For now I will only be offering 80% lowers, along with a guide on how to complete them.
Will this guide require specialized hardware like a CNC machine? No, just a drill and a vice/press.
Topic: AR 15 Lowers (Read 2048 times)
No, just a drill and a vice/press.
If it's like the standard 80% lowers I've seen from big operations you can complete it with a drill press.
I know a guy that did one with a hand drill and a dremel. Ain't pretty but it shoots reliably.
I know a guy that did one with a hand drill and a dremel. Ain't pretty but it shoots reliably.
I've shot an AR-10 that had a 80% lower finished with a hand drill. It definitely wasn't pretty but it did the job. Considering how all the gun regulation bills were killed off(that I know of) I imagine we'll get back to 2012 prices soon enough. Just something to consider.
If it's like the standard 80% lowers I've seen from big operations you can complete it with a drill press.
I know a guy that did one with a hand drill and a dremel. Ain't pretty but it shoots reliably.
I know a guy that did one with a hand drill and a dremel. Ain't pretty but it shoots reliably.
For now I will only be offering 80% lowers, along with a guide on how to complete them.
Will this guide require specialized hardware like a CNC machine?
As an update, I will be ordering the parts I need for the printer/mill over the next couple of days. For now I will only be offering 80% lowers, along with a guide on how to complete them.
If you want to be safe, stick with 80% lowers...you could however include the guides for what needs to be milled and drilled. That is perfectly legal.
In my opinion you should be able to send me a fully assembled lower without any hassle but sadly my opinion is not the law
In my opinion you should be able to send me a fully assembled lower without any hassle but sadly my opinion is not the law
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That being said I cannot imagine an epoxied lego lower would hold up well. An AR-15 lower isn't a pressure bearing part but you're going to have a fun time keeping the rear take-down pin through-hole from snapping off with just legos and epoxy 
Legos, yes. However, this:
http://www.infowars.com/3d-printed-lower-receiver-withstands-more-than-650-rounds-gun-grabbers-panic/
Honestly I'd rather build a
But its not illegal to sell a plan or legos...
Your first mistake is you're trying to apply logic and common sense to this. Gun laws can be arcane and easily misinterpreted but that's how it is.
But its not illegal to sell a plan or legos...
It's not illegal to sell steel or aluminum either, unless they fit the definition of what the government defines as "guns" (and you aren't licensed to do so)
But its not illegal to sell a plan or legos...
My understanding is that would be legal. This would be similar to an 80% lower with jigs to make milling out the fire control group easier.
That being said I cannot imagine an epoxied lego lower would hold up well. An AR-15 lower isn't a pressure bearing part but you're going to have a fun time keeping the rear take-down pin through-hole from snapping off with just legos and epoxy
But its not illegal to sell a plan or legos...
What if I design an AR lower that is made out of legos and epoxy? Then what?
I would assume it's the same as a person who makes and sells 80% lowers, or those 3D printed lowers. As long as you are making one for yourself, it's legal. As soon as you start selling it, it's illegal.No, I mean what if I design an ar lower made out of legos, and then sell you a bag of legos along with plans to make a lower of of them.
Just saying it would be really funny, and maybe even doable.When you're in court the judge will not find this amusing. Oh, and be sure not to drop the soap.
No, I mean what if I design an ar lower made out of legos, and then sell you a bag of legos along with plans to make a lower of of them. Just saying it would be really funny, and maybe even doable.
Just saying it would be really funny, and maybe even doable.I'm sure the BATF agents breaking out your windows at 2:00 AM with tear gas grenades will find it hilarious.
He's not selling them, he's trading them for something called a "bitcoin."
What if I design an AR lower that is made out of legos and epoxy? Then what?
I would assume it's the same as a person who makes and sells 80% lowers, or those 3D printed lowers. As long as you are making one for yourself, it's legal. As soon as you start selling it, it's illegal.No, I mean what if I design an ar lower made out of legos, and then sell you a bag of legos along with plans to make a lower of of them.
Just saying it would be really funny, and maybe even doable. What if I design an AR lower that is made out of legos and epoxy? Then what?
I would assume it's the same as a person who makes and sells 80% lowers, or those 3D printed lowers. As long as you are making one for yourself, it's legal. As soon as you start selling it, it's illegal.
What if I design an AR lower that is made out of legos and epoxy? Then what?
If OP is openly advertising that he's selling 80% lower receivers he's going to get an inquiry from the ATF sooner or later.
An 80% lower is a hunk of metal. An 81% receiver is a regulated firearm. The ATF determines how compliant you are and issues a letter when they're satisfied.
OP's idea for a bolt-together lower receiver is basically a 99% and won't fly. Hopefully he understands how easy it easy to commit a felony and go to prison in this business.
Shipping the 2 halves separately to avoid these regs will land OP in prison.
An 80% lower is a hunk of metal. An 81% receiver is a regulated firearm. The ATF determines how compliant you are and issues a letter when they're satisfied.
OP's idea for a bolt-together lower receiver is basically a 99% and won't fly. Hopefully he understands how easy it easy to commit a felony and go to prison in this business.
Shipping the 2 halves separately to avoid these regs will land OP in prison.
The design I am working on could actually be shipped in more than two parts, each part being a flat sheet of metal with holes. If I go to jail for selling a few pieces of metal, then this country really is screwed.
On a side note, I will make sure the product is legally compliant before I ship, and if I am forced to, I will only sell 80% lowers, or I will ship though a ATF dealer.
A judge will not consider your splitting a lower into two, or even three, trivially-assembleable pieces to be cute or clever. He will consider it to be willful flaunting of federal gun laws and will make an example of you. These laws are not taken lightly.
If OP is openly advertising that he's selling 80% lower receivers he's going to get an inquiry from the ATF sooner or later.
An 80% lower is a hunk of metal. An 81% receiver is a regulated firearm. The ATF determines how compliant you are and issues a letter when they're satisfied.
OP's idea for a bolt-together lower receiver is basically a 99% and won't fly. Hopefully he understands how easy it easy to commit a felony and go to prison in this business.
Shipping the 2 halves separately to avoid these regs will land OP in prison.
An 80% lower is a hunk of metal. An 81% receiver is a regulated firearm. The ATF determines how compliant you are and issues a letter when they're satisfied.
OP's idea for a bolt-together lower receiver is basically a 99% and won't fly. Hopefully he understands how easy it easy to commit a felony and go to prison in this business.
Shipping the 2 halves separately to avoid these regs will land OP in prison.
The design I am working on could actually be shipped in more than two parts, each part being a flat sheet of metal with holes. If I go to jail for selling a few pieces of metal, then this country really is screwed.
On a side note, I will make sure the product is legally compliant before I ship, and if I am forced to, I will only sell 80% lowers, or I will ship though a ATF dealer.
If OP is openly advertising that he's selling 80% lower receivers he's going to get an inquiry from the ATF sooner or later.
An 80% lower is a hunk of metal. An 81% receiver is a regulated firearm. The ATF determines how compliant you are and issues a letter when they're satisfied.
OP's idea for a bolt-together lower receiver is basically a 99% and won't fly. Hopefully he understands how easy it easy to commit a felony and go to prison in this business.
Shipping the 2 halves separately to avoid these regs will land OP in prison.
An 80% lower is a hunk of metal. An 81% receiver is a regulated firearm. The ATF determines how compliant you are and issues a letter when they're satisfied.
OP's idea for a bolt-together lower receiver is basically a 99% and won't fly. Hopefully he understands how easy it easy to commit a felony and go to prison in this business.
Shipping the 2 halves separately to avoid these regs will land OP in prison.
Out of curiousity, how many of these letters have you seen?
Tactical Machining posted theirs. So there's one.
Well I'll be damned. I've never encountered one before, but I've never purchased any boutique blanks.
The only way I see this working is if you just shipped the two halves in separate boxes at separate times from different locations, and just didn't care for the legalities.
Out of curiousity, how many of these letters have you seen?
Tactical Machining posted theirs. So there's one.
Well I'll be damned. I've never encountered one before, but I've never purchased any boutique blanks.
Out of curiousity, how many of these letters have you seen?
Tactical Machining posted theirs. So there's one.
Well I'll be damned. I've never encountered one before, but I've never purchased any boutique blanks.
Out of curiousity, how many of these letters have you seen?
Tactical Machining posted theirs. So there's one.
There is no way that the BATFE is going to agree that bolting one half to the other half constitutes 20% or more of the process of manufacturing a lower.
That much is true...that's why I want to see plans. 80% receivers still require machining, which bolting definitely is not. That said, I have no idea how you could implement a bolted lower. More info, OP!
There is no way that the BATFE is going to agree that bolting one half to the other half constitutes 20% or more of the process of manufacturing a lower.
Yes, it's known that an 80% receiver is able to be sold with no licensing or shipping restrictions, and can be machined by the person who purchased it, for a completely legal firearm.
You're saying that this method is similar. It is nothing more than 2 blocks of aluminum (almost like the 80%), and requires some assembly before it can be used (just like the 80%).
You're saying that this method is similar. It is nothing more than 2 blocks of aluminum (almost like the 80%), and requires some assembly before it can be used (just like the 80%).
Generally manufacturers of 80% lowers have a letter from BATF stating that they looked at their plans and a prototype and have approved it as an 80%.
Where's OP's BATF letter?
Out of curiousity, how many of these letters have you seen?
Yes, it's known that an 80% receiver is able to be sold with no licensing or shipping restrictions, and can be machined by the person who purchased it, for a completely legal firearm.
You're saying that this method is similar. It is nothing more than 2 blocks of aluminum (almost like the 80%), and requires some assembly before it can be used (just like the 80%).
You're saying that this method is similar. It is nothing more than 2 blocks of aluminum (almost like the 80%), and requires some assembly before it can be used (just like the 80%).
Generally manufacturers of 80% lowers have a letter from BATF stating that they looked at their plans and a prototype and have approved it as an 80%.
Where's OP's BATF letter?
Personally, I would be more interested in the complete lower shipped to ffl dealer.
Yes, it's known that an 80% receiver is able to be sold with no licensing or shipping restrictions, and can be machined by the person who purchased it, for a completely legal firearm.
You're saying that this method is similar. It is nothing more than 2 blocks of aluminum (almost like the 80%), and requires some assembly before it can be used (just like the 80%).
You're saying that this method is similar. It is nothing more than 2 blocks of aluminum (almost like the 80%), and requires some assembly before it can be used (just like the 80%).
Look at the first google result for 'AR receiver blanks'.
Do you know if there are pistol blanks available too? I don't need an AR but it would be cool to make a pistol.
BTW: Where have you been? I haven't seen you post for a looong time.
Was living in a cabin in the woods in Texas for a while, foraging for all sorts of food and mushrooms, ripping huge gar and catfish out of the brazos, and shooting feral pigs. There were a lot of guns and Lone Star. Tecshare dragged me back in by telling me how volatile things were...needless to say, some safe wallets were dusted off for this playground.
That sounds like great fun. So you retired to your “country estate” for a while. Nice! I think Bruno cried for like a month when you left. LOL
Welcome back!
Legend:
A redneck condo is an RV on a small plot of land.
A fully detached home is a single wide mobile on a larger parcel of land.
A mansion is a double wide mobile on several acres.
A country estate is a cabin in the woods.
Yes, it's known that an 80% receiver is able to be sold with no licensing or shipping restrictions, and can be machined by the person who purchased it, for a completely legal firearm.
You're saying that this method is similar. It is nothing more than 2 blocks of aluminum (almost like the 80%), and requires some assembly before it can be used (just like the 80%).
You're saying that this method is similar. It is nothing more than 2 blocks of aluminum (almost like the 80%), and requires some assembly before it can be used (just like the 80%).
Look at the first google result for 'AR receiver blanks'.
Do you know if there are pistol blanks available too? I don't need an AR but it would be cool to make a pistol.
BTW: Where have you been? I haven't seen you post for a looong time.
Was living in a cabin in the woods in Texas for a while, foraging for all sorts of food and mushrooms, ripping huge gar and catfish out of the brazos, and shooting feral pigs. There were a lot of guns and Lone Star. Tecshare dragged me back in by telling me how volatile things were...needless to say, some safe wallets were dusted off for this playground.
Yes, it's known that an 80% receiver is able to be sold with no licensing or shipping restrictions, and can be machined by the person who purchased it, for a completely legal firearm.
You're saying that this method is similar. It is nothing more than 2 blocks of aluminum (almost like the 80%), and requires some assembly before it can be used (just like the 80%).
You're saying that this method is similar. It is nothing more than 2 blocks of aluminum (almost like the 80%), and requires some assembly before it can be used (just like the 80%).
Look at the first google result for 'AR receiver blanks'.
Do you know if there are pistol blanks available too? I don't need an AR but it would be cool to make a pistol.
BTW: Where have you been? I haven't seen you post for a looong time.
Yes, it's known that an 80% receiver is able to be sold with no licensing or shipping restrictions, and can be machined by the person who purchased it, for a completely legal firearm.
You're saying that this method is similar. It is nothing more than 2 blocks of aluminum (almost like the 80%), and requires some assembly before it can be used (just like the 80%).
You're saying that this method is similar. It is nothing more than 2 blocks of aluminum (almost like the 80%), and requires some assembly before it can be used (just like the 80%).
Look at the first google result for 'AR receiver blanks'.
Yes, it's known that an 80% receiver is able to be sold with no licensing or shipping restrictions, and can be machined by the person who purchased it, for a completely legal firearm.
You're saying that this method is similar. It is nothing more than 2 blocks of aluminum (almost like the 80%), and requires some assembly before it can be used (just like the 80%).
You're saying that this method is similar. It is nothing more than 2 blocks of aluminum (almost like the 80%), and requires some assembly before it can be used (just like the 80%).
itt: bitcoin people that don't know gun law
I sincerely doubt selling them in pieces as a kit gives you any more of a legitimate defense than a "build-a-bomb" kit, or selling government secrets but with two documents available with each containing half the letters of words to make up the "whole" document. "Well, there are no secrets -- it just says 'Rnl Raa kld hmef n 18 bt ws rpae wt a coe md ot o crbad' on one, and 'oad egn ile isl 92 u a elcd ih ln ae u f ador" on the other,' so there's obviously no state secrets there."
For the sake of minimal obfuscation, I'd want at least two separate LLCs owned by unique people. LLC A makes one half. LLC B makes the other half. You can only own one of those. Don't reference each other anywhere on the sites.
IANAL... but you should really try reaching out to lawyers to double-check if you haven't already, because this could easily be hard time.
For the sake of minimal obfuscation, I'd want at least two separate LLCs owned by unique people. LLC A makes one half. LLC B makes the other half. You can only own one of those. Don't reference each other anywhere on the sites.
IANAL... but you should really try reaching out to lawyers to double-check if you haven't already, because this could easily be hard time.
I know people who have shipped entire (read the whole freaking rifle) AR-15s through the mail and not got in trouble. Its not illegal to even sell the entire receiver, I just have to have it shipped specially (to a dealer).
I sincerely doubt selling them in pieces as a kit gives you any more of a legitimate defense than a "build-a-bomb" kit, or selling government secrets but with two documents available with each containing half the letters of words to make up the "whole" document. "Well, there are no secrets -- it just says 'Rnl Raa kld hmef n 18 bt ws rpae wt a coe md ot o crbad' on one, and 'oad egn ile isl 92 u a elcd ih ln ae u f ador" on the other,' so there's obviously no state secrets there."
For the sake of minimal obfuscation, I'd want at least two separate LLCs owned by unique people. LLC A makes one half. LLC B makes the other half. You can only own one of those. Don't reference each other anywhere on the sites.
IANAL... but you should really try reaching out to lawyers to double-check if you haven't already, because this could easily be hard time.
ETA: They see me derpin'.
For the sake of minimal obfuscation, I'd want at least two separate LLCs owned by unique people. LLC A makes one half. LLC B makes the other half. You can only own one of those. Don't reference each other anywhere on the sites.
IANAL... but you should really try reaching out to lawyers to double-check if you haven't already, because this could easily be hard time.
ETA: They see me derpin'.
I smell coffee and donuts.
BAFTE compliant in most of the US, my man.
I smell coffee and donuts.
Not much of an AR15 fan, but you've certainly perked my interest. Upload those pics
Sign me up as for two, pending some pics for us. What kind of manufacturing tolerances will there be from spec? Finished? Anodized?
They are made out of aluminum, so they will be much stronger than the plastic ones most people are selling.
The receiver is sold in two halves, and the halves bolt together to form a complete receiver.
The receiver is sold in two halves, and the halves bolt together to form a complete receiver.
I'd be interested in seeing the finished lower. Keep us updated with pics, I'm sure people would be all over this. I might be depending on the quality.
I'm also interested. Sounds like a really great product, just let me know how it turns out, and pics/vids are always welcome! 
I'd be interested in seeing the finished lower. Keep us updated with pics, I'm sure people would be all over this. I might be depending on the quality.
I am in the processing of designing and building AR 15 lower receivers. They are made out of aluminum, so they will be much stronger than the plastic ones most people are selling.
The receiver is sold in two halves, and the halves bolt together to form a complete receiver. Since I am selling a non functioning receiver (a paperweight) its perfectly legal to make, and ship.
The aluminum is about $50, so I will be selling them for BTC1.0 (open to offers.)
You can pre-order one for the cost of the aluminum, and pay the rest when it ships.
The receiver is sold in two halves, and the halves bolt together to form a complete receiver. Since I am selling a non functioning receiver (a paperweight) its perfectly legal to make, and ship.
The aluminum is about $50, so I will be selling them for BTC1.0 (open to offers.)
You can pre-order one for the cost of the aluminum, and pay the rest when it ships.
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