Are athletes also becoming problem gamblers?

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Quote from: Woodie on September 04, 2021, 03:47:42 PM

For me if this statement was to be true I would say there is a possibility of match fixing if these games they gamble on included the games they themselves play in otherwise this is up for debate until proven guilty. But looking at the charts i would honestly say these guys do not have any involvement in how government is currently run.

I've heard that there's this rule for esports players that they're setting for themselves to avoid gambling especially for their match and any of their teammates match.

I think the same for athletes, if they gamble, they should not be involve with that match so that there will be no connection if they win. It's complicated but if an athlete do gamble, it is their decision and habit not on us.

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Wealthy and top earning athletes had the tendency of playing gambling for their lifetime if they had huge amount of money from their career as a sports personally. Mostly, they don't care for the money they used to gamble because of huge quantities but when it comes to addiction it's by case to case basis.
We're dealing with attitude here, addiction will fall to those who can't control themselves and letting the situation made them slaves of gambling.

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AFAIK, there are athletes' policies and one of them commonly is about gambling restrictions for them.
I am not sure if it is in any kind of athletes or for all athletes, but commonly they are restricted for gambling and will get punishment.
as in based on the policies, they probably will not gamble (by using their own name and do it directly).
However, we don't know them personally.
They may not recognize that he played gambling. And we can't prove it. But we don't know if they really don't do gambling or not.
Because it could be that they already have their own way to safely play gambling and betting.
However, I hope they still adhere to the policy that is there for them. Unless it's not a problem and it's not in the policy athlete, it might not matter if it will be gambling or not.

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Quote from: uneng on September 03, 2021, 12:35:15 PM

Accordingly to this article, athletes are more prone to developing gambling addiction than another individuals: Athletes and problem gambling: what do you need to know?

They present the following reasons to justify potential levels of addiction among players and athletes:

I don't know but i just don't believe that most of the points that you have listed as a reason are really true or based on facts. For example the statement that athletes are more prone to become addicted to gambling because they have a high IQ. I am pretty sure that this statement is true in 2 ways. First i would say that people with a high IQ are not as prone to become gambling addicts as people with a low IQ. Secondly i don't think that atletes have a higher than average IQ.

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For me if this statement was to be true I would say there is a possibility of match fixing if these games they gamble on included the games they themselves play in otherwise this is up for debate until proven guilty. But looking at the charts i would honestly say these guys do not have any involvement in how government is currently run.

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Quote from: Slow death on September 04, 2021, 02:57:38 PM

this is the first time i know that the professional gamers i see so much on tv and social media are people more likely to enter the world of gambling addiction, honestly i can't see the logic of how this is possible, i don't understand What would a rich guy who had a brilliant career in the sports world become addicted to gambling? why? if he can easily have a lot of fun in any corner of the world because he has money then why would a rich sportsman be turning into a gambling addict? I can not understand

You can also read up here more.

https://rehabs.com/blog/8-pro-athletes-with-outrageous-gambling-addictions/
https://www.sportscasting.com/which-pro-athlete-had-the-worst-gambling-addiction-ever/

These are pro athletes which does have worst gambling addiction.

These are popular athletes and there are lesser-known athletes and athletes who play online they are of huge numbers and they are part of big people who become addicted to money because they have the money to spend for gambling, athletes are people who earn a substantial amount of money and this is one of the temptations of having a lot of money you want more and you are daring because you have a risk driven personality.

Not only in gambling but also in other things as well on where you do know that you do have money to spend then its just basic that you would determine on doing things that you do want.

Whenever you do set your foot into gambling field then chances of spending high loads or tons of money would be high.You should be aware before you do play about risk of becoming an addict.
Gambling addiction doesnt really mind off no matter what reputation or popularity do you had because effects would be just similar to those casual or ordinary joes.

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Quote from: Fatunad on September 04, 2021, 03:25:30 PM

Quote from: Slow death on September 04, 2021, 02:57:38 PM

this is the first time i know that the professional gamers i see so much on tv and social media are people more likely to enter the world of gambling addiction, honestly i can't see the logic of how this is possible, i don't understand What would a rich guy who had a brilliant career in the sports world become addicted to gambling? why? if he can easily have a lot of fun in any corner of the world because he has money then why would a rich sportsman be turning into a gambling addict? I can not understand

You can also read up here more.

https://rehabs.com/blog/8-pro-athletes-with-outrageous-gambling-addictions/
https://www.sportscasting.com/which-pro-athlete-had-the-worst-gambling-addiction-ever/

These are pro athletes which does have worst gambling addiction.

These are popular athletes and there are lesser-known athletes and athletes who play online they are of huge numbers and they are part of big people who become addicted to money because they have the money to spend for gambling, athletes are people who earn a substantial amount of money and this is one of the temptations of having a lot of money you want more and you are daring because you have a risk driven personality.

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Quote from: uneng on September 03, 2021, 12:35:15 PM

Or is it just bullshit and another attempt of distancing gambling sponsors from sports' industry? What do you think? Share your opinion, please.

We both know that everyone has the potential to become addicted to gambling even if it's just for fun at first. The financial strength of sports athletes allows them to gamble uncontrollably in a single session so their frustration will arise when they desperately want to recover from losses. We already know a lot about famous sports athletes who are addicted to gambling, addicted to alcohol to the point of ruining their reputations and careers. This is actually not nonsense because gambling addiction can strike anyone when they have made gambling more than just entertainment.

Athletes for the most part live a life of excesses, since not only they have money but also fame this makes them feel invincible as if they are capable of doing whatever they want, this is why so many of them develop addictions of all kind like alcohol, drugs, sex, and of course gambling, it is very rare that a person which is a professional athlete can deal with and escape the traps of success, which I why we see so many of them facing bankruptcy just a few years after they retire.

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Quote from: Slow death on September 04, 2021, 02:57:38 PM

this is the first time i know that the professional gamers i see so much on tv and social media are people more likely to enter the world of gambling addiction, honestly i can't see the logic of how this is possible, i don't understand What would a rich guy who had a brilliant career in the sports world become addicted to gambling? why? if he can easily have a lot of fun in any corner of the world because he has money then why would a rich sportsman be turning into a gambling addict? I can not understand

You can also read up here more.

https://rehabs.com/blog/8-pro-athletes-with-outrageous-gambling-addictions/
https://www.sportscasting.com/which-pro-athlete-had-the-worst-gambling-addiction-ever/

These are pro athletes which does have worst gambling addiction.

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Quote from: nakamura12 on September 04, 2021, 12:31:00 PM

You could say it like that but it's not just players or athletes are prone to becoming a gambling addict. We all know that there are many gambling addicts and most of it are non athletic people and yet they are having problems of being a gambling addict and wants to stop the urge to gamble but seems can't do it alone and needed help to do it either from family or friends who will support. Even some celebrities are gambling. It is about their character and if that athlete have lots of money to spend then athletes are also like that.

^ Because they can simply divert their attention to the practice mode when they are not busy in a real-life or don't have work. So it is really impossible for the athletes that get involved in addiction. One of the reasons why people get addicted to gambling is because they can afford what they can lose but someday when they don't have enough funds to gamble and everything of their wealth has been sold because of gambling, that is really a huge problem that they don't ever forget on their whole life. That is why we should always be open to our family about what we are doing every day for example in gambling, if you are addicted, there is someone who will give advice.

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this is the first time i know that the professional gamers i see so much on tv and social media are people more likely to enter the world of gambling addiction, honestly i can't see the logic of how this is possible, i don't understand What would a rich guy who had a brilliant career in the sports world become addicted to gambling? why? if he can easily have a lot of fun in any corner of the world because he has money then why would a rich sportsman be turning into a gambling addict? I can not understand

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Quote from: Oshosondy on September 04, 2021, 01:17:02 PM

Quote from: uneng on September 03, 2021, 12:35:15 PM

Accordingly to this article, athletes are more prone to developing gambling addiction than another individuals

Anyone that is exosed to gambling can develop addiction but both athletes and normal individual that are not engaging in sport can develop gambling addiction while people that are not exposed to sport and all those games like casinos, pokers and many like that are not even gambling not to talk of getting addicted. Irrespective of the person being an athlete or doing any other sport or game, he should know the pros and cons of gambling, especially doing all things to make surehe do not fall more to the cons side, he should know gambling too much is not advisable, also that using more than amount budgeted for it is the start of gambling addiction, anyone can fall into addiction trap, we must just make use we are conscious about it and not following the ways that will lead us to too much gambling that will later lead to gambling addiction irrespective of being an athlete or not.

Gambling does not leave anyone right? either it might be an athlete or a boxer or any audience out there at the stadium. Skills of an athlete or any other player is tested? Will these friendly bets or gambling not pressurize the players and divert them from playing out a real match with concentration? Gambling dominates the any game or the players? Addiction can divert anyone from reality. But nothing can be changed.

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Quote from: uneng on September 03, 2021, 12:35:15 PM

Accordingly to this article, athletes are more prone to developing gambling addiction than another individuals

Anyone that is exosed to gambling can develop addiction but both athletes and normal individual that are not engaging in sport can develop gambling addiction while people that are not exposed to sport and all those games like casinos, pokers and many like that are not even gambling not to talk of getting addicted. Irrespective of the person being an athlete or doing any other sport or game, he should know the pros and cons of gambling, especially doing all things to make surehe do not fall more to the cons side, he should know gambling too much is not advisable, also that using more than amount budgeted for it is the start of gambling addiction, anyone can fall into addiction trap, we must just make use we are conscious about it and not following the ways that will lead us to too much gambling that will later lead to gambling addiction irrespective of being an athlete or not.

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You could say it like that but it's not just players or athletes are prone to becoming a gambling addict. We all know that there are many gambling addicts and most of it are non athletic people and yet they are having problems of being a gambling addict and wants to stop the urge to gamble but seems can't do it alone and needed help to do it either from family or friends who will support. Even some celebrities are gambling. It is about their character and if that athlete have lots of money to spend then athletes are also like that.

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When a person has the money to spend, some just don't know what to do with it. Buying just about anything they see becomes normal and sometimes int ogambling.
Michael Jordan seems to be the most famous athlete that also developed the gambling problem, we have heard him on the news over and over since he is very much famous since the 90s. One of the highest-paid player in the history of NBA.

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Quote from: aioc on September 04, 2021, 09:42:59 AM

It's on the athlete's character not on being an athlete, if they have a history of being reckless and risktaker and since they have the means, they can become addict to gambling, the temptation of person to become an addict is not on his profession, there are notorious celebrity gamblers and politicians, these athletes are popular and people tend to generalize athletes when they see many athletes into gambling but if you look on the overall figure other sectors and profession have their shares of gambling addiction

Big part of this influence is its own characteristic, majority may be affected since there's already inside that's attached to these vices.
Though there are also chances that it's because of social life, athletes who think that because they already have a huge amount of money, they can just spend it on whatever they desire, and for those who land on gambling business addiction is not impossible.

Once suffered from huge losses, the chance to keep playing back is there.
Athletes are also human being, what inside an ordinary gambling addicted person can happen as well with them.

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Just as everyone here would say, everyone has equal chances of being addicted to gambling, be it for fun or if they want to earn from gambling. Then again, I really think the reason why Athletes fall victim to gambling addiction isn't about their competitive drive, but because of the apparent feeling that they can earn all their losses back anyway. This goes especially for highly paid athletes such as Michael Jordan who literally lost $6 million in a single gambling session, prompting him to receive alleged sanctions from the NBA. Sadly, not all highly-paid gamblers are as fortunate like him to have solid backup plans in the form of sneaker partnerships.

Quote from: Cling18 on September 04, 2021, 06:59:17 AM

As for me, athletes aren't just the ones who could possibly get addicted to gambling. Well, most of them are also busy with their chosen sports and they mostly don't have enough time to gamble. I guess there's just a small percentage of athletes who gamble. Those athletes need to control and discipline themselves so they could manage their money properly.

I think it's a matter of who's headline-worthy to expose of being a chronic gambler, you wouldn't bat an eye for a not-so-well-known athlete to be exposed of gambling, since they don't hold so much presence anyway to produce any impact to the public, but if we were to see MJ or Rafael Nadal beating the headlines because of chronic gambling, people will literally go nuts all over it. So for me I think athletes and regular people like us have the same tendencies to be addicted to gambling, just that they have a lot more going for them compared to us.

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It's on the athlete's character not on being an athlete, if they have a history of being reckless and risktaker and since they have the means, they can become addict to gambling, the temptation of person to become an addict is not on his profession, there are notorious celebrity gamblers and politicians, these athletes are popular and people tend to generalize athletes when they see many athletes into gambling but if you look on the overall figure other sectors and profession have their shares of gambling addiction

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Quote from: uneng on September 03, 2021, 12:35:15 PM

It's not a secret many popular athletes had or still have issues with gambling addiction during their lifetime, which prejudiced their personal lives and careers. Is the mentioned competitive spirit a double edge sword, which helps the athlete to improve his performance, but at same time lead him to an insatiable desire for winnings that may end in a frustrated attempt of beating the casinos?

When you have that much money that an athlete does, there is always a time that they will think of spending their money into gambling since there will be times that they will think that they don't know where to spend their money with.

Many got addicted, many successfully recovered from it, many just stopped gambling after few losses and the worse is there are some that ruined their whole life and career just because of gambling.

Even I don't think an athlete who has a lot of money to spend their money on gambling even though this is clearly a fatal loss if he can't choose quickly it will be even worse what one imagines, but as far as I know an athlete will very rarely get addicted in this case.

Gambling can get worse if it's emotional, but if this is done casually then it won't be a problem because of course they enjoy this just for fun but if you want to spend money faster I don't think it's a good thing to do like this.

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Quote from: uneng on September 03, 2021, 12:35:15 PM

It's not a secret many popular athletes had or still have issues with gambling addiction during their lifetime, which prejudiced their personal lives and careers. Is the mentioned competitive spirit a double edge sword, which helps the athlete to improve his performance, but at same time lead him to an insatiable desire for winnings that may end in a frustrated attempt of beating the casinos?

When you have that much money that an athlete does, there is always a time that they will think of spending their money into gambling since there will be times that they will think that they don't know where to spend their money with.

Many got addicted, many successfully recovered from it, many just stopped gambling after few losses and the worse is there are some that ruined their whole life and career just because of gambling.

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I guess the athletes already have knowledge how does gambling sports work out so they are more likely to know and getting encouraged to try this we know that known players have a huge amount of wages on different teams they want to bet it's just part of their entertainment. But still gambling is gambling it took too much risk if we got addicted on this kind of habit. Once you have a lot of money its too hard to waste them all unless you got conscious you already losing tons of it.

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Quote from: Cling18 on September 04, 2021, 06:59:17 AM

As for me, athletes aren't just the ones who could possibly get addicted to gambling. Well, most of them are also busy with their chosen sports and they mostly don't have enough time to gamble. I guess there's just a small percentage of athletes who gamble. Those athletes need to control and discipline themselves so they could manage their money properly.

^ This is what I am thinking, how they will involve themself in gambling if they are so busy of being practice, their whole life is on the activity that they like. Athletes are don't have time for any entertainment if they had free time, they will keep going practice and practice especially if the event is near to come for the competition. However, they are also prone to gambling addictivity but it is probably 10% of them. They need to focus on what game they expert so that they will not lose when there is competition come.

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As for me, athletes aren't just the ones who could possibly get addicted to gambling. Well, most of them are also busy with their chosen sports and they mostly don't have enough time to gamble. I guess there's just a small percentage of athletes who gamble. Those athletes need to control and discipline themselves so they could manage their money properly.

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Quote from: uneng on September 03, 2021, 12:35:15 PM

Accordingly to this article, athletes are more prone to developing gambling addiction than another individuals: Athletes and problem gambling: what do you need to know?

They present the following reasons to justify potential levels of addiction among players and athletes:

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Players and athletes are technically more prone to gambling addiction due to the signs of compulsive gambling like winning expectations, energy levels, competitive spirit, and high IQ levels.
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Athletes have higher tendencies of gambling because of their skill set. These people start gambling for the challenges and competitors attached to it but it adds to the risk of getting addicted over time.
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The competitive spirit and potential have led the athletes to gamble in multiple forms. Along with these comes an additional addiction to alcohol and drugs. Gambling helps them financially and is highly lucrative. The cycle of addiction begins with wanting to get back what is lost which leads to more losses or wins and so on.
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In the case of a normal person, after losing money in gambling, he might want to move to safer ways that would eventually help to recover his losses. Whereas, among athletes, it is a sense of superiority and power, and thus winning is the only option for them as they do not like defeat. More money is invested into gambling, and it goes on. This is where their addiction begins.

It's not a secret many popular athletes had or still have issues with gambling addiction during their lifetime, which prejudiced their personal lives and careers. Is the mentioned competitive spirit a double edge sword, which helps the athlete to improve his performance, but at same time lead him to an insatiable desire for winnings that may end in a frustrated attempt of beating the casinos?

Or is it just bullshit and another attempt of distancing gambling sponsors from sports' industry? What do you think? Share your opinion, please.

The only thing I find reason why they are prone to become more prone to be addicted gambler its because they mostly got a high salary and some other players are involve with casino so provably this one can trigger there addiction unto this. But I think this is rarely happen now since most of the high paid athletes have financial manager so I thimk there addiction will be controlled since someone is watching their finances.

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All of us are prone to a gambling addiction but athletes have shown signs that they are willing to take the risk of gambling with huge money Jordan, Tigerwoods and other high profile athletes can bet millions of dollars and they have no remorse in doing this, they have the money and the means to sustain this, the only thing that leads them to gamble is they have the money, not their competitive spirit, all gamblers have competitive spirits but they cannot sustain their game, athletes who get paid handsomely have the means.

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the first three qoutes might be present on most athetes and this makes them to gamble but this doesnt increse their chances of winning .
another thing that makes athelete gamble more than the regular individual is that they earn huge amount of money and they dont worry whenever they loose because they can made it again .
lots of athetes are in the media before because many of them got caught gambing and some are in severe addiction .

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I disagree.

As you've mentioned, athletes has high IQ, meaning compare to normal gamblers, they are the ones who are literate when it comes on how gambling works, furthermore, athletes are busy and dedicated to hone their skills even more that's why I doubt that they have time to be addicted in gambling.

The type of people who are prone in gambling addiction are those who are illiterate when it comes to gambling, doesn't have any hobbies to keep themselves busy, that's the most type of gambling addicts you'll see.

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Quote from: uneng on September 03, 2021, 12:35:15 PM

It's not a secret many popular athletes had or still have issues with gambling addiction during their lifetime, which prejudiced their personal lives and careers. Is the mentioned competitive spirit a double edge sword, which helps the athlete to improve his performance, but at same time lead him to an insatiable desire for winnings that may end in a frustrated attempt of beating the casinos?

Or is it just bullshit and another attempt of distancing gambling sponsors from sports' industry? What do you think? Share your opinion, please.

I don't think it's about the athletes. but more to everyone who has more money or asset and is often in a gambling environment. regarding that statement people can make correlation of everything they want . most likely sports athletes is have a fresh mind and have a much stronger motivation than ordinary people. only a few may indeed be addicted to it.

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I know a lot of athletes that's been addicted or lose a lot of money in gambling one of them is Michael Jordan, I really don't think that there's some patterns or relation between athletes and gambling maybe a lot of athletes earns a lot of money and they are known personality that's why they are in news but in reality not only athletes but also celebrities and not know businessman.

I really think all are vulnerable to gambling addiction not just athletes.

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Quote from: uneng on September 03, 2021, 12:35:15 PM

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Players and athletes are technically more prone to gambling addiction due to the signs of compulsive gambling like winning expectations, energy levels, competitive spirit, and high IQ levels.

That's a weird statement to make. Athletes are surely not highly intelligent people. They might be smart and have a good understanding of the sport they play, but for most of their lives, they focused on physical development and not on the mental aspects. And a highly intelligent individual does not become a gambling addict and pisses away his future.

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In the case of a normal person, after losing money in gambling, he might want to move to safer ways that would eventually help to recover his losses. Whereas, among athletes, it is a sense of superiority and power, and thus winning is the only option for them as they do not like defeat. More money is invested into gambling, and it goes on. This is where their addiction begins.

I agree with this. Although, all gambling addicts act in the same way. That does not apply exclusively to athletes. All gambling addicts chase wins and try to recover from losses immediately by making illogical decisions. That's how a bad situations become even worse.

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We all know that athletes, especially if they are famous enough, their lives will be in the media spotlight, and this really causes stress in their lives, every result of the match they get will always be criticized by the media, and gambling which is often also considered as entertainment will bring them to do it, but again can't judge that athletes will becoming problem gamblers, could be why some say that athletes can become problem gamblers just because of references from famous athletes only, so we can't generalize.

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In my opinion, of course, famous athletes who have earned a lot of money are not very well versed in how to spend it. And they can easily make big bets in various gambling games. However, the main reason for sportsmen's addiction to gambling is not their wealth, but character traits. The fact is that the athlete himself can be said to be an initially purposeful person aimed at achieving the highest result in sports. And it is this trait of their character that makes the athlete participate in gambling with great zeal.
In my opinion, this is the main motive for their participation in gambling.

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Quote from: uneng on September 03, 2021, 12:35:15 PM

Accordingly to this article, athletes are more prone to developing gambling addiction than another individuals: Athletes and problem gambling: what do you need to know?

They present the following reasons to justify potential levels of addiction among players and athletes:

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Players and athletes are technically more prone to gambling addiction due to the signs of compulsive gambling like winning expectations, energy levels, competitive spirit, and high IQ levels.
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Athletes have higher tendencies of gambling because of their skill set. These people start gambling for the challenges and competitors attached to it but it adds to the risk of getting addicted over time.
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The competitive spirit and potential have led the athletes to gamble in multiple forms. Along with these comes an additional addiction to alcohol and drugs. Gambling helps them financially and is highly lucrative. The cycle of addiction begins with wanting to get back what is lost which leads to more losses or wins and so on.
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In the case of a normal person, after losing money in gambling, he might want to move to safer ways that would eventually help to recover his losses. Whereas, among athletes, it is a sense of superiority and power, and thus winning is the only option for them as they do not like defeat. More money is invested into gambling, and it goes on. This is where their addiction begins.

It's not a secret many popular athletes had or still have issues with gambling addiction during their lifetime, which prejudiced their personal lives and careers. Is the mentioned competitive spirit a double edge sword, which helps the athlete to improve his performance, but at same time lead him to an insatiable desire for winnings that may end in a frustrated attempt of beating the casinos?

Or is it just bullshit and another attempt of distancing gambling sponsors from sports' industry? What do you think? Share your opinion, please.

The first point seems a little bit strange when it gets to the "High IQ" reference and I am not sure it necessarily applies to athletes. People with a high IQ would naturally be able to see what a futile folly gambling is over the long term and generally be able to avoid it because they understand the simple math, of course there will be some people who defy that logic but hopefully not most. You also mention drugs and alcohol, which goes against what most athletes believe in - the most high intensity sporting professions will require you to be in peak physical form at all times to be competitive, so if you have these addictions it is unlikely that you have gotten very far in that profession. Other things you say might be true, but some of your reasoning seems a bit off.

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Quote from: uneng on September 03, 2021, 12:35:15 PM

Or is it just bullshit and another attempt of distancing gambling sponsors from sports' industry? What do you think? Share your opinion, please.

yeah, maybe. I mean, there are some truth on what they said regarding athletes being more prone to gambling addiction due to their competitive behavior. but then again these athletes are individual with different life values and discipline. them saying that athletes wanting to win because of "it is a sense of superiority and power, and thus winning is the only option for them as they do not like defeat." is just plain bullshit.

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Quote from: uneng on September 03, 2021, 12:35:15 PM

Accordingly to this article, athletes are more prone to developing gambling addiction than another individuals

Sounds like a mental weakness to me. An athlete should be strong both mentally and physically. If she/he gets addicted to alcohol, smoking or gambling (or any other bad habit) that means he/she is not mentally strong to become an athlete.

In other words, these people are not really athletes in the first place. They are pseudo-athletes.

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Quote from: uneng on September 03, 2021, 12:35:15 PM

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Interesting, I hadn't heard this theory, although I don't know if I believe it at all, as others have commented.

I think it would be better supported by serious studies with concrete statistics but it is difficult to carry them out.

Another thing that has not been mentioned and could make athletes more likely to gamble is depending on their background. I think there could be a relation to:

"According to a 2009 Sports Illustrated article, 35% of National Football League (NFL) players are either bankrupt or are under financial stress within two years of retirement and an estimated 60% of National Basketball Association (NBA) players, 78% NFL players, and a large percentage of Major League Baseball (MLB)..."

Many of them come from poor backgrounds, have not had much education, let alone financial education. Suddenly they find themselves with a lot of money and they just know what to spend. They are more emotional than rational people. So, I think just as they are more likely to go bankrupt, they may also be more likely to gamble and get into trouble.

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Their competitiveness and productivity would attract them to gambling but doesn't make them more prone to gambling addiction than others I think any body can be addicted to gambling not just the athletes alone it's more of individual choices and how each one goes about their gambling vices. I just think if gambling quest is not properly managed such persons could get addicted

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Quote from: Rruchi man on September 03, 2021, 09:41:58 PM

For the case of Antonie Walker, he didn't just gamble his fortune away, reports say he had developed a very expensive taste in exotic cars, clothes etc, he liked to hang out in the big and happening places like the casino's and spend some money for show. It was a case of someone who was exposed to so much wealth without the financial capacity to manage it and soon he hit bankruptcy.

Personalities matter a lot, that is, the person you are really before the money comes and the person you become when the money is coming, will determine who you be when the money has come and it is time to manage it. Because of the way money comes in from sports, some athletes without discipline pick up some expensive habits along the way like hanging out in casino's and gambling. When they retire from sports, the lifestyle picked up doesn't retire with them, they continue to visit their favourite places and spend more money in such places like the casino's until it starts becoming a problem to them and their families finances.

So i do not believe that all athletes are prone to becoming problem gamblers, its all a matter of personality.

It's undeniable that many athletes get a high paid salary based on their skills on the game but only few of the athletes know how to manage their money wisely. Though those athletes deserves to treat themselves whatever they wanted from the hard earned they have and expensive cars, luxuries and entertainment like gambling were just one on the list of their expenses. I think the matter of fact that an athletes were competitive and for sure this kind of character will be brought even in gambling activities and they become more aggressive when they lose. I would going to agree with your statement mate that the personality of an athlete will matter in terms of sustaining the wealth that they earned through their career.

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I think I don't agree. I haven't read the whole article, though, because the site asked me to agree to their terms before allowing complete access. Unless a reliable scientific study is conducted in line with this claim, I think I withhold my agreement. I mean, to begin with, how high is the percentage of gamblers among athletes? And among these gamblers, how many of them are actually problematic gamblers? We need hard figures. My observation is that most of the athletes are busy enough to become too enmeshed in gambling.

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Quote from: Dave1 on September 03, 2021, 09:06:56 PM

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on September 03, 2021, 06:22:23 PM

It could be true though, Michael Jordan during the height of his career are gambling and his father's death could be related to gambling as well. Even when they are playing golf with co-players and other wealthy individuals, they put bet on the line, just for the sake of "playing" aka "gambling". And of course, athletes have money to burn, so one way is going out with their friends and families on trip to the Strip and gamble.

When you do have money then you can really think off things just similar into those people who are earning average and since you know that you have tons then betting on something like your hobby against other people
would really be simply called gambling.Im much aware about MJ activity or involvement about gambling which did really make significant impact on his life.

And then we have Antonie Walker of the Boston Celtics, who blew his $100 m salary throughout his NBA career. And there was a story that he and his friends will travel to Las Vegas casinos and gamble, all on him. So when he retires, he doesn't have any money and file for bankruptcy. But now he turns into financial advisor for young and upcoming NBA rookie players.

For the case of Antonie Walker, he didn't just gamble his fortune away, reports say he had developed a very expensive taste in exotic cars, clothes etc, he liked to hang out in the big and happening places like the casino's and spend some money for show. It was a case of someone who was exposed to so much wealth without the financial capacity to manage it and soon he hit bankruptcy.

Personalities matter a lot, that is, the person you are really before the money comes and the person you become when the money is coming, will determine who you be when the money has come and it is time to manage it. Because of the way money comes in from sports, some athletes without discipline pick up some expensive habits along the way like hanging out in casino's and gambling. When they retire from sports, the lifestyle picked up doesn't retire with them, they continue to visit their favourite places and spend more money in such places like the casino's until it starts becoming a problem to them and their families finances.

So i do not believe that all athletes are prone to becoming problem gamblers, its all a matter of personality.

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Oh, they're not 'becoming' problem gamblers. They were always somewhat troubled by the idea of easy money I think.

I think that if you look in the news you'll find no shortage of sporting legends that have gone bankrupt due to gambling and other excesses.

It seems to be a mentality thing - they always want to win and they don't understand that gambling isn't one of the things where the effort you put in actually has an affect on the outcome.

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Quote from: stomachgrowls on September 03, 2021, 06:59:40 PM

Quote from: Yaunfitda on September 03, 2021, 06:22:23 PM

It could be true though, Michael Jordan during the height of his career are gambling and his father's death could be related to gambling as well. Even when they are playing golf with co-players and other wealthy individuals, they put bet on the line, just for the sake of "playing" aka "gambling". And of course, athletes have money to burn, so one way is going out with their friends and families on trip to the Strip and gamble.

When you do have money then you can really think off things just similar into those people who are earning average and since you know that you have tons then betting on something like your hobby against other people
would really be simply called gambling.Im much aware about MJ activity or involvement about gambling which did really make significant impact on his life.

Right, the Michael Jordan vs Charles Barkley golf betting is well documented. $20k-$50k per hole or even $100k? that's not friendly game but gambling itself.

And then we have Antonie Walker of the Boston Celtics, who blew his $100 m salary throughout his NBA career. And there was a story that he and his friends will travel to Las Vegas casinos and gamble, all on him. So when he retires, he doesn't have any money and file for bankruptcy. But now he turns into financial advisor for young and upcoming NBA rookie players.

So yes, athletes has the tendency to gamble and worst become gambling addicts.

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Quote from: timerland on September 03, 2021, 06:59:20 PM

Quote from: uneng on September 03, 2021, 12:35:15 PM

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From what I've seen there is a bit of substance to this claim.

Athletes generally aren't the most financially savvy, nor are they the most emotionally stable.

Plenty of stories of NFL/NBA/MLB players who have gotten bankrupt immediately after retirement because of the stream of money that has stopped flowing in, as well as their compulsive gambling addictions. They're a high risk group for sure.

Yeah, it's well documented that athletes are not really good at protecting their money.

And most of them really throw them all in gambling, because they are emotionally stable and perhaps there's no one behind to help them out on their financials that's why they fall and become a gambling addict.

And when the money stops, majority of them become bankrupt or file for bankruptcy.

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Quote from: stomachgrowls on September 03, 2021, 06:59:40 PM

Quote from: Yaunfitda on September 03, 2021, 06:22:23 PM

It could be true though, Michael Jordan during the height of his career are gambling and his father's death could be related to gambling as well. Even when they are playing golf with co-players and other wealthy individuals, they put bet on the line, just for the sake of "playing" aka "gambling". And of course, athletes have money to burn, so one way is going out with their friends and families on trip to the Strip and gamble.

When you do have money then you can really think off things just similar into those people who are earning average and since you know that you have tons then betting on something like your hobby against other people
would really be simply called gambling.Im much aware about MJ activity or involvement about gambling which did really make significant impact on his life.

Money moves them to what they really want to do. Athletes who's earning decently have that mindset that they can easily earn this money back. The appetite for playing / gambling is more intense than those ordinary gamblers.

Some also might be affected by social lifestyle, thinking that people around gambling business will respect them when they've seen them willing to risk a huge amount of money.

Lots of people to appreciate you inside gambling industry if you can bring more money around.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on September 03, 2021, 06:22:23 PM

It could be true though, Michael Jordan during the height of his career are gambling and his father's death could be related to gambling as well. Even when they are playing golf with co-players and other wealthy individuals, they put bet on the line, just for the sake of "playing" aka "gambling". And of course, athletes have money to burn, so one way is going out with their friends and families on trip to the Strip and gamble.

When you do have money then you can really think off things just similar into those people who are earning average and since you know that you have tons then betting on something like your hobby against other people
would really be simply called gambling.Im much aware about MJ activity or involvement about gambling which did really make significant impact on his life.

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Quote from: uneng on September 03, 2021, 12:35:15 PM

Accordingly to this article, athletes are more prone to developing gambling addiction than another individuals: Athletes and problem gambling: what do you need to know?

They present the following reasons to justify potential levels of addiction among players and athletes:

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Players and athletes are technically more prone to gambling addiction due to the signs of compulsive gambling like winning expectations, energy levels, competitive spirit, and high IQ levels.
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Athletes have higher tendencies of gambling because of their skill set. These people start gambling for the challenges and competitors attached to it but it adds to the risk of getting addicted over time.
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The competitive spirit and potential have led the athletes to gamble in multiple forms. Along with these comes an additional addiction to alcohol and drugs. Gambling helps them financially and is highly lucrative. The cycle of addiction begins with wanting to get back what is lost which leads to more losses or wins and so on.
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In the case of a normal person, after losing money in gambling, he might want to move to safer ways that would eventually help to recover his losses. Whereas, among athletes, it is a sense of superiority and power, and thus winning is the only option for them as they do not like defeat. More money is invested into gambling, and it goes on. This is where their addiction begins.

It's not a secret many popular athletes had or still have issues with gambling addiction during their lifetime, which prejudiced their personal lives and careers. Is the mentioned competitive spirit a double edge sword, which helps the athlete to improve his performance, but at same time lead him to an insatiable desire for winnings that may end in a frustrated attempt of beating the casinos?

Or is it just bullshit and another attempt of distancing gambling sponsors from sports' industry? What do you think? Share your opinion, please.

From what I've seen there is a bit of substance to this claim.

Athletes generally aren't the most financially savvy, nor are they the most emotionally stable.

Plenty of stories of NFL/NBA/MLB players who have gotten bankrupt immediately after retirement because of the stream of money that has stopped flowing in, as well as their compulsive gambling addictions. They're a high risk group for sure.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on September 03, 2021, 06:22:23 PM

It could be true though, Michael Jordan during the height of his career are gambling and his father's death could be related to gambling as well. Even when they are playing golf with co-players and other wealthy individuals, they put bet on the line, just for the sake of "playing" aka "gambling". And of course, athletes have money to burn, so one way is going out with their friends and families on trip to the Strip and gamble.

we can't deny the fact that there are really known athletes that are gamblers themselves. according to this article , these are 8 pro-athletes with outrageous gambling addictions (published this june 2021), not surprising that MJ is always in this list. they have lots of money to burn and gambling addiction is not easy to overcome.

john daly
pete rose
michael jordan
charles barkley
Art Schlichter
Wayne Rooney
Rick Tocchet
Paul Hornung

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It could be true though, Michael Jordan during the height of his career are gambling and his father's death could be related to gambling as well. Even when they are playing golf with co-players and other wealthy individuals, they put bet on the line, just for the sake of "playing" aka "gambling". And of course, athletes have money to burn, so one way is going out with their friends and families on trip to the Strip and gamble.

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This has been an issue for a long time now.

Athletes without the right financial education or support network will generally struggle to manage their finances.

Charles Barkley and Michael Jordan are prime examples that come to mind. If you were a millionaire overnight, you probably don't know what to do with yourself.

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They have the money, they are prone to this one and we all know that some of the athletes are also endorsing gambling casinos so there’s a high possibility that they are into gambling as well. Addiction is too bad for them, it can affect their whole life and might lose focus on being athletes. They should have know how to control their money which I’m sure someone is managing it for them, just be more cautious on their gambling activities to protect their own reputation.

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Quote from: uneng on September 03, 2021, 12:35:15 PM

It's not a secret many popular athletes had or still have issues with gambling addiction during their lifetime, which prejudiced their personal lives and careers. Is the mentioned competitive spirit a double edge sword, which helps the athlete to improve his performance, but at same time lead him to an insatiable desire for winnings that may end in a frustrated attempt of beating the casinos?

From what i understand gambling for a match you are involved is not allowed as you will be able to manipulate the game and if you are caught in some sports there is a possibility that they will be getting a lifetime ban. We have seen many revelations about NBA players having addicted to gambling during their playing days but now a days it is easy to track a player with addiction than it was before.

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Quote from: Zilon on September 03, 2021, 04:53:35 PM

Been an athlete doesn't make one different from every other person in terms of social and economic and sports fantasies. Any one can get addicted it's a matter of how you react to losses during gambling and how you react to your urge to get back what you lost that grows into been an addiction the fact remains anyone can get addicted

You are definitely right on this one on which people arent really different because even he's engage into the the sports itself we do still have some interest on betting into another which we know that we do have
money then we can bet out as much we we want and like.Therefore, they could really be also gambling addicts just like everyone else because addiction is something that cant really be avoided
if you arent aware on your actions about dealing with gambling then you would really be having some addiction problems later on this is why awareness is just common on each person.

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Quote from: Zilon on September 03, 2021, 04:53:35 PM

Been an athlete doesn't make one different from every other person in terms of social and economic and sports fantasies. Any one can get addicted it's a matter of how you react to losses during gambling and how you react to your urge to get back what you lost that grows into been an addiction the fact remains anyone can get addicted

And since they are already engaged in gambling in real life, they are somewhat prone to this. They might be in addiction but their level is was not so high compared to others. I mean, they don't gamble every day that's what I thought but they can possibly bet a huge amount when they are gambling. But I think they know how to control themselves doing this and they don't just let their life ruined. As they are in training, they somewhat forget about it, unlike those people who make gambling their living.

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Been an athlete doesn't make one different from every other person in terms of social and economic and sports fantasies. Any one can get addicted it's a matter of how you react to losses during gambling and how you react to your urge to get back what you lost that grows into been an addiction the fact remains anyone can get addicted

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Gambling addiction can be attributed to anyone whether you're ordinary player or athletes. Athletes has higher tendencies to gamble more than normal gamblers which is very obvious. Gambling is a game of luck that also need good knowledge in sports or the kind of bets one is gambling about. Athletes has more opportunities to make more gamble than an ordinary gamblers because of the vast knowledge in sport.

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Quote from: dothebeats on September 03, 2021, 01:45:15 PM

Well, if they have the connections, they would surely get hooked into gambling. While not all athletes are earning a handsome amount from what they do, a lot of them are still tempted to make a fortune off of gambling because they think they know it so well. Though one thing's for sure, these athletes are not much different from normal folks getting addicted to gambling. It all started as a form of entertainment to us, until such time that they become addicted to it and kept on chasing their losses and bam, the next thing they know is that they are already heavily in debt.

Why would be thinking that they cant really make out some bets? Those are just ordinary folks which does have similar interest or perception towards things and we know that neither they do get involved with
betting or not would really be always a person choice.

Its true that some of them arent really that earning decent but only a few for sure and make considerations on making out some bet to make more? This is really a bad decision unless if you do
make out bets for the sake of entertainment then that wouldnt really be that an issue.

Addiction doesnt choose up on who would be the one to have but it would really be for everybody to those who had excessively engaging through this thing.

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actually if you look at the article you linked in your thread, it's actually just an outline and not only athletes can do this but everyone can do the same thing.
but because here what is underlined is the athlete then this is like tarnishing the norms and the name of the athlete himself who is gambling.
An example that is currently circulating hotly is badminton athletes who are caught gambling online in a country that tarnishes both the name of the athlete and the country they live in.
but on the other hand they (athletes) are also ordinary people who can't stand the temptation of greed, but the problem is that they are public figures who are seen by many people and consciously or not they have to really keep them clean and not get involved in any scandal because if a case like this is exposed, it will certainly cause a polemic and become a hot conversation that leads to the tarnishing of the good name of the athlete, the type of sport he participates in and even the country they live in.

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Well, if they have the connections, they would surely get hooked into gambling. While not all athletes are earning a handsome amount from what they do, a lot of them are still tempted to make a fortune off of gambling because they think they know it so well. Though one thing's for sure, these athletes are not much different from normal folks getting addicted to gambling. It all started as a form of entertainment to us, until such time that they become addicted to it and kept on chasing their losses and bam, the next thing they know is that they are already heavily in debt.

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I think there have been many cases of athletes involved in gambling like in the country where I live because it is only famous in my country so only in my country who knows the news, and various reasons that make them involved in gambling and it is very tarnish the good name of coaches and the field of sports.
and it all starts just for their fun and boredom when there is no tournament or match, and starts just trial and error which eventually continues which makes them addicted, actually what they go through is the same as most people experience and it makes a difference because they are athletes who achievement in the region or country.

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I've heard of those athletes that have serious gambling addiction but they're also like the usual gambler that's having their addiction. I don't think that we have to distinguish them differently just because they're an athlete.

They're also human being that can't resist gambling. So with whatever wealth they have accumulated with their athletic career, they can spend it anywhere they want including gambling.

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I do not think so because that will depend on each athlete because they need to manage their lifestyle and not using their money for something that is not useful for them. But we can not force them to avoid something that looks not useful because when they have money, they can do anything they want and even play gambling. Everything that we do will be like cause and effect so we need to realize by ourselves and think about what we should do. Every people can play gambling but the difference is how we should treat gambling.

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athletes who are involved in gambling are tantamount to tarnishing their own good name, from the reasons you mention it makes sense for an athlete to be involved in gambling.

This news reminds me that a badminton player from Malaysia has forced the Badminton World Federation (BWF) to be involved in this case, because he was caught in an online gambling case, BAM has explained that there is no gambling in any form, it seems that the badminton athlete has a personal debt of $120,000.

I think athletes who are involved in the world of gambling are a factor of habit and a factor of debt.

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Quote from: uneng on September 03, 2021, 12:35:15 PM

Or is it just bullshit and another attempt of distancing gambling sponsors from sports' industry? What do you think? Share your opinion, please.

We both know that everyone has the potential to become addicted to gambling even if it's just for fun at first. The financial strength of sports athletes allows them to gamble uncontrollably in a single session so their frustration will arise when they desperately want to recover from losses. We already know a lot about famous sports athletes who are addicted to gambling, addicted to alcohol to the point of ruining their reputations and careers. This is actually not nonsense because gambling addiction can strike anyone when they have made gambling more than just entertainment.

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Accordingly to this article, athletes are more prone to developing gambling addiction than another individuals: Athletes and problem gambling: what do you need to know?

They present the following reasons to justify potential levels of addiction among players and athletes:

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Players and athletes are technically more prone to gambling addiction due to the signs of compulsive gambling like winning expectations, energy levels, competitive spirit, and high IQ levels.
Quote
Athletes have higher tendencies of gambling because of their skill set. These people start gambling for the challenges and competitors attached to it but it adds to the risk of getting addicted over time.
Quote
The competitive spirit and potential have led the athletes to gamble in multiple forms. Along with these comes an additional addiction to alcohol and drugs. Gambling helps them financially and is highly lucrative. The cycle of addiction begins with wanting to get back what is lost which leads to more losses or wins and so on.
Quote
In the case of a normal person, after losing money in gambling, he might want to move to safer ways that would eventually help to recover his losses. Whereas, among athletes, it is a sense of superiority and power, and thus winning is the only option for them as they do not like defeat. More money is invested into gambling, and it goes on. This is where their addiction begins.

It's not a secret many popular athletes had or still have issues with gambling addiction during their lifetime, which prejudiced their personal lives and careers. Is the mentioned competitive spirit a double edge sword, which helps the athlete to improve his performance, but at same time lead him to an insatiable desire for winnings that may end in a frustrated attempt of beating the casinos?

Or is it just bullshit and another attempt of distancing gambling sponsors from sports' industry? What do you think? Share your opinion, please.

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