Topic: Are you a Communist, Socialist, Capitalist, Marxist? (Read 3087 times)

Corruption is inevitable, but with each revolution we evolve to make a better system to replace the previous corrupted one.

Agreed. Not only are most of these people in positions of power 'grandfathered' into them, but people who crave power obviously tend to be attracted to these powerful positions, inevitably corrupting the system despite whatever noble notions it was initially intended for.

It is hard to choose cause I think none of the above is perfect but guess I am trying to be free men who is sick of rich, powerfull, retarded and degenerated scum who runs our civilization just cause their fathers was that before them. No matter if they call them selves patricians, nobles, politicians, big capitalists or whatever. They invented all that crap and names to rule stupid ignorants like 99% of ppl are.

I said other because I consider myself to support a little bit of all economic models.  I think socialism makes the most sense but the inspiration of capitalism can't be denied. 

We already have example of socialism in America such as electric companies or other utilities.  Some publicly traded companies actually follow socialist fundamentals depending on how empowered the shareholders are. 

You do realise it makes people like you look like total assholes when you say stuff like that right?

Most if not all anarcho-capitalists are well off guys. If you were to be born in a poor ass place chances are you would not be an anarcho capitalist.

Meaning a clueless suburban American kid who knows jackshit about capitalism or anarchism.

Yeah. That's sad. I'm quite of an idealistic communist somehow

Anarcho capitalist.


Proven by who? You cannot compare socialism to communism. Two different things.

Typical wages at some positions in the USSR:

Professor - 320 rubles;
Lieutenant - 230 rubles;
Judge - 210 rubles;
Senior teacher (no Ph.D. degree) - 170 rubles;
Trolleybus driver - 140 rubles;
Teacher - 132 rubles;
Accountant – 120 rubles.

One ruble:

- A complete meal in the cafeteria;
- Hitchhiking for 100 km (penny per kilometer);
- 33 glasses of lemonade;
- 10 liters of 98 octane petrol (GOST 2084-67);
- 50 calls from a payphone;
- 100 boxes of matches;
- 5 cups of ice cream;
- 20 trips by bus or subway;
- 4 loaves of white bread (900-1000 grams each);
- 5 liters of milk;
- 20 tickets to the cinema;
- 2 bottles of good beer;
- 8 packs of poor cigarettes;
- 6 kg of watermelon or 3 kg of melon;
- make a haircut in the barbershop, 5 times.

Three rubles:

- Dinner for 5-6 persons in a factory or school cafeteria;
- Lunch in the restaurant;
- A good book;
- Bottle of good wine;
- A pack of imported cigarettes;
- It was also amount of pocket money, which was enough to see the terrible jealousy from other children.

Five rubles:

- 2 kilograms of meat;
- A bottle of vodka (with snacks);
- Almost monthly apartment rent for a family;
- Taxi ride "with a glamor";
- Kilogram of very good chocolates.

Ten rubles:

- Amount of money which was typically borrowed until the payday;
- Universal bank note to pay for the various household services;
- Expensive technical or the desktop toys, such as billiard.

Twenty-five rubles:

- A plane ticket for local airlines (eg, ticket to flight from Leningrad to Moscow cost 18 rubles);
- Spree in the restaurant;
- Services of the expensive prostitute.

Fifty rubles:

- A bicycle;
- Small pension;
- Fellowship for students with good grades.

Hundred rubles:

- A plane ticket to the south (there and back);
- Monthly salary of an engineer graduate student;
- A good pension.


Just think about that.  

This is an impossible combination (a kind of oxymoron). Anarchism means a society without recognition of authority. Capitalism, on the contrary, is based on exploitation of one man by another which is not possible without prior recognition of authority.

If you just happen to work for yourself (or happen to be a rentier of sorts), this is not capitalism.

I'm an anarchist + capitalist, meaning anarcho-capitalist.

erdogan made a huge palace using turkey taxpayers money

100% Libertarian.

the CCP is like the wind, the air, the rain and the sun in transition. Contrary to America traitors are eliminated, the safety of ALL depends on those doing this job, and don't get me wrong, if it wouldn't be necessary it wouldn't be done... but against the warlords of the west, all precautions are necessary. It's China... moar than everything you know or believed.

Chinese communism is fake, it has nothing to do with the true Marxian communism. It is used only to justify a one-party political system existing there and suppress opposition that threatens Communist Party rule (so-called "democracy with Chinese characteristics").

And no, I'm not a communist.

shhh don't say that national socialism exists... it's a secret. you and me aren't just on the social part, we have to be the workers... .

By the way, national socialism and national bolshevism shall be added into the poll.

More like national socialism.


Most people wont get the joke because they have grown up knowing this ideology under a different name.

Male to female transgender?

Something in-between if you know what I mean

Free market libertarian
The word "Capitalist" has been intentionally tainted and no longer has a useful meaning out in the "real" world.

for me it's simple. 1 robin hood and 2 the sheriff, you can chose. the sheriff and his family will die in suffering worst than you wished to your worst enemy (and it's just a beginning).

then stealing is bad, so create, they will come to steal, welcome, enjoy the hunt.

Or everyone tries to find on earth the person that loves him back the most, reciprocally, big game, and once found who cares...

or enjoy war. be ready to eat raw.

dual.

bad, who cares you don't decide, human and exo life... core common life. ahhaa. not beyond death? newbies.

THIS. It is like communism, I think it is a great system but on a large scale it will not work wel due to the nature of humans. Not yet atleast.

All of these systems have merits. The one weak point in every one is those pesky humans who fuck it up every single time. I have chosen to become an ant and am looking forward to a much more mindless and peaceful future.

No you're not. These two positions are antithetical to one another. Read a goddamn book, and stop slandering the good name of anarchism.

toward anarchist, but not completely, a good portion of freedom but with the maintain of the equilibrium

You guys might need a new Evren pasa like back in '80...

one with out the other is impossible, they are cumulative, leads to love, remove, temper, exploit or both and get w.a.r. I hope you are ready to eat r.a.w.

I'm a bitcoiner person , it is a new "experiment" and I'm sure it will above all the other currents like socialism, capitalist, marxist, etc..
Bitcoin is a new possibility for "catch" our economy freedom and why not also social freedom.

Never let yourself be framed by those people. Learn their theory, the behavior they imply, exploit, profit. rinse and repeat (theory will not change, too many are too invested in it, university tenure, manuals income, respect, fame etc etc).

edit: please note how polite I was.

Erdogan?
He's islamist, and I don't like him. He's not even Turkish (He said that his etnicite is Georgian in his Georgia visit, also his wife's etnicite is arab).
Yet, he was elected via "islamist" votes.

That's why you don't try and force people to live in a global community and do it through local means and yes, if you're in a truly consensual based society that's how you get shit done, you don't just point a gun at people and force people to do things because you think you know best like in modern democracies.

That's not what Anarchism is, way to fear monger, Anarchism is simply society without a hierarchy, without gods or government, it's the exact opposite of using rule and force, if somebody uses force to get what they want in society, then they are not an Anarchist, real Anarchists solve things through debate and voluntary co-operation.

that Turkey discussion is OT now, no? Maybe a mod can move those to a new thread.

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Communism, Socialism, Capitalism are so overloaded terms by now, they have lost their meaning.

Any strict ideology has problems and carries within it the seed of its opposite and its own destruction (I used to elaborate about that many times on here).

Free-market libertarianism should better be called proprietarianism as it is about the philosophy of individual property rights. The problem with it is that especially US-Americans are not very well-schooled in European history. America is a very young and big continent, so the "liberty" folks there may not yet recognize the issues with it, that it doesn't scale well over time.

Once a continent is crowded like Europe was already in ancient times, you'll end up with land owners (i.e. aristocracy) and those who have nothing, who don't have anything and can only sell their labor, themselves, effectively slaves. Maybe then you can understand that the original anarchistic movements in Europe did not associate ownership and capitalism with freedom, and it was a movement against strict property rights and capitalism.

The first factory owners weren't heroes like out of Ayn Rand novels either, they came to their assets because they were in bed with aristocrats and politicians.

So what is the best solution? I don't know. Maybe a truly free world that would fit a definition of anarchism that everyone could agree on would have to integrate ideas of both anarcho-communist and market-libertarian thinking. There'd have to be some balance and equality without the latter perceiving it as theft. I guess something like Mondragon's co-operative syndicalism would be a good model for a modern society.

Oh good so you're not all bad then, I thought you were one of those psychopaths like your leader.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-will-help-iraq-retake-mosul-prime-minister-davutoglu-vows.aspx?pageID=238&nID=79199&NewsCatID=510

Turkey will give military education and fire arms to Turkmens in Mosul to fight ISIS. Don't worry, We don't take Mosul back to ours , We recognize integrity of Iraq.

The world doesn't revolve around the USA or Turkey, so we don't worry. However, we do worry about our own future because your country may become a regional PITA if your authorities won't be able to defend themselves. Giving that you're unable to find a compromise even with your own kurdish problem, I'd say that there is a high some risk of such scenario.

Actually, the "nationalists" are playing the U.S.-style game continuously... Acting exactly like they are, but at the smaller scale. Like Obomber or Kerry, preferring bombs to the treaties while it's possible. Odumba, Poroshenko, Saakashvili, remember about the treaties only when it's the only alternative to capitulation. I happy to see that pseudo nationalist puppets have only a little chance to get the real power.

Sadly my country is the UK and we have easily the most incompetent politicians in charge imaginable, I would support weapons and funds to the kurds though which we've already done, it was only 40 machine guns though lol.

Turkey has enough power to protect itself from ISIS. Don't worry about us.
If you really care about "entire civilisations including any remnants of their culture" your country should send troops to give Syria and Iraq "democracy".

Even as an Anarchist I recognise people like ISIS threaten everybody, religion like theirs dictates they wipe out entire civilisations including any remnants of their culture that come into conflict with the religion they follow, that includes yours.

Dafuq? Do I have to be a part of an ongoing war? Do I have to support one side? NO!

There are 2 terorist organisations whom are fighting, that's not my concern. I don't give a damn fuck about those 2.

But I do care about "civillians" That's why Turkey accepted 2 millions civillians from Syria and Iraq.

We don't give a fuck what you saw or what's your media showing you. You should understand that;

Turkey is not a side of this war and don't have to help any side of it. But Turkey helps civillians.

The ceasefire with the PKK didn't magically end itself, I know all about how the Turks targeted their camps with airstrikes, there's a reason not many trust Turkey anymore, I know more than you think, like I said, I'm not saying support organisations that attack your state, but we see so little of you on the ground it makes us wonder who's side you're really on.

Obviously you don't know anything about Turkish borders.
You don't know anything about PKK camps in northern Iraq, you don't know anything about brothers of PKK (yph, hpg) who begs for help from " fascist murica".

You suggest that (I hope you're doing it unwillingly): "Hey Turkey, you should support terorist organisations, whom're fighting against you, against ISIS".

Before talking about those topics, you should learn who are they, what do they do.

lol that's funny, you didn't even read my post properly, where did I say help the PKK?

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Why should I send terorist kurds any help? Do you know what happens in Turkey? Do you know their armed fight against Turkey? Do you know how many civillians are killed by those "terorsit kurds"?
Turkish republic helps official Northern Iraq Peshmerge whom re kurds, But you hear from your twisted media that "Turkey doesn't help kurds" No that's not right. Turkey doesn't help "terorist kurds" whom are "pkk, pjk, ydgh, kck, hpg". Those terorist organisations are fighting against Turkey. They don't deserve any help from Turkey.

Also before judging Turks your country should accept refugees from Syria,Iraq. So far Turkey has accepted 2 million people as refugee. And I'm feeding them, I'm keeping them warm (Those expenses are paid by my taxes). What did you do?

You're just like a 9 year old kid with a stick and trying to stir an ant nest.

Lets see your guys sending tanks over the border to help the Kurds, then I won't think you're full of shit, I'm not saying support the PKK but the least you could do is help a people that has been opressed by your ancestors for decades and is now literally fighting for their survival.

Nope, We're not trying to revive the Ottomona Empire a.k.a Turkish Empire (Ottoman name is just the leader family name, not country name). But there're lots of different thoughts in Turkey, For instance our current Republic President Erdogan tries to bring back sharia which most of Turkish people against that.
Current Turks are not hostile, Almost 90 years Turkish Nation didn't have a war.

By the way, you think the wars as soldiers fighting. If you look at Turkish history you'll see that war concerns all of Turkish Nation.

An autonomy in Turkish Republic soil is not gonna happen, Turks are not like any other nation or country. You may think it's ok for you but not for Turkey.

When Mustafa Kemal Atatürk founded Turkey Republic he said that: "Every citizen of Turkey Republic is accepted Turkish" (no matter what's their etnicite).

Some capitalists/soviets etc started to arm kurds (PKK) against Turkish Republic in 1980's, Iraq supported them, Syria supported them. Partially Iran supported and then they decided to remove this terorist organisation (PJAK) and did.

Whether you accept or not PKK is a long lived terorist organisation and every armed member of it will be taken care. Also there're law about PKK, if these members who didn't commit crime (using fire arms, stealing from civillians etc) They're welcome to Turkish Republic.

Anyway, your traditional thinking about Türks, nationalism etc is full of bullshit because of your lack of education about Turkish people

I am a bit conflicted with where I stand right now. I support a lot of capitalist ideas although the system in general seems to be set for failure.

There is no problem with turks or ukrainians.

The problem is some people who are too stupid to understand what autonomy does not contradict their goal. Almost every empire had at least one autonomous land, duchy or whatever. Grand Duchy of Finland within the Russian Empire, for example... Of course they're trying to blame others, but the real reason of persistent failures is their own stupidity.

People like the Turks are practically trying to revive the Ottomon Empire and have simply renamed it, this is partly why their surrounding region is such a clusterfuck because they're so hostile to any neighbours that don't immediately want to merge with them.

I like the idea of creating a system where resources are divided more equally but realistically right now in this point in history i think we have to remove state power and work on being better capitalists.

Can't I be all of them? Depends on a lot of things. I take which ever idea fits my situation. That would imply I tend on the Capitalist side of Communism, Socialism and Marxism.

Hm. Autonomy wouldn't hurt the integrity of state if the government won't decide to terminate it through massacre, like Poroshenko did. It's obvious for any real nationalist. I'm sorry but these words aren't words from a real nationalist and more similar to ukrainian wannabe speech...

These guys were too ignorant to realize what autonomy and separation are two completely different things. That's why their state is undead now, they've destroyed it due to own stupidity.

Yes, and definitely some are Anarchists, because BTC is tax free, I don't know which country do u live, maybe your country has good welfare.

I think nobody likes tax to government, especially like we Chinese, we have no welfare, we have 40% tax in gasoline, we have 50% taxes in a luxury car like Ferrari, Lamborghini. Our tax are feed those shit corruptive officials. They usually corrupt 1 billion Chinese yuan or higher.

I am a Capitalist and Anarchist

But my country is communism and maxnism, damn, I hope we have freedom and democracy in China.

Anarchist/Nihilist.

I like the system that allows success to breed more success. That system is called Capitalism.

I suspect most bitcoiners would be capitalist.

Not on my soil. Turkish Republic can't be seperated.
But Kurds already have an autonomous country which is located in Northern Iraq led by Barzani.

I take it you're against Kurdish autonomy then? -_-

Supporter of Pan-Turkism, Turkish Nationalism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-Turkism

Anarcho-Voluntaryist

Free market guy.

Surely not a commie, communism and socialism have already proven to be destructive.

Are you a Communist, Socialist, Capitalist, or Marxist? Or are you other, and if so, please post in the description so I can add yours to the list.