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GreenStox

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Quote from: HiTmanSql on April 03, 2015, 08:22:18 AM

from where do you know your thief? how was the transaction done.

ive read somewhere that from a tx they can access your pc but cannot re transmit data to make your wallet send money.

Depends from where you sent that. All transactions have an IP logged, so thats partially valid.

But if the transaction was done from an online wallet through tor or other ip hider, then its fucked and probably not many clues left.

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from where do you know your thief? how was the transaction done.

ive read somewhere that from a tx they can access your pc but cannot re transmit data to make your wallet send money.

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Quote from: Bitware on April 03, 2015, 06:57:28 AM

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Quote from: Bitware on February 15, 2015, 09:31:40 PM

The same way with any other crime. Call the police. Present them with your complaint and evidence.

I dont think that will work. In 99% of the cases the police does nothing they write a report and thats all, they wont start an investigation.

If the funds are small then it's most likely a learning tax, so that next time be more cautious. If it's big then its better to do it, however i`m not sure if police is effective nowadays...

It all depends on how you define 'work.'

Police certainly will investigate, but they may not be able to find the perpetrators nor make you whole again after the fact. police are reactionary, not preventative.

I think it would depend on the nature of the crime. Anything involving fiat money would be easier to investigate and prosecute. Otherwise it would be very difficult especially if the scammer/thief covered their tracks well by not revealing their IP address. Your only option would be to sift through the blockchain in the hopes that they slipped up and sent their coins to a known address such as an exchange. And even then, they could have simply sent it all through a mixer.

Secondly, I'm not sure if the police actually has the expertise to investigate pure BTC crimes properly and even if they did, it's unlikely that they would use whatever little skills they do have to investigate minor thefts. Pirate's ponzi was an enormous scam and if Mt. Gox was a scam, then it would have been an enormous one too. However, the average ponzi scam or exchange collapse in 2015 would be tiny in comparison so it's unlikely that they would dedicate any significant manpower towards solving these cases.

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Quote from: GreenStox on March 28, 2015, 08:49:56 PM

Quote from: Bitware on February 15, 2015, 09:31:40 PM

The same way with any other crime. Call the police. Present them with your complaint and evidence.

I dont think that will work. In 99% of the cases the police does nothing they write a report and thats all, they wont start an investigation.

If the funds are small then it's most likely a learning tax, so that next time be more cautious. If it's big then its better to do it, however i`m not sure if police is effective nowadays...

It all depends on how you define 'work.'

Police certainly will investigate, but they may not be able to find the perpetrators nor make you whole again after the fact. police are reactionary, not preventative.

The 'learning tax' is accurate. At the end of the day, no one is responsible for our protection except ourselves. If we allow someone to steal from us, it's our own fault for allowing them access, whether that be by insecure practices or misplaced trust in third parties. At the end of the day, it's our responsibility, obligation to ourselves and e are only accountable to ourselves.

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Quote from: Exther2 on March 06, 2015, 11:14:27 AM

That's the only bad thing about bitcoin.
You can't get it back if other side don't want to give it back.

I disagree. It's more of a double edged sword and a necessary consequence of requiring no trusted third party to process transactions (which is in itself a huge positive for Bitcoin). While it does mean that payments to scammers can't be reversed by an authority that would oversee such matters, it also means that the responsibility of the trade is on the buyer:

http://blog.oleganza.com/post/51063547201/no-chargebacks-is-not-a-problem-for-bitcoin

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Quote from: Bitware on February 15, 2015, 09:31:40 PM

The same way with any other crime. Call the police. Present them with your complaint and evidence.

I dont think that will work. In 99% of the cases the police does nothing they write a report and thats all, they wont start an investigation.

If the funds are small then it's most likely a learning tax, so that next time be more cautious. If it's big then its better to do it, however i`m not sure if police is effective nowadays...

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Quote from: impressivegol on February 15, 2015, 04:26:59 PM

If I've been scammed of bitcoin, once the bitcoins have been sent from my address to the scammer's bitcoin address is there any recourse? I can see that the scammer's bitc address is still sending/receiving bitcoins via searching the btc address on blockchain. But is there any resource that listens to victims and ever freezes/seizes bitcoins back?

If i had to guess the answer to this, I'd guess no Sad

but figure I would know for sure after posting in this forum.

long story short--someone agreed to sell me something, i paid first, and never heard from seller again.

thx in advance for any replies

I don't know you can. But if you were scammed while purchasing with a registered company, then it's possible.

You can always do the society good and report those scams to everyone.

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Nah it will never happen. One thing to note, is that in the past, when BTER got hacked with NXT, there was some talk of forking the Blockchain, and taking it back in time, to get the funds back. But that will Never be possible with bitcoin.

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That's the only bad thing about bitcoin.
You can't get it back if other side don't want to give it back.
You can post his information detailed so others can be aware of same, but even that, thefts change their addresses and you just cannot even track them.

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Cant really stop a scammer from getting away with bitcoin on here. Only one way would to be is to stop proxy access and have limited access on site more security on being allowed to exchange or sell coins or lend services they need to be reviewed as theirs many people who lend say they got stuff without proof or having security's to back up their loan and run off.

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Quote from: impressivegol on February 15, 2015, 04:26:59 PM

long story short--someone agreed to sell me something, i paid first, and never heard from seller again.

thx in advance for any replies

What do you have besides a BTC address? Do you have an email, a website, a name, a physical address?

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No! There is no method to stop a scammer by sending and receiving btc. Because no one can seiz his btc address. You can just see the transection of scammers that he sent his btc to some ine in block chain but you cant do aby thing. So be careful in future

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My condolences for your losses. I want to let you know that you will get through this and in the big scheme of things you have learned an invaluable lesson. Unfortunately I feel this is the best way to look at a situation such as this. Money is not everything. You have your life still and that is something so very precious. I hope this does not sour you on Bitcoin as it is really the human condition which leads some of us to pyscho tendencies like scamming others out of money, lying, cheating, killing and so on. I wish you the very best of luck in your future Bitcoin endeavors.

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Quote from: Bitware on February 15, 2015, 09:31:40 PM

The same way with any other crime. Call the police. Present them with your complaint and evidence.

LOL!

Stop trolling dude.

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The same way with any other crime. Call the police. Present them with your complaint and evidence.

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So sorry.
Announce his information here to warn others.
Next time use escrow.

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You can provide the name of the account and evidence which will help future victims for a start, but no unless you provide name info and the scammer gets scared and pays you back willingly then the coins are gone my friend.

Sorry to hear you have been stole from so early on in bitcoin is this just a new account you are using or are you new to bitcoin?

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If I've been scammed of bitcoin, once the bitcoins have been sent from my address to the scammer's bitcoin address is there any recourse? I can see that the scammer's bitc address is still sending/receiving bitcoins via searching the btc address on blockchain. But is there any resource that listens to victims and ever freezes/seizes bitcoins back?

If i had to guess the answer to this, I'd guess no Sad

but figure I would know for sure after posting in this forum.

long story short--someone agreed to sell me something, i paid first, and never heard from seller again.

thx in advance for any replies

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