Topic: Are you going to vote? (Read 1744 times)

Anybody got a time machine? So I can go back and change my vote?

If the margin was 100 or 200, then she had a chance. But the margin in Michigan is around 10,000 votes (in the other two states, it is even bigger). So there is no chance for an upset. Human error seldom causes a difference of more than 100 votes in a recount.

Now to be recounted. So Hillary Clinton still have a chance? I think that this procedure will not be in vain. Perhaps there is some reason to do it.

A what now? Anyone interested in the fate of small States? The capital of the American automobile industry Detroit will soon cease to exist. While not a large difference in the number of votes all votes matter.

What does one state having more population than another have to do with the majority of Americans, not just one state, voting for one thing and then getting slapped in the face by our overseers?

Even inadvertently you make my point. Your vote is worthless so why do they put up this charade to make us think it does?

Oh, and the states with more population has more votes in the electoral college than smaller states so your point is invalid.

You want to change the electoral system just because your candidate lost? No. That is not going to happen. The electoral college system was invented, in order to assure that the smaller states such as Wyoming and Vermont are not ignored by the political parties. If only the popular vote matters, then the campaign will be limited to a few populous states, such as California, New York, Illinois, Texas and Florida.

More importantly, are you going to get the BAR Association out of the courts?

The BAR is a private organization that has overrun the courts. Because of this, you can't get a fair trial easily, since BAR judges will thwart anything that looks like it might get the BAR removed from the court system.

I think after this election in America has created an urgent need to change the existing electoral system. Given the conservatism of the us Senate think this decision will not be accepted.

I do not understand how it happened that the majority voted in favor of one candidate, and won quite different. After that I did not want to take the initiative and civic engagement. Everywhere deception

That's why we need to vote. Our vote is very important. Our voice need to to heard even on that special day for our country. We should vote every election, we are representinv the changes of our country and we have no reason not to participate. my country is a democratic country, we are all free to express our opinion and our feelings, and we are also free to choose if who is deserving in the position.

That is where you are wrong. It is constantly complained about including by your hero Trump when Obama was re-elected and during his entire campaign running for president saying it was rigged.

People on this forum need to actually research stuff before they try and post about it.

Trump won the electoral vote, and that is why he is the president right now. Americans are following the electoral college system for the past hundreds of years. No one complained about it until Trump got elected, and IMO it is one of the best systems in the world.

This may have been the case long ago but not anymore. 2 of the last 3 presidents and 3 of the last 5 presidents were not chosen by the people. This may not seem that big of a deal but you have to remember this time period spans decades.

This is a very bad trend as it shows the government progressing to the point of dictatorship under the guise of democracy where they decide what is best for us and not the other way around.

The very definition of Republic is power held by the people and those they elect. The US is no longer a republic if you look at the stats.

I agree! Even your just a simple countrymen, your voice is important, your vote is important, we do not really know if whom is great, whom can we trust when it comes to presidential candidate or whatever position is that. but still as a people of the sovereign country we must still care of what is happening in our country. remember even 1 vote can still change anything

It is happening more frequently, 2 of the last 3 presidents weren't voted for by the people.

I completely agree. The result was a situation at which the voice of the people have not been heard. I do not think it's fair. People like to be deceived stayed

Now that the voting is through I want to further reinforce my original post with the fact that now for the 5th time in history the person Americans didn't vote for is now president.

Clinton had the vote of the US Citizens, but trump is now the president.

I hope you guys don't feel like your vote mattered, as I clearly said it doesn't.

I have not believe that my vote means something. Therefore, I do not go to the polls and vote. And in the future I will not go

The president isn't the only one at fault no, congress has a part, citizens have a part, and foreign nations have a part.

The way this process is supposed to work is the people of the state vote for who they want, the elector is then supposed to back their vote by voting that way in the election.

The political games they play in the background is the problem. If their state wants Hillary then they must vote Hillary. The game they play with 'oh maybe I will just ignore what they want and do what I want instead' should definitely be a crime punishable with prison. After all, tampering with federal elections is a crime.

The link you posted mentioned that 29 states have some sort of law against doing this, but that leaves 21 other states to freely swing their vote how they see fit. This can make a huge difference in who gets elected or not.

As history has shown this is usually how it works, the people vote and they follow their lead as is their entire sole purpose of being the elector. But history also shows that this doesn't work all the time.

@debt

I think we can agree that obama is not alone at fault here

@electoral college

I googled about it and found out that until now no faithless elector(s) could change the final outcome of an election. Additionaly it is penalized in most states.

I think this gives some good infos:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_elector

Or can you point me to the cases you mean?

The specifics of what money went where isn't entirely relevant when you get down to it, the POTUS is the head of the government which means all things fall back to him while under his leadership even though Congress is actually the one that is the most responsible for the debt. Congress doesn't get the blame though as the president has to approve of it.

The article you posted alleviated 10% of his debt sure, but the remaining 90% debt acquired under his leadership still falls back to him regardless of who caused it. Sadly that is just a side effect of being a government patsy.

In the history of the US a different president has been chosen against the People's wishes 4 times, 10% of the time which is a really high percentage for something that was deemed very important by the founders.

So how often in US history did the electoral college elect someone else?
Im in doubt that you understand what a representative democracy is.

About the obama debt - can you refute this please:

https://www.thebalance.com/national-debt-under-obama-3306293

Votes received do not matter as stated in the first post.

For the second question, no. Obama doubled the national debt entirely, would be one hell of an interest rate at that point. Keep in mind this is debt accumulated by all of the previous presidents.

Did obama loss the voting for his 2nd term?

Also wasnt a great part of the new obama debt just interest from huge old debt?

Not necessarily. Look at Obama, hes put our country into massive debt and has always had a low approval rating from the citizens but was still put back in office by the electoral college.

If Hillary Clinton choose for a second term, it would mean that she coped with the task and won the hearts of Americans. So she knowingly chose.

Yes. But not for the fact that I believe that my voice is important, but just want to walk

Only time will tell I guess, Obama had a very poor approval rating during his first term but he was put back into office by the powers that be for a second term.

I don't think Hillary is a second term. Only if she can turn the tide in their favor. I hope that it will make America stronger.

They usually come in sets, could have 8 years of an incompetent president.

And I'm not going to vote. I don't like neither Trump nor Hillary. This time all have no worthy candidates. It is a pity that I will have 4 years to live with the unloved President.

And I already voted for Hillary. Hope she wins and maybe she will show Russia that the Americans are a strong nation and we can defend their interests.

The Electoral College performs a vital role yes. I just think it should be different.

Let the American citizens vote for who they want and if there is a dispute then the Electoral College should come in and settle the differences.

The current system leaves the American public out of the picture completely, not even one vote matters. Everyone could vote for Hillary for example but if Congress and the Electoral College want Trump in guess who's getting in?

I'm not saying votes don't mean anything at all, just that they don't mean anything in regards to our president or what they are designed for.

This isn't a case of mob rule in regards to citizens voting, its a case of mob rule based off of only a few select the most important part of our life while we cannot do anything.

I'm too young to vote, but if I qualified, I definitely would. Every bit counts, right?

It's how representative government works. The electors represent the electorate. Perhaps imperfectly, but historically they've been 99.9% tied to the what the electorate told them. If we scrap the electoral college we might as well scrap congress and just go to direct balloting for every piece of legislation, for the reasoning for both is the same.

The founders of America detested direct democracy as "mob rule" and strongly denounced it. I've little doubt they'd have chosen to return to monarchy if forced to choose between the two extremes. What the system of representative government does is magnify the will of the electorate. If the electorate (as a whole) wants good leaders, it chooses the best from among itself to lead. But if it wants corrupt leaders, it chooses the most corrupt to lead them. That's how you've gotten to where you are today. And it's why de Toqueville and others warned that American government would only work if the people themselves were moral and upright. The rot in Washington merely reflects the net will of the electorate when all is said and done.

There is also a practical reason the electoral college was instituted - on more than one occasion the college has had to vote for president over many rounds of balloting. Imagine if you scrapped the electoral college and instead had to have a new election over and over and over until a winner emerged. I think they went 40 rounds or so one time. That would be insane if it had to be a general ballot of the whole of the American people that many times.

Since 1992 I've voted for candidates receiving less than 1% of the vote. Is my vote worthless? Every time I cast it I'm sending a message about what my real preferences are. I think the people who are really wasting their votes are the ones who "vote" by staying home, or who vote by compromising their conscience and picking "the lesser of two evils" because they think only a republicrat can win. Thus perpetuating the uniparty system and telling the political class that they have your support no matter how corrupt they become.

The above quote is from wiki as they explain it in laymen terms and clearly shows your vote doesn't mean 1 single iota of sand. Are you going to waste your time, gas, and energy to go vote like the government and media tells you to even knowing it is a waste of time?

The politics behind it are quite simple really, lead the people to believe they actually matter while they laugh in the background as they know we are only here to provide them with a more comfortable life at our expense.