Topic: Are Africans being "helped" to much? (Read 743 times)

Bulgaria and romania first world, gotcha.

Looks we found the base of the problem lmao.


Yes i agree, education in spain seems to be terrible.

Base on what I heard and saw in the news I think yes afracan need our help.Ive never been in Africa but what I saw in the news people are so malnurist from infant to an old people.
We must help african poor people,like an other people adopt the child and help them to survive.give some food ,clothes.
As I know you can donate to the foundation who help african people.share what ever you can share.

Its not the reality even though you might think so, also healthcare and education are quite bad in many 1st world countries, romania, bulgaria but even in Spain, i had an appointment with my cardiologist in 7 months from now, i had to go to a private one.

There are certain things that are true that most of them go to these third world countries as a savior and that will make them feel better and the amount of respect they get if they do any social activities and feed their own egos but i am not sure how they are still looting them, most of these third world countries who does have natural resources are under organized crime syndicate and they loot them and i am not sure any specific country is behind any of those loots, individuals or groups are behind the loot most of the time, if you have a different opinion regarding that, let us debate about it. 

Read my first post to you again.

People choose to be homeless else fucking social welfare pays them a home.

This is a fact in modern first world nations.


Young and old people who cannot afford to pay for themself can use social welfare and instantly get an appartment/house.

This is reality in all western and northern european states (it seems spain would count as a southern european nation which does not provide this)

You can usually get food but not a home, although a lot of people do get homes here for free, not all of them do, why do you think they are homeless people then if they can simply get a home through social welfare? A lot of old people are getting thrown out of their homes here because they can't pay, do you think they wanted that? They worked their whole life to get thrown out, there are numerous stories about it.

First of all, I don't think that Africa needs any help from the outside. Any type of aid, be it in the form of food, medicines or even weapons will just make the Africans enslaved and addicted to more and more handouts. And I strongly suspect that this is the real intention behind all this "help" being dished out to the natives of the African continent.

A few decades back, the entire continent was under the control of colonial forces (France, Great Fruitain, Portugal.etc). Now there is no direct colonial control being exerted by these colonial powers, but most of the countries are under their indirect control. In many of the cases, the elected presidents were toppled by the ex-colonial powers because they were perceived to be hostile to them. When that was not possible, arms and ammunition were given to the rebel groups, in order to destabilize the government. What happening in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) is a perfect example to this.

Almost every country in the continent is politically unstable. And civil wars are ongoing in many of these territories. Global powerhouses such as the US, France, China, and UK have shown preference to some of the sides that are taking part in these conflicts. For example, in Sudan the Arabs are being supported by countries such as China and Russia, while the Nilotics are being supported by the Europeans. The big prize is the rich oil fields that are located near the Sudan-South Sudan border.

There is only one way to end this mayhem. The inflow of weapons should be stopped and outside intervention by non-African powers must be prevented. African Union peacekeepers must be used to maintain law and order in those countries affected by civil war.

It reminds me a lottery. If the poor person won a lottery, he becomes rich only for some period. If he gets money, he doesn't think how to increase his capital, but how to spend it. And in a while this person becomes poor again🙄
Easy money is not lasting happiness.

I think it is high time Africans needed to raise up to faces their challenges themselves and  not waiting for some 'white messiahs' to save them.

Corruption exists everywhere.

It still doesnt reject the reality that you can instantly get food or a home via social welfare if you cannot afford it in the first world.

No, it seems that you refuse to look at reality, you are one of those people who think all homeless people are lazy and that's why they are homeless, spain is full of corruption just like many other 1st world countries, political parties steal hundreds of millions here, wake the fuck up bro.

Doesnt spain has social securities?

I.e. if you are cant afford a home in germany you just go the office for social welfare and get a appartment fully paid with everything you need to live - basically no questions asked.

Seems spain is not part of the first world then or you are posting fake news.

What a load of crap. In spain many families are thrown out of their houses : https://www.lasexta.com/programas/mas-vale-tarde/noticias/desahuciados-con-mas-de-70-anos-seguimos-sin-tener-una-ley-en-espana-que-garantice-el-derecho-a-la-vivienda_201809255baa6d7b0cf22905f4d3b147.html

If you need translation, the title literally says, Spain still has no law that guarantees the right to a house. The old couple didn't have enough money to pay the rent and couldn't do anything at 70 years old, they were thrown out of their home, you actually think they chose to? This is not one case either, it happened hundreds of times. Wake up.

Starving because you are poor doesnt exists in the first world.

Its basically a requirement for being first world.

Being homeless in western and northern europe is not possible either, only if you choose yourself to be homeless.

Countries can't even help themselves imagine having to help a whole continent far away that has far more problems. Is the poverty rate zero in America or Europe? Of course not, do we not have people dying here? Do we not have children starving? We do, clearly in lower rates but we do, how is it possible that in a 1st world country children are still dying from not eating, how do we still have people without houses? Yes I know some of them do not deserve them but there are far too many that do and have or had jobs and still can't pay for them.

because macedonians arent agricultural

Indeed. But now, they try to focus more in Africa in order to show socially responsible.
The money that they spend for African regions are nothing compared to the profits that they earn. They just do it for their image and their social responsibility strategy.

One major problem africa faces are economic policies from industry nations, especially recarding agriculture.

In the last few decades africas agriculture economy was basically wiped from the map via imports of subsidized agriculture products from the EU and the USA.

Its impossible for them to compete with cheap products from europe and the us which are getting subsidies.

This lead to massive unemployment because majority of africans were working in - you guess it - agriculture.

Today we can see the results of this in the amounts of refugees and immigrants from africa.


This is total bullshit and widely known, but no changes are made because the agriculture lobby has enourmous power and billions of $ are on the stake.


Give a man a fish and he has food for 1 day.

Give a man a fishing rod and he can feed himself until he dies.

Just in this case we are giving the man a broken fishing rod which is also poisoned with toxic materials.

Corporations don't want goal isn't to lift Africans out of poverty, they love how their cheap labor brings them a large amount of profit.  Its really sad but this a dog eat dog world, you have to be skeptical of the charities that supposedly help AFrica as well.  A lot of these charities use most of their budget to fund their own high salaries.

It is not true. Why don't agricultural countries like Macedonia make as many children as Africans? The people of many countries around the world have been making money by farming, but only Africans are breeding too much. Because underdeveloped countries have been trying to gain superiority by multiplying their populations. Therefore, I find it absurd that European countries donate food and money to Africans or Arabs. People who is living in these countries must be educated by governments about birth control and deal with problem themselves.

thats not true, in reality africa has to beg the so called "developed markets" to be allowed to sell them something,

if the developed countries would focus on ressource extraction from russia canada and artic there would be wilderness again in africa and no one would live there anymore.

I really do not understand what you mean sir. I see that in the media the propaganda about the poverty and the state of helplessness of Africa citizens are too high but I believe Africa are rich people just that their riches is been taken to the developed countries that claim to help them.

Why do people think governments are magic and can just "take care of" people and all sorts of things?

Screw the government, take care of your damn self, quit appealing to a government to take care of you..

If you want a government, it is up to the people to take care of the government, not the other way around..
If the people don't take care of the government then the government cant take care of anything and will just cause more problems..

Take care of yourself, then when you get that down you can think about taking care of a government next.. If the people can't even take care of themselves then how in the hell are they supposed to take care of a government?

If the people want foreign aid because they can't take care of themselves, then they should also want us to run their government for them so you know, maybe it will work..


As far as wealth, "a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush"..
All the gold in the world in the ground isn't worth squat unless you can figure out how to get it out and turn it into something profitable, or coal, lithium, oil, whatever you have in the ground.
Go get that shit out of the ground and take care of yourselves, or do you need us to do that for you too?
Oh no, that would be "robbing" africa to profitably help them extract their resources right? We ain't doing that shit for free..
No way I am going to go half way around the world to some violent shithole where I might get killed by a horde of savages to help them extract their resources for free.. Maybe for $100k in my pocket per 8 month tour working on hostile foreign wellpads, or I ain't doing it..
You have the internet, figure it out..

Want Halliburton or Schlumberger to come provide equiptment, show you how, and get you set up?
Do you realize what that equiptment costs? Do you realize how much it cost them to gain the knowledge to do it? This stuff costs massive amounts of money few can wrap their heads around and very hard long dangerous work from employees few men have ever experienced..
We are going to make serious money doing it or we aren't going to do it..
If you think that is stealing then you just don't think and your shit will stay right in the ground..

Foreign aid allows the smallfolk to survive just enough to not rebel but still not enough to empower them. Not to mention it frees up more money for the government to loot. If all aid is cutoff the government would have to provide more basic care lest the people rebel. If they keep stealing and let the people starve, well you know what they say about grumbling bellies.

The French Revolution was in part due to famine. These countries just need their Bastille moment AND have them resolve it themselves without foreign intervention.

Good luck with that though.

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governments and corporations everywhere in the world where and are and will stay corrupt, except you create an algorytmic robot government

I’d have to agree here. There is a massive corruption problem in Africa, the people in government who are corrupt are insanely wealthy from being corrupt.

Foreign aid also is just diverted to government corruption as well

I think left to their own, this is how animals react to such environment. More offspring more chances some will survive into adulthood. This was also the case in Europe before and to some extent in the Asia-Pacific.

As standards of living go up, birthrate goes down since you are now expected to send those kids to college, you can't easily evade tax anymore if you earn enough money to send them to college, etc. Despite relaxing the One Child Policy, the CCP found out that people are just not that excited to have enough kids to keep their population above replacement level.

What is racist about stating the truth? I invite you to check the IQ statistics per country.
These days when you say something uncomfortable you're automatically labelled. Stating that Jews have significant influence over international media and banking, which is true, will make them call you an anti-semite. Saying that the average African is not as smart as the average European is racist, and so on. Suddenly when I say that a penis of an average african is longer than the one of the average european it's all fine. When I state that black men are usually taller and stronger than asians it's all fine, but when you say that asians are smarter than blacks you're suddenly racist.


Should we be concerned? The mortality was being taken into account in these regions and for that reason an average woman in Nigeria has 5 children while an average woman in Europe has less than 2. We should rather ask why they're conceiving 5 or 6 children if they barely can feed one. A smart parent thinks about these things, a dumb parent doesn't care.

isnt high child mortality and small life span integral parts of islamic and tribal and even christian lifestyle?

I think Africans are being helped to much... not too much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DySciepA3yU

 

Africans are not poor as perceived by majority people in the world. The continent of Africa is blessed with alot of resources but I think the problem is effective utilization of these resources which are abundant in their natural state. Poor leadership and a sense of direction has made people think Africans are poor.

"Not much has changed"

This is just in the last 70 years.

https://publish.twitter.com/?query=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fcountcarbon%2Fstatus%2F1126055688180989952&widget=Tweet

Unless you count children surviving to be "not much"

Stupid guy just hurt himself. Arnie barely felt it.   But yes, just leave them alone. Stop all aid, close the borders and let them sort it out.


Even AIDS barely make a dent.




+1 I think I've read a similar sentiment from this book, just haven't skimmed through it to confirm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4aBFDhWpP8
Problem is, would the "democratic" Western governments and multinational companies allow that when they benefit from this arrangement?

Many developed nations are build with African wealth and I see what is happening to African nations and the under-development as injustice and human wickness to each other. It is time for Africa nations to start seeing themselves as equal to other race and that will eliminate the type of mindset they have.

About the only way we could help Africa is to run their governments for them and help the economy by starting and running business there where they can be employed but they won't let us do that so it's a no-win situation..

they breed because they are agicultural soviety their children are the workforce on their farms, thats a doom cycle that breaks together every 30 years.

jes i think this lunatic showed us that we are threating africans wrong, help them continously will not solve any problems,

40 years ago africans wanted just food,

today they want lambos for themselves and their grandfather.

muslims were 100% right humans are nothing divine.

we westerners should admit that the muslims were right.

I personally wouldn't say the whole of Africa should be judged by a single video of one person being an asshole. If that was the case, the US should be criticized the most, because all the videos of people being assholes. 

I've read some pretty good reports about how companies that are trying to start on the African continent can't grow due to the amount of charity/aid that is being sent to Africa in the name of helping people.

Think about this sort of situation: You start a company in Africa that makes shoes, handmade, and you're doing pretty good. Not selling the shoes for too much, but enough for you to begin expanding the operations of the business. You go ahead and hire two employees and buy a sewing machine to cut costs and manufacture shoes faster.

But wait -- the US government just sent over hundreds of thousands of shoes to your city, no one is going to buy your shoes when they can get shoes for free. You're entire business and livelihood have been destroyed by charity, as you're unable to compete with free.

Businesses can't thrive in an environment where 'free' is the cost for some goods. You're unable to innovate and develop a stable economy with this constant influx of free goods from other countries trying to be kind to you.

Would probably be better for this not to happen at all, and just let the countries in Africa develop their goods and their economy.

You should've include the CORRUPT government. there's a lot of help coming from around the world(which I think is too much) which is given to the government.
decades have past and nothing changed. I know it will be hard but a total change of governance will help them a lot.

I don't think that we help people in Africa to much.
In my opinion, we don't help them in the right way.
We shouldn't send help to the governments but to individual people in order to help them to create the foundation for their personal life.
I personally helping a african girl to finish school and I think this is the best way to help, personally and directly, avoiding corruption of governments and organizations.

As education goes up, specifically female education, birth rates go down.  If you live in an agricultural setting, it makes survival and financial sense to have many children but you can't even learn if you are sick or hungry so food and water systems have to be maintained first and foremost.

There is a racist post

I think IMF want to give loans so that in future they can further exploit this continent.
Overpopulation is a big issue and that is amplified by uneducated people. they elect and reelect the corrupt government that further exploit the country.

But the people who ruling there kept them at this stage until now,when they are struggling too hard to survive each day of their life then how they can think about getting studied or changing the condition of their nature.

I totally agree, if these people are hungry now, why do they breed a lot? Helping them with food or money will not solve this problem. If they don't want to be hungry, they have to use condom.

+1

You hit the nail on the head.

West needs to cut all help to Africa.  All. 

Once you do that, all corrupted politicians will leave or be killed by their own citizens.  As it is now, they wait for IMF loans, then divert them to offshore accounts they control while the poor folks continue to suffer.

They have enough resources to support themselves.

The root cause of 99% of the issues that the Africans face today is the uncontrolled population explosion. People are afraid to say this truth, because they will be branded as racists. The Africans need more IUDs and condoms. Sending food aid is not a permanent solution. Are we going to send the food aid (in increasing amounts every year) for the next 1,000 years?

There were a lot of money drowned in Africa and not much has changed. I think that the most basic reason why they are underdeveloped is lack of education and the overall low IQ in these region. Think about it. It doesn't matter how much money you'll give to an idiot, he'll lose it anyway and eventually be poor again.
Not all of Africa is poor and not all Africans are poor. It's just that there's more dumb and lazy people there than in other parts of the world.

Do you just use this video where a lunatic fringe hits Arnold Schwarzenegger as a basics to raise a topic to describe Africans. We see people (both black or white)attack superstars and celebrities some on stage, football pitch, movie set etc.
That video is of no significant and from what the guy was shouting you would know he is either a lunatic or someone seeking fame or popularity knowing his action  would go viral.
And beside we all need help no man is an island we all need some one for a collective universal growth no matter our race

but if we buy the ressources in russia and north america and australia africans become even poorer

Most people go to Africa to be "white saviors" and not to actually help but to feel better about themselves and virtue signal on social media.  We are actually still robbing Africa so we should be helping them by paying them back and no longer exploiting resources from the continent or determining who their leaders are, what their borders are, etc.

is the continous

"we are helping africa" attitute of non africans causing behavior like this among young africans?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jh4ejHmB6Q

should they be threated differently?

not as helper but simply as businesspartners?

regards