Any real Antminer S7 competitor out there ?

notlist3d

legendary

Activity: 1456

Merit: 1000

Quote from: RichBC on December 04, 2015, 02:48:15 PM

Quote from: MarketNeutral on December 04, 2015, 02:34:47 PM

To answer the title question, yes, but they won't start hashing until sometime in 2016. My own company, as well as several other companies I'm aware of, are currently working on next-gen miners.

Hmm well that's not what I would call answering the question.... Sometime in 2016 is a bit Barn Door like, care to share some more details?

Rich

I agree on more details. A lot of companies say they will come out with something... and never do it. Worst are ones that do it and accept pre-orders.

What makes you so sure in a year you can do this? I mean there is no way you have chips locked in for a year.... we don't even know what the chips will be in a year. So you are kinda hard to believe at this current point.

Altynbekova

sr. member

Activity: 476

Merit: 250

The Avalon 6 for sure. But if you got more budget, go with Spondoolies Tech. Their company has proven to be a excellent asic vendor, regarding trust but even more the stability of their miners.
I got 3 jackson and never had a problem with any of them.

RichBC

hero member

Activity: 588

Merit: 500

Quote from: MarketNeutral on December 04, 2015, 02:34:47 PM

To answer the title question, yes, but they won't start hashing until sometime in 2016. My own company, as well as several other companies I'm aware of, are currently working on next-gen miners.

Hmm well that's not what I would call answering the question.... Sometime in 2016 is a bit Barn Door like, care to share some more details?

Rich

MarketNeutral

sr. member

Activity: 434

Merit: 252

To answer the title question, yes, but they won't start hashing until sometime in 2016. My own company, as well as several other companies I'm aware of, are currently working on next-gen miners.

notlist3d

legendary

Activity: 1456

Merit: 1000

Quote from: QuintLeo on November 30, 2015, 06:13:05 AM

As of 1 December 2015, the only available close competition to the S7 for home miners is the Avalon 6.

The BW.COM (Lketc) B-Eleven should be showing up fairly soon, depending on how they price it might be better competition for the S7.

*IF YOU ARE A BIG BUYER" the Spondoolies SP50 might be actually available by now, with slightly better efficiency but unknown price competativeness.

*IF YOU ARE A MEGA BUYER* you might be able to get even better gear out of BitFury.

At this point, I am in "wait and see" mode, depending on how the B-Eleven ends up pricing out and it's final specs - and hoping for a major price war to ignite once Bitmain gets someone out there making HOME miners that is willing to compete on pricing. Nothing currently available has a realistic chance of RoI at my current electric rates, even if diff increases hadn't started going back into "sky-high" mode with the new miners pushing things right now - and I'm starting to wonder if 3c/KWH electric would be enough to ROI the "current generation" at it's way expen$$$ive pricing.

I think SP50's might be looking for mega buyers at first. I have a feeling the first ones out they want to see quite a few of them before selling. I also don't think we will know much I think once they do hit market most likely NDA's keep most quiet on it.

And you are right on bitfury you need to show up with a case full of money to get them. It can be done though Bit-X bought 1 PH from them. So if you buy enough it's possible they will sell to you.

crazyearner

legendary

Activity: 1820

Merit: 1001

Quote from: notlist3d on November 29, 2015, 11:23:35 PM

Quote from: lama-hunter on November 29, 2015, 11:13:36 PM

I would not use the Antminer s7 out there on Hashnest :/ Ive tried them again and invested half a BTC.
After several Days is simply lost more than i mined over the market price change.

Now iam in in Miningsweden with some VIP packages of the Antminer s7 Wink

I think this is quit nice Wink

regards
lama-hunter

The upside to this is the coins you mine are worth more (assuming value stays, which hopefully it does). But there is up and down side.

This is part of the reason I try to get people to not put all eggs in one basket, unless just totally sure. I at times did go all in on mining equipment. But at a point I started to do both. I like both personally. I keep some in mining gear some in cold wallets... so either way I feel pretty good.

Indeed that is a true saying however if someone needs to pay bills out of it or paying for energy then it is coin spent to cover brake even point and at most cases selling now is a tough one given the fact that coin is going up. Am tempted to get back into the mining game but still I need good cheap energy and good equipment that is not going to eat a chunk of kwh every day. If that factor would work out then id be mining. But I do like the idea behind some of the new tech that is coming out that might be better than s7, but as as as we think bitmain are on hold bam release another miner. So no doubt about it s8 will soon come and maybe a new chip.

QuintLeo

legendary

Activity: 1498

Merit: 1030

As of 1 December 2015, the only available close competition to the S7 for home miners is the Avalon 6.

The BW.COM (Lketc) B-Eleven should be showing up fairly soon, depending on how they price it might be better competition for the S7.

*IF YOU ARE A BIG BUYER" the Spondoolies SP50 might be actually available by now, with slightly better efficiency but unknown price competativeness.

*IF YOU ARE A MEGA BUYER* you might be able to get even better gear out of BitFury.

At this point, I am in "wait and see" mode, depending on how the B-Eleven ends up pricing out and it's final specs - and hoping for a major price war to ignite once Bitmain gets someone out there making HOME miners that is willing to compete on pricing. Nothing currently available has a realistic chance of RoI at my current electric rates, even if diff increases hadn't started going back into "sky-high" mode with the new miners pushing things right now - and I'm starting to wonder if 3c/KWH electric would be enough to ROI the "current generation" at it's way expen$$$ive pricing.

notlist3d

legendary

Activity: 1456

Merit: 1000

Quote from: lama-hunter on November 29, 2015, 11:13:36 PM

I would not use the Antminer s7 out there on Hashnest :/ Ive tried them again and invested half a BTC.
After several Days is simply lost more than i mined over the market price change.

Now iam in in Miningsweden with some VIP packages of the Antminer s7 Wink

I think this is quit nice Wink

regards
lama-hunter

The upside to this is the coins you mine are worth more (assuming value stays, which hopefully it does). But there is up and down side.

This is part of the reason I try to get people to not put all eggs in one basket, unless just totally sure. I at times did go all in on mining equipment. But at a point I started to do both. I like both personally. I keep some in mining gear some in cold wallets... so either way I feel pretty good.

lama-hunter

sr. member

Activity: 266

Merit: 250

I would not use the Antminer s7 out there on Hashnest :/ Ive tried them again and invested half a BTC.
After several Days is simply lost more than i mined over the market price change.

Now iam in in Miningsweden with some VIP packages of the Antminer s7 Wink

I think this is quit nice Wink

regards
lama-hunter

crazyearner

legendary

Activity: 1820

Merit: 1001

Quote from: notlist3d on November 28, 2015, 03:39:31 AM

Quote from: crazyearner on November 27, 2015, 10:35:34 PM

S7 is a good choice but you need to factor in energy cost and how much it is going to cost you to run and then work out Diff increases, value of bitcoin, amount spent on equipment and how long it going to take to brake even and then gain profit. Right now with the massive spikes it is hard to say how long it will take to RIO and even next year with the next half of bitcoin It gonna be really interesting to see who continues to mine and who switches off as am sure more will turn their rigs off and diff will come down people will turn rigs on again. But we are approaching no return and Bitcoin needs to put in place some type of system that allows transactions to be processed without miners as if all turns rigs off or many start sopping it is going to take longer and longer to process transactions and send payments.

I think your getting ahead of ourselfs a bit. I think there will be some big installs of Bitmain and Avalon (chances are some already done). Eventually bitfury will jump in.... possibly sp50 someday, and BW's miner someday to.

I think a awful lot of miners are in commercial settings where BTC will not slow down to much even if a lot of individuals hit power off. I wish I had a percentage of home/hobby miner vs commercial. But likely we will never have that. Just look at difficulty last period and chances are this period more gear is coming online and old gear is staying online longer.

A lot of us were mining profitable at 230.... so after jump it will take a decent amount of big jumps to shut us down. But I could be wrong. I just think slowing down to point it hurts BTC transactions will not happen unless some huge loss on value.

I might be getting ahead but it is true tho. They might be some big installs of equipment so long as or free energy or pay very little, they will keep on happening, but that does not do any good for the general public grabbing a few machines as will never brake even on that equipment. When first lot of asic come along missed on batch 1 of avalon managed batch 2 but still that was hard to brake profit on. Sure it was spitting out 2 btc a day for a while then 1 then 0.5 and so on to point of being none profitable and lost about 4 to 5BTC on it, if kept BTC for them machines back then to now would be a much bigger profit yielded. But that was then and this is now. Maybe in the next year if some massive machines come out that are effective before halving in June/July then I might consider but it is getting very tight and with 12.5 a block price needs to go up or lots going to turn off and turn elsewhere.

wikenpp

hero member

Activity: 672

Merit: 500

Quote from: enthus on November 27, 2015, 09:40:00 AM

i think s7 is most efficient mining equipment right now
i have not seen anything that beat it!

Doesn't Spondoolies Tech have a more energy efficient miner? So yes the SP 50 is a more then a competitor.

Sure it is for the big buyers, but with a group buy it makes more sense to buy from Spondoolies Tech rather then Bitmain.

notlist3d

legendary

Activity: 1456

Merit: 1000

Quote from: crazyearner on November 27, 2015, 10:35:34 PM

S7 is a good choice but you need to factor in energy cost and how much it is going to cost you to run and then work out Diff increases, value of bitcoin, amount spent on equipment and how long it going to take to brake even and then gain profit. Right now with the massive spikes it is hard to say how long it will take to RIO and even next year with the next half of bitcoin It gonna be really interesting to see who continues to mine and who switches off as am sure more will turn their rigs off and diff will come down people will turn rigs on again. But we are approaching no return and Bitcoin needs to put in place some type of system that allows transactions to be processed without miners as if all turns rigs off or many start sopping it is going to take longer and longer to process transactions and send payments.

I think your getting ahead of ourselfs a bit. I think there will be some big installs of Bitmain and Avalon (chances are some already done). Eventually bitfury will jump in.... possibly sp50 someday, and BW's miner someday to.

I think a awful lot of miners are in commercial settings where BTC will not slow down to much even if a lot of individuals hit power off. I wish I had a percentage of home/hobby miner vs commercial. But likely we will never have that. Just look at difficulty last period and chances are this period more gear is coming online and old gear is staying online longer.

A lot of us were mining profitable at 230.... so after jump it will take a decent amount of big jumps to shut us down. But I could be wrong. I just think slowing down to point it hurts BTC transactions will not happen unless some huge loss on value.

crazyearner

legendary

Activity: 1820

Merit: 1001

S7 is a good choice but you need to factor in energy cost and how much it is going to cost you to run and then work out Diff increases, value of bitcoin, amount spent on equipment and how long it going to take to brake even and then gain profit. Right now with the massive spikes it is hard to say how long it will take to RIO and even next year with the next half of bitcoin It gonna be really interesting to see who continues to mine and who switches off as am sure more will turn their rigs off and diff will come down people will turn rigs on again. But we are approaching no return and Bitcoin needs to put in place some type of system that allows transactions to be processed without miners as if all turns rigs off or many start sopping it is going to take longer and longer to process transactions and send payments.

enthus

full member

Activity: 140

Merit: 100

i think s7 is most efficient mining equipment right now
i have not seen anything that beat it!

adaseb

legendary

Activity: 3808

Merit: 1723

Quote from: Exoskeleton on November 23, 2015, 12:20:37 PM

Either the price of gear is going to get halved or they're going to stop getting buyers soon.

If they half the price, people will buy and buy causing the diff to skyrocket. Probably over double in a two or three months.

If they keep the price the same then buyers will dry up real soon. Profitability is already on the fence and with the next 10%+ jump in 14 days nobody will buy at these prices at all. This would keep the hashrate around the 100 Billion that it will be come January.

Either way this looks like a loosing situation for any miner looking to buy right now and it will become more clear come Jan/Feb. Sigh... Undecided

I don' think they will do this. They would only do this if the price lost half its value.

notlist3d

legendary

Activity: 1456

Merit: 1000

Quote from: Dalkore on November 23, 2015, 03:19:52 PM

Quote from: Pollak on November 23, 2015, 02:45:55 PM

Quote from: Dalkore on November 23, 2015, 12:42:48 PM

Avalon 6 would be your closest match. Not as efficient but in the ballpark and that is still good enough.

Spondoolies Tech has the SP 50
http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/sp50

It outforms the antminer on every front. Check the specs. The Antminer S7 is a baby if you look to the power of this baby:
0.15W/GH/s

Effective Hash Rate 110 TH/s ± 10%

Have you actually tried to get your hands on them? You can't just buy one according to my customers that have inquired. I was referring to miners that the average can get their hands on.

I think they will be pretty secretive once it does launch. I predict they look for big buyers over a certain number of dollars on sales to work with. Maybe later on down the road they work with buying a few. But I think they will go for data center customers wanting a lot first.

The hard part is I have a feeling a lot of it including price will be under a NDA. So it's likely we will not know much about the SP-50 unless someone leaks it. And either way I think they just have a case as of now.... so we really have no idea how long till it hits the market.

Amph

legendary

Activity: 3248

Merit: 1070

Quote from: vortexz on November 25, 2015, 05:17:29 AM

Quote from: Amph on November 25, 2015, 02:41:24 AM

it depend on what you mean by competitor, with very low energy cost, it's better to go with soemthing else, more cheaper that let you achieve roi faster

otherwise the s7 is the king, if your power is expensive

what is that something else Huh

you just say go with something else that is cheaper.but is there anything else providing 5 TH/s and cheaper price ?

there is only the s4 which is near that hash, half of that at least, otherwise i was referring to many s5 to replace one s7

RichBC

hero member

Activity: 588

Merit: 500

Quote from: vortexz on November 25, 2015, 05:17:29 AM

Quote from: Amph on November 25, 2015, 02:41:24 AM

it depend on what you mean by competitor, with very low energy cost, it's better to go with soemthing else, more cheaper that let you achieve roi faster

otherwise the s7 is the king, if your power is expensive

what is that something else Huh

you just say go with something else that is cheaper.but is there anything else providing 5 TH/s and cheaper price ?

As has been said your only choices in the new market are for the S7 or Avalon6. You could turn to the second hand market with say 4 x S5 and save a few Dollars, however unless you have very cheap electricity you are better off with the S7 or Avalon6 which will also have a better resale value in 6-9 Months.

Rich

vortexz

legendary

Activity: 1120

Merit: 1001

Quote from: Amph on November 25, 2015, 02:41:24 AM

it depend on what you mean by competitor, with very low energy cost, it's better to go with soemthing else, more cheaper that let you achieve roi faster

otherwise the s7 is the king, if your power is expensive

what is that something else Huh

you just say go with something else that is cheaper.but is there anything else providing 5 TH/s and cheaper price ?

Amph

legendary

Activity: 3248

Merit: 1070

it depend on what you mean by competitor, with very low energy cost, it's better to go with soemthing else, more cheaper that let you achieve roi faster

otherwise the s7 is the king, if your power is expensive

Exoskeleton

sr. member

Activity: 338

Merit: 251

The S7 was the way to go in my opinion, maybe not now though. If you buy an Avalon 6 today and get it hashing above the stated 3.6Ths (which looks to be possible up to 4Ths) it might be just as good of a deal as an S7 because the S7 batch 8 that is currently for sale might be a month and a half till delivery. In that time you could earn almost 1BTC from an Avalon and that would make up for the slight additional costs. The S7 ship has already set sail and its a bit late to get aboard now. The Avalon train is leaving the station...

Dalkore

legendary

Activity: 1330

Merit: 1026

Mining since 2010 & Hosting since 2012

Quote from: Pollak on November 23, 2015, 02:45:55 PM

Quote from: Dalkore on November 23, 2015, 12:42:48 PM

Avalon 6 would be your closest match. Not as efficient but in the ballpark and that is still good enough.

Spondoolies Tech has the SP 50
http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/sp50

It outforms the antminer on every front. Check the specs. The Antminer S7 is a baby if you look to the power of this baby:
0.15W/GH/s

Effective Hash Rate 110 TH/s ± 10%

Have you actually tried to get your hands on them? You can't just buy one according to my customers that have inquired. I was referring to miners that the average can get their hands on.

vortexz

legendary

Activity: 1120

Merit: 1001

Quote from: Pollak on November 23, 2015, 02:45:55 PM

Quote from: Dalkore on November 23, 2015, 12:42:48 PM

Avalon 6 would be your closest match. Not as efficient but in the ballpark and that is still good enough.

Spondoolies Tech has the SP 50
http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/sp50

It outforms the antminer on every front. Check the specs. The Antminer S7 is a baby if you look to the power of this baby:
0.15W/GH/s

Effective Hash Rate 110 TH/s ± 10%

no, Spoldoolies DOES NOT HAVE the SP50, that is just a RENDER with imaginary TH/S
on the other hand , the S7 is a real miner that you can actually buy and mine with

Pollak

full member

Activity: 182

Merit: 100

Pollak

Quote from: Dalkore on November 23, 2015, 12:42:48 PM

Avalon 6 would be your closest match. Not as efficient but in the ballpark and that is still good enough.

Spondoolies Tech has the SP 50
http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/sp50

It outforms the antminer on every front. Check the specs. The Antminer S7 is a baby if you look to the power of this baby:
0.15W/GH/s

Effective Hash Rate 110 TH/s ± 10%

Dalkore

legendary

Activity: 1330

Merit: 1026

Mining since 2010 & Hosting since 2012

Avalon 6 would be your closest match. Not as efficient but in the ballpark and that is still good enough.

Exoskeleton

sr. member

Activity: 338

Merit: 251

Either the price of gear is going to get halved or they're going to stop getting buyers soon.

If they half the price, people will buy and buy causing the diff to skyrocket. Probably over double in a two or three months.

If they keep the price the same then buyers will dry up real soon. Profitability is already on the fence and with the next 10%+ jump in 14 days nobody will buy at these prices at all. This would keep the hashrate around the 100 Billion that it will be come January.

Either way this looks like a loosing situation for any miner looking to buy right now and it will become more clear come Jan/Feb. Sigh... Undecided

philipma1957

legendary

Activity: 4326

Merit: 8950

'The right to privacy matters'

Quote from: pj40 on November 23, 2015, 08:47:31 AM

Really debating to myself on whether to drop the coin for this batch or wait to see if there's a batch 9 to follow. With the huge jump in difficulty only hours away, it's making me really hesitant to buy.

yeah 11% and looks like both avalon and bitmaintech are going to sell and sell and sell and sell more.

pj40

full member

Activity: 180

Merit: 100

Really debating to myself on whether to drop the coin for this batch or wait to see if there's a batch 9 to follow. With the huge jump in difficulty only hours away, it's making me really hesitant to buy.

Atomicat

legendary

Activity: 952

Merit: 1002

Quote from: ezak on November 23, 2015, 06:44:09 AM

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison and https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Non-specialized_hardware_comparison are the canonical lists. I'm not sure that will be useful to you; there's approximately 940 products across the two lists.

Even on the list you provided the Animiner S5+ is the cheapest option comparing by most Mhash for every dollar.

philipma1957

legendary

Activity: 4326

Merit: 8950

'The right to privacy matters'

Quote from: vortexz on November 23, 2015, 05:01:48 AM

Is out there any real S7 competitor ? I know there is the avalon 6 but it is a bit more expensive than the S7 per Th/S, and we all know the S7 is already too expensive !

thats is your choice for the most efficient gear.

ezak

member

Activity: 140

Merit: 10

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison and https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Non-specialized_hardware_comparison are the canonical lists. I'm not sure that will be useful to you; there's approximately 940 products across the two lists.

vortexz

legendary

Activity: 1120

Merit: 1001

Is out there any real S7 competitor ? I know there is the avalon 6 but it is a bit more expensive than the S7 per Th/S, and we all know the S7 is already too expensive !

Topic: Any real Antminer S7 competitor out there ? (Read 2672 times)