Topic: Are Christians attacked in France? (Read 186 times)

Heh, its from France where that nonsensical left-right terminology came from. from that very French Revolution that beheaded the monarchy (literally).

One of the articles stated that the cause of the fire in the Notre-Dame cathedral was a fire glitch and was not an attack. A police official said Thursday investigators think a short-circuit most likely caused the fire and there were 40 people have been questioned about it. French newspaper Le Parisien has reported that a fire alarm went off at Notre Dame shortly after 6 p.m. Monday but a computer bug showed the fire's location in the wrong place. It said that the cause was a short circuit in the elevator of the said cathedral.

See this link for further more explanation.
https://www.cbsnews.com/live-news/notre-dame-cathedral-fire-cause-computer-glitch-rector-today-2019-04-19-live-updates/

I hope once your country will loose 1.65% GDP per year so you would feel that if you are talking about the entire country then 1% is a pretty big number.


How do you classify the "christian asts"? If someone has got annoyed by muslims and decided to burn some mosques that doesn't mean he is a religiuos christian. Ofc unless he started to drown in the holy water every muslim that is going to put the fire down.

France is historically a leftist country. Leftists usually don't like churches. That's true.

You should also think that "vandalism" does not necessarily mean it was a targeted hate crime. I know the church in my town regularly gets targeted for a different reason - lead roofing - which is just stolen. It is a crime driven by greed for money and I can imagine that the same is true in France. You have to be careful what you attribute to religious persecution or you just end up propagating myths.

I wouldn't want to travel to a star, but I get what you mean. I disagree, however, and I would say that religion is something that can be a useful tool. It doesn't matter if you were raised Muslim, Christian, or anything else. The path is meant to teach good things, that is all that should be taken from any religion. If it preaches any hate then it is not a religion I know about.

Christians, or Muslims, or anything else, we are all people of the Earth, we are humanity. Religion is a relic of antiquity. As long as we are brainwashed by religion, wars and hatred between people will continue.  With religion, we will never reach the stars.

Yeah why couldn't God just control the weather and cause it to start raining. Damn, oh well. Maybe next time. 

is God too weak to protect his own church or did God not care? 

Some article says that there were some captives when the fire went out. And on that article they captured a man holding a gas can IIRC. So I think it is a work of an arson.

Well since investigation of the cause of the fire out break in the Dome the biggest auditorium in the world, I don't think there is attack on the churches in French because the findings of investigations into the cause of the recent attacks. The government is in the charge of the situation.

There is a number spreading that my dear friend TECSHARE gave out:

IT'S TIME FOR THEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE FACTS CHEEEEEEEEEECK!!!

So real number is a bit less but stil impressive: around 700 churches were vandalized. 875 is an exageration of the newspaper Le Figaro (Right and Christian newspaper) including acts that happened INSIDE churches but didn't aim the building (stealing something from a believer inside a church for example).

Still, 700 is a big number and 875 isn't an incredible exageration.

BUT

Let's put that in perspective.

There are 42 258 churches and Christian buildings in France. 700 vandalism means 1.65% of them have been attacked. Which is already a bit less impressive.

Only 16 mosques vandalized in 2018, far less right? Well as there are only 2368 Islamist buildings it's still 0.67% of them attacked.

For the jews we get only 500 synagogues and most (if not all) of them are protected by soldiers because... Well I can't say what I think here because that would be a crime and France isn't really a free country... But still, wtf? Why should French soldiers protect religious buildings??


So? Well it seems Christians are indeed aimed at more than other religious groups. Important things to take into account though:

-Christian buildings are a historical symbol and are often aimed at by what we could call "laicist warriors" who want to harden separation of church and state. It's not just hate crimes, it's also because they're symbolic of an institutional force.

-Christian religion isn't 100% separated from government in France despite what is said. Some parts of France don't have an official separation of church and state and the state actually pays for the church (Alsace and Moselle, complicated history with the Germans you know). And French president is still "premier et unique chanoine honoraire de l'archibasilique de Saint-Jean-du-Latran, proto-chanoine de l'ancienne cathédrale d'Embrun, proto-chanoine de Notre-Dame de Cléry, chanoine honoraire de la cathédrale Saint-Jean-Baptiste de Saint-Jean-de-Maurienne, premier chanoine honoraire héréditaire de l'église de Saint-Hilaire de Poitiers, premier chanoine honoraire héréditaire de l'église de Saint-Martin de Tours, premier chanoine honoraire héréditaire de la cathédrale Saint-Maurice d'Angers, premier chanoine honoraire héréditaire de la cathédrale Saint-Étienne de Châlons et premier chanoine honoraire héréditaire de la cathédrale Saint-Julien du Mans". Those are honor title but still, can't say it's very laïc...

-Christian attacks are stable through the years. There isn't an "increase in Christian hate", number of anti Christian acts are more or less the same.

-There is a historical hate of the church in France and... Believe me it's not going to disappear.


That's all. From a personnal point of view, I don't see the point of churches vandalism but I also don't like that government is flirting with the church so much and that most churches are a state burden...


Sources (sorry for the French but those are French government numbers):
https://www.interieur.gouv.fr/Actualites/Communiques/Lutte-contre-la-haine-la-discrimination-le-racisme-et-l-antisemitisme
http://patrimoine.blog.pelerin.info/2016/09/13/conference-eveques-de-france-etat-des-lieux-eglises/
https://www.islamophobie.net/tag/vandalisme/
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_de_mosqu%C3%A9es_de_France