Topic: Asicminer News 15-30% of Network (Read 3225 times)

Let's talk with numbers out of the latest financial statement, not with historical terms with one single exchange rate.

Let's talk with numbers out of the latest financial statement, not with historical terms with one single exchange rate.

Update

Financials
Balance sheet in May 27, 2014:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12wJMe3A6Ie8ris86m2OJ_1vucurdcVtM3fDkNCjKIRI/edit?usp=sharing

Cash flow from Feb 28, 2014 to May 27, 2014:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1phCAhMR-9_AaRXKICfN_M7gw4rI1hsOtRD_6PElmLOM/edit?usp=sharing

Comments about Recent News & Concerns
Policy: The bank deposits and third-party payment systems for Bitcoin exchanges in China are all closed. Workarounds exist (like buying physical cards with deposit code) but the real trading volume is severely affected.

Conversion: We have OTC conversion channels to trade USD for Bitcoins in Hong Kong.

In historical terms
Total Received   $ 81,279,481.63 USD Using Blockchain at that conversion rate

81,279,481.63/400,000 Shares = $203.198704085/Share USD
$203.198704085/Share USD * 236,038 Shares = $47,962,615.71

But that is a historical gross income I am not sure how much remains after all their development costs /Conversion rates

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/the-points-of-asicminer-official-mine-machines-launch-conference-721699

here are some lines of this meeting.

The main purpose of this meeting is to announce to sell our new products: AM GEN3 official hardwares ,with the most competitive price.

In addition I would like to emphasize that:

*Since it was not a shareholder meeting, FC didnt share any new informations relating to AM stocks/future plans of GEN4 or so. Shareholders please keep following the official thread at bitcointalk.

*We will be more active in future on various offline activities , we will participate and support more international  meetings at Hongkong/EU/USA to promote our products positively.

The points of ASICMiner official Mine machine's  launch conference
The launch conference's topical subject：Millions of Terabyte Hashrate  Times
 The opportunities and challenges of Bitcoin industry
ASICMiner invite some guests to participate in the launch conference. Here is a list of speakers.
1.The speaker, Gang Wu . The subject,  The prospect of bitcoins wallet
2.The speaker, JinHai Luo. The subject,  Multi signature applicate in the bitcoin industry
3.The speaker, LinKe Yang.The subject, Under the Millions of Terabyte Hashrate  Times, BTCC（Bitcoin China） and bitcoin industry
4.The speaker, Friedcat. The subject, Millions of Terabyte Hashrate  Times.
5.The speaker, ShiLiang Huang. The subject,  Introduction ASICMiner sales team and the offical Mine machine situation.
6.Q&A
7.The speaker, Yuan Zhong. The subject,  Find the middle forces under the Millions of Terabyte Hashrate  Times.
7.The speaker, Chang Liu. The subject, Introduction The Bitcoiner venture fund.
8.The speaker, GuoPan Li. The subject,  Bitcoin environmental analysis.

The points of Friedcat's subject.
1.How the miners make to profit under the hashrate growth conditions.
2.Introduce the chip AM BE200
3.Introduce the chip AM BE300
4.Introduce the chip AM BE（X）
5.Seek cooperation with others, include join in mining cooperation, trade hashrate
6.Hiring.

The points of  Introduction ASICMiner sales team and the offical Mine machine situation.
1.The sales plan——Direct marketing (MOQ>10)and agency.
2.The sales policy——In stock, No presale, The first payment and then shipped.
3.How to become an agent——first, You apply, then we examine, third, siging the contract, last, cooperation.
4.The warranty principle——72 hours can change. 90 days' warrenty. 180 days' original cost of repair. Big orders provide hashrate redundancy.
5.Online marketing——official website, Weibo, Twitter, official's Bitcointalk post.
6.The model mine farm——in ShenZhen JiangSu and BeiJing.
7.Starting price——RMB3XXX， hashrate>1T.
8. Upcoming.

Hello everyone,

Our stock all sold out for this week. There will be another batch come on Friday.  

Introduction
ASICMINER is a virtual identity totally held by investors of the Bitfountain company. The Bitfountain company's business includes mining with self-built ASIC devices, as well as the sales of them. Currently ASICMINER shareholders holds 163,962 shares, while Bitfountain shareholders holds 236,038 shares. ASICMINER shares have the privilege of getting all net profits till 0.1BTC/share from the day when dividends began to be paid. They also have the exemption of dilution, which means that each ASICMINER share always equals to 1/400,000 of the total profits and voting power of the summed value from both ASICMINER and Bitfountain.

FC just stated in the same self mining announcement that sales aren't so great. AM sold some chips but at a very low profit so they can get mining revenues from the franchise operations. Also don't forget that AM needs money for gen4 development.

At 0.5$/GH/s that 32PH is equal to 16M$ needed for deployment only. Do you think AM gathered 16M$ from chip sales? Personally I don't think so and considering that they need ~3M$-5M$ for gen4 the money just don't seem enough for all the plans. Feel free to correct me, but with numbers and reasons, not with personal attacks.

Let's say it's $0.5/GH/s as you said before. AM surely sold some more chips since financial report was published. Was it enough to deploy all 32PH/s? Maybe. Maybe not. Friedcat says it was enough. I am gonna trust him for now, he delivered few times before

We are back to where we started. 20% out of 160PH=32PH. Unless AM wins the lottery they will not deploy that amount of hashpower this year.

First of all there is nothing being delayed. Why spread lies? My July SP30 was shipped by SP-Tech on 30 July. As for all the August orders since it's just 3rd August I don't see how can they be delayed. Nobody complained about any delay so stop spreading lies.

I am not stressed at all about FC. I am just stating my opinion. Actually I'm quite relaxed about the announcement because I know that AM doesn't have 30M$ for their big deployment so there is nothing to worry about.

Please tell me what do you think that is the deployment cost per Gh for AM excluding chips that are already paid.

well at least they didnt pre-odered underperforming & overconsuming delayed group buys from SPT.  

(now i get it why you are so stressed about how or when FC will make some big move - ROI is a bitch ^^)

We are back to where we started. 20% out of 160PH=32PH. Unless AM wins the lottery they will not deploy that amount of hashpower this year.

Well from the Salon looks like I can adjust it to 15 to 20% for the Second Half of 2014

For those of you who do not frequent the main ASIC MINER thread, I will post a small update from the salon (conference) that was recently held by ASIC MINER where Fried Cat revealed his identity to the public for the first time:

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So to summarize what has been discussed so far from the conference:


- ASIC MINER has a 1T Miner that will be available for sale at some point next week
- The goal for the second half of 2014 is to achieve 15-20% of the Bitcoin network
- The company hopes to resume dividends in the month of August
- Self-mining operation will include BE200 and BE300 series
- In terms of competition, the company is aiming to squeeze many of them into the negative profit territory
- A focus on information dissemination from the sales team going forward (better public relations)



** This could be subject to change or interpretation as more information from the conference flows in. Assuming the majority of the above is accurate I would say this salon was a success for the company and it's shareholders. I would like to hear more about the future of Gen4 that was discussed regarding the age of Exahash. Seems there is a lot of good news for current shareholders (Gen3) in here.
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What's your personal view on the costs per GH needed for AM self mining deployment?

I have no time for shills or past shills. you made your bed by acting the way you did, now lay in it. jog on back to your spondoolie masters.....

i did look at them dearly ^^

BE200 Test not like anyone looks at these things
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhOHJ96wBYg

I have no time for shills or past shills. you made your bed by acting the way you did, now lay in it. jog on back to your spondoolie masters.....

the money for setup costs(chips are payed for) comes from the chip sales and HW sales, same as every other asic manufacturer that sells hardware and setups a large mine..... sell enough your own is cheap/free, that is the aim of the resale game after all is it not?

Oh it was not a personal attack, i was just being realistic based on the way you act and portray yourself in your precious spondoolies competitors forum threads. call it an observational statement if you would like, not an attack.

edit: friedcat is busy preparing for a big meeting in a few days time, he sadly probably has very little time to communicate with the forums at the moment and i am sure much will be announced then..... i wish spoondoolies-tech would spend less time hanging out on the forums gossiping about their competitors and more time meeting their production/power specs. Now run along and sell some more spondoolies magic internet money printing machines ....

I'm trying to be realistic and not a dreamer like people holding shares.  Feel free to correct me with numbers, not personal attacks.

How much money do you think are needed to deploy the 60PH while having only the chips in hand. What are the costs per GH needed for this deployment? I already said that with a conservative 0.5$/GH (chips excluded) they need 30M$. They don't have that kind of money right now and money don't grow in trees.


Well please go and take a look at their last financial report then. It should take you a maximum of 15 mins to find it and read it. Having 1/3 of the network last year means absolutely nothing right now and past performance doesn't mean that they will get 1/3 of the network this or next year. It's was much much easier to own 1/3 of the network last year when the total hashrate was low, but it's much harder now with the total network so big.

friedcat said that they are self-mining since mid July. Why doesn't he post the live hashing speed?

why so negative all the time? Do you own shares in AM?
Or is it just the way spoondoolies, worst name ever, have asked you to troll, shill and spam?

I haven't been monitoring AM's financial status, but are you saying that AM is in dire financial straights and has to try to make salvage attempt with their chips?  The company that was 1/3 of the network last year at this time?

Replying here since this is a dedicated thread.


You should read again their last financial statement. They don't have that much money lying around and neither the facilities. Also it doesn't make any sense to do it right now when they could've started 3 months ago. They could mine with at least 20% of their chips and wait for their 80% to get sold. After 2 months of low sales they could bump the mine to 40% of the chips and still have 60% for sale. Doing it right now seems like a desperate attempt to salvage something out of them.

I am aware of their immersion cooling setup, but that only has 500kW. For 60PH they need 60MW! Numbers don't lie.

As for the DataTank Containers well as previously said I don't think that they have the money in order to house 60PH. Not even for 30PH. DataTanks are damn expensive to build/deploy and AM is out of money.

Friedcat has immersion cooling I would say they have one of the best chicken sheds you can get.
How hard would it be to put a new board in based on this video when they come online.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZavKweMrP4

Operational October 2013.

DataTank Container Data Center available in Q2 2014. Immersion-2 is an immersion cooling platform for 3M™ Novec™ Engineered Fluids such as Novec 7000 and Novec 649. By utilizing passive 2-phase immersion cooling in an open bath design, customers benefit from massively reduced cooling energy bill, lower acquisition costs, space savings, and a truly universal and durable system.

I know, but owning 30% of a small network is easy. Doing it right now seems a much harder job. They will need a lot of chicken sheds for that and they don't come for free. If AM claims they are self-mining since July they should post the mining address so that everyone can see their speed, but that won't happen very soon because they are just too small. If they owned at least 20 PH right now they would've bragged about it in order to boost the shares price.

Hardware and Currencies
Due to our past experience with ASICMiner, we are committed to using ASICMiner hardware for our own capacity, until we see a reason not to. DataTank systems are compatible with any hardware, including with chips from Spondoolies Tech, InnoSilicon, Hashra, HashFast, GridSeed, Cointerra, Butterfly Labs, Bitfury, Alcheminer, Avalon, ASICminer and more. Bitcoin, Scrypt, any other hardware, including GPU computers.
We are in direct contact with several of these manufacturers to get their hardware ready for immersion.

Update
We hope to regain the average hashrate percentage similar to 2013 with this generation of chips.

AM owned 30% of the network with a large portion of their hashrate running out of what looked like a chicken shed...... it was mining at it's best.

That's only the chips, but AM needs money for the rest of the components in order to start hashing. Also having cheap electricity available and high power capacity doesn't mean anything. It still takes some money to build a functional DC (need wiring, cabinets, cooling etc).

jimmothy how much $/GH do you think AM needs to start hashing considering they only have the chips right now?

Last I checked they had 60PH which was completely paid for.

as my late father in law used to say "we shall see what we shall see"

I would welcome the competition since i believe it will drive up the price of BTC.

The mining community need coins to move up in price not drift about in the 560-660 usd range.

You should read again their last financial statement.

We had gain access of cheap electricity and high power capacity.

However, we had not stopped our work on designing our own products and finding proper farms after our chips passed the tests.

We are talking about Asicminer though it doesn't seem far out of their capacity to have that much money lying around for investment and they have the facilities and everything set up from their Gen 1.
Might take some time to convert the chips on hands to miners though but its direct to farm so that's a plus.

They did have quite the haul from 2013 mining and we do have their financial documents from a few months ago so its a plausible deceleration.
Worse bets could be taken
I'm not sure where you get the 30 million figure from though since Gen 1 was made with much less if I recall correctly.
Anyways worth keeping a watch on this for now.

Update

1. Due to the relatively lower interest from individual miners as well as OEM producers, the self mining has re-started from middle of July. We had gain access of cheap electricity and high power capacity. We hope to regain the average hashrate percentage similar to 2013 with this generation of chips.

2. The price rockminer gets is not the sales price. It's the premium of franchising. We gain the part of profits after the devices begin to generate revenue like the franchising of devices. The sales price of chips stay a relatively high margin because our option of building our own devices and sell/deploy is always wide open.

3. We announce the sales of our own devices. We would arrange an offline meeting in Shenzhen first to share more information. We will post the English version of it on the meetup sub-board.

Upcoming interview with Friedcat:
http://www.bitell.com/t/2026