Topic: Are Legendary and other higher rank members abusing the Merit System? (Read 528 times)

You guys still don't seem to have grasped the purpose of the merit system. Once again, it is NOT a ranking tool - activity is the driving force behind ranking. Merit is a system to encourage quality posting, and it is indepenent of rank. Legendaries need merits in the same way as new members - it is a quality rating of posting activity by the community, and it provides valuable feedback to the poster.

In view of the large number of spammy low value posts, it was determined that a ranking barrier should be created, and this is the merit system. If the community has not indicated approval for a member's posts, then the poster will have to accept restrictions on the benefits of membership. The needs of a member are not relevant, the sole consideration should be his value to the community.

You are only more than 2 weeks in this forum and here you are complaining already about the merits system that you think someone is abusing their merits. Those example thread that you post was made right after the merit system was introduced. This one could not give you any symphathy or any merits at all

The beginning of the merit system was a bit weird as a lot of people didn't understand exactly what it should be used for (some don't know even today). I bet a lot of people were just playing with them at that point and didn't understand what it's true purpose was.
I even remember someone getting 50 merit for calling the other a "butt hurt idiot" which was simply stupid.

There still are some cases like that and when you see it, you definitely get discouraged.
Take a look at this post: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.45811067 he essentially said nothing but still got 20 merits. There are a lot of 1-2 line replies (that do not bring any value) that are also rewarded with high amounts of merit.
You can find a lot of those here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topreplies , it's a bit sad.

For example, I have created a guide to exchanges where I invested a lot of time into, but was not seen as "important" as other discussions here:  [Guide] Best/Top Crypto Exchanges: Fees & more. I think it also has to do with making your posts visible enough to others but I do get discouraged when I put in the time and don't receive merit.

Please keep in mind that merit is not moderated so, you can talk all you want about the abuses and nothing will happen (other that a negative trust maybe).

I think you should focus on making the best posts you can and not worrying about the "this noise" because it isn't really something you or I can control.  

I personally try to avoid meriting Legendary users, not because they don't deserve merit but because they simply don't need them to rank-up. I prefer to award merit to people who actually need it.

Another bitter newbie.  


Just try our chili pepper at 20$ a kilo and be a Legend

None taken, and you have been here for just too little time till now. Plus making a thread about merit in meta. You are not getting any merits for this.

Life is unfair get used to it. If you still feel that its unfair you should leave the forum. Or you can try sending some "Merit Broke My Life! Halp Sir" PMs to theymos but Im not sure if you are going to get any reply at all.

Because older members here put in some effort to make posts. It is beyond the comprehension of a tiny brained spammer who comes to the forum to spam for bucks but for those who care about the forum for them the good posts catch the eye even if the newbies try to make worthy posts because they have been here for a longer time now. 99% of the posts in any thread by newbies dont even have any reading value.

Of course Legendaries and Heroes need merit. All the merits they get are merits that aren't available for the spambies.

Of course they are abusing the Merit System ... but by writing content that is decent enough to be merited, and standing out above the immense majority of posts. Do they need the Merit? Well, it they want to enrol on any decent signature campaign they do nowdays, since these campaigns tend to apply a non-spam policy along with a baseline requirement of earned merit (non-airdropped). Merit has many connotations and one of them is laterally recognition, and no rank should be deprived of it.

You will always find counter-examples of just about everything, and merit awarded to posts you don’t see fit is no exception (specially back in the early days of the Merit System). But taking an overall bird’s eye view, the immense majority of merited high-ranked member posts will bring something to the table.

Forum members who fulfill the requirements of having the right to receive MERIT depend on those who have SMERIT "high ranking members" by looking at the member posts that are appropriate for them even though for lower members it is only an ordinary post, because this is their progressive assessment and rights regardless of whether he does not need services / is also very much needed as a step to get a higher rank. because MERIT is an achievement not only a priority to raise the rank of members but is an award for those who post with good post quality

Merit was not created for rank improvement. In fact the reverse is true, as merit ws created to block upranking, and activity is the engine for rank improvement. Merit was created as a barrier to restrict the advancement of the unworthy. Unfortunately most of the unworthy are noisy pollutants, and as a result of their actions, advancement is slowed for the worthy but unnoticed.

I think our newbies should take their time and understand the merit system very well. Merit is not mainly made for rank advancement, though it is one of the requirements. It was introduced to motivate quality posts and reduce spam on the forum. To whom the merit is given doesn't matter, a jnr. member can even decide to award merit to a legendary.
Once again, awarding a merit to a post is subjective, what may be relevant to you might be irrelevant to me. And also it could be that the fellow you are expecting to give merit to your post has exhausted all his sendable merits.
If you really want to grow on this forum...watch your words.

I believe the merit system is very fair and just. People who make constructive posts are being rewarded if only someone with enough merits sees your posts and it is worth meriting. Let us remember that merit is given when people think your post is relevant.

What i see here about your post is not a concern but rather desperation. You have been here not long and I'm pretty sure it is your first time. Did you really take time before sending those two threads? If you did,you would have known it was an old system and therefore hardly apply of late. People decide to award you merits per their discretion. You may think you've written an "A" post but it may be shit to most people. Focus on making genuine and  thought provoking posts and you will gain merits from our superiors.

you are the king of shitposters from you previous messages as I read

This is quite a funny post you have created. After one week you joined this forum and you have been able to make such observations. `Its very sad all your posts made on this forum expect this can be classified as shitpost.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.45688377
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/should-school-offer-bitcoin-blockchain-education-4482225
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.45696151
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.45696350
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.45777271
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.45777865
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.45778260
 
Please advise yourself from making any more shitposts.

Registered 1 week ago about. It's as if a 10-year-old kid tell me "I've seen everything in my life"



(Just a comparison, I'm not saying you have a 10-year-old kid mentality.)

Merit is given to an exemplary helpful and constructive posts and there is no exemption of awarding merits between ranks. It would be better if you try to posts something new that is unique and that could be taken a lesson for everyone here in the forum for sure it would rain merits for that post.  

We all know difference of tastes; difference of opinions; difference of judgments. It depends on knowledge levels too.   In the eyes of one person the opinion shared by someone may be not be good but the other person finding knowing some facts about the issue understands it better and makes his different opinion. 
So if someone meriting post of other may be having higher level of knowledge and experience than us.   
A judge of higher court may reverse the judgement of lower court because the higher court understands the issue on the basis of their own knowledge; facts and witnesses which the lower court could not.

Gosh Another shitpost from these newbies. when at all are we going to get rid of them?

There is a big problem at the moment in this forum. Spambies seem to be desperate to scratch the odd merit, and they  don't use any creativity or research ability. Instead they seem to think that starting a thread with an over-posted topic is a good way to gain merit, so they make some trivial alteration or twist in a concept, and add that to an over-polluted board. Old established member ( ie. people who have been here for more than 6 months) are pretty fed up with wading through the flotsam and jetsam emanating from the passengers here. This is why you can see direct comments by TMAN being merited for example.

The spambies need to realise that their pollution of the boards is creating the situation, and increasing their disadvantages here.

Wtf, you just joined September 14, 2018, almost a week and your start complaining about merit and legendary member's. It's look to me you are one line poster except this thread. Jet Cash new title spambie appropriate for you.
You should concentrent to make quality post instated of make accusation.

So they should send merit to shitposter ? Due they they don't have chance for further rank up. Merit deserve by post, not by rank. If you have constructive or useful post obviously you will get. Your rank isn't fact.

You've been here a week, and every post you've made except this one is a one line shitpost.

The thread you linked to was the thread where merit was announced for the first time. In the first week or two after merit was created, it was given much more liberally because of the initial airdrop. You can quite clearly see this from the merit data graphs created by various members of the forum which I have no doubt you haven't looked at. Using that thread as an example is misleading at best. You can equally go in to any ANN thread and see newbies being merited for simply reporting their Facebook posts.

If you want to earn merits, try posting something a bit more insightful than:

You have not done your homework properly. What I see is that those posts were from very early days of introducing the merit system. That time most of the people did not understand very well before they send merit to each others. I was not there that time however this is a guess using commonsense.

Merit does have a use to appreciate good quality posts, it's not just linked to ranking up. A good quality post does not have to be a very long and highly constructive. A single line comment could be a good post depending on the humor expressed on the comment.

No offence, but ever since i registered into this forum i have been observing some trend in this forum regarding the rewarding of merit to deserving post. I read that forum members should not beg nor pm other people for merits but rather make quality post and merits would be given.

One thing that i have observed is that Legendary members award themselves high number of merits even to any ordinary reply by his/her colleague makes on a topic. i am not against awarding merits to each other if it is deserving but i am just saying it is quite unfair to reward a fellow Legendary member high number of merits for just an ordinary post when another member can make a whole lot of research and just receive some few number of merits.
Just check out this whole thread and consider critically how the merits are being given out
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/merit-new-rank-requirements-2818350

For these two posts i just don't want to comment about it because it seems to me that, the rules are being broken for some people
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.28856910
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.28856972


I know someone may bring this arguement that any individual can give merit according to his/her discretion but the point is Legendary members are not ranking up to any further rank so why dash them that huge number of merits when there are other lower rank members who equally deserve to rank up with some quality post of theirs.
Let's all have a great week