Topic: Appeal the ban "CoinIdol News" account (Read 947 times)

Well feel free, but you are wasting your time. Reporting these threads should not be necessary, and neither should this discussion we are having, because this user should have been permabanned three years ago.

Your position and the position of some other respected members of the forum is your personal matter, but they should not influence others to follow your example. The ignore button exists for a reason, but not for the reason that we all turn our heads to the other side and let everyone do what they want.

You gave up on the Press board, but that does not mean that good work was not done there and that some other members cleaned that board of those who were abusing it. It literally took me 10-15 seconds to report those two threads, and if new ones appear in two days or two months, I will gladly sacrifice another 10-15 seconds to do the same.

Who cares at this point? It's now been over three years since we started loudly complaining about users such as this one. Three years we have wasted time reporting, getting posts deleted, getting threads trashed, posting about it in Meta, continually asking for intervention, and still this bot is allowed to shit all over the Press board. If this account actually got miraculously banned today, they could open a new one tomorrow and it would take us until ~2026 to get that new one banned.

It is quite clear this bot should have had a permaban three years ago. If the mods/admins don't give a shit, then I'm done wasting my time with it. You should be too. Just hit ignore and move on.

I gave up reporting spam a long time ago since we never ban the spammers or take action against the spam campaigns which enable them.

Free speech is one thing, which I completely support and have long defended. However, allowing bots to repeatedly smear shit all over the boards is another entirely. It never ceases to amaze me the lengths this forum will go to to ensure that absolute trash is allowed to ruin the experience for everyone else.

Was CoinIdol News banned permanently, and then they got unbanned? If so, then mods need to revise the decision, CoinIdol News is of the most annoying spam account I have ever come across here. No way mods can let such a knob-head have a second chance here. If it was just a temporary ban with a warning then I understand, but clearly they haven't changed, have they?

Makes you wonder why.

I keep saying it, but at some point allowing people like this back and allowing the dumpster fire that is the altcoins / tokens section and allowing a bunch of other disruptive users is going to drive more people away from here. I already know that there are users like myself that are using other places to talk BTC. Not because we don't want to be here, but because it's better there.

-Dave

It appears that both threads have now been deleted. I'm not sure, but it seems like the user has not been banned this time.

I noticed them yesterday, and reported both threads - one was deleted, and the moderator apparently liked the other and is still active for now. One would think that they have changed their modus operandi after so long, but they continue exactly where they left off.

 Jesus Christ!
I thought we would never see them again, but nope, here we go again.

And with the same behavior. The post that was done on October 27 has nothing to do with the Press board. Such topics should be on the Speculation board. CoinIdiot News doesn't want to understand how we use the forum. You can say this or that, but his reply seems to be "I don't care"

Personally, I hate when people post images with the Press, it's useless 99% of the time. I don't bother to read the text usually, especially if people have the tendency to just copy past a paragraph and don't add an opinion, or question, or open a debate...
These are usually just people interested in posting something. They have no desire to discuss this with the members.

I just visited Press board and found out they're back again[1] after they made last post on "2021-10-25"[2]. As usual their post include some hashtag and big image which IMO isn't really helpful/relevant with the news.

[1] https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5418506
[2] https://ninjastic.space/post/58264837

Stuff like this is the reason I gave up on reporting spam and only report things like malware and illegal activities now. Why bother when we refuse to take action against even the worst of the worst spammers?

Can't believe they're back

It doesn't change. They still don't understand how things work with the press board. So I'm telling them: Stop polluting the web
When people visit your website, even coronavirus is asking for a mask.

Moderators should start to think about a perma ban. You can't give a temp every time, when people don't want to understand, it's time for another level

Loooool well this truly means to have some guts! I bow down and take my hat off in front of such courage I wonder how Nina Lyon will explain that. How will explain that CoinIdol News is not a bot but a human being.

I believe now things are clear for everybody: that account is indeed a bot, which tried all the time to keep posting, but it was unable to. And in the very second when it was able to post again (when the temp-ban expired), it did what its code told it to do: to keep spamming the Press board.

Now the temp ban is over the account has started spamming the press section again - this MUST deserve a perma ban?

If you check page by page back for years you will see the same pattern from so many users. That's what I'm talking about and asking if that's a double standard - deleting all CI publications, and mine. Hunting as sports.

Years ago when CD and CT were just a newborn sites (and now too) they did the same. I do remember it.

 

But still, I understand your complaints now, thank you. And I will work on all of what you said. Just to explain you - it was not an intention to make any super advertising but to share news. If that offended someone in the community - I'm sorry. I and my colleagues work for the crypto community and not crypto news manipulations and monopoly.

Not really. The board has served its purpose long ago. It was created when any press article was exciting or indeed notable. Now nobody gives a shit what the mainstream media has to say. Any decent article can be posted in the main board if its worthy of discussion. Besides, there are plenty of measures that have been implemented because of spammers: Activity, merit, signature restrictions, PM restrictions, certain boards not counting towards activity/post count, newbies can't post images etc so if this is 'caving in' then so are all those.

Isn't that the point... if you remove the spam then more threads on the front page will be from notable sources.

Locking the board would be giving in to spammers.

Well I'm up for trying it but to be honest I think that board would be pretty dead without all the blogspam so it might as well be locked/archived. How many threads are on the first page or two that are from notable sources? I just checked the first ten threads on there and all but two were from crypto-based sites and the other ones were not from sites I'd call notable sources.

Yeah, instead of posting previews of your CoinIdol pages on the press board, you should be posting explanations and discussions about the contents of your pages (not a copy-paste of the whole article), preferably without pictures and hashtags. Don't use a bot for this and hire a real person to represent your site on bitcointalk and make sure that person interacts with the commentators on his/her threads.

Links to sources on your own site are OK as long as there is also substantial discussion in the post, i.e. don't write this:

I think we should try both before we give up on the board entirely:


Notability and copy/paste are both problems in their own right.  I don't see how we can ignore one and not the other.

Smaller media sites have an obvious interest in generating traffic for themselves, so we need the notability criteria to combat that.

Forum users who can simply copy and paste some text and attribute a source so it's not classed as plagiarism have an easy exploit to make posts with basically zero effort.  We then end up with abandoned topics where no one actually has any interest in talking about the news, because no one even attempted to start a discussion.

You don't have to post a personal opinion. That's not the forum rules just a user suggestion as a way to appear less spammy than just mass hit and runs but it still shouldn't matter. The current rule of the Press board is that it's for notable press mentions. CoinIdol isn't 'notable' in my opinion. Mods usually only go on what is reported so if someone reports your posts then they're likely to be acted upon. If you want clarification you should contact theymos but personally I think that board should be locked now as it's served its purpose or at the very least we should state that crypto based news outlets don't fall under the definition of notable and are therefore not allowed.

Many years old publications and comments with reports on scam for example?  
This is not moderation, this looks personal. Never had anything like this for my entire time writing for crypto community on various websited for so many years. Very strange and it is a double standard.

I just reported 69 shillings of OP, as she followed the same path as CoinIdol News. From these 69 reports, 21 were shilling topics which were locked by the moderator. The other 48 were simple shilling posts, which were deleted. As a result of having less topics, OP turned back to Newbie rank, while she was a Member (or Jr. Member) before I made these reports (I don't remember exactly, but I believe she had the Member rank though).

Seeing now that her posts were also deleted, I hope she understands once and for all to stop these spams and shillings.


I was the hunter.

And I'm hunting any spammer / shiller. It is hard to find them all, but we, the spam guards are doing our best to keep the forum clean. Some are missed at a moment, but found later (as it happened to your posts, for example). But there is no double standard. It's just there are not enough reporters to properly compete with all the spammers. Besides, there are not enough moderators to analyze all the reports. I, for example, have 1055 unhandled reports, which will never be analyzed as they were made more than a month ago and the mods can;t see them anymore.

What I want to say is it's just a matter of time until other spammers are reported as well. No double standards, don't worry

With no active link, just a sign so you can know who I am.

Still looks like a double standard.

I see post with no "personal opinion" from the author in the Press section just a copy from the lead of the original publication. And you leave it. But you hunt on me and my personal years old replies.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/2020-06-11-tiny-tax-haven-accounts-for-36b-of-cross-border-btc-transactions-5255038
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/2020-09-12researcher-kept-a-bitcoin-bug-secret-for-2-years-to-prevent-attacks-5275698
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/2020-09-14-rgb-continues-its-work-to-bring-better-smart-contracts-to-bitcoin-5275891
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/2020-04-07-no-more-relief-for-bitcoin-miners-5238579
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/2020-03-11-bitcoin-options-volumes-surged-during-recent-price-drop-then-died-5232044

Bottom line, participate in genuine discussion with other users.  That's how forums work.  I can't help but notice you're currently engaged with us right now having a real conversation.  You aren't copying and pasting your replies to this topic from another source, so you're clearly capable of having a conversation.  Why can't you be willing to do the same for the topics you post articles about?  Forget what I said about the quality of your articles, that's beside the point.  The real issue is that if any user is just copying content from another site and pasting it here on the forum with no unique thoughts of their own, that user will eventually find themselves banned. 

Make good quality ORIGINAL posts.  Easy.  Job done. 

Or you can buy an ad space : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.55171319. In terms of exposure, it can't be better, but it's not free.
Or, why not, organize a signature campaign, but again it's not free.*
But there will be no problem with the reputation of your site.

Edit :
* Or organize an art contest like here

What do you think "etc" means?


You have an ad in your sig too. That's perfectly acceptable. And there is an option for users to turn those ads off. However advertising inside posts is not allowed.


The suggestions are very clear but you just don't want to hear them. Re-posting news from your site is the same as promoting your site if you don't engage in any kind of real discussion. The press board is not the right place to promote your site. Perhaps you can promote your site in the Marketplace/Services... consult with moderators what's the best option here. Have one thread for your site. Feel free to participate in other topics and carry your signature that promotes your site and/or your thread. Don't shill your site in the contents of your posts.

We do not post advertising (this includes mining pools, gambling services, exchanges, shops, etc.), and the website mentioned here is another website.  

A little bit strange to hear about advertising from people who follow each of their post with banners...

So any suggestions about the content or not?

In coindol news' case the warnings were as much as their BS publications, and if you know how many of that coindol news posts on the press section, you'll agree that it was sufficient warning for them to change how they bring their news to this community. A user (in this case bot website) that gets all their posts deleted all the time, yet the user made no complain about it, to find out why their entire publications were deleted all the time, but just continued posting all the same BS (from zero posts most times) doesn't care about anything on the forum, and prolly knew they were doing something wrong, and didn't care to change cause they felt they'll not be banned.
+1 to that, the press section already has no traffic, and the little it gets is spam to say the least. The websites who spam the press section already have their site, so there's no need to 'advertise' their website on btt. Or it could be included to the rules of that board for users to include to the content of their sources, some original information that'll cause discussions.

I still think the Press section should be locked/archived... or at the very least we clarify that only notable sources are allowed which should mean no crytpo-based sites.

Spam advertisement is not allowed.

I see this account does spam advertisement in multiple threads. https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/fintechnewscoinpedia-2832883

I don't think running a business should allow any lenience with regards to forum rules. Every single post being deleted is a sufficient warning. If anything mods have been giving too much benefit of the doubt to an account that is utterly useless. I would ban the OP too, who's done the exact same type of shitposting years ago.

While I agree such spammers should be banned, a temporary ban or kind of warning before perma ban would be a good idea. Because according to the forum, if they are perma banned, there will be no way they can run their service/business etc. on bitcointalk forum. So, before perma ban, such accounts should be given warning or temporary ban in my opinion.

Not quite, no.

It needs to be phrased more clearly, but the intent is not merely to post links to news.  That's not the point of a forum.

If someone finds a story in the mainstream media and wants to discuss the implications of that news, that's the purpose (I believe) of the Press Board.  We want insights and analysis.  Thoughtful commentary to weigh against the content of the publication. 

You can hide behind the excuse that "journalists cannot state their personal opinions", but that's not going to resolve the problem and certainly doesn't mean you can simply resume posting as you did before.  To me, that just sounds like no one in your organisation is prepared to put the effort in and you just want to copy/paste with no other participation.  That's frankly not going to fly anymore, so think again.  The community won't allow it.  Why should we not hold you to the same standard we hold other users?

Like it or not, posts in the Press board need accompanying independent commentary to be considered a valid post. 

I often read in the Press section and I most of the time don't engage in posts made by CoinIdol. For one other then clickbaity titles the articles don't really have any good info in it, and when people engage a discussion in your thread CoinIdol won't be responding. The way it looks like to me is you are just using the forum to promote your website and not engage in any kind of discussion or give clarification to the news you are giving. The sense of BCT being a forum is basically absent when you don't entertain anything the members are posting in your thread. So I think the ban given to your account is well deserve.

The content of articles you were linking to is largely low quality - large, irrelevant, obnoxious pictures, many posts simply about price speculation with no actual content, poorly researched if at all, filled with inaccuracies, etc. Despite all that, that wasn't even the reason I reported every single one of your posts.

You were using the Press board as little more than free advertising for your site. This is a discussion forum, not a copy-and-paste dumping ground. Your account (which I strongly suspect was an automated bot) never once engaged in conversation, held a discussion, sparked a debate, replied to other users. You just dumped your copy-and-paste advertising multiple times a day and that was it.

The fact that every single one of your posts was deleted shortly after you made them, and your account has been banned before, and you made zero effort to change, makes me highly skeptical of this, but if you do want to change, then try to use your account like an actual human.

Having some accounts which don't spam doesn't give you a free pass to have other accounts which do spam.

Your website is where the community can find your news without discussing it. Again, this is a discussion forum.

The Press board is for "notable press hits". I do not believe that what is essentially a low quality crypto specific blog site is classed as "notable", and clearly the mods agree since all your posts are trashed.

You are not the first blog/media site to spam the Press board and be banned, and I'm sure you won't be the last. If you want to use this forum, then try contributing to it and not just using it as a place to dump advertising spam for free.

Actually you are shilling your website. Again and again and again.


See also how many times Coin Idol was mentioned in this topic: List of advertising shills. Mods please review and ban as appropriate..

I myself got tired of how many posts I reported for that account. I spent months reporting every single day all the shillings they made, but it seemed to be in vain. It seemed so much to be in vain that o_e_l_e_o took the sad decision to lock his topic, as he believed there is no chance in the world to stop that bot named Coin Idol.

I kept following everyday that account and I was surprised that it didn't post anymore for the last few days. I wondered if it finally got banned but it seemed too nice to be true. Apparently, it was true. One less spammer from the forum, after I worked for months for this to happen. It's a blessing for the entire forum!

@o_e_l_e_o: We won! The bot has been defeated!

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This is simple: stop spamming and shilling.



You can share the news on your website. There are a lot of crypto news websites but not any respectable one shills itself here: have you ever seen CoinTelegraph shilling itself here? Or CoinDesk? No. Just shady websites like yours do that. There is a bunch of such spammers, hopefully all being banned sooner or later: WorldCoin Index, Fintoism etc. I take hours everyday to report all this nonsense. If anyone wants to read your articles, s/he can visit your website, not Bitcoin Forum and to get redirected from here to your website.


Have you ever seen the description of Press board? I believe you didn't. Let me enlighten you:


"Notable", you see that? Nothing of your spams is notable. Just spamming and shilling.

Dear BitcoinTalk community.

I regret to hear that any of our publications are not good enough for you or annoying to anyone in the cryptocurrency community. I would be happy to hear your suggestion on what can be improved. And I assure you I will do everything to make it possible.

I must also note that we did read the guidance of what publications are allowed on the BitcoinTalk. And tried not to violate these rules.

Yes, we hardly communicate on the forum, that's true. But some of our authors follow BitcoinTalk and communicate here on different topics Without sending posts with links to coinidol.com, as any other users.

The account CoinIdol News was made specifically to share our news with the community, and not to discuss it. As journalists can not state their personal opinions, and we find it unethical to reply with personal opinion under the publication. Our goal is to share the information as it is. Section “Press” is dedicated to it, no? That seems not to be prohibited on BitcoinTalk. Or is it now?

Unfortunately I don't know why the entry is missing in the ModLog.
Since all posts have been cleaned up and the whole thing has been going on for a few weeks/months I rather assume a permaban.
I was not involved myself but the search brings some facts out:

1)

2) click here

I think the ban was not unjustified and will probably remain upright.

BPIP scrapes ban info directly from modlog so there shouldn't be any major inaccuracies, with the exception of old bans (prior to BPIP's existence). We also detect users who start posting again and mark them as "unbanned".

CoinIdol News didn't have modlog entry so the account is either banned temporarily or got a "special" permaban that doesn't show up in modlog. Considering that all of their posts have been deleted I don't really understand why it wouldn't be banned permanently.


This is a discussion forum, not a backup of your site. Simply copying your "news" here doesn't contribute anything of value.

If it is a temporary ban, I sure think that it deserves a permanent one. Accounts in general that only spam the forums just to get link clicks to articles that aren't even good deserves to be banned, including that Coinpedia.org one.

AFAIK, BPIP isn't that kinda accurate. Some of the users that are listed banned in it aren't really banned after some have found it being active recently. Also, BPIP relies on the scraped data of LoyceV, in which LoyceV also admitted he made mistakes (I can't remember when and on what topic I read it, but I am sure there was a case that BPIP and LoyceV listed a user to be banned yet found active recently).


The answer is simple, if the account you've mentioned are just Temporarily Banned, then you can soon have it back. But if it was Permanently Banned, then you cannot. Either of those cases, your posts being deleted due to either spam or whatsoever wouldn't be retrieved (some are on archival and off-limits to you), and either way, forum would let the CoinIdol News on which rules they had violated. If ever it would be permanently banned and you are endorsing it nor being an alt of that user, it would somehow lead to ban evasion which is also prohibited and would ban you as well (In which I guess you must also be banned just by judging your past posts)

Since there is no record on BPIP, the account has been banned temporarily.

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To OP:

Given your post history, the account you are using now deserves to be banned as well.
Change your posting style or you will be banned permanently.

Instead of you appealing to us, can we appeal to you instead?  It would be great if you could improve the quality of your contributions to the forum.  I've seen numerous comments from other users who find your posts tedious at best.  Anyone can regurgitate the content of an article.  It takes no effort to do that.  It's not like your articles are even that well written.

It's clear you see these forums as nothing more than a free way to drive traffic to your site and boost your page impressions.  That needs to change.  You need to do better and offer up some higher quality posts.  Preferably something better than the standard set in the articles on your site.

I do not know if it's a permanent ban, but that user coindolnews was famous for posting BS that always got deleted, IIRC, that user most times gets the whole of their posts deleted by the moderator, prolly mods have decided to ban, nuke or tem ban that user. See this thread complaining about coindolnews' BS posting activities made by LeGaulois: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.54573547
If it's a temporary ban, yes the account will be restored when the ban time elapses, but for the BS publications made from that account, no, not at all, it's spam and it wouldn't be restored nor do we need any more of it in the forum (mostly on the press section).

There's normally an explanation on the ban message when you log in afaik.

Also your posts probably can't be restored anyway as your deleted posts are hard deleted on the forums server, but you ought be able to find them in drafts on bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=drafts from the banned account, you ought want to back these up just in case.

Dear moderators of Bitcointalk

We recently found out that the account of "CoinIdol News" on Bitcointalk was banned with no explanation or notification.

As an Editor at Coinidol.com I want to appeal this ban and find out why the account is suspended and publications deleted?
We do not make advertising, we post our news.

Can our account and publications be restored?

Thank you.