the risk as always in bitcoin is getting your principal back.
These shares will tank in bitcoin terms at some point way before 5 years is up. Don't wait.
Topic: ASICMiner Shares and Dividends (Read 4954 times)
But this is just some guy who promises to pay you. It's unregulated and you have no idea how much he's actually paying out of the profit isn't it? Also if he just disappears tomorrow..
I don't see how this can be viewed as any kind of long term investment with a 5 yr time horizon other than a short term cash grab before it disappears. I mean the counterparty risk is so significant it can't even be quantified
I don't see how this can be viewed as any kind of long term investment with a 5 yr time horizon other than a short term cash grab before it disappears. I mean the counterparty risk is so significant it can't even be quantified
Actually "real life stocks" is quite an inappropriate way to refer to common fiat-purchased and regulated stocks as we know them. Is there a commonly used name to call those things in contrast to these company shares bought and sold with Bitcoin?
sorry i am confused can someone help. At those dividend rates and 2btc per 1 share, we are looking at 2 /0.00696732 / 4 = ~72 month to make back the initial investment and this assuming the difficulty remains the same which we know is not true as those asic boxes start to go online.
So what am i missing here? why are so many people paying 2-3btc for 1 share of asic miner?
There's good reason to believe the dividend payouts are going to be rather steady for a few more years. If you review ASICMINER operations closely you would likely agree, so I won't reiterate that here.So what am i missing here? why are so many people paying 2-3btc for 1 share of asic miner?
A stock that pays for itself in a few years isn't bad. There are not-so-low risk government bonds that give you around 10% interest after 10 years. Then real life stocks with around 5% dividend yield are already considered quite good. Warren Buffett's favorite Coca-Cola seems to have around 2.5% this time of the year. For that reason I'd think many would consider ASICMINER shares still undervalued.
Of course there is the fundamental question whether real stocks are just even more messed up than ASICMINER shares. To that I only have an opinion, not an answer.
sorry i am confused can someone help. At those dividend rates and 2btc per 1 share, we are looking at 2 /0.00696732 / 4 = ~72 month to make back the initial investment and this assuming the difficulty remains the same which we know is not true as those asic boxes start to go online.
So what am i missing here? why are so many people paying 2-3btc for 1 share of asic miner?
So what am i missing here? why are so many people paying 2-3btc for 1 share of asic miner?
You're not missing anything, various scamsters (like Chaang-Noi) are missing this.
also where the hell else can you get something that pays 20%+ a year in returns AND where you own a share in the company.
AND be holding it in a currency which has a good chance to appreciate AND receive dividends in that currency.
which, because of both the AM and BTC multipliers, means that $6000 invested back in just last august equals something like $1,300,000 right now. On a company that hasn't received a single mention in Forbes or Techcrunch yet.
So yea, people are bullish.
also where the hell else can you get something that pays 20%+ a year in returns AND where you own a share in the company.
AND be holding it in a currency which has a good chance to appreciate AND receive dividends in that currency.
AFAIK there is no posting of what dividends are going to be... we only know when they arrive.
Hope this helps. 03/27 and 04/03 were due to increased costs for something or other (can't remember anymore).
IPO dividends were higher, since there was something in it along the lines of "100% of profits goes to share holders excluding BitFoundation shares (230k shares)".
Dividends thus far:
Div Pay Dates Div/Share
02/29 (IPO) 0.023545
03/06 (IPO) 0.019163
03/13 (IPO) 0.023786
03/20 (IPO) 0.025998
03/24 (IPO) 0.007508
03/27 0.003775
04/03 0.002556
04/10 0.006956
And Today:
04/17 0.00696732
Div Pay Dates Div/Share
02/29 (IPO) 0.023545
03/06 (IPO) 0.019163
03/13 (IPO) 0.023786
03/20 (IPO) 0.025998
03/24 (IPO) 0.007508
03/27 0.003775
04/03 0.002556
04/10 0.006956
And Today:
04/17 0.00696732
Hope this helps. 03/27 and 04/03 were due to increased costs for something or other (can't remember anymore).
IPO dividends were higher, since there was something in it along the lines of "100% of profits goes to share holders excluding BitFoundation shares (230k shares)".
sorry i am confused can someone help. At those dividend rates and 2btc per 1 share, we are looking at 2 /0.00696732 / 4 = ~72 month to make back the initial investment and this assuming the difficulty remains the same which we know is not true as those asic boxes start to go online.
So what am i missing here? why are so many people paying 2-3btc for 1 share of asic miner?
equipment sales (could be bigger than mining revenue). transaction fees rising. can still almost double their network % without issue. and then whatever they do next.
also where the hell else can you get something that pays 20%+ a year in returns AND where you own a share in the company.
That's why people think its very underpriced right now.
AFAIK there is no posting of what dividends are going to be... we only know when they arrive.
Hope this helps. 03/27 and 04/03 were due to increased costs for something or other (can't remember anymore).
IPO dividends were higher, since there was something in it along the lines of "100% of profits goes to share holders excluding BitFoundation shares (230k shares)".
Dividends thus far:
Div Pay Dates Div/Share
02/29 (IPO) 0.023545
03/06 (IPO) 0.019163
03/13 (IPO) 0.023786
03/20 (IPO) 0.025998
03/24 (IPO) 0.007508
03/27 0.003775
04/03 0.002556
04/10 0.006956
And Today:
04/17 0.00696732
Div Pay Dates Div/Share
02/29 (IPO) 0.023545
03/06 (IPO) 0.019163
03/13 (IPO) 0.023786
03/20 (IPO) 0.025998
03/24 (IPO) 0.007508
03/27 0.003775
04/03 0.002556
04/10 0.006956
And Today:
04/17 0.00696732
Hope this helps. 03/27 and 04/03 were due to increased costs for something or other (can't remember anymore).
IPO dividends were higher, since there was something in it along the lines of "100% of profits goes to share holders excluding BitFoundation shares (230k shares)".
sorry i am confused can someone help. At those dividend rates and 2btc per 1 share, we are looking at 2 /0.00696732 / 4 = ~72 month to make back the initial investment and this assuming the difficulty remains the same which we know is not true as those asic boxes start to go online.
So what am i missing here? why are so many people paying 2-3btc for 1 share of asic miner?
factor in the exchange rates.. which noone knows.
if bitcoins are worth 10 less or 10 times more will have big effect
if bitcoins are worth 10 less or 10 times more will have big effect
I believe that a significant proportion of future hashing power hardware has already been paid for out of retained earnings.
Purchased, yes. It's not going to power, host, or maintain itself, though.
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Thanks for the info. I was running some calculations on the ipo numbers but these current numbers are very different.
Also keep in mind that as difficulty increases, so do the expenses, but income from mining does not increase. If, for example, AM runs 10% of total network hashing power on average, the income is fixed at ~10.8K BTC per month, but to keep up with this pace, they need to deploy more and more ASICs which increases cost, so profit goes down.
.b
I believe that a significant proportion of future hashing power hardware has already been paid for out of retained earnings.
Thanks for the info. I was running some calculations on the ipo numbers but these current numbers are very different.
Also keep in mind that as difficulty increases, so do the expenses, but income from mining does not increase. If, for example, AM runs 10% of total network hashing power on average, the income is fixed at ~10.8K BTC per month, but to keep up with this pace, they need to deploy more and more ASICs which increases cost, so profit goes down.
.b
Thanks for the info. I was running some calculations on the ipo numbers but these current numbers are very different.
AFAIK there is no posting of what dividends are going to be... we only know when they arrive.
Hope this helps. 03/27 and 04/03 were due to increased costs for something or other (can't remember anymore).
IPO dividends were higher, since there was something in it along the lines of "100% of profits goes to share holders excluding BitFoundation shares (230k shares)".
Dividends thus far:
Div Pay Dates Div/Share
02/29 (IPO) 0.023545
03/06 (IPO) 0.019163
03/13 (IPO) 0.023786
03/20 (IPO) 0.025998
03/24 (IPO) 0.007508
03/27 0.003775
04/03 0.002556
04/10 0.006956
And Today:
04/17 0.00696732
Div Pay Dates Div/Share
02/29 (IPO) 0.023545
03/06 (IPO) 0.019163
03/13 (IPO) 0.023786
03/20 (IPO) 0.025998
03/24 (IPO) 0.007508
03/27 0.003775
04/03 0.002556
04/10 0.006956
And Today:
04/17 0.00696732
Hope this helps. 03/27 and 04/03 were due to increased costs for something or other (can't remember anymore).
IPO dividends were higher, since there was something in it along the lines of "100% of profits goes to share holders excluding BitFoundation shares (230k shares)".
Where can we see what the current dividend is? Please don't tell me somewhere in here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/asicminer-entering-the-future-of-asic-mining-by-inventing-it-99497
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/asicminer-entering-the-future-of-asic-mining-by-inventing-it-99497
Hmmm, is there any possibility of shares being split?
Some kind of trading platform would be required before that happens.
Hmmm, is there any possibility of shares being split?
But still paid on a weekly basis correct? I understand shares are meant to be investing in the company but just trying to gage potential value of ASICMiner shares from mid to long term.
Thanks for any and all insightful replies.
Yes, the dividends are weekly. Thanks for any and all insightful replies.
How many shares do Bitfountain hold? I thought it was only 50%?
400k shares were issued.
Original plan was for 200k to go to Bitfountain and other 200k to be sold on GLBSE. But BTC rose vs USD so there was no need to sell 200k to raise the needed capital - so only 160k or so ended up being sold.
It makes no difference to dividends - as each share is entitled to 1/400,000th of profits, regardless of how many shares are sold (that's how the contract was written). That acted as protection for investors - if extra capital had been needed to be raised then original investors' portion of profit would have been protected, with the equity given away for new shares taken from Bitfountain. As it happens, it's ended up the other way round - and, of course, we now have a few greedy people who when they see the risk has gone would like the contract rewritten so they get 1/360,000th of profit instead of 1/400,000th.
The situation on voting is less clear - there I'd expect it's simply 1 share, 1 vote.
But still paid on a weekly basis correct? I understand shares are meant to be investing in the company but just trying to gage potential value of ASICMiner shares from mid to long term.
Thanks for any and all insightful replies.
Yes, the dividends are weekly. Thanks for any and all insightful replies.
How many shares do Bitfountain hold? I thought it was only 50%?
We're getting pretty close to the point at which Bitfunder shares will begin to receive dividends. About 43% of the original IPO has been paid back so far.
But still paid on a weekly basis correct? I understand shares are meant to be investing in the company but just trying to gage potential value of ASICMiner shares from mid to long term.
Thanks for any and all insightful replies.
Thanks for any and all insightful replies.
That's not too bad then it can maintain 0.01/share. Also, dividends will only include what they are able to mine correct? No portion of hardware sales or any other ventures they may start on?
Dividend will drop to under half - as there's more shares owned by Bitfountain that sold to public.
Also some of profits will be retained to pay for future development, more mining gear etc.
Dividends DO include non-ming profits - such as shares of hardware they sell and income from any next-generation ASICs they develop.
That's not too bad then it can maintain 0.01/share. Also, dividends will only include what they are able to mine correct? No portion of hardware sales or any other ventures they may start on?
Getting our next round of dividends is really nice, especially with about a 0.02 BTC return per share. However the ASICMiner announcement is to fulfill the initial price of 0.1 BTC/share with dividends, then they will use a portion to focus on bigger and better things.
My question is what is a realistic weekly dividend after the initial 0.1 BTC share price is completed? 0.01? 0.05?
Thanks!
My question is what is a realistic weekly dividend after the initial 0.1 BTC share price is completed? 0.01? 0.05?
Thanks!
It seems that it will be cut in half because they will start paying dividends to bitfountain shares.
Getting our next round of dividends is really nice, especially with about a 0.02 BTC return per share. However the ASICMiner announcement is to fulfill the initial price of 0.1 BTC/share with dividends, then they will use a portion to focus on bigger and better things.
My question is what is a realistic weekly dividend after the initial 0.1 BTC share price is completed? 0.01? 0.05?
Thanks!
My question is what is a realistic weekly dividend after the initial 0.1 BTC share price is completed? 0.01? 0.05?
Thanks!
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