind what those people on the NBA forum said that in lottery, there is no formula to improving your chances of winning, than buying more lottery ticket over and over again, because apart from that. No other way.

Do you have data that can validate your belief, if you cannot back it up with proven data don't recommend but if you want to prove it yourself, then do make a study out of it, but I assure you there's no proven data that can prove that you can accurately predict the winning numbers, you could be wasting your time, but proceed at your own will, maybe you will discover along the way, if the drawing is fair and beyond reasonable doubts, everything is random and all numbers gave an equal chance of getting drawn, here in our country all balls that with numbers on it for the drawing are weighted and there are observant to see everything is done fair.

But getting the numbers that are predicted to come out is not easy because maybe there will be other calculations needed and I don't think gamblers who understand that will not tell other people about it. They will only give some numbers that are likely to come out but do not tell how they can get the numbers. But most people will collect the numbers from the previous lottery and recalculate or make a list of the numbers that are predicted to come out. But I didn't do much math on the numbers and just made a random guess. After all, I was just having fun buying some tickets and waiting for it

Well, I have experiencial knowledge of what you are discussing about, over here in my country, we have alot of them who carry big newspapers-like sheets of paper and call themselves forecasters.

This sheets of paper usually contain a very long list of lottery winning numbers usually going as far back as 5 years ago to current date, they believe looking and studying this numbers could help them forecast which numbers are likely to emerge as the winning numbers in today's lottery 😁.

Though the way this people go about this things make it look serious and real, but personally, I've never believed in such, I've never believed that studying previous winning numbers in the lottery could help one predict or stand a better chance at winning the lottery of today, except the lottery is rigged.

I've read a trivia about a Math that has beat the system of lottery and won not just once but IIRC that's for multiple times. I'm not sure if it was her, Joan R. Ginther and according to wikipedia she has won the lottery on four occassions.

And based also on this page.

In my country, there are lots of lottery gambling enthusiasts, but on average they bet the lottery directly at a place or house, and only a few bet on online sites.
They are lottery enthusiasts who have a special way or trick to be able to get this lucky number.
Some use day calculations and some even calculate it using a certain formula in which there are numbers that have been issued a few days ago.
However, I was amazed by the calculations or formula, almost every bet they could guess the numbers that actually came out that day.

I have created one topic about this and I tried to find and list all gambling websites with Bitcoin Lottery  games, but task was not easy and list is not very big.
There is a problem that some less known websites can always cheat and make fake results, and there is no way to prove lottery numbers are random and fair.
You can visit my topic and if you want you can suggest any new gambling websites that you know have lottery games: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5278167

Thank you for verifying what I was trying to say when you have smaller lotteries where there are lower odds you can use historical data to help you guess what the number potentially may be. The research isn't 100% but does increase your chances if you know what the patterns are of course they are random but with smaller games with lower odds it can be done.

Everyone so far is getting caught up on the mega lotteries and the impossibility of winning them.  This is already known and not disputed.  It appears you are someone that actually plays the smaller lotteries and you understand.  There have been responses from some who do not play smaller lotteries so of course they wouldn't understand.

i agree that is why i don't invest money in mega jackpots.  i buy 1 ticket since that is the only way to increase your odds by having a chance as compared to no chance.

i was talking about smaller cash 3 and cash 4 lotteries where the odds are lower you can do things to increase your odds.  especially if odds are 1 in 999 for a cash 3 draw.  for mega jackpots you have a better chance of finding your car keys in a dark room in a hidden box among 2 millions boxes and picking it with 1 guess.  it is virtually impossible which is why i don't invest in mega jackpots.

If we talk about "lucky numbers" or numbers that come "while dreaming", then we are not talking about statistics, mathematics or science anymore, don't you think?
Do not misunderstand me, I believe there have been some crazy coincidences and things that could only be explained with non-scientific approaches at first glance. But I believe OP did not mean to talk about supernatural ways to win money.

My theory is that if you present a lot of numbers in front of a group of people, most of them will choose numbers that have some meaning for them: their birthday, the year they got married, the date of the birth of their child, etc. It is just matter of time before people who claimed to have won that way appears.

There is an Simpson episode about it, btw. When Carl flees with the money to Greenland.

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I am inclined to believe in the laws of probabilities, do you have any idea how many people participate in that specific lottery or how many tickets are sold?
That data, together with the number of balls and digits should be enough for you to calculate of chances of someone winning each week.

thanks for your answers but i was talking more in line with cash 2, cash 3, cash 4, cash 5 numbers where the odds are much more obtainable than a mega jackpot lottery where you have a better chance of winning.

my initial inquiry in the subject was asking for info on tips, theories on how to win these types of lotteries where you have a much better increased chance of odds.  The best odds you have with a mega jackpot comes from going from buying 1 ticket as compared to not having any tickets at all bought which is what I do for these types of mega lotteries and i rarely play them.

however i win regularly on cash 4 numbers based on past historical data and just plain luck.   i'm really not that interested in this thread in mega lotteries since i am also of the opinion buying more than 1 mega lottery ticket is a waste of time and money.

People will think it's rigged is fine if it happens once but twice or thrice or many times they should stop the lottery because it's rigged if you checked Youtube there are many tutorials of their hidden secrets on how to win a jackpot in a lottery but these videos are created to generate interest and increase their views.

So far I have never read one winner telling people that he won the jackpot because of the tutorial on Youtube or from a book he purchases on how to win a lottery, these are bogus and the management of the lotteries are here to make sure that the lotteries cannot be manipulated because the lottery system runs on the trust of the betting public.

We use the same technology for our weekly state lottery here where I live,the first price ranges from 10.000 dollars up to 150.000 dollars depending on the number of tickets that are sold.It is a difficult lottery in my opinion 15 out of 90 balls needed to find correctly to win the first prize,I am astonished at every week there is someone who wins it and there is no week without winners.

It is easy to say that the numbers you choose does not mean anything here,it is pure random luck that is needed in colossal doses in order to win,I don't think choosing these numbers will bring you bad or good luck,nothing to do with it and I doubt there is rigging here.

I have played Thai lotto game... where you need to guess 3 numbers.

It is challenging to guess which 3 numbers will be there in the upcoming draw. But still, it is possible, you can guess by looking at papers and historical data which numbers these could be.

I have probably played this game more than 10 times. 2 of which I guessed correctly.
I still remember these numbers which I guessed correctly. Once 852 cross hit. One was 286 straight hit.

Indeed, there is no pattern in a lottery with random numbers falling out, if the main condition is met, it is the honesty of the organizers, and here you can increase your chances in one single way only by buying as many tickets as possible to overlap a larger range of combinations of numbers.

Let's take the case of the philippine controversial numbers that come out in a lottery where there were over 400 winners
Share of the top prize with the winning numbers 9, 18, 27, 36, 45, and 54 – all multiples of nine, majorities of them are interviewed and they all said that numbers all multiples by nines did not come from statistical analysis some say they dreamed it, some said were taking care of numbers ever since because it's their lucky numbers and some say it's random they just found out that all numbers are multiples of nine after they check their ticker before or after they won.
You can hardly find lottery winners that accurately predicted the numbers that will come out, the majority are random, or its their lucky numbers.


Source:
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/06/asia/philippines-grand-lotto-jackpot-probe-intl-hnk/index.html

I agree with you both yes each draw there is the same number of chances for any combination of numbers to come out since they are random.  I just think it's fascinating that some number combinations will fall with the exact number on the same date 1 year later on the same day.  Also there have been cases of numbers falling to match the same date of the draw. 

I prefer draws that have balls to me that is truly random.  When I watch a program and they show computer generated numbers to me it just leaves too much to be disputed that nothing is amiss even though there are auditors, compliance etc.

I understand it is luck but I have won my fair share of numbers from dreams of numbers that appeared the same day after the dream so even though the numbers are random sometimes there are some things in life that just can't be scientifically explained away.

I agree with Hispo, all numbers have the same chance of appearing, and if they don't, the lottery is rigged. In the case of physical lotteries, which are drawn with balls, it might not so much be due to an intention to cheat as to an imperfection, but if a lottery system is well done, both online and physical, the appearance of the numbers is perfectly random and no matter what analysis you do, it doesn't matter.

Some people confuse things like, for example, in a five-number lottery, the numbers in a row are not usually wanted by people because they think they are less likely to appear, like 00000, 11111, 22222 and so on. But in reality they have the same probability of appearing as any other, but people fallaciously confuse that there are fewer combinations of repeating sets of 5 numbers than non-repeating ones.

The lotteries I have seen my family participate in used to draw the numbers on live using a special machine, that machine used air to randomly move the balls (numbers) around until one got selected.

You can perform any statistical analysis on that (implying you can find the whole history of numbers drawn for an specific lottery), but I believe that won't impact your chances to predict the outcome in any significant way, assuming the numbers are actually random and the lottery is not rigged at all. Too much entropy.

I was in the NBA forum and the subject of lottery numbers came up and I didn't want to hijack that forum and didn't see anything lottery related. The discussion came up that numbers are random and there isn't anyway to improve your chances to win and I disagreed.  I believe you can study historical data, patterns and certain numbers follow and hit after certain numbers come out as winners.   I would love to discuss theory with anyone who understands this and have any theories of their own.