Are Boxing Champs' Exhibition Tours Backed by Major Gambling Companies?

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Quote from: shanz on August 27, 2024, 07:13:59 AM

Given their status and the huge amount of money involved in these events, it wouldn’t be surprising if a big player in the gambling industry is behind them. What do you think? Could their exhibition tours be more than just boxing entertainment Huh

PS: This is just speculation and not based on any confirmed reports.[/size]

Exhibition tours are more than just boxing entertainment. Aside from your mentioned gambling companies, other institutions also sponsor sports events like this simply for exposure and profit. LIke those sports brands company, sports equipment manufacturers, clothing brands, shoes brands, and even financial companies sponsors sports events. Any company that has something to do with sales and profits can sponsor Boxing events like how beverages sponsor basketball and other sports. It is not a secret so your thought is not a mere speculation.

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Floyd Mayweather does have some gambling sponsors but they don’t have any influence as to what happens inside the ring. He can fire a referee in the middle of the fight and do whatever he wants because he is a superstar. You can’t force somebody with an ego like his to follow a specified set of rules. His exhibitions have crazy moments like a post-fight brawl and the referee incident. These aren’t officially sanctioned fights so he can get away with it.

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If I remember correctly, a line opened when Manny Pacquiao faced DK Yoo. I don't know if I am right and please correct me if I am wrong.

Just that, but I don't think they will sponsor it since it's an exhibition match, and they might waste money for advertisements instead of making more by pulling more gamblers in.
Anyway, that's one match that I did remember but I bet there are more. I mean, I've seen Jake Paul's name a bunch of times in sports betting websites too so you can expect a line to open if the boxing exhibition players are somehow popular.

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Quote from: shanz on August 27, 2024, 07:13:59 AM

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This is assuming that gambling companies have THAT big of a hold over the ring though.

And if there was, I don't see any reason why companies would have the need to hide it. To win a match? Psh. The profits from having them advertised by that gambler and for people to know that the casino is backed by a professional boxer outweigh the profits they could earn from a few fixed tournaments. Plus, the former has no possible issues that could crop up. The latter? Could potentially destroy both the casino and the boxer themselves.

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Quote from: Coin_trader on August 27, 2024, 07:18:25 AM

AFAIK only sponsorship in the match is backed by the gambling companies not the outcome since they are offering both ways. Until now, Mafia and other conspiracy theory about manipulating the result has no solid evidence but I don’t remove it completely out of the picture.

Boxing match gain huge profit through viewership. I’m not sure if gambling related conspiracy really needed for boxing organizers to gain profit since they are already getting it on legal way.

That sponsorship deal says a lot. We already know of super scandals in sport with the major one being public is that of Calciopoli in Italy in 2006 where people learned that Moggi the Juventus director were offering a lot of money to referees in favor of results but not only Juventus, also Inter management at that time were caught offering Rolex or other major goods of value. To make a long story short a lot of teams, big teams were relegated to even amateur leagues at that time, you can check Calciopoli wikipedia page in google if you want to see yourself.

For boxing is no different, as I said that sponsorship is not just that sponsorship but I go a bit further and I speculate that the gambling company can corrupt an individual in this sport just like they do in all other sports and make the match result fixed as they like it.

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Quote from: shanz on August 27, 2024, 07:13:59 AM

Some living champs have undeniable influence in the boxing world, and their fights continue to attract massive attention. With their control over the ring—such as forcing referee changes mid-fight, surprising opponents, or even not following instructions/rules—it raises the question: Could some boxers be backed by major gambling companies so they have more power and control over the ring? (I'm not generalizing Wink

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Given their status and the huge amount of money involved in these events, it wouldn’t be surprising if a big player in the gambling industry is behind them. What do you think? Could their exhibition tours be more than just boxing entertainment Huh

PS: This is just speculation and not based on any confirmed reports.

Its hard to find solid proof regarding on your assumptions since sponsorship deals made by the company itself is just for promotion on their brands. And they don't have any power to change the result of the fight.

Maybe there are times that it is little bit scripted but for sure they don't do anything illegal in that matches since in the end its just for pure fun and fans satisfaction to see their idols get back in the ring again.

If you are doubting on the results of exhibition fights then don't bet on those matches and try to look real fights since for sure what scripted things you mentioned is for sure not gonna happened there.

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Quote from: shanz on August 27, 2024, 07:13:59 AM

Some living champs have undeniable influence in the boxing world, and their fights continue to attract massive attention. With their control over the ring—such as forcing referee changes mid-fight, surprising opponents, or even not following instructions/rules—it raises the question: Could some boxers be backed by major gambling companies so they have more power and control over the ring? (I'm not generalizing Wink

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Given their status and the huge amount of money involved in these events, it wouldn’t be surprising if a big player in the gambling industry is behind them. What do you think? Could their exhibition tours be more than just boxing entertainment Huh

For me? No, we haven't heard casinos backing pro or even exhibitions fights. But most casinos open up betting lines for fights, specially mega fights and that's where they generated big money, as whales stays on their hotel as least fight week and then gamble on the floor and bet on the fight itself. So they don't need a capital to begin with to back up a fight. But there are casinos that sponsors fighter and I think that is the best thing for them to do. To sponsor fighters and then carry their logo during the fight. For exhibition fights, we don't know where the money is coming from, but there could be maybe some broadcasting giants are behind because they are going to earn a lot from the broadcasting rights.

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Quote from: shanz on August 27, 2024, 07:13:59 AM

Some living champs have undeniable influence in the boxing world, and their fights continue to attract massive attention. With their control over the ring—such as forcing referee changes mid-fight, surprising opponents, or even not following instructions/rules—it raises the question: Could some boxers be backed by major gambling companies so they have more power and control over the ring? (I'm not generalizing Wink

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PS: This is just speculation and not based on any confirmed reports.

the nature of thier job gives them an unparalleled boldness because that's what's expected of them. As a fighter, you're expected to show up big every where as it also contribute in building a good reputation and create fear in the minds of your opposition. If you're relating that to the effect of the sponsorship of a particular gambling company, you should know that gambling company are business firms that are more concerned about making profit from thier business and not pour it all on certain gambler to help boost their ego. Gamblers that wants a certain boxer to win can invest in that fighter so he can comfortably win but not a gambling company.

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Exhibition match is just a fun match, they're not really serious with the fight, that's why anything can happen including the most impossible thing. It's not a manipulated or robbed match, but both of them have no motivation to win.

Saying exhibition match is controlled or manipulated is pretty much like a conspiracy or cheap drama. It's better for you to become a boxer and then apply for exhibition match, so you will know the reality. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on August 28, 2024, 10:36:51 PM

Well, I have not actually read any where or heard any news that some of those boxers are being influenced or backed by a huge casino or a whale gambler, so I feel that such kind of influence will not be easy to be pulled by casinos. The only way I know that they can be backed by casino is either through some support.

I also do not think that casinos will directly influence on boxers or it can be a complex situation. However, the casino can involve themselves for sponsorship where they can provide financial backing or resources in exchange for promotion. There is nothing wrong with this type of approach as it is sort of marketing your casino business. Casinos can influence betting odds or in rare cases they may be involved in match fixing. This means collusion to affect the outcome of a match. However, this is illegal and carries serious consequences for all parties involved. I think the chances of gambling casino's direct manipulation of a fighter's performance is very low.

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Well, I have not actually read any where or heard any news that some of those boxers are being influenced or backed by a huge casino or a whale gambler, so I feel that such kind of influence will not be easy to be pulled by casinos. The only way I know that they can be backed by casino is either through some support.

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Haven't heard of a referee being replaced in mid-fight, which was this?

What I do know though is that the promotion or the organization like WBC is trying to insert itself into the promotions fix fights. Well, that's what's being talked about in some boxing forums. But this is also happening in MMA, Dana even orders fighters to not takedown but fight standing for fairness because the other fighter is a striker.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on August 27, 2024, 08:24:37 AM

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AFAIK only sponsorship in the match is backed by the gambling companies not the outcome since they are offering both ways. Until now, Mafia and other conspiracy theory about manipulating the result has no solid evidence but I don’t remove it completely out of the picture.

Boxing match gain huge profit through viewership. I’m not sure if gambling related conspiracy really needed for boxing organizers to gain profit since they are already getting it on legal way.

This is a new area I need to research on. Prior to this time of never heard of anything theory or result manipulation in boxing. I have always thought that boxing was just "boxing" and nothing more to it. Of course I know that there event organizers do their own part to promote the match and make a lot of money for the fighters but never thought a boxer would have control. I'll do a little research and return to the thread as soon I find anything worth sharing.

I will be waiting on your findings mate. I’m curious if there’s really an instance that this is really possible but since the increasing number of exhibition matches and drama on social media pattern to sell the fight I’m not sure either what’s the reality on this shit show exhibition match on boxing.

Official might be paid since this is not an official match or the whole match itself is a predetermined match same with wrestling since players have nothing to lose because they don’t have official records here.

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While trying to get you right, I think you are talking about a fixed match parameters by which gambling companies or an influential gambler (s) influences a boxer in determination of the boxing match outcome as prediction not to be contradicted.

If I guess it correctly, the. Yes, it is apparently possible in as much sports games are concerned, it can always be manipulated but a huge price where a big team can even sell its prestige powerful prides for a particular goal of interest.

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personally I doubt it a lot... is it really possible to create a conspiracy of this level involving multimillion dollar companies (therefore linked to several people/complex organizations) and athletes who have very high gains?
it is really difficult to have such situation and probably not even worth since many profits from these competitions are provided by sponsors and not so much by winning a title (like in tennis where there are big jackpot for players reaching final stages).

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Quote from: shanz on August 27, 2024, 07:27:19 AM

You know, such control over referees and the ring is surprising.
Some athletes seem overly confident, as if they believe everything is under their control. Of course, I agree with you that we can't say for sure if there is a conspiracy, but the situation remains unclear.

What kind of athlete would be without self-confidence? Well, he certainly wouldn't be at the top if he didn't believe in himself and his abilities... And it's normal for top players to impose their own rhythm, in individual and group sports. Either you impose your own rhythm and game, a way to dominate the field/ring... or you are cornered and somehow try to defend yourself from all attacks.

Referees can make questionable decisions, and it happens in all sports, even in the most prestigious competitions. Such a decision is always good for one team and bad for the other... the team and the fans of the team who do not like the decision immediately start with conspiracy theories, but the referees see things from their point of view and it certainly happens that they do not see everything. Nowadays with all the cameras around, it's hard to fix a game I think, and I don't think that gambling companies are doing these things... why would they? They wish to earn even more money... I don't see that as a good reason, they are making a profit no matter who wins/loses, in the long run, they are real winners, and I can't imagine some big companies risking that for a one-time making-money-scheme.

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Quote from: Coin_trader on August 27, 2024, 07:18:25 AM

AFAIK only sponsorship in the match is backed by the gambling companies not the outcome since they are offering both ways. Until now, Mafia and other conspiracy theory about manipulating the result has no solid evidence but I don’t remove it completely out of the picture.

Boxing match gain huge profit through viewership. I’m not sure if gambling related conspiracy really needed for boxing organizers to gain profit since they are already getting it on legal way.

This is a new area I need to research on. Prior to this time of never heard of anything theory or result manipulation in boxing. I have always thought that boxing was just "boxing" and nothing more to it. Of course I know that there event organizers do their own part to promote the match and make a lot of money for the fighters but never thought a boxer would have control. I'll do a little research and return to the thread as soon I find anything worth sharing.

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Quote from: shanz on August 27, 2024, 07:13:59 AM

Some living champs have undeniable influence in the boxing world, and their fights continue to attract massive attention. With their control over the ring—such as forcing referee changes mid-fight, surprising opponents, or even not following instructions/rules—it raises the question: Could some boxers be backed by major gambling companies so they have more power and control over the ring? (I'm not generalizing Wink

)

Given their status and the huge amount of money involved in these events, it wouldn’t be surprising if a big player in the gambling industry is behind them. What do you think? Could their exhibition tours be more than just boxing entertainment Huh

PS: This is just speculation and not based on any confirmed reports.

Betting on this kind of fight is risky because it is not competitive. For this arranged fights are merely for entertainment and nothing more. I won't want to bet on a match that the boxers have the power to change referees and appoint the one they want. What if they want their sponsor or relative to become the referee?

Rules or instructions are important in a match to avoid cheating and lawlessness. There should always be sanctions for disobeying the rules. If there are no enforceable rules, I would never bet on such a match. I don't know if powerful gambling companies are behind these boxers, but these fights are merely for entertainment and nothing else. I recently watched one of the boxing fights between some former boxers and it was clear that it was staged.

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Quote from: Coin_trader on August 27, 2024, 07:18:25 AM

AFAIK only sponsorship in the match is backed by the gambling companies not the outcome since they are offering both ways. Until now, Mafia and other conspiracy theory about manipulating the result has no solid evidence but I don’t remove it completely out of the picture.

Boxing match gain huge profit through viewership. I’m not sure if gambling related conspiracy really needed for boxing organizers to gain profit since they are already getting it on legal way.

You know, such control over referees and the ring is surprising.
Some athletes seem overly confident, as if they believe everything is under their control. Of course, I agree with you that we can't say for sure if there is a conspiracy, but the situation remains unclear.

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The majority of boxers strive to do things fairly without any regulatory body trying to have a keen interest in them as Champion and the reason is that they do not want any political or unethical practices to start happening because of the little or big support from these companies (regularity body, investors or anything we wish to call them).

Exhibition tours are one of the multiple ways an athlete stands out: retired, active, or semi-retired boxer. If a boxer needs to grow his finances and audience, then he can allow companies to back him up during this period, but the key not is that it has to be based on his permission and authorization.

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AFAIK only sponsorship in the match is backed by the gambling companies not the outcome since they are offering both ways. Until now, Mafia and other conspiracy theory about manipulating the result has no solid evidence but I don’t remove it completely out of the picture.

Boxing match gain huge profit through viewership. I’m not sure if gambling related conspiracy really needed for boxing organizers to gain profit since they are already getting it on legal way.

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Some living champs have undeniable influence in the boxing world, and their fights continue to attract massive attention. With their control over the ring—such as forcing referee changes mid-fight, surprising opponents, or even not following instructions/rules—it raises the question: Could some boxers be backed by major gambling companies so they have more power and control over the ring? (I'm not generalizing Wink

)

Given their status and the huge amount of money involved in these events, it wouldn’t be surprising if a big player in the gambling industry is behind them. What do you think? Could their exhibition tours be more than just boxing entertainment Huh

PS: This is just speculation and not based on any confirmed reports.

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