Topic: Are any of you guys are winning with probably fair games? (Read 481 times)

If you're winning big in a probably fair casino game, you say the house will somehow turn that around to profit, but like in probably fair games it's supposed to be transparent (in theory)?

I think every gambler doesn't really think about whether a gambling game is fair or not, what is in their mind is that they understand how to play it and can make a profit from it and they continue to play with the skills they have. I think the way the gambling system works in my opinion is very fair in this case, at least if we want to play cards like blackjack and poker I think this game is quite fair and just, when we play the game we need a little skill in playing the game, and a little luck in playing the game. When we control the game, if we are right, we will definitely win the bet.

We must understand that we don't have bigger chance to win in gambling and we only gives our money to casino when we loses. Casino which have good reputation will not trying to cheat their members because that will makes the casino be bad and casino will lose their members. Even if we can say that the casino is fair, we will still difficult to wins the games even if that games is provably fair because gambling will not gives us big chances to make money.

We must realizes that gambling is not a way to makes money but only for have fun. We don't have to try hard to wins the gambling games instead just enjoy our time to playing gambling so we don't have to lose much money. But we can still wins, especially if our luck comes in the right time so we can gets some money from gambling. But that doesn't mean we can wins many times as in gambling, we must knows how to limits ourselves if we don't wants to lose much money after we wins.

Provably fair games as the name suggest are games that should be fair. There are couple of provably fair games out there and it would be best if you picked out one yourself by trying out a couple of them and finding out the one you understand the most and likely stick to it depending on your preference.
Personally I believe all gambling games are luck dependent and the only difference between the different gambling activities is the level to which luck contributes to be able to achieve a win. Sone gambling activities are more of analysis and calculations Which can also contribute to the gamblers level of experience over time.

Yes we're winning, the only problem is that most of the time it's not a lot money in those wins and those wins are sometimes also lost in the gambling as well because we are gamblers and we all needed that fix. Even if they say that their games are fair and all, it doesn't matter because they're a business after all and they really need to make sure that even if it's fair to you, they're still going to be the one that's on top and they need to embody the very thing that matters the most which is that "the house always wins".

All what you said is truth is hard to specified any game to be Fair different people with the tactics they use to play gambling is so critical that one can specify any ad fair what favour Mr A may not be for Mr B , the way you play the game and it favour you make it fair, I have been playing some game now, I discover all game is almost the same player has less chance of winning all wining is mostly in luck and in this kind of situation is hard to know which one is fair.

A provably fair system is good but you should write at the back of your mind that casinos these days are using it for advertisement. Many provably fair games are not so but a piece of a lie, so you should be careful about that because you will hardly see a casino these days that will tell you that their games are not provably fair, some will even try to prove it for you, but still, it is not so. So dealing with the right casinos, especially the reputable and popular ones is a very good way to go in this context.

That said, you can try Stake.com for this. I have not seen a casino or heard of such that has more probably fair games than Stake.

Actually I am a little ambiguous when discussing fairness because after all when talking about fairness then indeed I think it is not very suitable when talking about gambling because even though in the scheme we know that the game is clean but in the end the final result is clear we all realize where the bookie still wins and indeed it does not fit the concept of fairness in my opinion so looking for a game of fairness in gambling I think we must know a lot of games that are sure the settings have been arranged in such a way as to make us win and then immediately lose

But for sportsbooks maybe it can be done because however although sometimes there are also some conditions where justice is questioned but for big matches it seems that it is still possible for us to do because in my opinion match fixing is only for bets on small and not too famous matches so this can be a justice where the game becomes clean in the sportsbook.

When it comes on dealing with casino based games then provably fairness is something that you would really be needing to check upon but if we do speak about sports betting and card games which its strategic then this is something that you wont really be that needing.. Winning or not then this isnt something that you would really be having in mind so that you wont really be that putting up yourself into such desperate condition or manner.  The key on here is that if you dont really like to experience some headache then it would really be always best that you should be sticking into those known and popular platforms on which you could really be able to assure that you are on the right place.

So far as gambling is concerned, no type of game is fair enough as all are based on luck and risks so whichever one you choose to engage in, just play responsibly and don't feel like you could win all the time so it's just left for you to decide the type of gambling that will be convenient for you to play. Provably fair games also involves luck so don't think the games will always be fair enough.

Ofcourse we can't beat the casino sites because they are designed in such a way that even if the system is provably fair then we won't be able to win in the long run because of the house edge.
You must already be knowing how the house edge works due to which we eventually keep losing no matter what we do.
Provably fair system is just a way to verify that the bet we are doing is not manipulated.

That's how these games are set up and the house edge is always there. I think if someone doesn't trust websites with their RNG, reverting to sports betting is a good way to ensure that results can be verified and odds can be assessed by the players themselves whether they think they got an edge there or not. I have got the same feeling in the past that when you play roulette or dice you always think that it is impossible for a number to be lower than X again for the 8th time in a row, but that is still quite subjective.

However, this was one reason why I mostly prefer sports betting or any game where I do at least have some influence on the outcome, like playing poker. Although some might argue that poker platforms are full of bots and the RNG might still be rigged, which in theory is of course possible. Hence if I put my bets on a football game like Real Madrid vs. Dortmund, I know that 99.9% the game can't be rigged. It could be fixed, but highly unlikely as I can still see the game with my own eyes and verify for myself whether the referee and the players have done the best job possible.

I agree, but gambling is a lot of different directions, and in each of them luck affects the game in different ways. And in many of these areas, the skills of the game can become decisive in the game:
the betting - skill of prediction strongly affects the outcome of the bet.
Card games (poker, blackjack) are also available.
Casino: roulette, slots - skills have no effect, only pure luck.

Skills, let alone strategy, are actually not very useful in games with a possibly fair system, I am one of those people who don't believe in a possibly fair system even though I can verify my seeds, in fact not many gamblers win and beat the dealer, in the end the dealer will always win, especially not. There are also casinos that go bankrupt because the game system that uses a system may be fair in their games, it is clearly impossible, basically winning depends on how we use the mindset correctly.

I'm sure that almost all casino games where we play against the dealer will definitely be difficult to win, that's why many people who aim to gamble want to win actually feel disappointed by the defeat they experience so that in the end they become addicted because they don't control their emotions, there are many games that might be fair but actually it makes more sense to bet because for me it is much fairer than other casino games, it all comes back to each person's views and most importantly use a healthier mindset.

I am always of the opinion that gambling depends heavily on luck and just a little bit of skill. You know that before you play a game, you must understand the rules of the game and some principles that can help you win, but you are not really certain that those principles are going to make you win unless luck prevails. Understanding the principles of the game will give you a hint of how to play well and prevent you from being foolhardy, but winning is not still guaranteed. That's to say that gambling is based on luck, mostly, and just a little skill.

I rarely play probably fair games ever since live games existed. Although probably fair games is open source which means you can verify fairness, sometimes you can’t still trust them 100% especially if you don’t know how the code works. Probably fair games are the old version of casino games since they are basic games like plinko, dice, limbo and other game which you can find on the original category of the casino.


This games is still like the other gambling games which skills is not required since the game is completely luck based. It’s always based on luck in able to win on this game.

Skills are not much involved in "provably fair" games and so winning such games does not guarantee that you will win the same way again in the future.
No matter what strategy you try, you won't be able to stay consistent in it as provable fair games depends more on luck.
So if you have a good luck then you can just pick any of the provably fair games and test your luck in them.

All gambling games are based on luck including sports gambling, at some point we might feel our knowledge in sport betting would guarantee our continues win from the games, but unfortunately even 1.0 odds could make the entire result from the game to be lost. As long as it's predictions we make, it's luck we are depending on except in cases were Its a know fact out side gambling, but as long as gamble is concerned it's all luck. We often believe casinos aren't fair enough when we are at the loosing side and that could be true because the house is always on the wining side, the programmed games can be very difficult to predict because there is no way to compare the possibility of anything happing in there as all code aren't open source.

It's provably fair, ensuring the randomness of the results, which is obviously for the game of luck, for example, dice.

You just need to verify the served seed that is provided before each bet and the client seed that is provided at the end of every bet, so with the provably fair verification tools you can verify the results are random or tampered in anyway by the casino.

Server seed (provided by the site)

Client seed (provided by your browser and adjusted by you)

Nonce (A number that increases with each bet you make)

You will get an encrypted hash of the server seed from the site in advance, so there is no way for the site to change it afterwards. It is, however, encrypted and you cannot calculate your own roll results in advance (only after you change your seed).
As far as client seed goes, your browser will generate a random client seed. You can adjust your own client seed if you want to make sure the site does not know your client seed in advance.
Nonce is the number that increases by 1 with every bet you make. Nonce can either start from 0 or 1, it depends on the website.

https://www.provablyfair.me/verify-bets/
https://www.btcgosu.com/tools/provably-fair-verifier/

that kind of luck game is like that. but it always becomes interesting when we feel closer to victory. Isn't that what gamblers always feel when playing games of luck? The hope is high to win but the odds will not be as we hope.

casinos are considered fair when they pay out our winnings. there is no cheating in games that are already programmed. If you want a bet that you can see the results of then you have to bet on sports betting.

It's probably fair that we don't bet against a system and don't be arrogant in front of a casino because with a programmed system, a coincidence seems rare, it's all just the house's plan, and like regular casinos, the equipment, tools and skills of the house are too professional, someone who lacks qualifications in this field like us will be fooled. It's better to socialize with friends we already know, but of course, it's difficult to talk about fairness when everyone's skills and familiarity with gambling are different, luck is also on the list and it is difficult to balance these independent factors

In a game of luck there's no skills involved, just knowing how to play the game is already enough. If there is a house edge which certainly what we are discussing here, it would be unrealistic if we believe that we can win with our skills, that's not gonna happen. OP just asking if we are winning in prob(v)ably games, and the answer is yes, because its winnable but all of us still loses in the long run.

For game of luck, it's enough to verify that games are transparent, but at the same time, we should also understand that even  if games are transparent, the house edge still dictate our winning chances, which is lower than 50% all the time.

The only difference between what we could call "classic gambling" from provably fair gambling is how the latter offers a mechanism in which there is a way for you to independently proof the casino is not cheating in order to get more money out of you.
Gambling, regardless it is provably fair or not, will be always about luck and not much about skill, in the most of the games.

I personally encourage people to try some provably fair games in their gambling sessions and learn how to use their seed to check the fairness of the game they are partaking in.
In stake, for example, they have they own selection of provably fair games which were done and designed by themselves for people who like either dices, Plinko, mines... you call it. It is called "Stake's originals".
My favorite is dices and blackjack, though I have not had much luck with dices and just moderate luck with blackjack.

anyways. I wish as technology advances people will learn how to check their games and seeds, so the baseless accusations of scams by reputable casinos decrease.

What is your understanding about probably fair games? Maybe you can give an example of the games along with the casino so you can get better responses.
However, whether it is provably fair or probably fair, game of luck will always depending on your own luck.
You can win when you are lucky and you can lose when you are on your bad luck time.
How about skills? What kind of skill you are referring to? Skill to play the game to make you have bigger chance to win or other skills?

I don't usually care about fair games on my previous bets because I only play and then exit but if there really are that kind of fair games then we would be happy if anyone would share it here if they don't mind it. I've been looking for game like that but it's hard to tell not unless experienced gamblers will share their thoughts on it.

As long as you don't stop right after a loss, there will be a time that you will get lucky, except only if you are sticking on a scam casino of course. Provably fair games are normal in crypto because I think it is related with the blockchain. I don't have a deep knowledge about it but what I only know is that we can verify our results by pasting some values in a box, while if you mean about the games, then they are the same with other casino games where all you need to do is to place a bet, push that button and watch how the action goes in your screen.

Honestly provably fair games are not capable of bringing any changes in my gambling activities; I mean I am facing same kind of loses at the end of the day. Moreover, there are no specific games to start since the goal in gambling is only to enjoy but you can go on what you truly like the most. Good Luck .

Probably fair games are basically the house game of most casino. I play this occasionally when I want quick game version blackjack since it is fast game compared to the live games blackjack version

I do play dice before to farm wager when I have an early profit and doesn’t want to risk more to secure profit.


Probably fair games are pure random code to the randomness set by the code so definitely base on luck alone.

First,  believe some other users much have pointed out this error, but then, let's correct it again, it's "provably fair" not "probably fair" as you termed it.
Though I understand that sometimes, our keyboard like to have a mind of their own, but you must always re-read what you typed before clicking the post button to avoid such errors.

Mostly every game, casino or slot games are termed as provably fair by casinos that have this system in place, but before you proceed to playing this games, you have to first of all understand what provably fair means..
And based on my own understanding, provably fair can be referred to as a gaming system that is built to make winning and or losing in a game; fair for everyone playing that game, that is, winning is fair for the player, and the casino.

And yeah, provably fair games are mostly luck dependent, which means, you need luck on your side to win, slot and casino games are a good example, and some skilled based games too.
I have many of such games I am playing, but I can't recommend any at the moment.

Provably fair is an algorithm, not games.

Not all games are using provably fair system, usually in house games use this, which is lucky based games.

Can we win in lucky based games? nope, this games has house edge, you will not able to beat the house in the long run. Hoping to win in lucky based games is just like a dream, even you hit the jackpot, you might be in loss if you spend more than what you earn.

Maybe we don't know what fair means because basically everyone has their own view of what fair gambling is like, so it's also very difficult if fair means we have to equalize fair according to the casino, maybe they have their own view.

I agree that the chances of losing are far greater than winning, the fact is also that the defeat is far more than the victory, whether it's playing against the house, playing based on skill and others too, so fair is where for a gambler only ourselves can see that, without blaming the casino for acting unfairly to its customers, although there are some that can be manipulated I just simply avoid the casino and will never play there after it is proven that they cheat on their customers.

This explains the words provably fair, (which I think what you imply).

https://www.provably.com/


You can verify it so you can ensure that casinos are not cheating you. The tip here is very simple, don't play with games that are not "provably fair" because they might cheat you and you'll never gonna win at all.

True!, it is a system where one can check whether the outcome of the game is manipulated or not.  I believe the provably game is first heard in a forum in the year 2012 but it was implemented in the late 2000[1].  The given link below simply show how the provably fair game work thus answer on how someone will verify if the game is provably fair.

@OP most reputable crypto casinos have provably fair games which can be verified through the hashes given on each bet we made.  So if you are looking for provably fair games then you can just look at the list of casinos that are acknowledged by the many members of this forum as reputable which can be seen on this thread created by Pmalaek : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.56883071

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[1] https://coinsbench.com/provably-fair-system-a-guide-to-fair-and-transparent-online-gaming-c5faa1e5f1da

They also have the house edge, so the question is if we are winning. The answer is very simple: sometimes we win, but most of the time we lose. That's how it works in gambling, which is why the trend is that casinos are growing because they are profitable, while the majority of gamblers are losing money.

Game of luck, this is what we call it, and that provably fair system ensures that we can trust the game is fair.

Maybe the question here is how to verify if the game is provably fair.

That's what I thought so, It is a game that has no manipulations and cheating involved and some gamblers participate in this kind of gambling when they want to win fairly by the use of their luck and skills.

Yeah right, thanks for the tips and advice, Everyone's aware that we should use the money that we can afford to lose only and always be attentive and vigilant because there's a lot of scams casino site nowadays.

If you gamble at a reputable casino, you will find the games are "provably fair" and will not cheat you. Reputable casinos maintain their reputation and will provide good service for all their games. Usually, I only play slot games but never think about it because I gamble at the casinos on this forum. That's enough for me and I don't need to think about anything because I gamble at a well-known and reputable casino. But we need luck to be lucky and if we lose, it's not because of the casino's fault or the casino cheated us but because we didn't have luck in gambling.

The only fair games I know related to gambling are sports betting. Yes, it sounds surprising, but I really think so. What I mean? What I'm saying is that by making any bet you can immediately see how your teams played and if you were right, then you will win. This is not an online casino where the program will automatically leave the casino in the black no matter what you do. In sports betting, for example, you bet on Barcelona in the game against Juventus and immediately turning on the TV you can honestly check whether your bet worked. Everything else, in my opinion, is aimed at making the player lose much more than he earned.
I want to emphasize that this is only my opinion and everyone makes conclusions and choices solely for themselves.
Wisdom to all and God bless you!

Yes, that is just it. We can play game at anywhere even without using money. If money or anything valuable is not involved but just playing the game for nothing more than entertaining yourselves, provably fair is not what to look for in the game as the chance of you people to win is 50:50. Unlike casinos games that 50:50 percentage chance game will favour the casino like casino 60:40 to you. Also if you are gambling with someone and not casino, provably fear is not also talked about in such game unless the person is acting like a casino and have advantages against you just like as it is in casinos.

Very correct answer.

In fact, I don't really understand the question OP raised. I mean, fair as that defines it. or, fair with what kind of game evidence we can present as the basis for this question. The problem is, as we agree, every game has been designed in such a way by the developer and casino according to the system they use and implement. Anyway, I'm speaking from a layman's perspective regarding what fair play looks like. As far as I know, casino games have been designed in such a way for its users. Likewise with other bets, for example sports. I had difficulty proving fairness in this admission, so I captured the points as you mean in this post. It has been claimed that this may be related to fraud and manipulation, unfortunately how can we prove it. Maybe, there are members here who can respond to the OP's thread with their knowledge. because, for me, a game is a game, which means there are wins and losses. Whatever the gambling, there are only two consequences in gambling, losing and winning. Apart from that, what I know is based on my experience. In gambling there is risk, I mean that the ratio of losing is higher than the probability of winning. This doesn't mean that casinos are cheating, especially ones that have a trustworthy reputation. as for things being unfair, perhaps the OP should review the casino and question its reputation. Unfortunately, it is difficult for us to prove that unless fraud occurs. So we agree that it is more ideal to consider gambling as entertainment, but responsibility is needed so as not to cause something enjoyable to become very detrimental, meaning losing due to lack of responsibility and self-control.

Actually, I feel quite conflicted because of the concepts given, but in my experience, fairness is based on one's own decision.

For me, the odds of winning in any type of betting are always lower than the odds of losing. Before, I participated in a game related to online over/under. I always thought everything was fair until I learned about the manipulation of players. own when they can choose the winning/losing side and can deposit money to balance the betting side then earn profit. In general, it's fun and not too fond of these types of games, but in most forms of gambling, fairness is like luxury.

Well, I play any game regardless of it being marketed as a provably fair game or not.

The reality is wherever you're skilled or not, you'll still need a bunch of luck per win you make. I am winning more with sports betting than of casino games and other type of games that mostly rely on luck.

While you can have a better chance there because you need to work on your choosing before you place a bet. But still, you're probably going to say "luck, please come with me".

We both win and lose, that's how it usually goes in gambling. I think no gambling game depends solely and exclusively on luck or skills, it's good to know how the game works and have at least some strategy in your head, but again without a little luck, it's hard to win at any gambling game.

I think each of us had nice wins playing in-house games, but no one wins all the time, so each of us has experienced heavy losses as well. Playing with high stakes can be dangerous, and long-losing streaks can appear at any moment. Anyway, we can't know if we will win if don't try it.
Good luck to all players.

Casino is not the only place to game. As a mater of fact you can play at any place, for instance in someone house, in his narrow circle, thus withing that circle the game should be such a kind, that could exclude manipulation by its own nature. Chess could be an example of such game. That is what I meant to say.

It is called provably fair game. Take it or you leave it. Edit: In addition, I have not heard of probably fair game before. There is nothing called probably fair game.

It depends on luck and not skills. If a game is a provably fair game, it means the casino is not manipulating with the game except the house edge. It has a way some gamblers can know the fairness of a game.

In my view the provably fair are kind of games which depend solely on skills rather than on luck.

Probably the chess could be considered as one of the available  instances of such games.

I'm plaing sometimes  for keeps  with few participants,  putting on the line not too much, twenty or fifty,  to the end that  my chess skills were   not go off.

As for “honest” games, it is hardly worth it to focus on them. Of course, games should be honest. But when there is a conversation about honesty, it always means possible fraud. For example, in the game Dais, players are often suspected of online casino of fraud. Players say that casino uses fraudulent programs to increase its chances of winning. Although in fact, when it comes to absolutely random games, the casino does not make sense to deceive. The player will still lose, because in any random game the chances are not on his side.

Basically both probably and provably fair games does exist although the most popular one is the provably fair game. Provably fair games are games which can be verified, means that we can verify the result so there is no way for the house to control the result as they wish. Probably fair games, on the other side, it is game where there is no way for players to verify the result. Does it mean that probably fair game is bad, of course not because it will depend on the house.

I had such a hard time understanding what this thread was about when I saw the title, until you pointed it out. Perhaps the OP should also edit the title because it's confusing. Most casinos claim that their games are provably fair, but the truth is that due to the house edge, the scale is always tipping in favor of the casino, their business model is set up that way in order for them to be profitable. That's why it's extremely important to gamble responsibly, because the chances are never exactly 50/50, but slighly off at our expense.

As long as you are gambling against the house while the house has an advantage against you, it is not called skilled based. That is what I am implying and it is correct.

If you are gambling against each other and the casino is only providing the game just like Poker Player posted, that is skill based just like what he meant as in poker player.


My explanation are straight forward and you do not need to get it mixed up. You are right about this. I have not played poker before but I was just using it as an example just like roulette, blackjack, baccarat, dice and other casino games. But you should understand my point that if you are gambling against the house, it is not skill based as you are more prone to losses.

Although you are right but there are different types of poker, you will play Hold'em poker against the house. The first poker I had conversation in on this forum was Texas Hold'em on Stake.

I find it hard to understand what you are saying here, as it seems to me you got all mixed you. When you play poker you play against other players and whether you win or lose, in the long run, depends mainly on your skill. But the casino makes money regardless of what you do, because it takes a commission on every pot (except the ones where you don't get to see the flop, usually).

So, you are skilled at poker and you make money: the casino also makes money because it takes a commission on the pots.

You are not skilled and you lose money: the casino also wins because it takes commission from the pots.

In casino games it is a different story.

Well, the thing is, there are no such pair games. It's because gambling games require luck, but of course there's gambling games that will involve your skills, knowledge, and how you will outsmart your opponent. For me, card gambling games are the best option in order for you to secure major winnings. It's because card games can have luck, but with your skills and knowledge, you can pick the right move or whether to push through or not, like black jack, poker, and many more. Just avoid those games that are purely on luck, like slots, roulette, you know what I mean, and there are many more games out there that will be more thrilling if you can outsmart your opponent. I think you should search for those gambling games also that will be suitable for you, because for me cars gambling games is the best and more reasonable gambling games.

Whatever trick they use like "provably fair" games, we will still end up losing in the long run. Do keep that in mind. The house edge will be the one defeating us and you can bet that it will not be taken away or else there will be no online gambling business that is running.
I mean, think about it, if there's really a chance to make a profit out of gambling by playing long then I'd be ready to let my computer be awake 24/7 but that's not possible which is why we just depend on one lucky shot that would change everything and that includes getting back the money we lost and some profits.

I don't care losing or winning so long as it's probably fair then I feel safer. Losing is more natural when gambling on sng game with a house edge. So while I of course enjoy winning more money overall, I won't be blaming the system behind the game. Of course if the outcomes are pre-determined the casino can't cheat on you by fumbling the odds each time you bet big.

Moreover it's also easy to think that provably fair isn't helping the player, but imagine the potential consequences playing on a non fair game. The casino could just make you lose when you are about to blow your balance on a risky bet and you'd have absolutely no way to prove it. Better safe than sorry really.

There is no fair game if you always think negatively about the casino or any game you play then you lose and feel that someone might have cheated to make us lose, sara think such thoughts must be eliminated first, if talking about games maybe you need to play skill-based games, because it will depend on how you play, so it will be said to be a fair game because everything depends on your ability.

But if you are looking for a fair game on slot games, of course it will be very difficult to believe that slot games are fair because most of us must have lost, and or someone's experience and way of playing is different which allows victory and defeat faster, like me with the way I play at Gate Olympus feels that so far the game is very fair, while there are other people who say that Gate Olympus is never fair, then who should be believed in a situation like this, even though we are basically in the same casino.

That you lose money to a casino in a skill-based game does not always mean that you are not skilled at it; what it can mean too is that you are not skilled enough to beat the casino. But because even the most skilled cannot boast of a consistent advantage over a casino whenever they play a skill-based game, the argument skill has some room for continuance.

Skills in gambling will be more evident when it is a game played between players, where it is possible for the most skilled to win continuously, and the casino gets commissions for each game played by players. Casinos need to win too, which is why, regardless of your skill level, as long as it is a game against the house, you must lose at some point for them to win.

Yes most of us do win but what probably fair means isn't what you think it means, the odds are still stacked against you and with a provably fair thing on a game, it just makes you see the odds or that you have a way of analyzing the odds and see that they weren't being fair. Kind of like making the games' codes like an open source so people can see that there's nothing there that's making you lose but the odds of the game. Most people do win but big wins are as rare as those games that's not provably fair.

What we should look for is whether the casino is fair and there is no cheating? Because this is the most important thing while for the game it is luck and the right owner will be the real winner the player cannot fight the casino house owner.

I think all games are the same actually luck determines whether you will win or not, but look for a casino with a good reputation so you will not hesitate to play there, but don't think slot games, crashes, dice, plinko are fair with skills you can win of course this is not.

Such games are highly luck dependent and cannot be regarded as such that is supposed to be really for fun and not to make money as making money based on luck doesn't make sense especially not with anything gambling related as it will most definitely not make sense as it should , just having fun  with such game remains the best and if eventually you get to win one of the games then you assume it you were Lucky and see it to that.

Gambling shouldn't be done with the sole purpose and aim to make money as that way may cost you a whole lot and if you are emotionally attached to the game, you may proceed to addiction without really knowing and thinking it's just still you loving the game.

It is not just your own take but that is how it is. Let us say you really know how to play blackjack but when it comes to you and casino, the casino is making money from you. So what is the skill in what you know how to do but you are losing money or coins to casinos. That literarily means the person is not skillful at it. The more someone spend in gambling, the more likely the person will lose. We should not misrepresent luck as skill.

Exactly.

Right, still the loss is ours while the casino house is always the winner. But it’s still a good thing that if you chose to gamble, prefer on those kind of games where cheating is less likely to happen, so that there will be higher chances for you to profit somehow. Most especially if you gamble with luck on your side, as majority of gambling games are luck based, then you’ll definitely make it big even with your small funds.

Back when freebitcoin still offer provably fair games (not sure if they still do I just stopped playing their games years ago) I would play their hi-lo game which is provably fair in all senses of the word. I would be able to bag a couple dollar’s worth of wins but eventually I’d lose it all either through a massive one-hit loss or through cumulative losses I incur over the course of my playtime. I feel like this is the sane case/situation for every other player who’s had a chance to play provably fair games, you win, you lose it all.

Given that setting, I could say I win games when I’m playing but at the same time I lose more than I gain so it’s not like I really win anything so to speak. But that’s okay. I don’t go gambling thinking I could make a living out of it anyway, let alone assume I could just win willy-nilly especially with games like that.

I don't really get the whole skillful talk when it comes to gamblers because  from what I gather and even with all my experience I don't actually believe that the word skillful have much importance when playing gambling be it any type of games well that's for my take and everyone can have their different opinions too for me I purely believe it's all luck base and probably with the experience you had gotten from previous session that can actually lead to your decision making when gambling.

It is gambling. The skills would be for winning and making profit but the casinos and betting sites are making money from gamblers. In slots and dice, some people use strategies which they are also learning more about. That can be called skills also but skills in the presence of what is taking money from you. There are no skills in it. I prefer the word 'skills' to be used in something someone is good at like he or she is born with it. Like something someone is exceptionally excellent at. If you are exceptionally good in gambling, that means you are exceptionally making money from it and the casino is losing money for you to profit. That means you are skilled in gambling. But can that be true? I do not think so.

Probably fair(PF) games, as the name implies, is a technology deployed to develop games that do not give undue advantage to the gambler or the casino. It leverages the features of blockchain technology to develop a system that cannot be rigged so that there will not be a case of cheating by the casino like many people complain about dubious platforms. There is no game built separately with for the probably fair technology, rather the normal games we have in every casino can be built with such technology as PF is just a technology deployed to bring some transparency and by extension trust to the casino business. Most of the popular casino games you know such as Plinko, Dice, Roulette, etc are games that are developed using the probly fair technology. Although it is possible some dubious casinos can claim probably fair games whereas there is more than meet the eyes. You can get all you need about probably fair technology in this post.

Some probably fair games are entirely based on luck while in some, there is a mixture of skill and luck, it is up to the gambler to study the sequence and take advantage of same.

No,no gambling games against a house could be based on skills, the house could quickly fall otherwise. Only PvP games aka social games could  allow that. So provably fair games are also games of chance, except you can easily check if they are rigged, or prevent any cheating to be possible by using some schemes involving custom client seeds for example.

I saw “fiat” and went to search for it thinking it was a new terminology without realizing that you corrected the “probably”.

@Op, the last deposit I made in my account got my up to x5 initially but after trying a few games (the site was new to me so I just made the deposit to see how things works in it) but after moving to other games and increasing my stake I lost everything.

In provably fair games I don’t think skills apply to them - to me I feel it’s based off entirely on luck, games like poker and sports betting could be skills but for the likes of slots, dice, etc they are not skill-based games.

It is called provably fair games, not probably fair games.

Provably fair games means the games that can be proved of no cheating or manipulation. You can see such games on reputed casino sites.

But do not forget that no matter how provably fair casino games are, they are designed in a way the casino will earn more money from gamblers. Gamble responsibly with the amount of money that you can afford to lose.

I'm currently searching for probably fair games and how they work. Are you guys playing this? If so, which games do you recommend?

Probably fair games, do they depend solely and exclusively on luck or on skills too?