Topic: Are You Using A Journal Spreadsheets Will Pave The Way For Addiction To Gambling (Read 600 times)

It just affect the psychology.

Let's say I gamble everyday for $5, I won't mind $5 since it's just a small money, till end of the month, I don't feel wrong for spending $5 per day. But if I write down all of my expenses and I see I've spent $150 for gambling, I might feel wrong and kind of regret since $150 is quite big. So, he will decrease the money for gambling to the price that he feel acceptable.

But if the gambler know $150 is nothing for him, the journaling won't help anything, just add unnecessary work.

This will have many points of view about someone who keeps his own betting journal as a target in his gambling, for me it is something that will be detrimental because my gambling orientation is as entertainment, but maybe for some other people his orientation is like a challenge in their lives to get pleasure to fulfill his ambitions like in that thread, he said he would increase his money in soccer betting, because honestly it was difficult but he tried to record it to achieve the target he would strive for.

I don't think it is necessarily a path to addiction, because if he limits his money and limits his gambling time he will bet with discipline and will not have an addictive effect.

When a gambler becomes addicted to gambling, the gambler himself realizes that he is addicted to gambling, but when he becomes addicted, he cannot come out of that addiction even if he wants to. The gambler is gambling and sometimes the results go in his favor and sometimes the results go against him thus he keeps on gambling. However, when the gambler feels that he cannot control himself and gambles against his will, then he must be considered to be in danger of gambling. A gambler can gamble according to rules but if he is addicted to gambling then bad things await him in future. If there is a system where a gambler will gamble but not get addicted to gambling I think that site is fine for every gambler.

Nope. and let me explain why it doesn't, and why you think creating spreadsheets for your bets turns you into a gambling addict.

Why You Think Spreadsheets Induce Gambling Addiction: The reason why you assume that everyone who makes a table of the bets they have made eventually turn out to be chronic gamblers, is because you assume that creating such journals compel them to gamble more, you assume that just because they are now able to track their stuff, they'd be more confident to make belligerent bets since they can get back to it anyway in case they forget them, or that they are on the verge of becoming responsible gamblers, so now they can go crazy, this is simply untrue, and primarily for these reasons

Why It Prevents You From Becoming Addicted To Gambling: First off, creating a spreadsheet allows you to see your gambling behavior for what it truly is, allows you to track your expenses so you can ensure you don't go overboard or something, and ultimately it gives an itemized list of where your money went, letting off on you the full weight of your gambling behavior, whether it be healthy or not. These compel you to become more prudent with your money and be more sensitive to your gambling urges, which in turn makes you a more responsible gambler.

So no, journals and spreadsheets don't turn you into a gambling addict.

Yes, that's another one. No one wants to consume his time in spending recording all of those losses and wins. If you win, then so be it and the same goes for your losses. You don't have to be recorder of those when it's not going to change the results of yours. At some point, you can only benefit from it due to the activity of being organized and recording data.
But what's next? there's not that much next to it. And you don't have to bother it unless you are treating it as a business and you need to track all of those data that you're gathering from time to time. So, if you are up for it then that's totally okay as no one is going to stop you if that makes productive and a better gambler.

Although it is not going to take that much time but you it's quite hassle, isn't it? That's why we tell that it is consuming time, maybe not that much for some but that 'much' could be small for the others but not for us.

I thought journals and spreadsheet were meant to be for the purpose of record keeping and accountability, and not a deciding factor which could either stop or ignite gambling addition about individuals. Because the truth of the fact is that some could still have 1000 journals, and yet still becomes a chronic gambler. So these tools are meant to help a gambler keep track on his/her activity within a specified period of time, and not act as the solution to gambling addiction.  So just as gambling are willful act done for the purpose of fun or for money. It will only take that same willful and a decision to start gambling responsibly, to curb it's  addiction .

Come on! what does using a spreadsheet, sports betting have to do with addiction: everything and nothing, yeah, that is simply. whether you take the world of betting seriously or not, equally, any software support or not , it does not imply professional results or being successful, these topics seem like "trenches" in search of getting a topic where there is none.

Done this using my laptop and I don’t find it complicated thing to do since it just a simple copy paste once the result is out. Casino has a category for settled bets and summarized everything that makes it very easy to transfer on spreadsheet via computer.

Unless you are making hundred bets a day then this task is really complicated. But normal sports bettor/gambler usually have a few picks for the day while casino records are available under the profile transaction history. Some casino even have a statistics feature that shows your gambling progress on different time frames.

People like gambling, and your fun, responsible approach is great. And I respect that. Its about having fun while staying calm. Its significant to keep a gambling journal. Thats winning. Being professional. Talking about responsible gambling is crucial. Control and success management are the issues, not addiction. The notebook doesnt ruin fun. To improve it. Consider this: only play with what you can lose. You recover easily. Smart and strategic. The winners do it. Yes, some may laugh at a journal. I see it as a sign of a serious winner who appreciates the game and knows their boundaries. Its winning, I promise.

That means, you only use gambling to have fun and not to makes money while that's good for you because you can playing gambling without emotions. Many people makes their journal or spreadsheets because they wants to knows how much money they already used to playing gambling. But instead to check the money, that can makes them tempts to keeps playing gambling because they wants to gets their money back. We can makes a journal or spreadsheets but we must have good self control so we don't attract to comes back to the casino and have intention to recovers our lose. We can manage our funds that we used to playing gambling and apply limitations to avoids the big lose and that's our job to always control our funds to playing gambling. We can't lets ourselves spends much money to playing gambling because we must manages that money for our lives.

I dont want to see my losses and that is why I do not record any of them.

I organize thinga but I do not want someone to see something that I leave on track that might have seen by my any relative.

You know family matters, it is always an issue if someone is a gambler. Always have been a negative impression.

Honestly, it's a lot of work. I've tried it before during the FIBA basketball league and I can say that it takes a lot of effort to put it all on the list especially if there are a lot of games that will happen in a day.
But I cannot say that I went through gambling addiction just by doing that. It just made me realize how much my winning and losing rates and I can say I've won some amount but didn't really feel it because I was also playing casino games while doing the sports betting in the said event.

It's not about taking it seriously, recording things can help to decide your next bet, and history could sometimes repeat itself so you can use that record in the spreadsheet and maybe increase your winning chance.

No, I'm busy and I don't want to wasting my time.

Many people told we need to track our income and spending, so always record the money you make and every time you spend your money. It's used to make people able to manage their money and will not run out their money before they get paid in the next month. I would say it's bullshit, you don't have to track all of your income and spending, just adopt minimalism lifestyle, you won't spend money for unnecessary needs.

Whatever tracking they do if they have an attitude to extend more because they think they are not satisfied with the result they get and think about betting more for taking a chance to recover then everything what they do would be useless. And they can still get affected on abusive action they do which lead into addiction.
But if they can handle so well all of those things they do and make those journals spreadsheets what OP mentioned as a guide to follow then maybe he could able to bet those feeling to have an urge to gamble since he could able to see if he's losing to much or seeing enough gains. Overall its all matter on the discipline of the person since if he can execute all according to his plans then for sure each action he do will be fine and he will think about checking the sheet before taking risky decisions.

You are a good gambler and you are gambling responsibly. It is like someone to be asking me if I should be having the money that I spent during weekends on beer on records, which is just small amount of money which is not even on every weekends. I gamble just during weekends because I am always exhausted during the weekdays with work, while I only use just small amount of money on gambling which is not even often. Why having records on a journal for something that is not that irrelevant in my money management.

Nope, I don't take it so serious mate due to unavailability of my funds to be used for gambling. Sometimes I can bet for lottery at the local outlet on streets, but there's no focused emotions in times of losses.
Only luck can tell if winning moments will be for me, and I'm just thankful for those money I've bee using to contribute to gambling businesses particular with online betting. Having fun isn't bad but putting gambling to addiction will be worst.

About this, I won't say I'm surprised, it is all about how we take betting. Some take betting as a casual extra activity where they can try their luck and have fun without laying so much seriousness to it, while others may take it seriously. Among those who take it seriously will surely be those who are trying to be thorough with it to the extent of having their gambling record. Either, I can't take gambling that seriously even though I am fully engaged. I have other things to rack my brain with than gambling, and my philosophy about it is that if I win, I win, and if I lose, I lose, life goes on. However, a thing that I do better in gambling is to make sure that I am committed to responsible gambling, that's just it.

As for your questions, the only way someone will have a journal for gambling will ever be for accountability and I do not think such a gambler can be addicted or be an irresponsible gambler doing that. The moment the person is addicted and irresponsible is the moment that he will even forget he has a gambling journal. Surely, this is not about the way to win or analyze better, even in sports betting, all the records are online for your consumption, and can even be stored in the brain for future use. For these, I think his motive is for proper recording and accountability.

There are individuals who may choose to keep their own journal or spreadsheet with regards to responsible gambling. They take a more serious approach to gambling and use this tool as a means of risk management and loss limitation. For them, journals or spreadsheets are tools for making data-based and more precise decisions.

However, for others, using a journal or spreadsheet can be an indication of addiction. If someone is too fixated on tracking every bet and its outcome, this may indicate that they are getting out of control with their gambling habits. This can lead them towards neglecting financial and personal tasks, wasting time and energy on other aspects of life.

Using a journal or spreadsheet to manage gambling can be a smart strategy, but vigilance for signs of addiction is key. Take action to ensure gambling remains healthy and responsible. If you detect that the use of these tools is impacting your life or triggering unwanted behavior, seek help and support immediately. Use a smart approach to maintain health and responsibility in gambling.

I do not have a journal or any kind of way to register my wins or losses after each gambling session, since I am the kind of person who actually believes those tools are indeed a faster way to get trapped by gambling addiction. It is better just to slowly forget about losses and enjoy wins when they are big enough for us to buy something nice.
Since the house is supposed to always to over gamblers in the long term, having a gambling journal only encourages gamblers to continue to wager in the long term (for the sake of always having positive balance against the casino), that will ultimately finish with losses which will encourage further to gamble more and more and increase the wager.
So, that is what I personally think of those journals or registers. They are not good for the purpose of gambling being seen as a way to entertain ourselves and exclusively use money which we can afford to lose.

I had not seen that thread, by the way, I doubt that person will be able to achieve his goal (if he does, then congratulations).

I do not have a personally made spreadsheet since the casino has our cash flow record and the statistics of our gambling performance.  Besides, I always look at gambling as an entertainment that can possibly give me profit so I do not take it seriously as a career or as a main source of income.  But I take it seriously when it comes to moderation and responsible gambling because I know that one slip of discipline can possibly trigger gambling addiction.

I used to have a spreadsheets to document my bets. It used to include infos like the teams in the selection, the market, the odds, amount and result of the bet. I wanted a way to keep track of my bets so I can guage if I'm actually making profits or not. It seemed like a nice idea at the time but it didn't really work out.

For OP that is asking if it can contribute to gambling addition, I can't say for such but the fact remains that anybody that goes that extra miles to document their bets actually take gambling as a hustle and business and not something for fun. It has been escalated.

Very few gamblers are actually doing this practice - recording his bets. Because believe it or not, it is time consuming and you can't sustain such activity especially if you are a regular bettor. But if you are just an occasional bettor, it would not be a bothersome to do such task. It will also give you idea on how are you doing with predictions in sports. You can also get some hints on your next bets.

I've tried that once, as I wanted to see my betting prowess in basketball. Remember, in one game, there are a lot of betting lines that you can place your bets with. So I tried recording all my bets for that game and see if I can have profit at the end of the game. And I did have profits. But in my opinion, this is quite tedious if you will do this in your day to day betting. Good for you if you have so much time to spare, but if not, better take note your deposit and withdrawal amounts to see if you are on the losing or winning side.

I can't even remember my bets from last day so I don't even want to start a spreadsheet as that will most likely drive me crazy haha with my pathetic choices + I don't really like to keep notes about my bets but I do like to track some certain teams in order to avoid them or to place bets on them. Per example , tonight in NHL , I don't think Hurricanes will go down 0-4 as they were favorites to win this NHL Stanley Cup.

Before, I was like a random sportsbettor and doesn't do stuff with records until I have seen that it's a common thing to record your stuff and do things such as recording your bets to keep yourself on track. I find it odd before because it's completely a new world to me but then, I am the weird one that doesn't do records on related to finances. Yes, I'd say that this is related to finances because we spend money and just as how budgeting works, it should be the same as this.
I guess that it is hitting two birds with one stone, as you do journals, spreadsheets, manually or digitally. The thing is you're developing yourself and helping to do things on your own by tracking your own spending habits in your bets. This is a good structure for you to gain a skill for tasks like this, so it means that those gamblers that are doing journals have been multi-tasking for their own sake.

I think it's a rather a good thing IMO because it helps to stay objective on the situation and your condition actually. You're less likely to deny your losses and the time you spent on this activity with a journal or a spreadsheet tracking your results. So I think it could prevent addiction and gambling compulsion if you make it seriously. But you should keep in mind it's only a tool, it can help but it can't cure gambling addiction alone. People really affected by this condition need to see a doctor for this.

The last thing I'd do is creating a pattern or formula for gambling... WTH does that? Don't y'all save up some money just Incase any exegencies comes forth?.  Well, the stories I've heard so far won't cease anytime soon

The moment you begin to adopt this step, soon enough, it'll become a lifestyle - that means, you an addict already! The body stimulates the mind in most actions; like getting aquatinted with a certain habit overtime... I'd guess that's the last thing you'd ever want.
Y'all, if you don't wanna regret ever knowing how to gamble, stay away from this thread.

I think that only very very few person have such an excel spreadsheet or word document where they update it regularly by keeping track of everything they do.This is however not a paving way to addiction,this for me means to be extra cautious with what you do and if you have a look at your word or excel document and you spot heavy losses that is red flag or a bell of alarm that a smart person should interpret it as to stop gambling otherwise if he continues it is going to be bad and go from bad to worse.This can be as a last resort savior for people who keep such document.Personally I have never kept it as I mostly play slot machines and I know I am in deep red,looking for ways to stop gambling completely.

Tracking your activities tells different, I can see a responsible gambler here especially if he will use that data to make a good strategy or another approach in gambling, and if you already hit your limit that spreadsheet will remind you to stop. Though it can be addicting once your data tells a bad habit of breaking your strategy, and having that monitoring is useless because your purpose hits different.

I use a spreadsheet for my sportsbets because I'd rather be able to know what I'm losing and not to overdo it. No other reason to be honest. I think holding a spreadsheet is like holding yourself accountable, which is good.

So I really don't understand OP's sentiment. Keeping track of your transactions and yourself accountable LEADS to addiction instead of preventing it? I think OP should reconsider because quite the opposite happens. It's not realistic to consider otherwise as keeping track is literally a barrier against addiction other than anything else. Maybe not the most effective one, and you can't rely only on this, but it surely has a good effect that one shouldn't just disregard like this.

So far no, but I have thought about using a journal or spreadsheet as my yearly bet that I want to do with a spreadsheet but I'm not sure it will become a serious addiction.

What I have in mind about sports betting is like continuing to bet on favorite teams with pretty good wins every season.

Manchester City this season has 26x wins with two games left, well the rest are draws and losses if we continue to bet on Manchester City's winnings which say 28x wins throughout the season will this be profitable?

I didn't record the betting market odds simulation but I imagine it might be profitable.

Then I guess it's all about our self-discipline when it comes to gambling.

Not everyone is built same so people may behave differ for something in particular, to me it doesn't make any such addiction but gave me clarity and it's not just applicable to my gambling activities but almost anything I do kind of preplanned so there is a better chance of achieving what I am trying to.

That could be right because when they see their journal or spreadsheets, they will see how many wins and losses you got. They will wants to gets their money back if their losses bigger than their wins and that can makes them lose more money.
I don't creates journal or spreadsheets for my gambling activity because for me, gambling is just an activity to fills my time and not because makes money. Besides that, I don't taking gambling seriously because I knows that playing gambling is just for fun and we don't have to use much money.
Maybe people out there created spreadsheets to manage their money and checks their wins and lose so they can decides it later. We just hope that those people doesn't becomes addiction in gambling because playing gambling can caused them becomes addicted to gambling.

No, I'm not using any of it. Usually a gambler who's making a record of his gambling activity wants to see the progress if he's in profit or not. Just like the gambler in op's example, he has a target amount to reach and we know it's not easy. Seeing the losses can only bring a regret in my part. Therefore, it's better not to make a record so I can stop dwelling in the past. It might be helpful for gamblers who take gambling seriously, however we know for some of us, it would be best to just leave everything behind.

Do we know that when some people have a summary of what they have been spending on gambling over time, its going to be a disappointment on them to discover that they have lost that much on gambling without having a single chance of winning big, this and many other reasons can draw their attention to begin with the chase after loss and at the cause of this, they keep loosing the more and may get addicted along the way if care is not taken from how they are gambling.

When I was keeping the record of my gambling activities, I was kind of addicted during the time, unlike now that I do not keep any record because the money I am using to gamble is very small. I could remember that time also that I will make predictions of how I will make money from gambling and have it also in records, but I will lose again to gambling. Gambling is not worth something someone should keep records of. Anyone that is keeping record of it is somehow addicted.

Keeping the track of what your performance doesn't necessarily mean that the person is addicted and in my opinion it is better to know what you are doing than being a complete rogue and didn't know what you are doing.

I will definitely not recommend anyone to do such challenges like turning $100 into $100o or whatever but if they manages it to achieve somehow with good analytical skills of the particular game then all I can say is well done buddy, I ain't capable of doing that.

It was probably  being related to addiction as when you are making spreadsheet already, that means you are trying to be serious with gambling, and when you are serious, you'll gamble more and we know that when we gamble more there's a big possibility that we will get addicted.

Though I agree with your opinion that spreadsheet will help us to analyze our works in gambling, and I find it necessary if our intention is to win as the approach should be systematic, but as I've mentioned, it could lead to addiction because it will lead to us gambling regularly.

The guy will be betting on football(which isn't considered hardcore gambling), as long as he makes small bets I don't think that he could develop a gambling addiction. However, I don't get the point of making spreadsheets of your bets in luck based games. The results would be partially or completely random and no patterns can be formed. Setting your goals like "I will make this amount of BTC out of betting this amount of BTC" is a wrong approach and shows that the guy considers gambling/sports betting as a way to make consistent money.
Only a small percentage of the sports bettors are making consistent profits, I'm 99% sure that a noob cannot make consistent money out of sports betting. He will have to gain lots of experience beforehand.

I have been following my bets for many years (here on this topic https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitbollo-betting-advice-45-267-13-1-place-tipster-competition-1234109 ) providing free suggestion to all gamblers.
I don't see it as something that can create addiction but rather as a tool that helps you better understand how this activity works and what allows you to obtain a profit.
Also, is a great way for money management. I would definitely recommend as useful tool in gambling.

Make sense, using some journal will just make it like organize especially if you are tracking your funds and winnings or like winning percentage that will help you to analyze your gambling behaviour, but related with addiction to gambling, I can say that there's nothing to do with addiction at all.

First off, it's pave, not fave. Fave is a slang or informal version of favorite.

I guess you're confusing gambling with bankroll management. To make a journal or spreadsheet of your bets doesn't necessarily mean taking gambling seriously. But it certainly means taking money seriously.

I can't see any reason why making a good accounting of your bets would lead to addiction. On the contrary, since it provides you a summary of your bets, a bigger picture of your vice at least as far as its financial aspect is concerned, it might even encourage you to stop or gamble moderately.

Finally, to make a spreadsheet or a journal is not "looking for ways and a means to win". A spreadsheet is for tracking your gambling expenses, wins or losses. It isn't a strategy for winning.

I used to have a spreadsheet to track my bets but I eventually stopped because it already served its purpose and helped me take gambling less seriously. It still helps a lot if you're planning to take sports betting seriously, if you don't want to spend much effort you can find some tracking templates shared by other bettors.

If it's for luck-based games, it won't offer that much help because you're set up to lose even if you change your strategy or avoid specific games.

Yes, this is true on which whether you do have a journal or not, the risks of addiction or possibilities or probabilities would really be there because everything would really be just that depending into someones mind and if you are someone whose really that having that high hopes on making money with gambling then no matter what you would really be doing will really be having that kind of impact on which you are really that putting yourself into that potential addiction on which we know that it is really that too hard for you to get out once you've been addicted. This is something that you should really be having in your mind is that never ever make yourself having that kind of intent in mind about making money with gambling because this would make things got worst.

Having some tracking on your betting or trying out to achieve something isnt that bad because if this something that could give out that thrill then go ahead.
As long you are really that only spending on the amount that you have budgeted or allocated with that particular goal then it would really be just that fine.

Things like this can actually make us chasing our losses or even make us lazy and dont want to work anymore because based on that journal we are still in profits after a month/year.
Maybe this is necessary for pro gamblers who only rely an income from gambling, but for ordinary gamblers it is not that important.
Not to mention, for those who live in countries where gambling is illegal, a journal like that could bring trouble for the owner.

Well, addiction depends on the individual. Having a journal or spreadsheet of your gambling winnings and loss, won't define you as someone who is serious in gambling. I saw that post as well, and he's just doing ut for additional entertainment because other people would also be aware of what he wants to happen.Personally, addiction is more likely to exist with gamblers who never tracked their winnings and losses because they're more likely to just continue betting as much as they can. Using a journal or record will even help you decide with the amount you are about to engage for that day, week, or month. Not unless you'd allow emotions to take over you. There's a tendency that a player knowing how big his loss is, would push his way of winning by betting more until the desire of him was filled.

Am even shocked hearing this that some person actually do have or keep records of their gambling games because I don't know of such thing, for me it's all for the moment with my gambling habits. Although when the loses do get to me, I sometimes do a little calculation in my head just to get the figures straight.😁😁

Nope, I don't have a journal or spreadsheet for gambling, and I am no longer taking gambling as seriously as before, when I was jobless and still a student. I gamble occasionally now. 

From that topic, which you are referring to, I remember I made a comment there yesterday, and from what I understand regarding the OP talk, I think he meant that he was going to use that thread to update the readers about his success in the journey he wants to take towards using 0.05 BTC to win 1.7 BTC. I don't think he really meant to say it was a journal. I am not so sure, but I think it might have been a "miss use of words. Just a guess, though; I might be wrong too. 

But it's different though, in trading we have strategies, in gambling their is none, all you can write is what games you play and how much you lose or win on that particular game. After that there no plan or strategy whatsoever. But yeah, all of the online casinos now have transaction logs already, and it's readily available to you as you can see the data that you want to see. Unless you to go land base casinos as your main platform and not online. The approach is pretty much the same, bring in some money as capital and at the end of the night, you will also known how much money you spend. But a journal won't help.

Not really no? It's just a pretty easy way to tally your gambles, especially for people who want to have a clear idea about what the hell happened throughout their entire journey. Now if I wasn't a lazy ass I would've done the same, which I did one time, but at some point, I just forgot all about it lol.

In his case, I wouldn't consider it as addiction or anything, seriously? Maybe. But it's more so because he's turning it into a challenge of sorts. That's why he needs a journal. Now idk the logic exactly as to why you want to have a journal, but it's always better to have one when you're turning it into a challenge of sorts than not having one.

Keeping such record means the gambler is taking it as a business or investment that he doesn't do from time to time or at intervals but on a daily or consistent basis and that is the reason he has to keep the record to ensure to keep track of his results both for loses and for profit. I don't have such record because at the moment I am a heavy gambler unlike in the past. However, to keep such record is a factor that also makes someone to be addicted to gambling because when you see you have lost more you will also chase to recover which is one emotional factor in all human. The cause of greed is also part of this emotional aspect to gambling.

I'm not sure about others but personally I don't prefer to have my own gambling journal. I'm not a addict or seriously into gambling and sometimes I don't place bets for many days while other times I place 2-4 bets per day. However, I've never used spreadsheets to write the statistics of my bets.

I wouldn't say tracking bets turns you into an addict.  Lotsa folks keep journals or spreadsheets to follow their gambling.  It helps spot things - like if you got bad habits popping up or maybe a lucky streak rideing in.  Sure, some get carried away with the tracking, but that can happen with anything and  just 'cause you write down what you buy don't mean youre obsessed with shopping or something. 

Point is, tracking ain't just for addicts.  Regular people do it too.  It's a solid way to keep your bets organized.  Doesn't have to be a bad thing.

Nope, im not really doing such thing on having that kind of tracking or some sort but its not really that bad for someone to make use of those things on which on the time that you do gambling then each one of us would really be having that different approach. If the guy turns out on having that kind of trying out to achieve those numbers then let him be, its his money and its his risks to be taken. Its not bad on having those spreadsheets or whatever forms of tracking because having to look about progress or fails is something that you could be able to spot out. The important thing on here is that on whatever conditions that you are into whether hitting the goal or having that huge loses is that you could be able to stop midway immediately since you've been aware on whats happening.

The only issue on here is on the time that you would really be getting addicted and this is something that you should really be avoiding at all cost if you dont really like to mess up your life with.
This is only the main thing that you should be having in mind because control and moderation would be the key for you to avoid such condition.

This is a thing of preference and priority, if such gambler sees it a means to help him keep a track on his gambling habits, he can uses such in which same may not applies on others, if we are also going to consider by the way of being private, not everyone will like to take this decision as a welcome idea at all, some like keeping their gambling lifestyle a secret, any of this will not encourage for addiction on any ground except the gambler is not doing the right thing from the way he gambles.

 

He is clearly thinking that gambling is a means of making a profit, which is why he will be writing it down on a spreadsheet because he thinks that by doing so, he will be able to manage better. when in fact it will be useless, he will lose all his money, he will be frustrated and disappointed with himself. Unfortunately, most people don't like to listen when they are warned about the dangers of looking at gambling as a source of income instead of playing for fun without thinking about obtaining any financial gain. Most people think that when other people warn about the great danger of looking at gambling as a source of income, it is a lie. They even start to hate all the people who keep talking about how gambling should not be seen as a source of income

look at op's case, he is even already making plans to turn 0.05 into 1.7 as if gambling, particularly sports betting, were very easy to predict and generate profits. When he starts to lose and has to put more money back into the bookmaker, and loses everything again and puts more money back into the bookmaker, then he will realize that he has been spending a lot of his life stressed, chasing impossible profits, losing time and money, whereas you could have been playing without pressure and just for fun and it would have been much better

Some claim gambling journals and spreadsheets are the devil. Got it. Tracking too much feeds addiction. Big surprise: it's how you utilize the tool, not the instrument itself. Smart people know this. Those instruments don't become traps, they reveal them. Mindset matters. When done right, tracking bets is powerful. Accountability; not obsession. Awareness is taught everywhere, right? This shows awareness. Wins and defeats, revealed. That understanding is what divides winners from failures, trust me. Record-keeping can confront reality and inspire change. Don't fear, use it. Key? Do not make tracking a game. A tool, not the strategy. Use it to see patterns, make informed choices, and balance risks. People, that's responsible gambling. We keep ahead that way. It's the reverse of escalating. If they disagree, they're missing the point.

Back in my undergraduate days I had this roommate who had this book typical of a journal he uses for recording of his gambling bets. More interestingly is that he had all the major Europe club leagues tables written on that book. Additionally , all his previous predictions in that football season you can find it boldly written in that book.

I don't know how he has the time to be doing all of that but what I discovered going through that book/journal was that despite all the data analysis he will gather about a team in each respective league before making his predictions on them he still wasn't getting much wins for someone taking up such meticulous seriousness and passion  with his gambling.

Having a spreadsheet is like having a time table for gambling and that is following up with the trend at a time, although only active gambler's need this journal or time table and by being active some people may take it as being addicted to gambling.


Much more also we have to align ourselves with our various level of understanding and how we take gambling.

There is a guy I know, who is a full time gambler, I mean a professional gambler(gambles for a living)and when I talk about gambling for a living, I mean he got his three cars off gambling, married off gambling and already embarking on a house project and all major proceeds are from gambling and his a typical example of people who take gambling really serious .

I think, keeping record of one’s gambling is also a good one as it will help one stay in track and know if they’re actually doing well and when to take a break, hence I think having a spreadsheet is a good one for a gambler from my perspective

I'm using a spreadsheet to keep track of my expenses in gambling. IMO this does not equate to me being an addict to gambling, but rather just being responsible with my finances since I know how to keep track of where things are going and how much am I spending for, say, a certain period of time. It's true that it means that I'm taking gambling seriously, but not to the extent that I'm into gambling but rather trying to just make sure that I'm not really losing a lot of money and I will have the chance to reassess what I'm doing.

I do this kind of recording because my job is always makes me track everything that regard finances. I always check my gambling stats at the end of my game just to compared it to my previous game and overall records.

It’s y way of organizing my expenses and track whether I’m spending too much on gambling. Being serious on managing bankroll is not a sign of addiction but rather a form pf being responsible since you will know if you re already over committed on gambling or not.

It’s funny how other people think of being serious = addicted on gambling while we should be serious on gambling because there’s moneh involved here.

No, I don't do this I'm not taking my gambling to a new level I don't even spend a lot of time looking at my betting history as I'm going to be disappointed with my stat I prefer to concentrate on my allocation for it not to go higher but I know a lot of my friends who are into horse racing which uses computer analysis tool just to know their favorite horses' chances.

This doesn't look good, as you have to spend countless hours and add more money to sustain your bets, so for me, keeping journal spreadsheets or using analysis tools will get you close to addiction.

That could happens to those who use a journal or spreadsheets to becomes addicted to gambling because they will thinks to recovers their lose and will comes back to casino and keeps playing gambling. They will not thinks that they already lose much money in gambling and needs to reduces their gambling activity because their minds still thinks about wins the games. Some people created a journal to monitor their gambling activity and control the money they have been used to playing gambling. But some others are trying to check their money and how much they already lost in gambling so they can return to casino and playing gambling. That can makes them spends more money to recovers their lost but that doesn't guarantee they can wins and gets their money back.

It depends on whether they use the spreadsheet to know the expenses and income from gambling because there is curiosity then the person uses the spreadsheet to record it but to lead to more serious gambling depends on the person if they think for an income then obviously this can be addictive and he will continue to play.

I don't have a journal about this gambling flow what it is, in the sense that when there is money I will gamble when there is no it will stop since so until now for several years of gambling do not have a journal or spreadsheet that you mentioned.

I know a friend who is good at keeping records of his gambling endeavors and he would always determine if he has made a profit or loss at the end of the year. He is not a gambling addict but he sees gambling as a serious business. I don't have any history of recording my gambling activities and I don't have any intention to keep such document. I gamble with what I would have spent on biscuits or junk, so the money is insignificant. I just think that it is unnecessary to have such records since what I spend is just little to keep a record. Keeping records will be also time-consuming and I don't think I have such time to spare. But I think that people who keep records about an activity, take it seriously. 

I do not take gambling seriously to the point that I will calculate the amount of money that I am spending on gambling. I do not think I spend up to 1% of money on gambling. It is hard for me to even take my money to gamble but sometimes I will just want to have fun and bet or gamble with little amount of money. I am surprised that some people are thinking of gambling like this.

Spreadsheets will make you to manage proper your bankroll because you will consider your current bankroll size for your bet size. Let’s say I started with 1000$ then went down by a 100$, I will start adjusting my bet size increase/decrease depending on my situation.

Just like trading,  a record of your activity will help you to assess your current status.


Don’t need since casino offers a transaction history that works same as spreadsheets and journal. Besides, you can always request for your account summary to casino support to save time on recording your data.

Taking gambling seriously is having a document to record how you manage your bank roll. Isn't it called bank roll management? It doesn't have to be a journal or spreadsheet. It could be something as informal as writing it on a note app on your phone. No matter how we have chosen to look at it, gambling must be done deliberately if not, there is a chance that one will go ahead to spend money they cannot afford to lose unknowingly.

I do, because I mean business. Yes, I'm serious with gambling so I made a spreadsheet of my bet to monitor my performance. Just a bankroll, and your bet and its outcome, as simple as that, with a profitable outcome, that means you are succesful with gambling.

Actually, everyone who like to try their journey with gambling should make a record of their bets, I'm talking about a particular  gambling type which is sports betting, as for me this requires skills to win and we can't lie to ourselves if there's a spreadsheet that will tell our peformance.

Does it prevent addiction? I don't know, maybe, but it's not guaranteed.

Previously, there were people who asked here where they questioned the gambling record for a month or year then it was the same as not a journal that wanted to know our average bet won or lost, but I didn't do that because gambling should be a pleasure not a journal.

If there is a spreadsheet or journal then they will take gambling seriously maybe he will consider whether it is profitable or not, but I don't do that gambling will not be taken seriously even though they often play gambling every weekend or when there is a big match.

One thing I do in gambling, if you lose it doesn't matter if you win then it's a luck that should be enjoyed.

I gamble for fun, and I don't take it that serious to the extent that I will have a spread sheet or journal to keep record of my gambling activities. Whenever I am gambling, I see it as fun because I am using an amount that will not affect me after the game.

Keeping record of my gambling activities is already easy for me, as I have a percentage that I assign to my gamble budget. So it is easy for me to know how much I have used to gamble in the year, because I just do my simple multiplication. If I win and lost it back to gamble, I don't count it as money that I lost.

Fave? As in favorite? Or pave?

I think taking it to the every detail that you manage to use an excel spreadsheet every step of the way is one of the best ways to really be serious about things and it could show you something that you might not have seen if you hadn't done it.

I do journal but not with having an excel spreadsheet, just writing my experiences for the day.

I think majority of us who gamble here in this forum don't do that thing because I personally didn't do that myself as that is time consuming and also I am not taking gambling very seriously especially nowadays where I find it hard to spend my hard earned money just for it.

A lot of persons who takes gambling seriously either turned an addicted winner or an addicted loser. I don't want to fall in the category of addiction so I don't bother creating any serious plans before gambling. I've never taught of creating a journal or spreadsheet before and don't think there's any need. There are two times I gamble. The first is when there's an important sport match that I know and I'm sure have good odds of winning. And the other when I'm less busy, I play casino games. So I don't put too much efforts on my gambling activities because I don't want to be among those addicted.

If I'm not mistaken, gambling has nothing to do with Journals or Spreadsheets, both of which are features that are often used by students in completing their Descriptive Studies in college work.
There are several courses that require completing a Descriptive Study about gambling.
For example: Journal
Gambling is a poor culture.

In general, journals are divided into several sections such as scientific journals, they are often related to methods of publishing the results of their research, whether it is soccer gambling, slots, Blackjack and so on all aim to show the student's character in communicating with each other in the academic world.
Likewise, the Spreadsheet feature aims to make it easier for students to manage or analyze their gambling data or to make it easier for them to analyze automatic gambling data.

Conclusion: because the user @savingformedschool is a medical student, so I'm not sure he's really a serious gambling addict, I suspect he just wants to communicate here, to complete his medical studies.
The problem with what he said in the title, I think it's just his luck or Demo gambling, which is basically: I never use the journal or Spreadsheet feature, because I'm not a Descriptive Study gambler.

Using a journal or a Spreadsheet will not lead to gambling addiction.. Gambling addiction is the result of irresponsible gambling. An irresponsible gamble doesn't even keep track of their gambling in any way. Keeping track of their gambling is simply holding themselves accountable. And one thing we know is that those guys hate accountability.

I am not sure about this however I think that professional gamblers are one group of people who have have a journal or spreadsheet where they record their profits and losses and keep to it strictly. Of course in the long run, it helps them in their evaluation of their gambling and gives them directions on their gambling to make an informed decision.

i don't think that it's important enough for me to be able to keep a journal or anything about my gambling, because it's just a hassle and it reduces the fun of gambling, so i don't have the intention to keep a journal or anything like that. i prefer to stick to my bankroll and play on that, it's easier and more fun, compared to having to make my bets on a journal.

Personally I don't think so, the guy who created the thread is talking about sports gambling, where there is scope to win if you are skilled enough, so if anything it might help him to succeed. And whoever does that and loses money will make him see his losses clearly, so I think it is preventive because degenerate gamblers often lose track of what they have lost.

I don't think so, it only shows that you're organized and you're making a journal out of it. So, that means that you're still in control and if ever your plan didn't go accordingly, you have contingency plans.

That's true because you've got a plan of growing your bankroll. We've got different descriptions about what addiction is but for me, I don't think that this is addiction.

I do take my bets seriously but not to that point that it will cause me addiction.

Nah, mate, I don't think we need journals for our gambling bet on how much we are +/-. Might just put to much pressure on the gambling to let's say he see that he has been losing money already and so he continues to play just to break even.

But some of us are just enjoying or having some fun so this kind of journal will not serve any purpose.

And isn't if if he has reach 1.7 BTC then he should stop as he had that goal reach already. So regardless if you are going to write it down, it won't change anything as long as we you have a goal in your mind.

Gambling should just be for fun. I do not see having a journal to be good if you are gambling. What that is most important to gambers is to have a gambling budget and the gambling budget should be of very low amount of money. It is obvious that the guy is taking gambling seriously like he wants to use it to make money but that is just a way to addiction. If it will not lead to addiction, it is still just a way to lose that money.

Gambling is never amongst my source of payrolls so it don't see senses in creating a spreadsheet for monitorship.
I would only set-up a gambling budget and schedule myself on sequences of when and when not to gamble.

It is a game of luck and does not Worth keeping those record tracks.

To be honest, I want to start testing.

Using a spreadsheet, bankroll with 900$, doing 3 sections (Morning, Daylight, and Night) with a target of around 35$/each section. I just want to test these with around 1 month, and see the result.

I started around the middle of the month, at the time of getting my paycheck. If successfully reaching around 300-400$ profit, I will pull out my bankroll and starting using the profit for the bankroll.

I never do that I stick with my allocation and just rely on my analysis and other analyses, that is on sports betting and when it comes to luck-based games I rely on luck and hunch because using a spreadsheet on luck-based is totally useless I am more concerned on the time I spent I always wish that before I lose my bankroll I get more hours to enjoy my session.

No I don't have a journal or a spreadsheet period for me gambling is all about entertainment and having fun period anything more than this is getting addicted and needs to be nipped in the bud. The only time I can think about having a spreadsheet for gambling is to record my budget and how much I spent on gambling per month and have a total of it and the end of every year. I consider this part of my personal finances plan.

There is a thread about a guy who created a thread about his bet and will make it his journal for betting


I want to ask: Are Using A Journal or Spreadsheets Will Fave The Way For Addiction To Gambling? My reasoning is that by creating a spreadsheet or a journal, you are taking gambling seriously and looking for ways and a means to win in sports betting or luck-based games.

Does anyone here have their own journal or spreadsheets, and are you taking gambling seriously?