Topic: Are no KYC casinos taking risks? (Read 634 times)

Aside from being users need to be careful when choosing a new casino, it's good to make it a habit for now that if trying a new casino, always expect that KYC might be a big concern when it comes to withdrawal. If possible, aside from reading the Terms and Service regarding KYCs, users can also contact the support for a clear answer about that.

We can't generalize that all new casinos want to cheat their customers through KYC once there is an attempt to withdraw a big amount.

Going buy you comment I think it's safer and better to work with the long existing casinos who have been in existence for long time and have got good reputation enough to be trusted because they are most likely not to deny their customers wining on the ground of KYC which has not been done or completed as they are done mostly at registration or not even requested at all.

I agree with you if it comes to the long existing and reputable casinos, if for any reason they requested KYC, the requested document should be provided them as legal actions can be taken against them in case where things goes otherwise, but if it's with these new companies who are yet to get the required reputation they could possibly make away with customers funds and probably get away with it.

That's why we have to be careful if we want to use a new casino and check it first before we register. New casinos may easily change their rules and not tell all their customers because some casinos really want to cheat their customers. Even if the customer manages to win some money, the casino will make it difficult for the customer to withdraw the money because the casino asks the customer to do KYC first before the casino processes the withdrawal. That's what we have to avoid, and we should play gambling at trusted and popular casinos so that we won't experience any problems.

It all depends on the kind of casino company you're dealing with. Some of the new casino companies does request for the KYC in their bids to deny their customers payment after winning huge amount of money while long existing and popular casino companies do ask for KYC so they can verify the customer wether he's the true account owner or an an imposter. For the long existing casino companies, I think it shouldn't be a big deal to provide them with all requested documents that'll prove you to be legally fit enough to claim your winnings

No KYC casino is good for people who don't like KYC, but unfortunately it's really hard to find a trustworthy no KYC casino. A KYC casino isn't always legit too, so it's really depends on the casino's reputation.

He's promoting Bitvest and I don't see there's mentioned about AML policy, so he's promoting a red flag project, maybe he deserve to get a negative feedback.

I seen some new casinos who do not want their player to win big and withdraw that amount easily, They ask for various documents for KYC, many different kind of documents like bank statement with transaction id for all transactions, paycheck, electricity bill, passport, etc. I once made an account on a new casino by seeing their bonuses, I deposited first time it was deposited with no problem, Then after busting that amount I deposited 2nd time but that deposit was not arrived I contacted support for it, that my deposit was not arrived in my account, they provided the casinos finance division's email for sending the issue, They I got a reply from them after 2 days they asked for various kind of documents, that was around 12days long process because they were so slow to reply on emails. after all until today I didn't have got my refund. so stay away with new casinos which offer huge bonuses or bonuses which seems suspicious.

Red flag immediately? But a lot of new casinos I see are like that. Maybe there's also a requirement to apply for AML like a casino needs to have a good number of active players first? I believe that casinos that don't have an AML policy are not primarily created to help the fraudsters but they are only here for business.

Many gamblers loves them because they hate KYC. Also there is no guarantees that KYC-enabled casino can filter the frauds effectively. Money launderers are only doing their thing. There is no way they can harm other innocent users. It was the hacker is the ones we should worry but any casino can prevent them as long as they will only tighten their security. I don't mean KYC/AML there.

I think a casino not regulated by AML is a red flag already. AML regulations are there for a reason and that is to keep an eye on transactions and prevent illegal activities, such as money laundering. It is crucial for monitoring financial transactions and ensuring that illegal activities are prevented so as you say, without proper regulations, casinos could potentially operate without oversight and it can lead to various risks especially to customers. If they bypass KYC too, rhere must be something illegal going on.  It is possible but it should be taken lightly both by the customers annd the regulators and everyone in the industry too.

Even if the strictness of AML policy gets even more constricted, I don't think that we're going to see an end to casinos that don't do KYC, like during the time of Prohibition, the alcohol sales didn't really lowered or even the people who drinks alcohol ever go down. The only thing that a stricter AML policy does is make those KYC non-compliant more sneaky. The best thing that they can do in this case would be to get better at tracing or following the money, improving the forensic accounting department is the key to all of this problem.

For whatsoever reason why they will ask for KYC is going to be known to them only, not you, so how will you know what went wrong? Still they have the control and the right to ask anyone for KYC when you don't expect, this says everything, it is not always when you deposit large amount or when you log into the platform from another brand new phone, there can be other reasons.

I wish every casinos that don't necessary ask for KYC will always come out and tell their customers what really went wrong as why they are asking them to pass KYC, this is the only thing I don't like about gambling platforms.

Still I don't have problem with KYC verification, in fact I prefer passing the KYC verification before I start using the platform to place my bets and have some fun, there will be no unexpected KYC requirement or others because I am already verified.

Sometimes they are playing with words. I have visited some casinos that claim to be no KYC, usually have conversation with their customer support representatives to confirm things but then they say that they may ask for KYC if there is something wrong. I.E. some of them call themselves no KYC because they don't ask you for KYC to play but they still may request KYC documents from you if they think there is something suspicious with you.

But there are also some casinos that don't really ask for KYC. These casinos are usually small and not so comfortable to use. In this case, if you risk to use such casino, you should keep in mind that it's risky but also you should keep in mind to lean towards the one that has highest trust in this community.

Nowadays, gamblers choose registered and licensed casinos because they do not want to experience scamming from their casinos. But licensed casinos also apply KYC to their members to monitor all their members who will gamble at their casinos. The casino does not want any of its members to be involved in illegal activities, so they will always monitor activities and ask their members to do KYC when they want to withdraw their big winnings. Some casinos implement KYC when registering, so there are no problems later. So for now, unlicensed and unregistered casinos are not a good choice for gamblers because of the scamming already happening everywhere.

Yes, there are casinos that don't have any problems with allowing a user to withdraw as much as they can without having the need to ask about KYC.

They're just compliant and needs to ask KYC because of the regulatory bodies that are also monitoring them and that's why it's being pushed and passed on the users even if they don't want to.

It is not a question anymore as many if not all crypto gamblers are aware of this when they do ask it, if not then that's good on your end that doesn't like to comply yet.

Well, a lot of platforms don't acquire a license so that they can provide their services without asking their customers for KYC verification because they feel that there is a high demand for no-KYC platforms within the gambling community and it's true to some extent. However, I believe most people are slowly accepting their faith and understanding that a no-KYC platform won't really be able to stay around for very long, it will either close down or it will be forced to comply with the KYC and AML rules.

So, even if a casino doesn't have any intentions of doing criminal acts or allowing that to happen, it will have to give up on its arrogance and accept the rules of the regulators or they will simply close it down which will be a big loss for the owner of the casino as they will lose everything they've invested in it.

There’s a risk for unregistered casino and it affects most the gambler since they are taking bigger risk on playing on that site though decentralized gambling site are still growing despite of the risk, we might see more of those site in the future. Complying with the KYC terms is all for the purpose if AMLA policy and those who have their licensed can’t do anything about it but to comply, especially if the funds becomes suspicious.

It is only an unregistered and an unlicensed casino that will not be concerned about asking for KYC because they know that there is really no consequences for it. They are not bound by any law. Most of these online casinos operate offshore where they can hide their other clandenstine activities which includes money laundering.As a result, they evade the authorities which creates significant risks for both players and the broader financial system.

See AML issue was not so mandatory in the past but nowadays kyc system has become so important that kyc is mentioned in mandatory terms and conditions of a gambling and casino site. However the reasons behind it are mentioned yet AML/KYC system is being mandated to gain popularity and trustworthiness of gambling and casino sites. However, most casinos and gambling sites do not make KYC verification mandatory. Moreover, till now most of the users are against KYC/AML and they are not ready to share their personal information online.

Even still there are platforms who do really let or allow huge withdrawals without having those kind of requirements or sudden KYC which they could really be able to pull out those funds or huge wins with ease and its true
that those casinos are still that existing as of today and they arent really that asking for those KYC even hitting up some threshold as long they wont really be able to see some shady activity on users/gamblers part then it should really be just fine but we know that regulation becomes even more stricter with these kind of business or platform plus having  that kind of impression that these businesses are needing some license to have some sort of security on which some gamblers are really that minding on and this is why they do prefer on seeing these platforms compared to those who dont have.

Taking up risks? They had been the first that exist on the market specially in talking about crypto related platform on which they had been long time or couple of years ahead compared into those
platforms which does have licensed or simply being regulated. Some do make out some adjustments and requiring themselves to be licensed and there are
ones who do really that remain still.

Nope. Not at all cases.

There are legitimate casinos that do maintain their posture for being a non KYC casino for some of their users that are clean on their activities. Yeah, it's typical that they should ask KYC for everyone but that only happens when it's really needed.

So, if there's no need for them to ask a player for KYC then they wouldn't do that. They'll only do that when something triggers them coming from that user like huge or unusual withdrawals or deposits.

There are still legit gamblers who are not comfortable with giving away their KYC information to someone and its acceptable too cause data is the new gold so you can't simply go with the trust of a site that may exist only for a few years.

Casinos can't operate if they are from the region where KYC/AML policies has become mandatory so casinos were forced to implement this rule in the first place even if they are against it but that is the situation so they are trying to survive with what they have and so for doing great as a sector.

Still there are craze for very few trusted non-KYC casinos but most of them don't have any bonus system which most gamblers don't like so yes it's possible but they are on the verge of implementing the rule at any time.

In fact almost all casino establishments are well aware that it is illegal in many countries so they don't ask for kyc so that users can gamble and withdraw money freely. You know kyc is a call that can identify you 100% so everyone wants to be secretive to gamble. However some casinos have a certain range for withdrawing money so kyc may be required to reach that target range. On the other hand casino owners don't want to get into any trouble so they want kyc because they have registration to operate the casino so they want to be risk free. However to have an account with a good casino site, you must follow their policies.

Well, its either you are not a gambler, or you are just ignorant of the times that we are in, wake up man, we are no longer in 2015, this is 2023 and  soon enough, we will enter 2024 by the grace of God..

Things are changing rapidly, in terms of crypto regulation which is one of the means through which several online casinos offer deposits and withdrawals to customers, with the government on various levels stepping in to regulate crypto, be rest assured that every centralize platforms that offer any form of crypto related services will be under serious mandate to request kyc verification from their customers, gambling casinos included, as long as the casino is licensed.

Being registered or not doesn't stop criminals from perpetuating their evil undetected many of the times.
 The KYC verification is for customers to know that the casino can be trusted, but in cases where these casinos don't require it from their customers,  rules have to be followed before some rewards or winnings would be withdrawn upon a certain limit.
Regulators only bear down hard on casinos after having constant reports of scams, or hack or sudden freezing of  customer asset for no good reason, money laundering accusations too.

No KYC casinos are taking risk, but they already know that and know how they work around this issue. Where it becomes a real problem is when the casino steals customers funds or hack their accounts or freeze it.

To not demand KYC doesn't mean the casino is going to scam customers. Freebitco.in is working since 2013 and has never asked for KYC from gamblers. Moreover, even unregulated casinos can operate honestly for long periods of time without any problems for customers, while a regulated casino may act shady against gamblers through unclear terms and conditions or sudden changes on it without warning gamblers beforehand. After all, what really matters is the intention of the casino's operator and not the bureaucracy the system imposes to everyone through regulations.

A thief will find a gap on any laws sooner or later to continue being a thief, while an honest man doesn't need any laws to enforce him to do the right thing.

I think KYC is not taking casino risk because KYC platforms expose players to various risks KYC is not a mandatory process in gambling for any online casino or gambling app. Abiding by these rules only harms the gambling platform financially or reputationally and harms other users and ultimately the economy as a whole. License crypto casinos require no verification so you don't have to pass any KYC verification which not only saves your time but also doesn't force you to share personal data. If you are a part of one of these casinos, you will benefit in many ways such as low fees, fast transactions and high level of security from anywhere in the world.

Isn't it true that even if a casino has KYC regulations in the crypo space, it is still misused by other gamblers when one of its providers leaks on the platform? So, with or without KYC, exploitative people are still involved. It's only that the average appears to be larger when gambling in Japan because there are more dangers involved.

Apart from casinos that do not require kyc, dummy accounts are frequently abused in comparison to licensed casinos that demand kyc gambling players. Those who attempt to play in no kyc should be aware of the risks they may face.

In a no KYC zone casino and other betting platforms, there will always be high risk of fraud but it doesn't mean that because KYC are been requested will stop fraud and scams from players, there will always be some guys that will stop fraud thing even if there is detective that guard the casino, even in physical base casino where people represent each one or one is  full of players that do cheat their win to win, its a normal thing for every casino to have cheaters only that KYC is one of the ways you can reduce them.

Other than that, there are other techniques Casino does use to catch cheaters in the casino, I have experience some cases in reputation board where two verify accounts are reported of been related from their activity and the IP address also reveal the same location about the two of them and after much investigations was carried out, the casino investigation team shows eveident that the account belong to the same person, so you see that KYC is not to prevent fraud from happening right.

With all these, KYC is not enough to prevent all this cheating you mentioned but it can reduced it actually but then again, are we going to be giving out our privacy because of their own interest, just because player X is cheating don't mean Player Y will do the same, if it is about the bonuses, I don't think its all the player that want the bonus in the first place because of the condition that comes with it.

This is all because the current situation and conditions are very different from the previous few years, where in the past, casinos that did not ask their users to do KYC or KYC-free casinos could be a comfortable place to gamble. These casinos have even become trusted casinos for gamblers, but because there are regulators who want to know and have gamblers' data, these casinos have finally registered with the regulator. They are now asking their users to do KYC.

So if you can find casinos like that, you can gamble without doing KYC. But remember to only gamble with money you can afford. Don't gamble excessively because this could make the casino suspect you and in the end, you will be asked to do KYC. That will be a problem and is often faced by gamblers.

Casinos are centralized entities so obviously it does not matter where they are registered, or where their server location is, they must submit to the law of the government and follow the regulators guidelines. Casinos are heavily regulated. So obviously the casinos which advertise as NO-KYC are just pretending to be non kyc. Its a marketing tactic to get the people who hate KYC interested in their casino. But 100% of the time, those "no-kyc" casinos demand kyc sooner or later.

Any casino which offers real no-kyc is probably a scam and I would not feel safe putting my money on such a platform in the first place. Obviously nobody with at least half a brain would do that.

Until the day comes that REAL decentralized casinos exist, there will always be KYC requirements.

KYC is only needed by casino platforms for their obligations because it is regulated in a region and casinos need this data as verification with the regulator. The presence or absence of a KYC feature does not make a casino platform untrustworthy, there are also many casino platforms with KYC that end in fraud, but there are also casino platforms without KYC that are still operating today. So I don't really agree with what you said.
However, with KYC it becomes more secure for users, because users are verified and if there is a problem it can be followed up quickly by the regulator, whereas on platforms without KYC users are not covered by any protection.

It is disappointing to see bitcoiners being such ardent proponents of authoritarian regulation and surveillance. It is impossible for casinos to properly follow the regulations of every single country and territory in the world. Every online casino is probably illegal in one place or another. Whether a casino is licensed or unlicensed it is alway the responsibility of the user to follow their local laws. There are plenty of KYC compliant places such as banks which are often used for money laundering so there's absolutely no reason whatsoever to go after a casino as long as they are not facilitating illegal activity. Bad people will try to do bad things regardless of whether they are asked for privacy invasive information.

It is possible that they are not yet registered and have started illegally. Starting with no statement of KYC registration in sign up stage, deposit stage or even withdrawal stage in their "Terms of service" is a big red flag and sign of a casino that may just have been opened for a criminal reason, a casino with no intentions to remain in the business.

KYC requirement is not only to curtail money laundering activities, It is also helping to reduce the increasing number of underaged gamblers.

Maybe the risk is that when it comes to security, it is not that high because most of the gambling platforms that do not have KYC are dex platforms, or, if we don't know, they are illegal casinos to operate. That's why we should somehow have an idea of the casino we will enter to play gambling.

Then it seems more prone to phishing, but I don't think all casinos without KYC are like that. Apart from this, it can also be abused by gambling players. They can easily use it for fraud and money laundering, for sure, because it has no regulatory compliance.

I think if anyone is running a casino where the KYC conditions are relaxed by the government, only then they may be able to run a non-KYC casino. However, it is hard to find such a government setup which will allow this.

Secondly, if someone is operating an online casino virtually and they are able to hide their identity, they may give you a non-KYC casino but those casinos are short lived and we cannot trust them for big money.

Running a non KYC is big risk for the gambling operators and also a small risk for those who are playing at those casinos.

Casino needs a license to operate in specific country. How can casino be regulated without AML policy. that does not even make sense. Who will be controlling the money laundering? Unregistered casino meant illegal business to operate in specific countries.
KYC is a must to complete identity verification to prevent various criminal acts like money laundering. I have no problem with KYC for AML purpose.

It is not possible. A country that requires KYC as a minimum verification for casino users will ban or imprison operators who fail to comply.
It is caused by regulation is also needed not only in casino but in our life casino.

Not matter for gambler playing for fun in casino and seems have been habit common when KYC in gambling or casino account, the same as crypto hunter have did several time KYC in exchange market looks not worry have to KYC with casino or gambling account. But left casino and gambling account are free for playing without KYC still enjoying there and not submit document yet during not required by gambling account or my withdrawing fund not bigger yet.
Some gambler KYC become big problem for them because want to make his privacy when playing in casino or active in gambling platform, why many gambler interested with casino or cryptocurrency gambling because more privacy than using deposit fund trough fiat where Bank account will publish there and not privacy yet.

The casino without kyc had two way of face,one is to scam the people who deposit the money.They keep allow the gambler to play their website for the certain period of time.After reaching the good value,the casino will scam like the FTX exchange and fly with the deposit money and winning money of the gamblers.If the company is very big one,they will involve in gambling just for the hobby.To keep their money source accountable,the casino will run the just for the accountable.This also reason for the casino to make allow the gamblers to do the casino without the kyc.

It largely depends on the country the casino is hosted in. There are places that still don't force casinos to follow KYC standards with their customers and I think that's okay.

The only problem I see is that KYC-free casinos are becoming increasingly rare, so finding a reputable, reputable and trustworthy KYC-free casino is increasingly difficult.

In these cases, I recommend that the player prefers to play at a KYC casino rather than risking their bets and money at a KYC casino that is not secure.
Fortunately, I just play for fun, and I don't remember the last time I made a withdrawal, as I always use all the funds to play more games (the few times I get a positive balance), so KYC hasn't been a problem for me.

Of course they can, but it implies limitations for the business. A casino which doesn't adopt KYC procedure will be very limited inside the industry, because it won't be allowed in many countries where regulators enforce it to consider a business legit and legal. So they prefer to follow the legal requirements to be available to a larger public, to more potential customers. We can't blame casinos for that reason, after all they have to stay competitive and to seek for the ways disponible to them to increase their customers' base.

I will have to agree with that. I don't really mind a KYC-dependent gambling site because it is part of the rule so that they won't be looked at with money laundering issues. Some people won't understand this because they like their privacy to be intact. Well, a reputable casino will keep our information in a safe place and if ever they are done with their business I wish they will delete them all. But that will take how many years before they end their business? Maybe 10? 20? or a lifetime?
A gambling site that obeys the rules is more trustworthy than others who would like to preserve the privacy of their clients and so is with them. Imagine an anonymous gambling site. If they take your money, there's no knowledge where they will be.

we have several casinos in this forum that don't require kyc, but they have gained loyal patrons thru the years already. this is why maybe they are not looking at licensing their site because they still have the players to sustain their site.
but since the trend is also changing in this online business, most new casinos and bookies are implementing kyc owed to their gambling license.

They're probably registered but they're not following the rules intended for casinos. With that, the gamblers will be put at a high risk. KYC should be made compulsory so that if there will be unpredicted money laundering at the middle of gambling, the casino will immediately identify who is at fault, otherwise if they fail to do that, the regulators or the people in authorities might put the casino subject for investigation.

KYC procedures are implemented primarily for safety and the prevention of fraud and illegal activities. However when you share your personal documents with a casino, they gain access to a literally a lot information about you, which could potentially be used to track you in case of any suspicious activities.

This type of regulation is typically not found in smaller casinos, as they may lack the financial resources to set up such procedures on their websites. However, I think as these smaller casinos grow and accumulate a larger customer base, they may eventually be compelled to introduce these regulatory measures and start to request their customers to complete the KYC procedure and verify their accounts.

You do not understand the whole idea behind this "NO KYC" strategy, because it is done to acquire startup funds for the legitimate phase that follows that phase. The majority of the smaller casinos start out with the "NO KYC" thing to gain as much new gamblers as possible and then once enough startup capital are raised.... the start to enforce KYC requirements. 

Some people say the smaller casinos operate under the radar of the authorities and that the authorities are looking the other way... but once they grow big enough.... regulators start taking notice and they force them to require verification.

Maybe it was the case that you asked the following:

How many casinos that have a license in Curacao have already been inspected by the government of Curacao?

How many casinos have already been fined by the Curacao government?

How many casinos have been closed by the Curacao government because they considered the casino was stealing people's money?

How many people have complained about casinos to the Curacao government and those same people have gotten their money back?

I think these were the questions you should have asked yourself first before getting to the question about kyc, I say this because when you have answers to these questions I asked, you will see that the Curacao license provider is not like a license provider with a great reputation and who keeps inspecting casinos to the point that if any casino does not comply with kyc then the casino will be fined, we have to start seeing what type of license provider we are dealing with and talking about before we get into thoughts that If a casino does not comply with kyc then it will be sanctioned.

Look, I'm not against kyc, but I think it's not necessary to force people to do kyc at the time of creating an account or at the time of withdrawal, I don't see any reason for them to do that. I think that kyc should be for cases in which suspicious activities are detected and also for those who voluntarily do it as soon as they create an account to have a higher withdrawal limit. There are many ways to combat money laundering without having to force people to do KYC right away. In the real world when a person enters a physical casino they show their ID and play at the casino and when paying they receive their money without much bureaucracy, I saw this on TV. I could be wrong because I've never been to a physical casino

but honestly, I see a lot of online casinos going overboard and using kyc as a way to steal customers' money, and the license provider simply does nothing. So how will the license provider know that a casino is not asking for KYC even though it has a license? and was it the license provider that forced casinos to ask for kyc when creating accounts? where is this written? Can anyone show us what rules the Curacao license provider places in relation to kyc?

Hey, you've hit the nail on the head there! With all the sneaky stuff going on in the gambling world, I'm honestly surprised some casinos are still playing it fast and loose with KYC. I mean, c'mon, skipping the identity check might sound all chill and user-friendly, but it's basically a neon sign saying "Potential shady business ahead!"

I'm with you; seeing a casino with no KYC is a big-time side-eye from me. And the fines? Pshh, good luck to those casinos that think they can just dodge the system. They're setting themselves up for some real headaches. Thinking they can roll without AML policy is just... well, naive might be putting it kindly. Makes you wonder if they've even got their papers in order, right? 

The KYC procedure is of great importance both for tracking the winnings of users from gambling and for tracking the customer portfolio. It is also very important to ensure the safety of users. Every legal casino is required to comply with this procedure and this proves the legality of the casinos that implement the procedure. This requires casino to comply with the procedure if it is legal.

The reason why I generally don't prefer casino services that don't comply with the KYC procedure is that I doubt their legality and they create problems in the perception of trust. Since it is mandatory to track users earnings and report them to the government, every casino must comply with this procedure. The fact that casino services that don't follow this procedure are likely to be illegal and my funds are at risk accordingly is definitely an important red point for me.

In summary, it is important to choose casino services that apply the KYC procedure as it proves that mandatory transactions have been implemented, such as user earnings can be tracked by the government, the real customer base can be determined and the legal obligation is fulfilled by the casino business. There is no difference between handing over your money to an illegal casino and handing over your money to someone you don't know.

That is why everything will be a choice for us. If we like the casino, we can register and deposit the money. But if we can still look for other casinos. The important thing is that we know which casino we want so we don't feel forced to register. Also, if it is a casino that we want, we will agree to the conditions at the casino and will comply with them even if it means having to do KYC. And there are still many casinos out there that might be the casinos we are looking for and finding them on this forum is the best thing we can do to avoid scam casinos.

You don't need to be suspicious, though, as we are dealing with a system. The information they require is for everyone who would sign up. It's very simple; the answer is only yes or no. If we don't like their system, then we shouldn't sign up. That way, we will avoid complaining later if they make the withdrawal process difficult for us or, worse, if they go bankrupt. You know they could use that as an excuse, but in reality, they plan to scam us.

Even if a casino is not registered but asks their customers to do KYC, we should be suspicious because we do not know their reason for asking us to do KYC. But for now, casinos already have a license and ask their customers to do KYC so that the casino knows who their customers are and ensures that their customers do not do illegal things that could harm their business. But customers can still rest easy because there are casinos that are not too strict regarding KYC, so only customers who use large amounts of money will be asked to do KYC. So we as gamblers can only follow the rules so that we don't get into any problems.

Well, I'm not sure if they actually don't know the consequences or not, but they most probably do it because of the demand by the gamblers that don't want to submit their personal information to a casino. So casinos that come up with the policy that they won't require KYC from gamblers are basically targeting the audience that don't like the concept of KYC and they wish to get more engagement because they are not forcing users to submit KYC.

I believe a casino that registers itself and acquires a valid license to operate won't be able to run without asking customers for KYC because registered and licensed casinos are compelled to comply with KYC and AML rules and they can't offer services without asking for KYC. So, no KYC casinos are probably unregistered.

Apart from KYC, there are also other means of dictating these violations of the terms of service. KYC shouldn't be the only means of dictating these violations because personal details can be faked or falsified.

I also think that not asking for KYC is cool because it protects the identity or personal information of the client. It will also attract more customers to the casino. If not asking for KYC doesn't violate the license terms of the regulator, there is no cause for alarm.

This is applicable only if the regulator asks for such details from the casino. And I think that casinos should obey or abide by the rules of the regulator.  But the license issuer is care less about KYC, no one can blame the casino.

Every casino should follow the law and if it is violating such regulatory laws, it could be dangerous. Their license can be withdrawn. There is no data bank where you can access all the registered casinos in the world. The only way you can access such details is to contact the license provider. So I can not conclude that casinos who don't ask for KYC are not registered. 

I think that KYC can do harm and a safeguard at the same time especially if we're talking about online casinos. I don't think that one casino can be regulated without the AML policy, because the first thing that a casino must ensure is that their customers are safe and protected from any money laundering activities. If a casino failed to do so, then they are not trustworthy and it's normal for a customer to be doubtful. Remember that in this kind of industry, building a trust with your customer is a rightful thing to do since it involves money and funds. So, every casino should employ KYC or any alternatives to verify the identity of their customers to prevent fraudulent activities.

KYC has its flaws and also has its merits, though at this point, I’d say that it’s doing more harm than good, especially in an age wherein personal information is king and is being used in a lot of things online. People who have your personal information, signature, and picture can easily do anything that they want with what they have. That is scary, and imagine how many leaks of such info are happening on a daily basis. This is not to discount KYC and all its applications, but I guess by this time we could have switched into another method of securing our accounts.

Its not about paying taxes but also gambler identity not privacy again because he must upload document ID with first time joining gambling as anonymous have been use real data. But have reason with money laundering make some gambling platform hasn't many choose with government regulation for all gambling have been pass KYC for available active here.
Don't worry for gambler, seems have many gambling site allowed although not verifying KYC but risk when huge amount withdrawing the gambling site require for KYC, maybe withdraw small fund and never huge amount withdrawing is good solution if won't verifying KYC in gambling website.

As far as most users are concerned, they tend to choose a regulated casino in most cases. Therefore, for gambling site owners, having their site registered is a plus point to somehow attract users to take part in their platform. The AML policy is part of the regulation and we should understand that it's already a usual thing in gambling.

The KYC-related concerns are only a big deal here in crypto-gambling because, in the first place, crypto is not supposed to be like that. In online fiat gambling sites, almost the majority of gambling platforms are regulated and KYC is a must and even asked directly at the registration page.

About the last questionm if we talk about fiat online casinos, yes it's possible that if a gambling site doesn't have KYC stuffs, they are probably not registered. But if we talk about crypto-gambling, there are decentralized gambling platforms in crypto where KYC is out of context.

The Kyc may seems not an good one,because the gamblers need to pay tax after enrolling to the gambling.But the real fact is most of the gambling site which ask the KYC will not scam us by random shutdown.The security of the KYC compulsory gambling site will be more,because the gambling site also includes their original wallet in their gambling sites.The money laundering was the important reason to avoid of gambling site with KYC.The wallet of the gambling sites will be managed by the site owners by their own money.

I share the same sentiment as you. Sure, KYC is not a good feature in the long run, but we don't have any great alternatives at the moment so it's best to have a feature that does its job but not in the optimal way, against not having anything at all and risking yourself having no recompense after getting hacked, scammed, or whatnot. I know for a lot of people this may not sit well especially since it's for the most part choosing between the lesser evil between the two, but in the matters of safety and security when we're at the height of a brooding issue in the industry. To some people not having KYC is a blessing especially for those who value their privacy the most, but for the others who wish to value their security more, KYC casinos is the way to go.

We all love to have the no AML policy and no KYC but we are not protected and the bad actors could just use the casino platforms to wash their dirty money the AML and KYC are there to protect the good players and the platforms so they can continue having smooth operations.

When there's money coming in and out the authorities will always check if the platform is not being used by terrorist hackers and scammers and what the best way to do it by the platform is by knowing who are their users and what's their intention.

As I'm aware, LTC Casino and Bitkong allow you to register under a fake name. I mean the real no KYC, when no one cares who you are and how much you win.

Also, there are some weird KYC procedures in new crypto casinos, and I'm not sure - do they really check you or not. For example, in Metaspins I experienced the same KYC as on Binance - passport + selfie check. I completed it in a few minutes, not sure what is the point of it - check if you are robot, or verify you.

The worst thing when you are looking for NO KYC casino - are affiliates, who tell you that bc.game is no kyc, metaspins no kyc, etc. For reactive gamblers, like me, it's a huge problem, as I register, play, and never check t&c. That's why I came to this forum - to get real reviews, not "high-standard" affiliate bs

Many people find gambling to be enjoyable, but when deception is involved, the game becomes less enjoyable. Casinos need to take precautions to protect its clientele and brand. KYC is the first step in that.

Not using KYC? That is a blatant red flag. It is analogous to a retailer not requiring a receipt for returns. It's just a matter of time until someone exploits that. Casinos need to understand that they're asking for trouble if they ignore these checks.

AML regulations are unchangeable. The possibility that some casinos are ignoring them raises questions over their registration status. Players should use caution, conduct thorough research, and only visit reliable websites.

If a non kyc casino operating in a jurisdiction where there are no strict anti-money laundering policy in place I could say they are safe however if they are region of operation is in a place where there is strict enforcement of the anti-money laundering regulations, then they are taking a huge risk. They will always be on the radar of enforcement agents and customers who have their funds there are even at a higher risks of losing their money too. Just to say that No kyc casino is a hub for attracting fraudsters with the intention to launder money without a trace.

KYC is not the point to determine whether it is risky or not. KYC is required by companies, but some casinos do not require full identity KYC beyond email and name. Share email and name this should not be a problem for not daily gamblers. I don't register at many casinos, but the casino I chose only requires an email number as a minimum KYC requirement for a maximum withdrawal of $8,000.

After all, many people think that KYC means sending national identity and a photo. even though sharing your email and name when registering is part of KYC. is there a casino that doesn't require minimal KYC like this?

NO KYC casinos may apply the following to protect themselves:
1) dumb x5-x10 (live) wager to your deposit rule
2) no bonuses rule

I think the first can be better than AML, and it's easy to spot for casino. For example, when someone dep $10k and play plinko for $1 bet for hours and then withdraw same amount and repeats this action every day for a month - casino'll probably lock that account.

Most of the regulated casinos require KYC, and these are linked to AML (Anti-Money Laundering) regulations. There may be a few that don't require it, as the regulations vary from one country to another. But when a casino requests KYC, we should not consider it a burden on our part. It's important to be realistic, as we are no longer in the early stages of crypto where we can enjoy complete anonymity.

Just try to realize, in the past, when there was no KYC, lots of scams happened. Now, with government intervention, it has been minimized.

I have not known of a casino that is regulated without the AML policy, it is their protection from people who will use their platform to wash their money it happened in the past and the casino industry will not let it happen again.

The gambling industry is a multi-billion dollar industry, and it needs protection, the AML policy is their protection so if you want to be in a safe environment you should play in a casino that is regulated, we have to accept KYC because it is part of being protected, and for the casino to protect themselves from cheaters.

No kyc casinos are backed with crucial benefits, like secure privacy, that attract players to stake games with them. It's never simple to give out our information to casinos, the government need them to track some illicit activities, but on the player's side the repercussion is much. I'd say that a casino, should respect the government, yet anyone that wish to secure the privacy of their customer can follow with no KYC. And it's both for their benefits, and players who gamble there can also understand that such no kyc casinos have disadvantages. The casino can be closed by the government if need arises for disobeying the KYC policy. Offshore casinos hosted in isolated areas is capable of going no KYC with lesser risk of being banned by the government. When I see a no kyc casino I'd think of it that the casino for hidden backup or reasons for doing such. Maybe to garner more customers for the time being and comply if the government requires them to follow KYC policy. When playing in a no kyc casino, keeping funds on the casino can be very risky, because of the unpredictable intervention of the government.

Depends on the place where it is located at and local law / what juristiction the casino wishes to operate in. For most of EU and US, KYC will most likely be mandatory IF the casino goes past a certain size. If the casino is small it will probably be fine and slip under the radar for a while (but this still means they migth get bent when found out lol)

What the heck? Some of the posters above are lying about certain sites like Stake, Roobet etc not requiring KYC for small amounts. This is completely wrong information. They do require KYC at different stages for any amount.

For example, Stake needs KYC while depositing funds while Roobet needs KYC while registering on their site. Stop spreading misinformation!

there are some casinos which are totally no KYC casinos which are also unregistered.
The big casinos like Stake, BCgame, Roobet, etc. allow us to play without kyc with small amounts, if we reached that small amount and want to play with big amount they will also ask for KYC.
they are running a business they employed many professionals who know the law better than casino owners and others. they think of these kind of things first.

I notice that most of these online casinos that don't have KYC enabled on their platforms are either low-rate casinos that have a very small number of customers who are wagering huge amounts of money, and most of these casino owners also don't usually make their identities open to the public, which will make it a little difficult for regulators to go after them. Which government will go after a casino that is worth less than a fortune? Until the casino raises a lot of attention and gains a reputation, I think they can still operate without the disturbance of any regulations.
 
There are also some casinos that are licenced by regulatory bodies, which might enable the AML procedure, but they don't take it that seriously unless the need for it arises. Such people have at least the interest of their players at hand as they are trying to protect their identity in every possible way that they can.
 
But what's even the point of all this KYC? When I believe that the majority of the successful KYCs are not actually based on the ushers real identities but on those of others, they might have manipulated the required documents or purchased them from online dark web sellers.

I think not, AML should be available if a casino is being regulated. Casinos having KYCs or being regulated will always be a win-win for both the casino and its players. I think these days it's rare if a casino is not doing any KYC and wasn't registered, that would conflict it tbh.

Finally someone with thoughts that match the current era rules and regulations. I am unsure how far things will get in the gambling world but we have a mixed crowd. There is one who prefers decentralized casinos and tries to stay away from the KYC process while there is another who wants to play on private casinos, but they also do not want to do KYC. In fact, when it comes to the KYC process they will actually start defaming that casino in the name of scams. Unfortunately, this leads the casino to refund them and forgive the KYC-related cases. That's definitely a bad thing but no one can do anything about it. Imagine how chaotic all this is.

Now coming to OP, imagine how this is gonna affect above mentioned cases. They are like haters in the mob who want everything in their favor. They want anonymous but they want to play on a centralized platform.

However, KYC has got real importance. We can also showcase our income and our investments, we can save any fraudulent activity if any casino goes scam and our funds are locked up. We can file suit in that case, what would peeps do if there is no documented evidence? This, they never gonna understand.

This there really 100% no KYC casinos? In almost all i visited when you check the terms and conditions its stated that they can require an identity verification. I don't have example of licencied casinos who doesn't have this statement in their Terms and conditions.

I believe casinos doing a no KYC policy are fully aware of the consequences of their actions or possibly the repercussions of their acts. Most of them are anonymous and nobody knows about the identity behind them. Before you think of getting engaged with such casino, you must be prepared for whatever the outcome may be.

Governments of various nations that allows casinos to operate always demand that they do a KYC policy on their clients to have details of their identity so as to monitor their transactions and other activities. Casinos already know the consequences of their actions if they go against government policies when setting up that is why most of them choose to remain anonymous from the onset till they encounter any challenges before they shot down.

OP as you have said I have no doubt about your argument that casinos without KYC are not registered simply because of their identity to be hidden and not known to the government.

KYC is very risky for those trying to launder money. But with that comes a lot of risk for the public like us that you have to accept.  Because there are many gambling sites that will not hesitate to sell your documents on the black market and you should know what kind of work can be done using those documents if they are sold on the black market. So you can't guarantee that doing kyc is risky only for those trying to launder money and not risky for others. But you can say that kyc on reputable sites is less likely to cause trouble.  But that is also not 100% guaranteed

From what I myself know and have observed, only unregistered casinos operate without requiring or requesting kyc from their users.

Every registered online gambling casinos must have some forms or levels of kyc implemented as that is a major requirement, any casino that claim to be registered and are not asking their players for kyc verification is either lying about their registeration, or taking a huge risk which could cost them a whole lots of money and possibly the business, if regulators catch them.

And so also, any casino running or operating without a licence or registration either is owned by a scammer, who just want to quickly get as much money as he could , then run away.
But on the other hand, any legit casino operating without registration or license, risk losing the business and paying heavy fine if caught my regulators .

Some times KYC is very important many gambling site and some times it is not mandatory. Many gambling site need KYC for big amount withdrawal. Without KYC they Don't approve withdrawal. Because they want to confirm about real owner. But some gambling site Don't want KYC they think for KYC his important information will be publish and he will fall in risk.

But now web3 casino being without KYC and they submitting personal wallet directly. So i think there no need kyc. But for centralis casino site KYC mandatory.

Before the no KYC casino get investigated by authority, they must have warned the casino to comply their regulation and there's a punishment if the casino not follow it. Remember, it must be a big casino since authority isn't care to regulate small casino because they don't have money.

99% of centralized sites will add KYC rule, only few of them will choose to shut down their sites e.g. mixer.

Definitely, this is very true. If we don't want any trouble in the future, we have to comply with KYC. Most of the gambling sites now require KYC, perhaps not during sign-up, but eventually, they will. So, you need to keep that in mind already, so you will not be surprised if they do it in the future.

Understanding the word 'regulation' is crucial, and it's the government that regulates. They want us to be on a centralized platform rather than a decentralized one so they can maintain control.

There's a risk with or without KYCs because having a KYC has lots of pros and cons but personally, I would rather comply with it if it's really a requirement rather than looking for a casino that won't ask for KYC yet the legitimacy is a problem. If you don't want any trouble with the transactions, it's better to do the KYC process rather than avoid it and look for casinos that won't ask it because most trusted and reputable casinos these days are asking for KYC which is unavoidable as well. There will always be risk but we must choose the risk that we're wiling to take.

I'm sorry, but it seems like you misunderstood the purpose of KYC. Actually, it would not be implemented if it did not help the government combat illegal online activities. It might be risky for some, especially for those planning to launder money using the casino. However, for those who are playing just for fun with no bad intentions, it's a way to protect them. Besides, our regulators are closely monitoring the casinos, and they won't allow them to abuse the gamblers. Therefore, if you are a victim of casino abuse, you can report it to the authorities and file a legal action against them.

KYC is usually risky everywhere. Similarly gambling using gambling sites without Kyc is also risky.  Because without kyc if one wins high amount then withdrawing it can be difficult and many more problems. But those Web3 casinos can be used without kyc because in this case a personal wallet has to be connected and any winnings go directly to the personal wallet.  So kyc is not a big problem here.  But if you are using a centralis casino site then definitely complete the kyc before gambling

On the contraty, I think that what the OP (correct me if I'm wrong) meant is that no KYC is not a safe practice for them (gambling platforms).

I think that it will depend on the jurisdiction they are licensed in, on one hand, and the citizenship of the players, on the other hand. If I'm not wrong, legislations among countries differ so much that there must be many exceptions to mandatory KYC. But I'm not any expert, it is just my perception.

From where did you come up with this understanding that fraud cases have become a big problem? Do you have any stats to prove what you have claimed? If you have then do share the link where it has been proven with numbers. I think you are overreacting to the fraud issue.


No KYC casinos still exist and they will continue to unless users stop using them. Do not force your point of view on others, if you do not like anything that does not mean others should not like it. Again it depends on the owner of the casino to implement KYC or not. The owner has launched his casino business to make money do remember.

Casino can’t be regulated without any KYC procedures since knowing customers is the only way to become regulated not only in casino but on all the services that you are using. How will the government regulate the casino if there’s no info available?

AML policy number requirements is KYC to track those user that will commit fraud using the service. It’s not casino who decide about the implementation of KYC. It’s a must when they get their license. It’s not an optional but rather a command from their license provider.

Crypto casino can operate without being regulated since crypto is not yet regulated on many countries. But since casino is a business and want a long term operation without any problem in the future. They decided to follow the general requirements to become regulated.

I think that KYC is a hot topic in most cases but here is how huge reputable casinos deal with it so far,they don't ask it mandatory for you if you register there up to a certain amount usually 0.005-0.01 Bitcoin as a maximum amount you can withdraw without being verified and I am talking about crypto casinos in here not FIAT ones,they have it mandatory because of rules there and those who do not ask it then a big red flag.

I think the KYC style adopted by most reputable crypto casinos is great,play up to a certain amount,the one mentioned above but you cannot withdraw more than that without being verified.I think this is the best option.

You are right, now things can be quite good when it comes to withdrawals and they can happen in other ways depending on the deposit, I have not been able to witness that for a small amount they require KYC, but as everything is I say that they are going to ask a KYC that is something for sure, I know that when you exceed 1000usd you can be present to comply with a more difficult KYC with more demands, these things are the ones I don't like, because if I am in a casino and I win, If I am lucky, I have the right to withdraw my money, and if I want to withdraw that money in its entirety I can do so, then if they put more KYC that is something I no longer like, because then they look like banks asking for explanations.

rule of thumbs:
if a casino is not compliant with all the rules that concern their operations (in this case KYC) how can I be sure that in the event of disputes or problems they will look after my interest and act honestly?

The only bets without KYC that "make sense" are those that are made via "oracle" protocols or other smart contracts in which by design it is useless and impossible to carry out such security check and not even the legislator could have any requests in this regard.

It's not possible, the casino can be a transit point for money laundering if there is no AMC policy It is a safeguard for the whole industry so they will not become a transit point of terrorist dirty money/

That's possible they have an obligation and they are tied to the terms of their license issuer to conduct KYC so if casinos promote themselves as a no KYC it's possible that they are not registered and they are not under the terms of any regulatory body and there's risk playing on these casinos.

The users will feel confident like you to invest or use the online casinos if they are registered to a country where KYC/AML policy is strictly applicable and they are asking for the KYC to be completed.

Like for example, online wallets or exchanges were not regulated or there was no KYC mandate policy in India previously. So people used to have a fear of entering this crypto world and using the exchanges/wallets of these companies. But after they started regulating, imposing a tax, and asking for KYC/AML policy to be followed, the user count on these exchanges/wallets increased a lot. I have seen my friends start trading in these exchanges just for the faith they got in them for regulation.

Many countries have not mandated KYC policies for these kinds of companies/websites related to betting or adding money.
Now, these casinos/companies won't get fined because they are registered in countries where these policies are absent or not heavily/strictly exercised. But the problem is that even if they are registered, the user will be hesitant just because the government itself is so relaxed, how can one trust a company registered to such countries?

As a user, research before getting into any gambling sites or any place where you are going to be adding/sending some of your hard-earned money. Getting scammed will hurt you more than losing on a genuine gambling site while gambling.

It is possible to run a casino without KYC policies and procedures, but it is indeed a risk of the owner and the staff of the webpage. Eventually, if the grow big enough, they will likely catch the attention of regulators and law, and will be forced to apply regulations over their gamblers data, so they can continue to operate.

On the other hand, I have always got the impression non-KYC casinos tried to discourage cheaters, farmers and bonus abusers by other methods, like IP verification, Bitcoin address analysis and behavioral patterns which could help the to highlight those who are most likely breaking their Terms of Service.

Each casino may take its chances, but we will never know what those risks will be. Currently, there are still casinos that do not ask their users for KYC so that users can still freely gamble and withdraw their money. However, it seems that casinos have limits that must be adhered to in withdrawing money because if users exceed those limits, they will be asked to do KYC. If the regulator's policies regulate the casino, the casino must have a license so that the regulator can supervise the casino. Casino owners don't want to run into problems so they will register their casinos with regulators and their casinos will also ask for KYC from their users.

Yet with those casinos that are demanding for casinos still get cracked down by the authorities in the case of a fraudulent allegations arising from or through their casino or company.  No demanding for identity check by no KYC casinos doesn't mean they don't have security measures to ensure that customers don't flaunt the system.

Even with kyc some dubious customers still manipulate the identity check process by rendering fake identity. Now how's that usually possible if the KYC casinos are said to be the best in your opinion?

Fraudulent cases are peculiar to both kyc and non-kyc casinos and businesses, it's left for users to also take responsibility of their security too in the best way they can while the company does theirs.

Same with those asking for kyc not all are registered that's why we all advise to make use of reputable casinos that have gained reputation over the years. You can't tell me that all no kyc casinos are not registered cause that's not correct.

Maybe you need to read this too Why KYC is extremely dangerous – and useless : 1miau

I know there are casinos that implement no KYC that can be said to be reputable in the crypto gambling business, such as BcGames, Fairspin, CloudBet, Metaspins, and Stakes. In fact, the casinos that have KYC and no KYC rules still have their pros and cons.

Of course, with no KYC, when it comes to the data privacy of the individual, their anonymity is relatively secure, and when it comes to withdrawal, it is also fast, while with KYC rules, sometimes the withdrawal transaction process takes a long time. With no KYC rules, there are problems with casinos because the gambler who has a gambling account has no fight.

Maybe we should also ask these casinos that how much are they spending on the security network of their casino website that such guide against any fraudulent attempts, are the casinos also to be responsible for user's who are careless about how they handle their gambling account, i hope we realized that fraud is not only in gambling section alone, but common to other sectors and anyone can be involved.


So you're saying that the no KYC casinos are rather not safe for us to use, what impact has the ones demanding for KYC made in the lives of gamblers, have you even consider the reason for creating a gambling platform that requires no kyc, maybe you have to think about privacy in all you do, if you've never been a victim maybe you may not really understand why privacy.

The AML policy has came into effect in later years after the KYC procedures have been required. When you sign up for a gambling site, you are typically required to provide certain information, which is considered KYC already. The specifics of KYC can vary from site to site. Some may be satisfied with basic information, while others may request documents to verify the accuracy of the information provided. Many sites currently do not require document verification, instead opting for information input. However, it's possible that they may introduce document verification in the future, so it's a good idea to be prepared for that possibility.

The size of your wager can indeed be a significant factor. If you consistently lose, sites may not be as concerned with KYC. But if you are winning, which means you are receiving funds from the gambling site, that's when they might implement more stringent KYC requirements.

Fraud cases are becoming a real problem for gambling industry, from schemes like bonus hunting, account farming, account hijacks and illicit chargebacks on the rise I believe that many new casinos aren't prepared for the menace ahead.

Some casinos still believe that not asking for KYC is cool, but it's actually not, I see casinos with no kyc as a red flag because you can't run your business this way without getting into trouble with regulators.

Casinos neglect identity check but little did they know that they can be fined for it, if fraud cases arise from your casino and it's been investigated, your business is going away soon or you pay up for fine. One, for failing to screen customers using the KYC process, two, for possible running of unregistered casino.

Do you think your casino can be regulated without the AML policy? The requirements says it's all, so is it possible that those casinos doing their no KYC stuffs are not even registered?