Topic: Argument against vaccines quite flawed (Read 568 times)

Thats a year old video. People still line up to get "shot", in ten years or so we will know how many will die from the great covid war. see sig.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/dKIfUZZ3Sn1Q/

A great number of peeps will switch directly from denial of these 'conspiracy theories' to knowing that they are real, implemented by 'people much smarter than ourselves', AND are/were a good and necessary thing.  Nearly all of 30%-ish who believe the current 'narrative' about covaids, 'vaccines', etc will be in this category as will some fraction of those who are not particularly 'woke' in a general sense.  The resources behind promoting 'the great narrative' are enormous and their target audience is not really very high-functioning.

I would take exception to your assertion that it is 'the government' who is doing this.  At least without acknowledging and stipulating that 'the government' is a minor and increasingly meaningless part of the corp/gov system that runs the world.  'The government' has basically a 'legal' rubber stamp left over from earlier times and not much else.

SMH, The government is working on the biggest project ever and they experimenting on You humans. They look at the dread, the fear, the Submission and they are keeping yall under this Hypnosis and you dont even know it. The vaccine is a WEAPON to destroy our DNA and our mRNA. To be clear these vaccines is The Solution to depopulate the World. This is nothing new So dont say it is. This all happened before our time and times before, But their plan couldn't proceed because there was people speaking against it. Now People are so caught up into vile things and so tuned in the physical senses that they allow Everything to harm the spiritual senses. If that keeps happening your spiritual senses will forever be shut down and with this Jab Raping your body will shut down and everything is that is in you.

Look at this and listen

https://rumble.com/vkopys-a-pathologist-summary-of-what-these-jabs-do-to-the-brain-and-other-organs.html

If it's free you are the product.
You know who else has a lifetime of free vaccines, pigs.

Money? Where do you live?
At least in my country (Argentina) both the checkups and the vaccines are free, and you can get checked and/or vaccinated within a few blocks of your home...

The people working their asses off in hospitals get a smaller picture at their local hospital(s) of what is happening, but even then, the small amount of medical professionals I have talked to locally, who are friends (mainly nurses & 2 doctors), seem well aware of what the CDC does and how politically-driven they are, so they take most of what the CDC says and does with a grain of salt. Yet, IMO, everyone else seems to be treating these guys like God's and allowing decisions that potentially have long-term consequences.

Unless you are extremely high risk and willing to accept the mRNA experimentation, IMO, the best solution for most is going to be vitamins C, D, and Zinc, and practice proper hygiene. I personally don't mind masks and would encourage their use at times of high spread and close environments, but I dislike mandates in general.

This has been feeling more like when the CDC created a 5th vital sign (pain) in 1996, and big pharma rolled out their "very tested, non-addictive" opioid "solution" (Oxy) to it the same year.. which has killed millions and gotten many millions more addicted to them, and it isn't over yet. Every doctor under the sun defended and distributed this for many many years, and the majority ignored the addictive behaviors simply because they were told by the "experts" it wasn't addictive.

It's cool though, they have more medications for the addictions they created.  

I have a difficult time believing the guys you all tout as 'experts' are truly looking out for our health or our best interests. While many of the local ground-level guys, doctors/nurses, believe they are doing good, and a lot of them actually are doing good things, the people above them are playing games, motivated by finances, and seemingly just want to get as many dependents on the medical industry & pharmaceuticals as possible.

I almost never claim 'proof' of anything because I almost never see 'proof' of anything.  'Alternative' sources of information other than those 'brought to you by Pfizer' (which includes the captured regulatory agencies) form the basis of input I use to deduce the more likely and less likely representations of 'reality' (as I define the term.)

I do skim mainstream sources often enough just to see what the enemy is pushing and what psychological methods they are employing.  The stuff is written and produced for people who are quite low-functioning so it takes only a matter of minutes or seconds in a lot of cases.


Of course!  For about 30% it is not just difficult but psychologically and/or physiologically impossible to shift away from their cult leaders no matter what happens.  This is the same 30% who would bring their kids to the high priest to sacrifice on an alter, and defend to the death the need for the priest to perform the actions.  For the greater good.  Anyone who argued that the rains might come even if the ceremony were not performed would be in great danger from this 30%.

I don't really care that much about this 30%.  This 30% are the ballast needed for TPTB to pull their various scams.  When they go bye-bye there will be some hope, but not before.  And again, there is absolutely nothing which will turn them around.  Sad, but it is what it is.

The main block of people I actually care about would the the 50/60-ish percent who have at least the potential to open their eyes just a little bit as things go into complete absurd-ville and save themselves before it's too late.  While most of those who do will be at best not part of the ballast that the WEF guys need, some may even become a positive influence as we proceed into the later phases of the struggles.

So, your argument is that you have the right information, in this case, that vaccines causes deaths, while the official media is lying in the sense that the virus does not cause deaths. The people working their assess off in hospitals are lying, most doctors, except the ones that you follow, are lying and everyone with a vaccine will die.

Your proof of this is an "alternative news outlet" right? Are you aware of the difficulty of others believing you?

I would get myself checked, once I get the money. That's the thing with vaccine mandates, the poor usually can't opt out of it if it'll be required to take public transport or for job.

The world is just a giant corrupt junk heap. People are figting a non exist "virus".
Pro-Freedom MEP's Demand Resignation of Ursula von der Leyen for COVID Corruption
https://www.bitchute.com/video/2Uuo4xBLDQC1/

The thing is even in Canada right now, the effect of covid 19 vaccination is causing alot of chaos as in the case of the truckers, people are going against the mandatory effect of getting vaccinated bit the truth is that even those that got vaccinated were still suffering from the recent Variants of Omicron and the government in Canada is placing the vaccination route a mandate for it's citizens. 

Vaccines are pretty much like birth control pills, in that some people have no side effects whatsoever, while on others they make a mess. If you're feeling unwell, the smart thing to do (instead of saying "it must have been because of...") is to consult a physician. It may be because of the vaccine, or it may have other causes, related or not to it. You can speculate all you want, but in the end, only a doctor can give you the right answer.

I'm still noping out of it, considering it's not just me but also many people I know that started feeling unwell after taking these vaxx. And I don't mean just the "usual" stuff like swelling and fever after taking any other vaccines.

The FDA agrees as long as they get paid by the drug companies as this latest Project Veritas expose shows:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.59265269

It seems we are in the same country. and it's true that this method is effective, especially in big cities where mobility is higher. Those who initially doubted, wanted to hide or even didn't believe in vaccines with an alibi that wasn't strong enough because it was only based on a few negative statements about vaccines, in the end, like it or not, they had to be vaccinated if they wanted to be free everywhere.

I think there is some hope for that depending on what particular batch one gets, but more importantly, depending on your own body's propensity for cellular transfection rate.  Some people's cells seem to pick up a monster dose and they are severely damaged.  Other people have no noticeable effect, and that is quite possibly because for whatever reason they don't have too many cells infected.

Hopefully also as good scientists ('white hats' so-to-speak) work on reverse engineering what these save-Mother-Gai eugenicists, profiteers, Luciferians, Kabbalahists, etc have done, it may be possible to re-activate the parts of the immune system that pharma needed to shut off in order to allow transfection and spike protein production.  Many good people are certainly working on it, though with limited funding and career difficulties.

Unfortunately, a cell which starts sprouting spike protein looks to the normal well functioning immune system like a cancer and it is dealt with with 'extreme prejudiced'.  Since this make the vaccine gene therapy less effective, the developers just turned off the normal immune system elements which fight cancer.  As could be expected by any thinking person, cancer rates have exploded since the jabs.  Of course they'll bury this by claiming that the cancers came from 'long covid' or some new HIV or some such.  And, of course, most people will believe anything the CDC and mainstream media say.  Oh well .

I'm not sure on which thread it was, but I've also mentioned how side effects are recorded, not only for vaccines, but also for any conditional medicine. Anyway, statistically, numerous people die on a weekly basis, some of which possibly got vaccinated or received a specific drug recently, statistically, there's a X chance of death, from a variety of causes, which have to be recorded regardless of their relationship with the vaccine/medicine.

That you don't know. The fact something happened to him after getting the booster (even if immediately after) doesn't mean it happened because of it. A lot of people are gonna die after getting any number of doses of this or any other vaccine, and a lot of people will die after not taking it. In fact, the one universal truth is that we're all going to die.
That's why one of science's golden rules is "Correlation Does Not Mean Causation".

Here's an example: Somebody died a few years ago from leptospirosis. Of course, an army of armchair scientists soon determined the person had drank a can of Coca-Cola before dying, So Coca-Cola HAD to be the cause, due to leptospira being found on rat urine. Of course, it took some time for somebody to realize leptospirosis has a 1 to 2 week onset time, so the person must have contracted the disease long before drinking the soda can. Even today, when you buy a soda can, there are people that will warn you to wash it before drinking from it, because you might get leptospirosis.

Frightening if you think about it. Got fooled once but not doing it over again. Just hoping it isn't as bad as we're thinking. A neighbor mentioned one of his coworkers got comatose after taking the booster. Not sure if it was a different brand as his "full dose" since apparently we was doing fine after those 2 shots. It's the booster that did him in.

Sirazimuth: I suggest you just ignore him. My life has become much easier since I don't have to read his drivel.
A few years ago, on another forum, another one of "his kind" started posting similar bullshit about climate change, signed by some "scientist" (who was supposed to be some bonafide expert) from a big university. A quick search showed the guy was indeed a member of said university, but he was an entomologist. Quite an "expert". A bit more reading revealed the guy had given his "expert advice" on things like dioxins, cigarettes, etc. Any time there was money to be had, he was willing to "have an opinion" on the subject.

Still pushing your Covid claptrap eh?
A simple search of those “real scientists” found in your siggy
shows they are all debunked or full of shit.
Just like yourself.

Tell-lie-vision is not science, corrupt politician is not science.
Some real scientist to be found in signature.

I'd say the argument against vaccines is not flawed, it's non-existent.

A while ago, I heard a phrase: "For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is enough."
People who argue against vaccines choose not to believe in evidence, nor in science, and instead believe blindly in whatever cockamamie "truth" suits their agenda.
You don't need to be a virologist to understand vaccines. You need to have a brain, and you need to use it.
There have been many diseases before covid-19 that have been eradicated (or are well on their way to be so) because of vaccine campaigns. Polio, smallpox, rubella, diphteria, tuberculosis, measles, tetanus, rabies, and a loooong list of others.
It could be understandable (to a point) if people were wary of vaccines in the beginning, when they were unproven, but now, it's just pathetic.

Whilst any assessment of the proportion of people with antibodies is always going to be an approximation, I'm skeptical of your 'best data'. I assume the standard of data-gathering and analysis in the US is at least as good as that here in the UK, and as far as I can see, ours is pretty good. Have a look at the links below from our Office for National Statistics, for example, and explain why this is all lies and misdirection.

ONS Methodologies
ONS Insights

And what about the excess death figures? Or are they all lies, too? Weird how the death rate (from any reason) increased so dramatically since early 2020, coinciding exactly with waves of the virus.

I wouldn't really call it a 'large experiment'.  More a re-set of how research and development is done.  Now we'll 'do it live' so to speak. _{Won't we Rick?}

As for the tracking, that's really not a problem because random sampling from a sufficiently large pool will give a very precise result.  Lord knows we now have a sufficiently large pool for a bunch of stuff including gene therapy subjects using a variety of techniques.

Now let's just say that this is just a large experiment of sorts. Wouldn't it be even harder to check the progress with this many of a test subject?

That's quite common with anything that's trending honestly, and the pandemic has been on the spotlight for the past 2 years now. You'll see it with pretty much anything, from Bitcoin when it's crashing, to vaccines, or anything which is a controversial subject.

For this specific reason, there are a few fact checkers that provide decent information and debunk such theories. However, it's still not that hard nor time consuming to conduct your own research.

Most publishing sites are solely interested in information that would help them rank their site; they don't care what they're writing. Even if they lie in their content, they nevertheless rank well on Google. I believe we should report such websites to cybercrime to take action against the perpetrators of such falsehoods. I think that these falsehoods have a significant negative influence on bitcoin's image and community and that we may lose a large number of new investors as a result. This must be put to an end as quickly as feasible.

What's outstanding with Covid-19 vaccines is that thousands of people signed up for the clinical trials (of each company individually). Such participation has never occurred before, which is one of the main reasons these vaccines were developed so quickly. With other studies, researchers struggled for years to find enough participants, but that wasn't the case with Covid, people got united, together, trusting science in order to develop a safe and efficient vaccine.

While we're now possibly headed towards the end of the pandemic, let's not forget how serious the first strains of the virus were and how many deaths we suffered in the first wave.

Keep your toxic death shot
 

If anything is above zero (in respect of medicines and vaccines), it is essential if they effectively fight against the disease. So please do not pay any attention to what others are saying. Just get vaccinated.

The background infection rate is probably the most critical piece of info in deciding on a rational policy, and it is never published even two years later.

The best data I have is that from not long after the 'two weeks to flatten the curve' in early 2020, the number of people who'd been exposed and developed antibodies in S. Cal was about 25%.  Most of them had no idea.  That is the basis for my statement that SARS-cov-2 is pretty much on par with any common cold.


I think there are probably a lot of people in my category who are familiar with the rather amazing technology that has been talked about, patented, etc and are wondering if perhaps some experiments with some of it were a part of the plandemic.  It's clear by definition that trying the mRNA cell re-programming technology out on the masses was exactly what happened, and it's a fair suspicion that various groups were granted permission to try out other things too.  Note that it is about as close as it's possible to get to a 'fact' that the different 'batches' from, say, Pfizer had vastly different outcomes for people who got one batch vs. another which is a pretty good indication that there were experiments of one sort or another going on.

That's quite a long way from 'knowing' that there are '5G masts' in the so-called vaccine.  It's simply a fairly rational question to ask...though it's not likely that and answer would be given without a fair bit of 'working over'.  Obviously the current FDA, CDC, etc are not going to ask, and not going to tell what they know.

Fully vaxxed myself, decided to take that risk but it seems it's not really that dire anymore. Hopefully at this point we've all gotten some sort of resistance from it. In my community everyone that has ever tested positive were asymptomatic and the infection was only caught because these people have routine testing for work.


I think the nanobots and gene editing claims were pretty ridiculous. I do worry about possible longterm side-effects. Worried when saw some articles about increasing rate of heart attacks in some places.

I wouldn't agree agree that arguments against covid vaccines is quite flawed. Yeah, some arguments is just stopid and not worth to pay attention, but some things makes sense. Like @ibminer said, we don't know  about long term effect of vaccine. Probably you won' die 15 minutes or week after taking vaccine, but you don't know what long term effects it will have for you. I'm not saying that vaccines is dangerous or something, but we just don't know it.
Boosters every 4-6 months. It looks like story without end. Tell me other vaccine which is effctive for so short.
Mandatory vaccination - sorry, but no way. I took two jabs, but I wouldn't want to live in country where vaccination is mandatory. Espeially when current vaccines isn't that effective against new covid variants like omicron (which isn't that dangerous itself). I don't like covid passports, but if it's in use, people should have choice. Like making tests in order to enter places where covid passport is required. Bt mandatory vaccination shouldn't even be considered IMHO
It's also ridiculous and sad that countries with big vaccination rates (80% and similar) made lockdowns, despite that they promised freedom for people. I have Netherlands or Belgium in my mind for example. At least it seems that most cuntries in EU ending most of restrictions, but I don't know how people can trust in their governments after it.

I don't really understand why so many people are against the vaccine.   Moreover, the ridiculous arguments they make against the vaccine are not acceptable.
When thousands of lives were being lost every day due to covid-19 and after living in captivity for almost two years, everyone was mentally broken, nothing but this antidote became a beacon of hope.

If it had not been for the vaccine, we would have been in lockdown for several more years.
The world would be destroyed!!

I decided to wait and evaluate when "the virus" became something that people were concerned with.  There are people out there who cry because of Dukes of Hazzard being on TV (spoiler alert: they got it banned), I damn sure am not going to lump my personal health decisions in with the fear of these types of people.  Once enough evidence came out showing that the virus was not deadly for those under 65 and hospitals were heavily financially incentivized to test fatal gunshot victims for covid with tests that have a high degree of false positives, it became clear this pandemic was never about a virus at all.  Sure, the flu kills people.  I am deeply sorry for anyone who has ever lost someone to the flu, in the last 2 years or the thousands prior.  Politicians weaponizing this as fear to test their level of control over their citizens while enriching themselves and their donors at the cost of future generations is despicable.  How many times are we going to ignore the theft of trillions because of a fear induced event?

Why flawed?
- New unproven technology - fact
- First released under emergency use - fact
- No long-term study - fact

Other than that, people that I know tested positive mostly survived, and only a few old people that got hospitalized. If the people around me died, and the disease was truly scary, like you could see it with your own eyes, I'd be run to get the shot before I press this "post" button. I still remember I was travelling to a remote area, and people there didn't even wear a mask. Like literally no trace of pandemic there and people were looking at me because I wore a mask. Perhaps "vaccine" is necessary if you live in a crowded urban area, but still, it must be voluntary, not mandatory. And now we know that the "vaccine" effect only lasts for 6 months, can still be tested positive, can still spread the virus. It becomes like a flu vaccine, which I believe people in my state won't bother to do it if not because of government censorship and tyranny.

Yes the criminals at WHO will find themself in court as well.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.58986490

For some reason, it doesn't surprise me that you're incapable of using a search engine. This might be useful: https://www.who.int/publications/m/item/draft-landscape-of-covid-19-candidate-vaccines
Or are the WHO part of the global conspiracy? You can't spell "Big Pharma Whores" without "WHO", amirite?  


Mind sharing the data we all like to see who produced the data.


Mind sharing the data we all like to see who produced the data.


Oh yeah, and Instagram.

Dying with covid is not dying from covid, a scam test does not tell you anything other than you active partake in a scam.
Mind sharing the data we all like to see who produced the data.
Huge number of people died because of the so called vaccine and a lot will die in the years to come with all the unknow toxins injected.
Modern science  is nothing but a corrupt pile of garbage, propagated by the tell-lie-vision

Nuremberg 2.0 started
https://www.instagram.com/p/CZm1UQDDCyX/?fbclid=IwAR0lFReEPI6em8AF8hGoO7m0mlLV6AcQonSp-zcHS_SXxm7dnhpWUodxcg0

Millions of people were dying, so the vaccines were developed with some urgency. There wasn't the luxury of waiting 30+ years to see if they are okay. But the vaccines have been through the full trials process, the data are publicly available, and they have been in use for over a year. Over 10 billion doses have been administered, and a huge number of lives have been saved. They are safe and effective, and their development is a huge triumph of modern science. I'm simply saying that in this context, saying "Yeah, they seem safe, but what if they aren't? Let's wait 30+ years to be sure" isn't the best option.



I spend a lot of my time in P&S refuting anti-vaxxer arguments that often come from bitchute, FB, or YouTube. This can range from carefully-curated misinformation based on selective evidence, to outright lies. I assumed, given your aversion to the data I present, that you fell into that category. If you don't, then apologies, I'm guilty of making a lazy assumption.
And I'm not denying that governments can be involved in secret agreements etc, of course they can be. But you are contending that 'my data', which usually comes from ourworldindata, is all corrupt and flawed. Please review the data sources page, and let me know if you do genuinely believe that all of these countries are working together in a secret conspiracy that somehow the general public knows nothing about.

This is not a traditional vaccine, and requires more long-term testing.. just judging it by the same protocols/standards of a traditional vaccine isn’t gonna do it for me.

In addition, it seems like several changes have happened to this 'technology' over the decade leading up to this, which should require new trials and further testing... but really, even 10 years isn't enough studies and research for me to ever want a mandate on a large population of people.. or even deem something like this 'safe' for the long-term.

On top of this, each manufacturer seems to have their own concoction of ingredients (which feels like experiments), with varying side effects. If you want to mandate a new "technology" of creating and delivering vaccines, which interacts with the human body in a new'ish way, then you better damn sure hope to have more wide-spread long term testing than what I have seen out there.

Even if you do *not* mandate it, still those people accepting it should understand they are in a large-scale trial/experiment. Calling it ‘safe’ in the long term, at this point, is not something I cannot really do for myself. Again, there could be an age/risk factor/etc that you might take this risk... but I can't imagine why anyone would deem this safe for younger kids.

I haven't seen any long nor short term studies/trials with kids, and minimal research done.. so it seems a bit crazy to me, but again, everyone has their own individual risk-benefit analysis they should do.. but mandates are completely out of the question, on any age group, IMO.

Aren't you assuming a future severe sickness or death was prevented, and/or symptoms reduced, from a prior vaccination in an individual?.. and then you 'prove' this assumption using the [flawed] data of unvaccinated people.

Using half-baked data to analyze future trends seems silly to me. At the end of the day, there is not enough mRNA vaccine research nor studies to cause me to feel "safe", and I can say that without a crystal ball. We’ve had the time to develop a traditional vaccine, I'd prefer they had went that route, but it may be too late.

I'm not sure what the random guy on youtube/bitchute reference is, as I didn't post anyone. I have minimal familiarity with bitchute, but there can be good sources on YouTube if you verify the content and who is saying it.

The only reference I had posted, which you seemed to have skipped over, was a long list of other products (even outdated), that big pharma has had 'approved', which have all been pulled from the market after staying for XX number of years, sometimes 30+, which all ended up doing damage to people, many of them including death. Should I bring up opioids?.. forgive me for not blindly running out to get 3 shots from the guys that run this industry.

As for conspiracies involving governments, if you are naive enough to believe governments do not conspire, then there is probably not much I could do to dissuade you either.

U can't change anything but rather comply with the prevention protocols which can help protect one from the virus that its so called existence is not yet accepted but most ppl and its vaccine holds alot of hesitancy.

The damage done from the so called covid vaccienes is so great that all vaccines a done with, only a matter of time.
This certified scam will sick the whole industrie.

The covid injections are not vaccines,the are just a course of pharma products with limited effectiveness.
The vaccines are a great way to prevent some infections,but are dangerous  when you are already infected.
The damage done to the reputation of true vaccines is unforgivable.

One cause of vaccine hesitancy is the inequality within* society that has been exacerbated by successive governments over the last few decades. More and more people feel disenfranchised, cast adrift, that the government is not interested in giving them the opportunities they need to succeed. People are trapped in low-wage jobs with no hope of escape, forced to watch as the richer parts of society pull ever farther away from them. People are divested of power and dignity, with no means of fighting back, because there is a widespread political consensus, and what differences do exist between parties are dwarfed by their similarities. It doesn't matter who these people vote for, they will never be the priority.

So if the government demands that everyone takes the vaccine, I think it's no real surprise if people grab hold of their last shred of dignity, their last shred of real autonomy and say "no, f- you". It is no coincidence that vaccine hesitancy is so much higher in poorer areas, and amongst left-behind groups.

Not saying this is the case with your aunt, or with anyone on this forum, other people have other reasons. But this is certainly one reason. If you feel that the government is playing you for a fool, and then someone on Facebook says "don't take the vaccine, the government is playing you for a fool"... then you will be more susceptible to their message, irrespective of its truth.

A good way to reduce vaccine hesitancy in the longer-term would be to give everyone a fairer chance in life. In the short-term, as a consequence of government behaviour, we have the question of (effectively) enforced vaccination... which would reduce the danger from the virus, but would amplify social division.

And of course people should take the vaccine, it may save their lives, and those of their friends and relatives, and help society as a whole. It's understandable why they won't, and this is quite an indictment of society.


* Within a society, not between societies, because a low income person in the US will see themselves as poor (relative to others in the US), not rich (relative to a billion people in Africa).

We all know that the risk of Covid outweighs the effect of the vaccine, but it should not be made compulsory. People are now scared to take the vaccine because they feel it will rewrite their DNA or make them semi-robots. The should not coerced to be vaccinated because they would blame the vaccine for any illness they face in future.

We have seen many false campaign against the vaccine which have really misinformed the people. Even my aunt furnished us with many videos and write ups that claimed that the vaccine was the mark of the beast. She gave us enough lectures and even link the vaccine to Bible prophecies.

Just last week she apologized and informed us that she had deceived us that the vaccine was not the mark of the beast.

I believe with time people would gradually shelve all this misconceptions and accept the vaccine voluntarily.

How could it show future case numbers and deaths? Unless you're talking about predictive modelling, which is something else entirely.
The data that I have shared, and that others have shared, are not only 'current', but also include trends over time.


The vaccines have all been through the usual trials, and the data for these are readily available. The vaccines have also been used by a huge number of people over the last year and a bit, and the picture there is very clear, too. Over the last year, the data show perfectly clearly that you are less likely to die from Covid if you've been vaccinated.
Your argument of 'we don't know what will happen in the future' seems a bit silly; you could use it against anything. If you want to understand what is likely to happen in the future, then do your own predictive modelling. You might want to start by extrapolating from existing trends.


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Have you looked at the sources of the data I present? If you are suggesting that there is a vast conspiracy involving governments, universities and professional bodies from pretty much every country in the world, but some random guy on youtube or facebook (or more often bitchute) is the only reputable source... then there's not much I can do to dissuade you.


I wouldn't trust the magic potions, when there are safe and effective vaccines available.

IMO they should never become mandatory and if they are I will protest against it not because I hate the idea of being vaccinated, but because I hate the idea of other people forcing me to undergo medical treatment of any kind. It should always be a person's choice and nobody should be treated against their will.
I feel like vaccines have more positive than negative effects, but they are not without any risks and it should be up to each of us to decide what's best. I have a rebellious nature and the more they push me, the more I resist.


Even worse, they're being legally robbed of their savings. In Austria there's a huge fine for those who don't undergo the treatment. I've read that it can be even 7k EUR, which is nuts. It's basically a way for the government to steal from people. You either do what they say or they'll keep fining you until you end up on homeless or leave the country.

We do know about COVID. The world was introduced to SARS-CoV-1 back in 2003, and SARS-CoV-2 is 90 percent homologous to the original virus.

And these viruses act similar to most other viruses in history, the structure is generally the same, the replication mechanism, and the illness pathophysiology is the same. We know that once you get infected, you remain immune from reinfection, unless there's infection from a distant strain that is unrecognized by your adaptive immune system.

The vaccines were approved after a 6 month trial, boosters were approved with even less data. Yet the recommendation is that all those above 5 years of age get vaccinated, and all those about their mid teens get boosted. There is no data for any of this stuff, and their blanket recommendations are being shoved down the throats of law abiding citizens who are expected to use these therapeutics when they might not need it. If they refuse, in some countries they are treated as second class citizens, unable to enjoy basic liberties.

Someone at a high risk category, say 60 years old, obese, would be better off with the vaccine and boosters given their health profile. The risk of severe illness from COVID clearly outweigh the risk of adverse vaccine effects, or any unknown long term effects. But change the health profile to someone, say, 14 years old and healthy. The chance of someone of this demographic having a serious COVID illness is virtually zero, therefore you're taking a gamble forcing them to get vaccinated.

A final note -- some of the side effects of the vaccine are fairly harsh, though people eventually get over them.

It was common thinking that the side effects originated from the spike proteins that were produced by the mRNA based vaccines. Turns out, the side effects might be caused by the lipid nanoparticles that encapsulate the mRNA (used as a delivery vehicle to reach the target area).

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2589004221014504

It's only now, over a year later, that we are having these conversations. There's a lot still unknown about the vaccines, which is why it's best reserved for those who need it and are at high risk of COVID.

Data?  The data you all refer to only shows the current picture, nothing long-term, and nothing in the future. Medical scientists have repeatedly pushed out things that, in the short term, seem safe based on their "data"... only to discover years later *new data* shows it does various bad things to your body, including death.

Here are some.
Do you see some of the reasons for pulling these things off the market, sometimes 20-30+ years later after approval, and I'm sure plenty of "data".

Not to mention your 'data', from the first point of data collection, is flawed in political/financial corruption & apparent human error, all the way up the local, state, & federal hierarchy.. and then it's further spun by the media and politicians. The same politicians who typically have some form of political/financial pressure in the hierarchical collection and 'reporting' of the data to begin with.

Personally, I'm not willing to put that risk on me, and especially my children. Don't get me wrong, I don't want COVID, and there are simple things we all can do to slow and stop the spread, but we all seem to feel the need to rely on a magic potion, take off our masks, and jump in the COVID pool. Good luck with all them mutations and.. "boosters".. or should we accurately call them experiments?

People who know that there are still ways to get at data and info which corp/gov censors might be running across other information.  Such as this:

  Atheletes vaxx adverse reactions or dying-Volume 3
  https://www.bitchute.com/video/qIixgz5UbsyF/

Yeah, yeah, if you look at 'the data' and 'the science' (on the 'safe' media) then you will 'know' that these things are perfectly normal and they happen all the time.  Or that it's all because of the effects of 'covid-19'...even though it didn't seem to be happening in 2020 what the plandemic was 'raging' and the de-pop shots were not rolled out yet.

Sorry, people are not that stupid.  More and more they can figure out what they are seeing.  No more chumps lining up to get the de-pop shot.  The chumps who did got it under EUA have only themselves to fall back on for help as the get sick and die on their march out of the gene pool.

People who are uncertain about taking the vaccine should look at the data. Vaccines have been available for over a year, now. The protection they confer against both severe disease and also any level of infection is quite clear. Once you look at and understand the data, then the decision should be obvious.

However many people are already convinced, and have been since the start, that the vaccines are unsafe and full of nanobots or miniaturised 5G masts or a tiny robot Bill Gates who will rewrite their DNA, or other such nonsense. These people will disregard all data as their decision has already been reached.

I suppose there is a third set of people who are in poor health, with pre-existing conditions, for whom even a safe vaccine could be dangerous. These people should take the advice of professionals on a case-by-case basis.

That's right, it all depends on the government in their respective countries.
Like in my country, there are still some people contra with giving vaccine and who refuse to be vaccinated, because they are lazy and tired of injecting vaccines up to 2 or 3 times. For this reason, the goverment makes desicion such as, entering into the public environment, such as markets, malls or cinemas, must have a vaccine certificate for at least the first dose.
And then the community wants to participate in carrying out government programs, in which all people are required to vaccinate.
Until today the government in my country is very effective.

I can see several post from people that do not want to get a vaccine and feel strongly against making these mandatory. Firstly, I do respect people who opt not to get vaccinated and I even know 1 very experienced doctor with access to excellent research sources that decided not to get the jabs.

The vaccines are clearly not tested to the standard that other vaccines require to be admitted in the markets. I understand that this means that their safety may not be sufficiently tested and may cause secondary issues. However, the virus and variants of COVID are also quite new and their effects also quite unknown. The only certain thing is that earlier variants were very aggressive on the lower respiratory system.

So, would you change the uncertainty about the vaccine being unsafe for the uncertainty about the virus being equally unknown and certainly unsafe short term??