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Topic: Are empty blocks without txns allowed ? (Read 1215 times)

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March 15, 2014, 05:36:48 AM
#14
Back in 2012 or early 2013, I dunno, back when I still had a GPU farm to gaze at fondly, there was an extended period of time when someone was producing a large number of empty blocks - people called them the 'Mystery Miner' and speculated they were using a botnet and didn't want to waste time and/or increase detectability by listening out for transactions. I suppose they closed up shop when the ASICs came along. Anyway you could do a search on 'Mystery Miner', there was a lot of buzz at the time, though of course everyone in the know pointed out that it isn't a big problem, just delays valid transactions a little. Oh also there's a poster called MysteryMiner but I think they just chose the name for the lulz. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em...

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Vile Vixen and Miss Bitcointalk 2021-2023
March 14, 2014, 10:34:35 PM
#13
IT happens but it is hard to say if it is allowed or not.
What are you talking about? It's allowed. It's not hard to say that. Anything that's not allowed will be rejected by all nodes and those blocks will not become part of the blockchain.
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March 14, 2014, 06:25:11 AM
#12
IT happens but it is hard to say if it is allowed or not.
legendary
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March 14, 2014, 06:12:31 AM
#11
Blocks with only 1 transaction: 84429  Cry
http://blockr.io/trivia/block
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March 14, 2014, 12:16:49 AM
#10
What if after all bitcoins are mined there is a block with no transactions, not even generation?

Probably unlikely because they will be wasting some kind of PoW resource for no return at all. Miners probably won't start mining unless they have transactions to make it worth it. It could be being used to attack the network by delaying transactions, but this is a well-known attack vector--while it doesn't make economic sense, it can be done.
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March 13, 2014, 01:42:20 PM
#9
Each block improves security of blockchain. Even empty one.
legendary
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March 13, 2014, 01:09:46 PM
#8
 What if after all bitcoins are mined there is a block with no transactions, not even generation?
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legendary
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March 13, 2014, 02:24:11 AM
#5
But miners will automatically get 25 BTC by mining these kind of a block ...right ?
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March 13, 2014, 02:22:12 AM
#4
This most likely happened because the miner did not receive any transactions between the last block and this one: block 290330 is timestamped 06:29:04, while the block in question is timestamped 06:30:18.

Someone got very lucky.
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March 13, 2014, 02:15:22 AM
#3
Is this allowed?

Yes, as you can see by now other miners have built on top of that block.

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Questions:
1. Why would a miner do this and not include any transaction missing the fees?
2. If everybody started doing this bitcoin will be mined but no transactions will occur, is it a flaw?

1. Why? because they can.
What other reasons might cause a miner to mine a block like this.
  • There's no other unconfirmed transactions in their memory pool, unlikely
  • The mining software might be quickly issuing work based on the previous block header before syncing its mempool based on the transactions in that block. Basically trying to get a headstart on other miners with a small chance of quickly solving an "empty" block*

2. It shouldn't happen. Miners would be missing out on accumulating transaction fees, and would ruin the network making their rewards worthless.
"Empty" blocks are going to happen from time to time, they won't make up the majority of blocks while the Bitcoin network is still actively utilized.

*A mining pool operator might be able to shed light on this. I'm guessing that if there is a short period of time that a miner is working on an empty block, they are generating a valid merkle tree of unconfirmed transactions in the background and then start working on that instead of an empty block.

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Vile Vixen and Miss Bitcointalk 2021-2023
March 13, 2014, 02:13:24 AM
#2
1. Why would a miner do this and not include any transaction missing the fees?
To reduce the size of the block, thereby reducing transmission time and the chance it will be orphaned, which would lose not only the transaction fees but also the block subsidy. As the block subsidy decreases, so does incentive to drop fee-paying transactions, so this will not be an issue in the long term. In the short term, raising transaction fees is an option if too many miners start doing this.

2. If everybody started doing this bitcoin will be mined but no transactions will occur, is it a flaw?
It's a flaw in the miner's business plan once people start paying greater transaction fees that the miner is missing out on. Competition will ensure that only miners who actually include transactions (and take the fees) will remain profitable.
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March 13, 2014, 01:36:42 AM
#1
Is this allowed?

https://blockchain.info/block-index/475455/0000000000000000052cb46227baeb2dc70ab51a554433262cf89378696903d9

Looks like a empty block mined with no transaction (except for the mining reward of 25 BTC)

Questions:
1. Why would a miner do this and not include any transaction missing the fees?
2. If everybody started doing this bitcoin will be mined but no transactions will occur, is it a flaw?
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