Particl will launch soon ( rebrand of shadowcash )
and includes everything and more all other anon coins have.
Bitcoin Core .14 with Segwit
NIZKP zero knowledge proofs
CT Ringsigs
PoS
So basicly they are the first coin ever to launch segwith nativeley on .14 core
They beat monero because they have a better CT ringsig scheme
They beat Zencash and Zcash because they implement zero knowledge on bitcoin .14 natively including segwit so its a lot faster
They beat any mining coin because of the new PoS scheme.
They beat Dash ..well.. afaik dash has nothing to offer. But if i have to mention anything specific because of their dual token system which is a lot safer then mixing coins and allows allows users to choose if they WANT to be anonymous or not.
it seems like the best coin out there, by far.
You can check www.particl.io
They are now running testnet and it works flawless.
read here https://particl.news/project-update-june-6th-2017-eeec12500754
currently testing
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Topic: Are PIVX and Zcash viable alternatives? (Controversy around dash and Monero) (Read 1891 times)
June 08, 2017, 04:33:40 AM
June 08, 2017, 04:30:40 AM
And which is better do we have consensus about? What determines which one will be chosen as a best, code, support of community, usability?
100% anonymity does not exists, but which one is closest to this? What about other coins not mentioned here, Maybe they are even better?
100% anonymity does not exists, but which one is closest to this? What about other coins not mentioned here, Maybe they are even better?
June 08, 2017, 04:07:46 AM
Interesting, I see 0 for Dash.
June 08, 2017, 12:25:57 AM
I vote another option, CloakCoin.
https://www.cloakcoin.com/en/learn-more.html
https://cloak.blog/2017/06/05/cloak-update-3/
https://www.cloakcoin.com/en/learn-more.html
https://cloak.blog/2017/06/05/cloak-update-3/
June 08, 2017, 12:21:53 AM
Dash is nothing more than masternodes working as a tumbler, with the fear that one person holds half of them and can decipher a third of all private transactions. ZCash relies on a trusted setup for security and I would never trust a company to take ownership of a truly anon coin once the dark markets use it, you can be they saved the back door key. Whoever is using ZCash on AB right now is in for a rude awakening someday.
At the moment, PivX is like Dash privacy wise but the masternodes are more decentralized. When PivX gets Zerocoin implemented it will be far superior to Dash in privacy. So it is PivX vs. Monero, the others on the poll are not true contenders.
Besides ZCash, there are other coins with the same zk-snarks. Zencash is already ahead of the game with encrypted network traffic and messaging, HUSH has some developments under way also.
At the moment, PivX is like Dash privacy wise but the masternodes are more decentralized. When PivX gets Zerocoin implemented it will be far superior to Dash in privacy. So it is PivX vs. Monero, the others on the poll are not true contenders.
Besides ZCash, there are other coins with the same zk-snarks. Zencash is already ahead of the game with encrypted network traffic and messaging, HUSH has some developments under way also.
Does PIVX have superior privacy to all of this?
https://lab.getmonero.org/pubs/MRL-0005.pdf
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Blockstream/borromean_paper/master/borromean_draft_0.01_34241bb.pdf is a good supplement
https://jonasnick.github.io/blog/2016/12/17/a-problem-with-ringct/
Do you have any good papers / videos on privacy / mathematics / code behind PIVX ? I should probably do the due diligence myself, I am way late to the train.
June 08, 2017, 12:09:09 AM
Dash is nothing more than masternodes working as a tumbler, with the fear that one person holds half of them and can decipher a third of all private transactions. ZCash relies on a trusted setup for security and I would never trust a company to take ownership of a truly anon coin once the dark markets use it, you can be they saved the back door key. Whoever is using ZCash on AB right now is in for a rude awakening someday.
At the moment, PivX is like Dash privacy wise but the masternodes are more decentralized. When PivX gets Zerocoin implemented it will be far superior to Dash in privacy. So it is PivX vs. Monero, the others on the poll are not true contenders.
Besides ZCash, there are other coins with the same zk-snarks. Zencash is already ahead of the game with encrypted network traffic and messaging, HUSH has some developments under way also.
At the moment, PivX is like Dash privacy wise but the masternodes are more decentralized. When PivX gets Zerocoin implemented it will be far superior to Dash in privacy. So it is PivX vs. Monero, the others on the poll are not true contenders.
Besides ZCash, there are other coins with the same zk-snarks. Zencash is already ahead of the game with encrypted network traffic and messaging, HUSH has some developments under way also.
June 07, 2017, 03:12:56 PM
This was a pretty interesting discussion. Any new thoughts on this?
Anybody got experience with PIVX wallet? The PIVX core wallet is in my experience not as stable as other coin wallets, but has some potential for privacy through the obfuscation feature. Any thoughts on this vs the others ( like DAS privatesend)
Anybody got experience with PIVX wallet? The PIVX core wallet is in my experience not as stable as other coin wallets, but has some potential for privacy through the obfuscation feature. Any thoughts on this vs the others ( like DAS privatesend)
April 16, 2017, 08:23:21 PM
When Ethereum gets ZK-Snarks no other anonymous coin will be needed. ( With the possible exception of Byteball Black Bytes )
April 16, 2017, 05:29:48 PM
I believe Monero is the best anonymous coin out there, the flaw detected in the code has been corrected by hard fork. Dash is just a brand nothing else. PIVX is a joke in my opinion while Zcash is an institutional coin.
Why do you think PIVX is a joke and why do you believe Zcash is an institutional coin?
I phrased my previous thread quite badly so here it is again.
There was a paper released on Monero saying that about 20% of transactions could be traced (not sure how true) and smooth said that there are known flaws in Monero.
At the same time, Dash always has the premine problem, so are Zcash and PIVX better for anonymity?
There was a paper released on Monero saying that about 20% of transactions could be traced (not sure how true) and smooth said that there are known flaws in Monero.
At the same time, Dash always has the premine problem, so are Zcash and PIVX better for anonymity?
Zcash still relies on the trust towards the dev team so I wouldn't be so sure about its anonimity. That released paper is about a flaw in Monero documented already and taken care of with the last hard forks. There is for sure a lot of work to do but I trust XMR devs way more than ZEC.
How is Zcash reliant on trust to the devs?
April 16, 2017, 12:36:13 PM
I believe Monero is the best anonymous coin out there, the flaw detected in the code has been corrected by hard fork. Dash is just a brand nothing else. PIVX is a joke in my opinion while Zcash is an institutional coin.
April 16, 2017, 12:22:13 PM
I phrased my previous thread quite badly so here it is again.
There was a paper released on Monero saying that about 20% of transactions could be traced (not sure how true) and smooth said that there are known flaws in Monero.
At the same time, Dash always has the premine problem, so are Zcash and PIVX better for anonymity?
There was a paper released on Monero saying that about 20% of transactions could be traced (not sure how true) and smooth said that there are known flaws in Monero.
At the same time, Dash always has the premine problem, so are Zcash and PIVX better for anonymity?
Dash does not have a premine problem because it was never premined.
Please try to stick to the facts.
Fastmine / instamine : yes
Premine : no
Quibbling over the difference of a premine and an instamine is like quibbling over 2 * 1 versus 2 x 1, they both = 2
And i will just keep correcting those that are trying to label Dash as a premined coin.
Eventhough they should know better....
And looking at the Dash market it is very clear the instamine from more then 3 years ago does not form a problem either.
Specially not to its optional anonymity process. Why would it ? The anonymity of Dash never got broken.
Sure it can take some time to mix, specially with 8 mixing rounds but i suspect that changes when Dash Evolution gets released.
April 16, 2017, 12:17:17 PM
I phrased my previous thread quite badly so here it is again.
There was a paper released on Monero saying that about 20% of transactions could be traced (not sure how true) and smooth said that there are known flaws in Monero.
At the same time, Dash always has the premine problem, so are Zcash and PIVX better for anonymity?
There was a paper released on Monero saying that about 20% of transactions could be traced (not sure how true) and smooth said that there are known flaws in Monero.
At the same time, Dash always has the premine problem, so are Zcash and PIVX better for anonymity?
Dash does not have a premine problem because it was never premined.
Please try to stick to the facts.
Quibbling over the difference of a premine and an instamine is like quibbling over 2 * 1 versus 2 x 1, they both = 2
April 16, 2017, 12:17:07 PM
I phrased my previous thread quite badly so here it is again.
There was a paper released on Monero saying that about 20% of transactions could be traced (not sure how true) and smooth said that there are known flaws in Monero.
At the same time, Dash always has the premine problem, so are Zcash and PIVX better for anonymity?
There was a paper released on Monero saying that about 20% of transactions could be traced (not sure how true) and smooth said that there are known flaws in Monero.
At the same time, Dash always has the premine problem, so are Zcash and PIVX better for anonymity?
Dash does not have a premine problem because it was never premined.
Please try to stick to the facts.
Explain the difference between the captive instamine and a premine. I challenge you.
The result is exactly the same but the term premine is more honest. That is the only difference in the end.
You repeating your nonsense just makes you look even more dishonest to anyone who knows how it went down.
Give it a rest qwizzie you are almost as negative for dash as tao lately. You two are like the dash destroyers except tao blew the whistle on dash at the start.
April 16, 2017, 12:08:21 PM
I phrased my previous thread quite badly so here it is again.
There was a paper released on Monero saying that about 20% of transactions could be traced (not sure how true) and smooth said that there are known flaws in Monero.
At the same time, Dash always has the premine problem, so are Zcash and PIVX better for anonymity?
There was a paper released on Monero saying that about 20% of transactions could be traced (not sure how true) and smooth said that there are known flaws in Monero.
At the same time, Dash always has the premine problem, so are Zcash and PIVX better for anonymity?
Dash does not have a premine problem because it was never premined.
Please try to stick to the facts.
Fastmine / instamine : yes
Premine : no
April 16, 2017, 09:23:58 AM
Zcash & Monero are my choices.
April 16, 2017, 06:15:08 AM
I phrased my previous thread quite badly so here it is again.
There was a paper released on Monero saying that about 20% of transactions could be traced (not sure how true) and smooth said that there are known flaws in Monero.
At the same time, Dash always has the premine problem, so are Zcash and PIVX better for anonymity?
There was a paper released on Monero saying that about 20% of transactions could be traced (not sure how true) and smooth said that there are known flaws in Monero.
At the same time, Dash always has the premine problem, so are Zcash and PIVX better for anonymity?
Zcash still relies on the trust towards the dev team so I wouldn't be so sure about its anonimity. That released paper is about a flaw in Monero documented already and taken care of with the last hard forks. There is for sure a lot of work to do but I trust XMR devs way more than ZEC.
April 16, 2017, 06:10:11 AM
I phrased my previous thread quite badly so here it is again.
There was a paper released on Monero saying that about 20% of transactions could be traced (not sure how true) and smooth said that there are known flaws in Monero.
At the same time, Dash always has the premine problem, so are Zcash and PIVX better for anonymity?
There was a paper released on Monero saying that about 20% of transactions could be traced (not sure how true) and smooth said that there are known flaws in Monero.
At the same time, Dash always has the premine problem, so are Zcash and PIVX better for anonymity?
Link to Monero paper please?
Thanks!
April 16, 2017, 05:32:28 AM
I phrased my previous thread quite badly so here it is again.
There was a paper released on Monero saying that about 20% of transactions could be traced (not sure how true) and smooth said that there are known flaws in Monero.
At the same time, Dash always has the premine problem, so are Zcash and PIVX better for anonymity?
There was a paper released on Monero saying that about 20% of transactions could be traced (not sure how true) and smooth said that there are known flaws in Monero.
At the same time, Dash always has the premine problem, so are Zcash and PIVX better for anonymity?
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