Topic: Are bitcoin investors violators? (Read 791 times)

Yeah, that's the perspective that I am saying. But it doesn't mean that it should be followed by these countries that have banned Bitcoin.

They're not that a lot though but those people that are also part of our community and have invested a lot needs to take care of themselves.

We don't know how the laws there are too strict when they've been caught knowing that they're also Bitcoin investors.

How do you define "very illegal"? 
Sure, the legality of Bitcoin depends on the laws in the countries, it can be legal or illegal.
I see nothing wrong with this, we only follow the regulation in our respective countries. Here, it is legal for investment, so we have no problem to invest in Bitcoin. Meanwhile in other countries that it is still illegal (both for investment and payment tool), kindly avoid utilizing Bitcoin because you may get a problem for holding Bitcoin. Just be patient, I assume it should be legal everywhere in the future.

Dude, when you buy Bitcoin, you don' need to get a permission from your government. It is a decentralized asset, there is nothing to do with your government. As long as the regulation in your countries allow Bitcoin investment, it is always okay to buy Bitcoin any time without a permission from your government. You only brake the rules/regulation in your country if it is not allowed in your countries.

By the way, in many countries, we pay for taxes for Bitcoin investment. Even in our local exchanges, we pay for taxes in each transaction in the local exchanges. So, nothing wrong with this, we even give the contribution for the income of our country.

Yeah, you are right. One country has been a prime example in banning Bitcoin is mainland China, not only Bitcoin but all Cryptocurrency, they took that action on 2023 after China's stock market has been sinking for 3 years eventho their reason was to curtail financial crime and prevent economic instability. Highlight the part where I mentioned to "prevent economic instability".

Most countries who hasn't make Bitcoin or Cryptocurrency as legal, they just haven't regulated it yet, and I believe they soon will regulate it. Moreover, if Cryptocurency is illegal in your country, some people open a bank account in different country and buy Cryptocurrency, this action alone is not a crime because such law is only applied in its own territory where the government has the power.

Well Op I don't know where to classify you whether for us or for government who make unnecessary decision and want people to stand by it. If I may ask you, will you stand by a law that prohibit you from succeeding in life simply because  you want to obey someone that is an emermy to your progress? For me any law that is against my success is never to be regarded as anything. Does it mean that op has not disobey government law before? apart from bitcoin. If you ask me I will say this thread is not necessary.

A global outlook doesn't work if the laws within the country of your residence don't allow you to do something. You can't give the excuse that something is legal in other countries or on a global scale when you are caught using it when it's illegal within your country. Suppose your government bans Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies and says using or accessing them is unlawful. In that case, you can't do it unless you can access platforms without regulations and be able to get involved secretly.

Also, if someone had bought Bitcoin or cryptocurrencies when it wasn't illegal and then laws are made and it becomes illegal, you will have to sell your assets if you have them in a centralized exchange because transferring them to a wallet where you wish to store them might get you in trouble because it will get linked with your identity through the centralized exchange you were using.

If you have always had your assets in a non-custodial wallet and the wallet service doesn't get banned, you can probably keep them despite the legal status.

AFAIK, those people that have bought Bitcoin in the countries where it is illegal have bought it first before they made it into and pass a law saying that Bitcoin is illegal.

To be honest, it's your personal finances and even it says that it is prohibited because for some personal reasons of the government, nothing is violated in a global outlook.

As long as we are not doing illegal things and everything we do is aligned to the law of the land then for sure that we are fine and cannot do anything bad to other people.

But situation is different if the law doesn't allow us to buy bitcoin since this is illegal since we will commit a crime if we pursue even if the law dictates us not to do it.

So therefore do right decision which you will not have any conflict to government or anything that can put you on harm. But if the case we are allowed to invest and do things what we like then best to work clean to earn so that there would be no issue arise in future.

I can agree with you that bitcoin is still not a legal tender to some countries, and the country bitcoin is a legal tender can be counted, so I know very well that bitcoin has not be officially pronounced as a legal tender to well known countries, so that doesn't mean that some countries is after whosoever that involves in bitcoin, so I believe that bitcoin that no country is monitoring the citizens that uses bitcoin.

Perhaps you shouldn't have used the religious way because i don't think Bitcoin is even written anywhere in the Bible and I believe we all know that bible support anything that is good and after all we are not frauding people to get it rather through the knowledge and understanding we have and we do use our own hard earned money to trade and invest to make more money. However, I will rather go against what the government said that is wrong than to go against what God said and even some of those government are using this same asset they are prohibiting people from using.

This post deserves a good merit score because while we hustle every day and hope to live a life of fulfillment, it is good to reflect on our dealings, hence why upon reading through, I think that cryptocurrencies belong to its own government which may be as a new world order and that is why many current government are against it.

Still, with constant adoption by other countries and even them going as far as becoming Bitcoin capitalist by owning mining farms, introduction of Bitcoin paying ATMs that can accept cash to buy Bitcoin, I think many governments will come around to accept it or else face a financial revolution.

 Even without not answering the question you know the answer, going against the Government by investing in Bitcoin doesn't mean you are a bad citizen, who is the government, the government is people who are to take the responsibilities of the citizens but they don't, no one needs to wait for the government before eating, the government might be our leaders but they are not people who will decide how we are going to leave our lives.

If you look at some of our governments that don't want the citizens to do anything that concerns cryptocurrency they are the ones that steal public funds and convert them to Bitcoin and hide it, we have many graduates that don't have a job how did the government is going to take care of them, we can't be watching because of the government and die with hunger, so for me investing in Bitcoin doesn't mean you are a bad citizen.

when it comes to Bitcoin every country has its regulations but no matter how they have decided to fight Bitcoin with regulations and policies they find it hard to stop people from investing and even with all these regulations I just feel they are overriding the people's interest because I won't have interest on a particular investment and the government is fighting me not to invest this shows that the only concern that the government is after is control and how they can make money.

and they always feel they are making the best decisions when it comes to making money. There is always heavy tax, which is one of the challenges that other countries are facing because the tax is becoming a problem for people to pay and sometimes even leads to harassment from the authorities just because they have failed to pay their tax. It is a punishable offense not to be able to pay your tax.

And back to the Bitcoin violation, the people who are investors in Bitcoin have not been arrested just because they are investing in Bitcoin so no matter what they want to do they can not do anything, investing is not a crime.

One evidence that governments have to say about Bitcoin is that it is a decentralized system which means that governments are unable to impose control over it even if they wanted to. Besides, the government of any country has very limited scope to practice the tendency to levy tax on transaction fees. Bitcoin can be an important hedge for a country but governments are hesitant to align themselves with its regulatory regime. I also think that due to the decentralized system it is a bit difficult to identify the users and some users may do various illegal transactions through Bitcoin which may result in the government taking a strict rather than flexible stance on Bitcoin. But as the number of Bitcoin users and investors around the world continues to grow, governments should gradually become more mature about their stance.

Oddly enough, civilians are required to always obey all rules and policies implemented by the government, but individuals within government circles deliberately and openly violate the rules. Corruption occurs everywhere, they also often practice nepotism. When the country considers Bitcoin as a commodity asset, there is nothing to be afraid of investing in Bitcoin because every transaction made by the Investor will be taxed. Indirectly, the government gets income from these taxes and this will be very beneficial for the country.

It is more easy if Bitcoin is Legal Tender or Legal in your country but if it is Alegal or Illegal in your nation, you still can use it too. It's only up to you to be more knowledgeable, experienced in mastering your non custodial wallets, inputs and outputs use as well as other supporting tools for Privacy like Bitcoin Full Node, Tor for your transactions.

Generally you will have to be more carefully if Bitcoin is not yet Legal in your country.

Governments can decide your legality status because they have law and law enforcement tools and staffs in hands. How do government use their power to support, serve their citizens or attack against their citizens, it will depend on how that government is structured.

In your life, you mostly can not change how a government is structured and operated so you have to take care of yourself, your fund and privacy first.

Bitcoin privacy guides and resources.

This doesn't apply to me because the government in my country didn't ban bitcoin or in other words illegal. I wouldn't use the word violators if bitcoin is banned or illegal in a country but rather use what alastantiger explained which is civil disobedience where a person didn't follow the command or demand of the government. Anyway, I don't think I ever read or heard someone said that he/she is a violator in their government since he/she did not obey the command which is not to use cryptocurrency in their country hence why cryptocurrency is banned in their country although they are doing it in secret since they may go to jail.

Violators or not it's not for any government to decide. Countries who banned bitcoin are just afraid of it to take over their own currency in delusional way which will not happened to an open market, not corrupt and in dictator type of authority in any country. Instead of buying the statistics of criminals who go to bitcoin to hide, why not open their financial policy just like any big countries who accept bitcoin for what it is. Many people stick their eyes on bitcoin due to investments and its so many features — freedom of their financial use.

The government is against bitcoin just because of their own selfish interests, and nothing more. The government doesn’t have any concrete reason for banning bitcoin, we all know the reason for them banning it, so I don’t care if I am violating that kind of law. The government wants to be in control of us, they never wanted anyone to have freedom. The government doesn’t have anything serious to say about bitcoin, all they do say is that bitcoin is used for illegal activities, but fiat currency is also used for it, so why are they not banning fiat currency, and they just after bitcoin?

The truth is that every country has its own laws that guide all citizens. Therefore, each country needs to consider the benefits of certain things before deciding to make them legal. For instance, with Bitcoin, I know it can be very helpful for the economy. However, due to a lack of understanding in some areas, certain countries may not fully grasp its benefits, which could be why it’s illegal in those places.As a citizen, you must follow the laws that govern you. If anyone goes against these laws, there are always consequences. So, if your country has made Bitcoin illegal, I advise you to avoid it to avoid punishment. However, if there’s a way to invest in Bitcoin without the government's knowledge, then I would suggest investing in it discreetly.

I don't consider myself a bad citizen for defying the government. Even though bitcoin is illegal in my country, I am earning bitcoin by trading bitcoin from my country and managing my life with my family. I am earning money working in Bitcoin I think I am playing an economic role in my country. I saved my life from unemployment if I don't work in bitcoin I will definitely be unemployed but I saved my life from unemployment by working in bitcoin forum and bitcoin so how can I disobey the government and claim as a bad citizen so I always consider I consider myself as a good citizen. There are many people like me who don't work in Bitcoin, they are unemployed, I rather defy the government and make a good living working in Bitcoin so I am a good efficient citizen for a country.

Truly depends on the countries regulation if they allow or discourage their people to use bitcoin. If there's massive crackdown implemented and government says or declare that bitcoin is illegal then automatically you violate the law by using or acquiring it. Not following government order is actually a direct disobedience and you commit a sin on the government only.

But to become a bad citizen for that matter, I guess its not since for sure its never so bad to used bitcoin. Its just there are regulators didn't understand how to use it since maybe there's certain conflict of interest that they are protecting and they cannot take advantage with bitcoin to gain something that's why some of them discourage or totally ban this asset.

Bitcoin has been know in different countries, I dont think that their's no civilised countries that doesn't know Bitcoin, Bitcoin is not legalized in so many countries, but people living in there knows about bitcoin, bitcoin is be known but doesn't be legalized at all course, in some countries bitcoin is been allowed to trade but also does not allowed to trade in some other countries,

I know quite well that government is against bitcoin right from time, but that doesn't me that anyone who is in another country will not purchase bitcoin, in a country the worst government can do is to restrict bitcoin but some major countries, I believe that bitcoin is here to stand since it having facing criticism every time from government.

Bitcoin is a good investment truly and it as a lot of good factors because if you look at everything the moment you invest you don't even need to look for buyers everything is already installed for you how many business can will give you buyer automatically and that is the best thing that makes everything more interesting because the moment you starting sell the buyer becomes your priority but it is a good choice and you have to be able to develop a good business strategy.

And even about countries that have ban bitcoin don't do their citizens anything just because they invested in bitcoin, and the ban is jus to scare people because when did a source of income become a treat thay they have to jail people for it, and if you look at everything is it worth it I don't think so and the government understands what bitcoin stands in the life of people and even countries that they made it legal was because they were looking for ways just to extort money from people.

And everyone is already accepting it look like they don't have a choice kd at the end of the day even the government will have to allow it and even encourage people to actually invest, because why would you stop people from investing and no provision for jobs.

Bitcoin is a good investment truly and it as a lot of good factors because if you look at everything the moment you invest you don't even need to look for buyers everything is already installed for you how many business can will give you buyer automatically and that is the best thing that makes everything more interesting because the moment you starting sell the buyer becomes your priority but it is a good choice and you have to be able to develop a good business strategy.

And even about countries that have ban bitcoin don't do their citizens anything just because they invested in bitcoin, and the ban is jus to scare people because when did a source of income become a treat thay they have to jail people for it, and if you look at everything is it worth it I don't think so and the government understands what bitcoin stands in the life of people and even countries that they made it legal was because they were looking for ways just to extort money from people.

And everyone is already accepting it look like they don't have a choice kd at the end of the day even the government will have to allow it and even encourage people to actually invest, because why would you stop people from investing and no provision for jobs.

The essence of laws is to ensure a peaceful coexistence among the people of a particular region. It is to make sure that people do not cause harm to the next person as they enjoy whatever right they have. Hodling bitcoins or doing business with it does not in any way cause harm to the next person,  except for some cases where they argue that bitcoin mining consumes alot of energy,  but there is an alternative source of energy now, which makes the government's arguments weightless. What this means is that, the government is only being selfish for restricting the use of bitcoin because there is absolutely nothing to hold against bitcoin.

Not all government laws are justifiable, and I do not consider myself a violator of the law for using bitcoin. With time, the government will adjust and see what we all see in bitcoin.

It really depends on the law; its universally accepted that stealing is bad, Bitcoin is legal in one country and illegal in another so its not universally accepted that holding Bitcoin is bad; its just the government that makes it look that way.
I don't think you are committing a sin, but you are violating a law in your government that makes it bad for their citizens, so its on your discrepancy if you think that you are violating then don't hold if you believe on Bitcoin and you think you have future holding it, then go hold, just don't get caught holding, its for everyone's preferences there is no one rule.

Your question is very complex. It is very important to follow the laws and policies given by the government to maintain the peace and order of a country. Investing in bitcoins without authorization in a country is a violation of the government's laws. It is better to try to invest in a legal way than under the law.

For the fact that you still find investors in those countries who are hold Bitcoin and still trading in the market, that's not a problem and until they are apprehended before it could be confirmed that they broke the rule. You can't stop investing in the Crypto market because the government ask us to stop transacting coins in the market. There are lots of profits to be made in the crypto market and the only way we can make thise profits is to invest or trade the crypto market.

I don't see investors as violators because they only invest but not use it in an open market to make transactions or to make payments for services in their country, they only ceased an opportunity to grow their money and make good use of the opportunity, aswell for those who get paid in Bitcoin from their freelancing jobs would not go jobless because their country is yet to adopt Bitcoin whereby there are platforms where they can convert their coins in to Fiat and probably use in their local market if they wish to.

The government itself is breaking its own laws either, as if the government officials are not taking advantage of their positions so they can continue to protect their inside anomalies.

And who cares if bitcoin investors are considered violators, I guess no one will also admit that he is holding bitcoin so he can protect his own welfare as well. If the government officials are protecting theirselves so they won't be caught violating the laws, same goes for bitcoin investors. They will continue to access bitcoin privately without giving any hints to the government.

Could be not if we are not in those country which totally banned bitcoin. But if we are in country where bitcoin is highly forbidden then we can be called as violators since we ignore the law set by government to us and we continue to use it despite of the warnings they have release to the public. The only problem there is they can't find any solution regarding on job market since there are still so many jobless in the world. If government can find a solution regarding on this issue then maybe their people will not go to any risky option that they doesn't allow to access.

For now can't blame people to use bitcoin since from here we can find a lot of opportunities that can really give us a big break which can give us more decent payments compare to what those governments jobs they are trying to offer to some selected people.

From my understanding they (the government) didn't ban me from investing in Bitcoin. They banned its use in those countries but the people investing in Bitcoin aren't using it in the country so they're not violating any rules. Also how do you ban what you can't control and that's where the government are making a mistake. Lets look at it from a religious perspective as well. God gave command of not eating the forbidden fruit but he also gave the first Humans on earth the power of choice which is to choose between eating the fruit or not.

The government are there to guide her citizens but it's left for the citizens to adhere to the authority of the government or not. Investing in Bitcoin isn't causing any harm to the next citizen so I don't see a problem with investing in it even though my leaders put a ban on it. It's left for me to face the consequences of the ban which is a punishment made by the government of the country that I'm residing but I still don't see an issue with investing in Bitcoin. Using it in the country is another story all together because then I'll be violating the laws but nobody can tell me what to invest into or not , that's my decision to make.

Bitcoin violators aren't breaking any rules and if there's any rules preventing people individually from investing in Bitcoin then that's a stupid law and shouldn't be obeyed. How can someone prevent you from chasing after your financial freedom? Do they want you to be depending on them forever, I guess yes so they can keep controlling us, that's what the governments wants.

I live in Bangladesh Bitcoin is illegal in my country. Now from the side of my country if I say many people in my country have made their life very independent by working in Bitcoin. Unemployment is highest in my country there are many educated youths who are not getting any good job after graduation if they can work in bitcoin for their livelihood and hope for a better future then I think we are not going against the government by working in bitcoin and in bitcoin. By working I am not accepting myself as a bad boy. Yes I may be a law breaker but I am never harming the law rather I am earning from it myself. If the people of my country don't eat a meal or two, the government doesn't come and provide them with food. If we can do our own work and get our own employment, then why are we bad boys if we work in Bitcoin?Religiously speaking Bitcoin has been accepted as halal. If bitcoin is halal then I am not committing any sin.

When government says don't allow something doesn't mean is illegal, it could be that the government doesn't want to validate such thing yet and in that moment, it's is not legal and it is not illegal until the government makes an approval or proper announcement of such. So when you buy such thing and use it, you can not be punish by the law because you didn't violate any rule or law of the country.

Bitcoin is a digital assets that some countries are making money from, I believe even the one that are yet to make official statement about it's legality will do one day but the adoption need to grow in positive way to give good approach for it's approval. The government doesn't take it's eyes from taxes, and since bitcoin is taxable as an asset is one the reason why they have not ban it yet, they don't want to make bad decisions and try to later disapprove their decisions, so if your country hasn't said anything about the status, continue to use it but if it's illegal to use in your country, I will advice you to stop using it while in that country.

Citizen should follow the law imposed by the government.  Else there will be chaos everywhere.  The government is established to give a standard set of rules so that a country will live in harmony but of course that will not always happen.

If a citizen does not want to follow the law of its country then that citizen is better to look for another country where his ideal fit in.  Any one violating the government law is a bad citizen but it does not mean that that citizen is a bad person. 


I think it is not about the performance of the government but the implementation of the law by the government.  The government performance can be discussed in another topic...  and yeah we all know that most of the government officials overpromised but under delivered worst many are corrupt.

Violators? Has this country really guaranteed the welfare of its people and given them decent jobs? This must be what the governments that illegalize crypto think, assuming that cities are violating their laws. But meanwhile they have not been able to provide a decent life and facilities to their citizens. Hmm, this actually doesn't need to be answered. Because never mind, we ourselves go through it and we know our own condition.

First of all, banning bitcoin is a big joke that is why countries tried and realized it is not possible to ban something that is not under control. The second is ban varies too, in some countries buying and selling bitcoins is illegal but owning them isn't so if the person can find a way to get bitcoins then still it is not against any laws.

If you can think like that, I don't think you're completely understand what Bitcoin is since the purpose is to against centralization which every country in this world don't like that and see it as a threat for them.

Life is a choice, you can become a "good citizen" by using their centralized product, store your wealth in strict, unsecure and prone to bankrupt centralized bank, paying ridiculous tax, having no freedom etc.

Your question is against many users privacy and that's why you won't get a proper answer or whatsoever from a reputed member of the forum. There are many countries whose governments dislike Bitcoin but they haven't put any legal laws against it and the users from those countries can still invest in Bitcoin without any worries because if there isn't any legal law against something then it means the citizens can invest in it on their own risk.

I would say that the countries that have banned Bitcoin aren't well aware of the true advantages of Bitcoin. The citizens from those countries should be careful when investing in Bitcoin as if somehow government gets information about their investment then they can be in trouble. But, if they're secretly investing in Bitcoin without telling others or having complete privacy then they aren't doing any sin or crime. The governments change over time and they change their decisions over time.

Bitcoin is a good investment that can change someone's life. If Bitcoin is illegal in your country does mean that it is illegal in all countries I am sure that even countries where the government did not expect Bitcoin are investing in it secretly and profiting from it. As for me I don't see anything wrong with it that you are a bad citizen, when you are looking for ways to generate income to help yourself and your family, Now if someone told you that you are breaking government rules and you will never invest in bitcoin again, or what are you trying to say, I believe we are in the same local board and you know how the country is and the economy is very hard everyone is looking for funds, and you invest in bitcoin and you are profiting and you are wondering if it is bad.

If government makes bitcoin to be illegal I don't think one having bitcoin is committing a crime because their is nothing incriminating about bitcoin.  The main reason any government would want to make bitcoin illegal is either because they can control it or they are scared because people will choose Bitcoin against fiat for savings and investment that can somehow affect the banking system.

It  is not a bad thing to invest bitcoin in a country where bitcoin is being restricted to citizens but because of the laws set by government people just need to apply wisdom to not fall as a prey to this law by the government. Even if the government hates bitcoin it can't stop people from investing in Bitcoin because people understand the benefits of having bitcoin.

There are no laws that prohibit the investment of bitcoin because it is your own money and you can invest in whatever you wish though the government frowns against it. it is just that the government has not legally approved it usage because it is posing a threat against their monetary system and it will be of no benefit to them that is why they are trying to do everything possible so bitcoin does not succeed. If you are in support of a good cause then you are not doing the wrong thing in my opinion because we all know that the government has been taking advantage of us and we are being step on by them so we are doing this for the betterment of everyone.
I don't see myself as a bad person because i am doing this for a greater cause and i know using bitcoin doesn’t have any effect on anybody.

Being a ruling body doesn’t necessarily mean they are right on every decision they make, the slave trade scenario is a perfect example of some wrong things the government supports that are wrong in real sense but they actually purnished those that resist the movement back then. In a few years the outcome will be the same and those that were in support of bitcoin movement will also be seen as heroes. Governments are just scared of some of their benefits bitcoin will rule out when legalized so they fear the idea of decentralization and it is why they are fighting hard to keep everything centralized. Everyone wants freedom and it is what bitcoin has offered us so i don’t care what the government thinks i just want financial freedom. 

In my country the government does not prohibit people from investing in BTC, and I am very lucky to be in my beloved country so I can freely invest in BTC and I also pay taxes when I trade in crypto and it is deducted directly by the exchange. Of course the government program in my country is very good so investing in BTC or trading in crypto is of course no problem, but my government prohibits people from using crypto as a means of payment.

but op, I'm sorry I won't answer your question, and I'm forced to not answer it. Honestly, this is a difficult question to answer. Surely you also understand what I mean. and of course you have seen many answers from members of this forum.

IMHO, in every country with that definition that you've said about Bitcoin investors there are other things that people are going against with their government. There are still some strict reinforcements from them but no matter what they do, there will be violators everywhere. Is this an important matter? Well, for me that it is not since I'm in a country that's so chill with things like related to Bitcoin but I don't know what may happen in the future. But this is a big concern for those that are found in those countries that are strict with the implementation of their rules against Bitcoin but I know that they can survive and know their thing and what must be done.

Obviously, laws are not made for bitcoin but certainly focus on fiat. So whatever you do transactions with bitcoin, that is always violating the law. But who cares actually if you secretly doing bitcoin transactions without other people's awareness. Bitcoin is decentralized and so we need to deal it with privacy and security, and the government has nothing to do with it provided that they are also not aware that you're into bitcoin.

Well, bitcoin investors only end up violating if the country does not legalized bitcoin investments and trading, but if they are open to that, then there's no violations that are made or done.

I am not a bad citizen for doing so; the government is aware of the truth but refuses to accept it. I don't mind if you call this a rebellion because we have discovered the truth about financial freedom and want to embrace and support it.


No, the people in power and the elites are the ones who break the law the most and are not punished for it. I don't see myself breaking the law by purchasing bitcoin with my own money after learning about the risks involved.


Bringing religion into this won’t help to solve your narrative of disobedience. Even religions value truth and transparency in all that we do. Isn't that what bitcoin is attempting to accomplish here? As a result, religion will rather support it than oppose it.

do you think every law that the government have passed should be followed? Do you follow every law the government have passed? do you consider yourself a bad citizen for not following all the law the government have passed? the thing is, it doesn't make you a bad citizen if you do not follow certain laws, especially if the law you are breaking does not affect anyone in any way, including the religious side as well.

Banning the use of bitcoin in some countries is illegal, but it does not constitute a crime. As far as I understand, it's just a limitation on legal issues, but banning someone from using bitcoin seems useless.
And going back to the issue of individuals feeling violated, I think that's not true. For me, trusting the government's management is not always perfect because there will still be things that cause harm and conflict among the people. And control will foster a violation of it, violating the law with what kind of behavior? I have heard of some stories of money laundering criminals, but that is a different threshold because if it weren't for bitcoin, they would still be criminals.

The technology itself is not illegal, only the persons who are using it for illegal activities.
So we should not blame bitcoin or blockchain technology because of these fraudulent acts.
Just like fiat money, it is being used also to anything illegal. And the scammers are just finding another option to screw people.

Bitcoin isn’t illegal, though it might not be recognized by a lot of nations, it doesn’t make it illegal still. Perhaps you need to do more research on your subject before making such generalizations as it could be misleading to the population seeking to know on the platform and around you.
Government of most nations simply chose to not be both arms open in accepting of the Bitcoin innovation for a means of finance. Hence, it’s not backed by them and individuals who find themselves within the space are fully liable for there actions and inactions.
We’ve got several trading firms and Bitcoin involved platforms around every nation, putting up signs and what have you for advertisement, even on the media and you wonder why they are not being invited or criminalized if that was against the law. It’s simply because, it ain’t against the law. It’s just not backed by the given government and that’s it.
Though I might chose to be private and not put myself in line for triers, I’ve done nothing wrong in exercising my right to investment.

I am not residing in your country and my country see Bitcoin as a mode of payment so basically my country sees Bitcoin as legal and does not see Bitcoin users as violators.  So the answer to your question is subjective.

But in general, if the government announces that Bitcoin engagement is illegal, then any person who is engaging with Bitcoin whether discretely or openly is labeled as violator.  Depending on the country's law, they will be punished if caught accordingly.


In my country, there is a clear statement of separation of state and religion.  As long as the person is not committing any act that go against the Holy Scriptures, then that person is not sinning. As far as I know buying Bitcoin and trading with it is not written as a sin in any Holy Scripture...  and if you find a direct statement that tells that buying Bitcoin is a sin, then I would gladly stop engaging with Bitcoin activities.

You can actually invest or trade secretly, as there's no need to tell others or the government that you are currently doing it. That won't make you a bad citizen or a violator on their laws. They will only start seeing you crossing against their laws if you are disclosing that you are actually into bitcoin investing.

I don't believe that each of us is not capable to break the law. The government is sometimes giving us a hard time to live our lives the way we want it to be, and if only bitcoin investing could save that, then I would always want to stay a violator but it remains the fact that I am only the one who knows that I am actually violating the law.

Well, first of all, there's a high difference between the illegal and currently non-legal tender. Illegal refers to the prohibition of trading under some state policy and currently non-legal tender refers to a state that is not clear with the policy about it, in this case, you are allowed to trade under some limits and even you can confront some legal actions.

Also, Bitcoin is decentralized, you can use any non-custodial wallet to make some pre-legal policy accumulations, but it's not wise to do so if the state already imposed some kind of strict policy. Here in my region currently state is not clear about weather to accept or not the digital crypto era. You know the dictatorship hehe.

The reason why you see people like us going against government illegal is because BTC is a decentralized currency that is not own by government but it gives access to whoever that want to use it for any exchange in the whole world. BTC was banned in my country some years ago by the CBN governor because, many people in the country prefer to transact business with people with BTC without using the fiat money which is the popular local currency in the country that made the government to reduce the population of BTC users in the country by banned BTC and crypto in the land.

Have you ask yourself the reason government banned BTC or made BTC illegal in some countries that lead to illegal in some countries, if you don't know what government is fighting by making BTC illegal, you can meet some of the parliament members in your country so that they will explain better to you and you will know that they are fighting for their own selfishness not for the betterment of their citizens.

If you are a businessman and love crypto, that's one thing you need to think about. The job is to keep buying and holding. Indeed, we need an exchange to make withdrawals, but in my opinion there are many options if we want to liquidate our assets.

Apart from all that and as a good citizen, I think that if the government is wise and considers it necessary, it would be good if the government could make regulations. Tax levies on crypto asset trading transactions will be carried out by trading organizers because the potential state revenue from crypto taxes can be very large.

If we are to look at it from this perspective, yourself is also violating the rule since you’re also an investor in bitcoin and would want to benefit from it despite the government not legalising it as legal tender in your country. If you bring religion into this, not everyone will be judged since not all believe in religion. Those government leaders that are not allowing the adoption of bitcoin may also be secret investors who are looking to benefit handsomely from bitcoin. With bitcoin level of adoption and popularity, the government officials have no choice but to also secretly invest and publicly despise bitcoin.

Going against the rules isn't always a bad thing to do.  There's times when it's the proper response, like when folks were advocating for equal opportunities for all people no matter their skin color and  when laws seem unjust, weve got an obligation to speak up and object.

Even though some officials have wanted to limit or outlaw Bitcoin, a lot of people see these as old-fashioned ineffective tries to regulate something that's already shown it can take whatever's thrown at it and keep going strong. Just as we get to pick the products and services we pay for, we should also be able to choose the money we like to use.

Have you ever found out why the government prohibits the circulation of Bitcoin in its country or when most other countries have given space to Bitcoin as a commodity asset, these countries still consider Bitcoin to be very illegal. Behind the decision there is always an interest, I think these countries which still consider Bitcoin illegal have a personal interest so that no other currency competes with the fiat currency issued in that country.

Indirectly, the government restrains its people from always using their fiat money so that the system built so far is not threatened by the presence of Bitcoin. If the situation is like this, I would rather be called a violator than have to obey the rules of a government that does not give its people the freedom to choose what can benefit society in general.

This is true, like in my country, many citizens ignorantly think that bitcoin is banned, but this is a lie, it is only the central bank, that prohibits banks from facilitating crypto transactions. We have many exchanges that are doing their businesses without any problems. In fact this misconception about ban is affecting the adoption of bitcoin, in my country, because they'll think that they'll break the law if they engage in anything cryptocurrency transactions. So for bitcoin lovers in countries that are not bitcoin friendly, they should try and find out if it's a total ban or if it has certain restrictions, like in the case of Nigeria.

Everything that involves with bitcoin may always be a threat and illegal for the government, most especially for those countries who ban bitcoin just to control their citizens from not accessing bitcoin. While this could be illegal for them as it could lose the essence of fiat, but for us bitcoin investors this could only be the reason so we can be free from financial control and manipulations. So I don't think it's considered a sin, since we are just trying to exercise our freedom that the government has deprived us.

Disobeying an unfair and unjust government does not make us bad citizens. Bad citizens are those who commit crimes and other illegalities that put other citizens welfare into danger, and bitcoin has no propaganda like that.

Bad citizens are people who engage in activities that harm and could negatively affect the reputation or the economy of a country. I don't think Bitcoin is causing any harm to the country, so I will not be termed a bad citizen because I own it. Even the people who make the law disobey the law and the ban on Bitcoin was made because of the selfish interest of a few influential people.

Legally I am breaking the law but morally I am not. These politicians don't have any genuine reasons for banning Bitcoin. The reason for this ban is purely for personal gains and not for the good of the people.

Religiously, I am not committing any sin because my religion doesn't forbid investing in Bitcoin or using it as a legal tender. My religion promotes freedom and privacy so the ban on Bitcoin is even against my religious tenets.
Citizens are mandated to obey the law of the nation they are staying in. If Bitcoin is banned in your country, you are obliged not to buy or engage in any Bitcoin transaction.

But you have the option of travelling to a neighbouring country where Bitcoin is legal to engage in Bitcoin transactions and move back to your country. If you take this step you didn't disobey any law since you didn't engage in the activity within the territory of a banned territory.

Nothing is surprising in finding that the citizens of a country are investing in BTC or crypto while it is banned by the government. I have seen many people here in BTT who have exposed that they use BTC or other tokens while their governments have banned them. So, there remains nothing surprising here for me, but for you maybe.
I don't consider myself a bad citizen for disobeying the government, but I have to consider myself. Because disobeying your government is directly equal to crime but a crime in one country is not a crime in another country. Same prostitution, alcohol, etc. is a crime in one country but not in another country.

BTC is the same as that but it is not negatively impacting society like all those bad factors, crypto is banned in my country too but I think my government is not considering it because they are afraid they can't control it, or they don't know how to react with it, how to get benefit from it. Because one time they legalized it and then banned it two times. This means they are uncertain of what crypto is, but if some educated person would teach them then they might consider it to be legal.

No.


You think that being disobedient is somehow a bad thing? If you know anything about history you will see that its often quite the opposite.

Is it that you are misunderstanding the concept of Bitcoin as a whole?
Or you are after laws of centralization?
Do you wants to remain dependent if banks financially?

If no then you need not to depend on government when looking for financial stability.
Bitcoin is decentralized and no one will know if you invest in Bitcoin and no law will work because they will not know if you buy Bitcoin through p2p unless you use exchange and leave your money in exchange.

Never try to think about it but if we give it a proper thought then we will realize that yeah we are disobeying the government and it is almost near to sin, but but, not for every country because many countries don't have any religion so does there citizens, but I am a religious person and the country is religious too, and if I will disobey my country's law then I am doing a sin (maybe or maybe not, because I am not so sure about it) I need facts to agree on it.

But crypto is banned by my country and I think it is not a good decision because they have nothing in their hands against crypto to ban it, State banks have said that in a statement during a court trial on legalizing crypto. But due to political suppression crypto community lost the case and crypto was declared banned. Therefore investing in crypto while the country doesn't allow it without any reason, might not be considered as a sin but a crime, yeah, in the law's eye, we are committing the crime.

Well Bitcoin isn't not banned in my own country, there was a time when it was banned but really, why should I feel bad investing my hard earned money on Bitcoin? It's not even the government that's paying me the money that I use to buy Bitcoin, it's none of their business.

The best thing they can do is block people from accepting Bitcoin as a medium of exchange or making payment in the country, I like Bitcoin because it's a good store of value, not just for making payments only, you are free as a bird mate, do what you feel is right..

But do know that no government want the best for it's people, it will be hard to get you under control if you have your own money and power, you can afford abandoning the country for another, but if you are poor you are simply under the control of your government and trust me, this is what they want.

OP, in your topic did you attest to the fact that you are a violator before asking other members?

Bitcoiners do not care about what the government think or do. Bitcoin has been gaining significant ground even in countries that makes it illegal. I think doing it in an open space or publicly that is what may seem like you violating the laws of the government. But when you keep calm and remain anonymous no one will ever notice or find out you are into Bitcoin. It can be tag as illegality but deep down we know the truth that Bitcoin has no negative effect to the economy of any country.

According to what I know, in most countries there are no clear laws and all accusations are made using anti-money laundering or tax evasion laws, especially if we are talking about amounts exceeding 10k USD.
If your country prohibits Bitcoin, do not sell and adhere to the laws. However, if there are no clear laws, it is better to stay away from trading with large amounts and to be within the circle of those you trust.

Bitcoin isn’t illegal in many countries but what the government are doing is they don’t support it, let’s take a look at the casino industry, many people do not like or support them even in this forum and they do not advertise them but do they stop others from engaging in them No, they believe you bear the risk. If you look at what most countries do they advise people against bitcoin and cryptocurrency at large but that is left for you to take. If you risk it and it turns out bad for you, the government isn’t coming to aid that is just it.

I will give example of Nigeria since it’s your country too, the government frowns at bitcoin but didn’t ban it that is why you see people publicly going about saying they are into it. In a country like China where it was once banned you could see the government coming after everything related to it even mining. In this kind of country you can also invest because it is your money but you can’t publicize it or advocate because it is against the law and doing that makes you a law breaker. so there is difference

Let me answer your question from a personal perspective.

I live in a community where we have a lot of seafood like fish, oysters, periwinkle, and lots of valuable seafood that are in abundance here. But the issue is that the leaders in my locality don't allow people to harvest the see food for the purpose of selling them and this is because they don't even know the value of those see food. they will even harvest those see food that if you sell it in the urban areas, the price will be enough to feed a whole household for the week and they will just eat it up just a day.

Because I know the value of these product and I know the market I can sell them to make money, I still go out and harvest it and sell it and make a huge money out of it. And here is the striking thing I discovered as I continued harvesting the oyster, I discovered that the more I harvested them, the more they produce fresh and quality oyster while the once left without harvesting becomes old and dies off with time. When some persons in the locality interacted with me and I told them how much I make from the sells of tye oyster, their thought process change and some of them have even joined me.

What I'm trying to say in essence is that, that a country bans the use of a particular thing doesn't make the thing bad or illegal, as long as you know that what you are doing isn't illegal and won't harm anyone in the process, then I don't see anything that is wrong with it.

The issue is that most of the government that band and kicks against Bitcoin adoption are just afraid of accepting a system that they won't be in control of.

Some world maps for Bitcoiners (Legality maps).

Very little countries in which Bitcoin is considered illegal and governments in those countries have to ask themselves a serious question. Are they good governments when they are going oppositely with a common trend globally?

Because their opposite regulations than most of rest countries globally, is harmful for their citizens. They are bad governments compare to governments in other countries, in most of the world.

Who cares if you're a "bad citizen", "disobeying the government" or "committing the sin of direct disobedience" if you're just owning something that is definitely in no way unethical/immoral?

Ya'll need to stop licking the boots of your governments.

My government didn't ban Bitcoin and I obviously don't care what laws do other countries have since they don't apply to me. But if my country outlawed Bitcoin, I still wouldn't care. I'm guided by my moral principles and not the laws, if I don't agree with a law then it must be a stupid law.

If your country is among those who are not bitcoin-lovers and have banded anything that has to do with bitcoin, you yourselves don't need to be in this forum for the first place, and secondly, if you have any of those who their country has banned bitcoin in their side and are still buying and investing in them, that's their own choice and believe, and if you are so much concern about what it, you can be the persecutor and charge them for their crime, or better still, take them to the law i for enforcement agent and see where the case will lead to
 
Manche countries might not be supporters of bitcoin, but they are banning their citizens from investing in it. Their citizens are allowed to take the risk on their own and the governments have nothing to do with it. And if you are from the country that doesn't want you to get involved with bitcoin and you are a lover of bitcoin, you can either leave the country and stay where you are allowed to do what you want, and when you relocate, are you still falling under the law of your country that deny you the access to own a bitcoin? 

This is so wrong.

If you think that you are not wrong, name the countries bitcoin is not legal and let us discuss about it and you will see how you are very wrong. Bitcoin is illegal in just few countries.

I am quite sure that you will not have up to 15 countries among the 195 countries in the world.

Nope. If it's about Bitcoin then I am not disobeying them because I am in a country where it is completely legal and free, so I have no problem thinking about that.

Since there is no restriction, therefore that I am not breaking the law and I am not a violator per se.

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I have a question for you OP, you may or may not answer it. If someone from a country that has restricted Bitcoin and he's a member of the forum and had an account, is he a violator already since he's on a Bitcoin forum? The government will have an approach towards it for sure.

And who says Government right about everything?

Back in the day when Governments looked at slave trade and slavery as something very normal. Would have imagined that they believe it was right and trying to resist slavery was a crime and punishable? Today, the historical resistors of slavery and looked at as heroes.  Now, relate that to the use of Bitcoin today, and you will have the answer.

Hey OP, have you heard of civil disobedience? According to Britannica, civil disobedience is the refusal to obey the demands or commands of a government or occupying power without resorting to violence or active measures of opposition. Why is the government telling me not to buy Bitcoin when I know that Bitcoin represents freedom, and holding onto their fiat is economic and financial bondage? I want to be free, and because I don't want to resort to violence, I simply disobey them.

Well, no one be will answer this question and why would anyone admit they are involved in illegal practices as per their government norms? Majority of countries have not banned Bitcoin and it's neither legal nor illegal and some countries don't have problems with it unless it affects their citizens in a negative way like some major scams or terror funding or money laundering. I don't think we should term people of committing sins just because they are going against their government when government just wants to control your financial freedom.

Are these questions you expect people to answer on a public forum?

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Bitcoin is still very illegal in many countries and to many governments, but in many of these countries, what is surprising is that you will still find investors in bitcoins who are going against the government and secretly buying and investing in bitcoins. An example of some of these people are members in this forum, so I am want to ask a personal question, do you think of yourself as a bad citizen for disobeying the government? Do you agree that you are a violator for breaking the law? Now see things from a religious side as well, by disobeying the government and investing in bitcoins, are you committing the sin of direct disobedience?