Topic: Ask a Legendary Member whatever you need to know about the forum (Read 586 times)

Ok, nice, but, please, stay on topic. This thread is meant to resolve some questions about the forum, not to engage in a discussion related to ranks, there are many related on the Meta section, and you can engage in there.
 Thanks for the discussion, but, please, let's try to stay on topic. If not, it is going to be kind of messy.

"But newcomer is too lazy even read rules on pin post" I disagree that is only newbies that always are faulted on this forum. There are dozens of senior members who spam the forum , go against the rules here.

Here are some of my thoughts to maybe benefit the community
 
I believe this forum under-values the importance of this Beginners forum because overall, 99%+ of the people in this world belong in the beginners forum. Actually, it would be fair to say that a lot of our "newbies" are years ahead of what the real definition of a newbie really is, which is even more clueless than the newbies who signed-up here because we at least engage other users and keep making mistakes.
 
Just to bring more into focus, sure I am a total newb and struggling. But I originally bought bitcoin near the start of when it was available, this was likely before some of the staff at your board even knew about it. It's possible, because I was first buying bitcoin at $50. Then you read this and that about how elite members act like they are above everyone else. Actually the moderator of the Beginners forum does not even accept personal messages from newbies, whatever that is all about.
 
Thus far I have had a surprising amount of helpful people here spending time to help me figure things out. Amazing really.

Yes, it is, be careful, and never enter to the site. They want you to put your bitcointalk account name and password, and I suspect they have already hacked many.

1. There is in developing a whole new forum, this one is supposed to move to it eventually. You can check all this in Bitcoin Forum > Other > Meta > New forum software.
Regarding the rules, you will need to be active on the Meta board. In there, all the new implementations are posted by Theymos, and the discussion regarding the probable ones are always happening on this board. So be sure of take a look at it as much as you can  

2. The accounts that have been in inactive from the last year are automatically blocked in order to avoid hacking, I think. The only cleaning tool we have is the report to moderator button in case of fraudulent activities, as well as the Scam accusations board; well, on the Meta board you can also find some good threads regarding farming, plagiarism, etc. If you think someone is breaking the rules you can search for some related posts in meta or in scam accusations or reputation (Now I'm replying to you I realize how many boards we have to report bad ones!!  )

3. Ummm I don't think so, this is a free place and you can discuss/think as you wish. Do not take too personal when a thread of yours doesn't have any reply's, it happens to me too, maybe there was nobody interested in that very moment, or maybe there were just too many threads at the time, so the one from yours just disappeared fast. I get it is kind of annoying, but happens to everyone!

I think the merit system is a necessary evil, since the last December's hype. Try to picture it as a city: many people living in there, from all over the world, some good, some bad, but in quite a balance. Suddenly, a massive number of people is willing to enter the city, and want to have the same privileges than the others, even if the others have been in there for years, building that city, step by step. New rules were necessary since the December's bitcoin hype happened, because, suddenly, the number of persons joining the forum was enormous. Besides, most of the people coming have as an only goal to make money, for they heard about bitcoin first and how many people become rich, and then about the forum, a place in "where you can earn bitcoin". Most of the newcomers don't know anything about Bitcoin, about the forum history, about the Blockchain technology, they are just in here because they want to earn instead of learn.
So there was necessary to change the rules, due to the behavior of mostly all the newcomers. Of course, there are exceptions, there are bad legendaries, and really good newbies, but these exceptions are few, and you can't determine what an old member deserves based on a new rule. All the ones that entered in here before the merit system didn't have in their minds the merit system, so, how can judge them with this mindset. Also, some older members have changed their mindset since the merit system was introduced (included me), and, since there, they are trying their best.
So, is that fair? Yes, it is. Many people built the forum since the very beginning and yes, many deserve a recognition for it, because they didn't come in here for the money, they collaborate for years to the forum develop, to the discussion, they engaged amazing debates even when bitcoin was a huge mystery to society.
Of course, a new system always brings a collateral damage: to the forum, that there are some bad ones with a high-rank account, but, even so, we still have the trust system, if you see red numbers under a name, just be careful.
To newcomers, well, you can say that it is nor fair, but to me the merit system absolutely is. If you are a newcomer with the will of learning, with something in your mind beyond making some bucks, you will be rewarded, you will be able to rank and you will be respected by the community. But, even if you don't have any interest in the forum, you can work, make your bucks in here and, as well as you don't break the rules, you will be in here as long as you want.
So, is that unfair? No, it is not, from  my point of view it is a neccessary response due the newcomers we have (an average superior to 450 per day, 70% spamming all over the forum).

Your are all allowed to make the difference by hard work, as we have done from the last years.

As a final addition, check this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=recent;patrol  This is the "Patrol Page", and you will be able to watch in there all the posts made by newbies... check the "quality"

Hi,

1. I want to know if there any planned changes to how the forum operates, with the introduction of new rules and regulations? If such rules are introduced
where are we supposed to look for them?

2. Is there any practice in place for forum cleanups? That is to handle dead/inactive accounts, farmed accounts and such? I speak of accounts already in existence. The merit system effectively aims to do the same in future but what about accounts that have already been established without any standard before the merit system was introduced?

3. Is it going against the rule to ask a question which would discuss maybe a disadvantage( possible issue) associated with Bitcoin? I had a post as such and never received any response for the question posted! Is there any unspoken rule with regard to this in Bitcointalk?

Thank you

Thanks. got it.
No, i didn't ignore any board. I got my answer above.

I've noticed a site called bitcointalk(dot)to. Is this a phishing site?

I think, might be that board is on your Ignore list,  You need to revisit your profile and uncheck the Board in which the topic is posted.

Yea sorry I wasn't clear, I'm familiar with the implementation of the merit system.


I was basically asking if you think it's really the best system to base forum rank on post count? Then ranting about how merit comes in too late in the process. There are a lot of people with undeserved ranks from the way the old system was transferred over sure but raw post count being such an important metric is my issue.

I'm not quite sure of what are you asking, but maybe you are mistaken in one thing: when the merit system was implemented, the people receive a determined number of merits according to the status they already had. For instance, If someone was already a Full Member, he will receive 100 merits when the system comes, that's maybe the reason why you can see many users with 100 merits and tons of posts in their count: if they are shitposters they will remain with their 100 merits forever, for, as long as they don't contribute to the forum it is fairly improbable for them to gain new merits.
Maybe you can just check the date of their accounts creation: if they are from 2017 or before probably they got automatic merits when the system was implemented; if they are pretty new and have had tons of undeserving merits, probably it is a case of merit-farming (against the rules) and you can report them.

It's not really a question but doesn't it kind of seem like a problem that users are basically rewarded with higher ranks for post count even when they don't actually contribute anything? I'm probably biased because I'm basically a lurker on here but it seems like until you hit that merit requirement there's a real incentive to make as many low-quality posts as they can get away with. It's one of the things I don't really get about the forum.

Besides what Jet Cash has recommended to you, take a look at that amazing video another user made: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.40523329

In the thread, you will find a  very well explained and simple video and I think it is going to help you to understand the merit issue!!

I feel this is good because I'm still a new member and need to learn a lot .

The most possible situation is that the post google provided to you has been deleted or moved. When a post is deleted you will always have this message. There are not many boards out of limit, so that's the most probable situation, again: moved or deleted. 

I've never been very much into ICO, and also, this question seems pretty far from the original intention of the thread (remember it was about questions regarding how the forum works), but maybe you will find interesting:
- A post about that: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/airdrop-analysis-spot-a-scam-from-a-mile-away-4496331
- A website to check-out how many possibilities this ICO actually has: https://icorating.com/


Anyway, I've been some related topics circulating in here, just search for them. Sorry, since I'm not into ICO I don't have an answer.

No, is not dumb, in fact, is a headache for many.  
There is not a bookmark tool, but you can learn how to manage your watchlist. If my memory serves me correctly, there was a post On the Beginners board explaining some tricks about the watchlist and its uses, but I can't find it, sorry. Anyway, you can edit your own watchlist in here https://bitcointalk.org/watchlist.php
You will find the watchlist function aside your name, at the superior part of your ṕrofile, under "show my last posts"... etc.

To be honest, I always use my own post history to keep an eye in a post, or my merit history: if a post is amazing, I always try to merit it eventually, so I can go back to it whenever I want (by my merit history or, if it is older than 120 days, by LoyceV or DdmrDdmr tools) and also the user get his/her reward. But, of course, not always is possible, since I don't have always smerits to give.

Hope it helps.

EDIT: jeje, r1s2g3 answered you really well, our quotes crossed their paths!!!
In addition of what he said to you, any topic you visit or quoted is added to your watchlist automatically, so be sure of "unwatch" all those you are not interested in so you can have your watchlist quite clean.

I sure will.

I wrote an article for my merit source blog -

https://talkmerit.com/the-source/index.php/articles/the-bitcoin-talk-merit-system

You can bookmark a post in your browser by clicking on that post (clicking on that particular post will generate the path to that post) Now that linked can be bookmarked.

I am not sure that we get any option of bookmarking a particular post in bitcointalk. If it is for topic then you can put topic on "watch" by clicking "watch".
You can visit your "watchlist" for all the topics you put in watch. Clear this watchlist time to time because I guess all the topics that are visited by user are added to this "watchlist" by default.

I have read some explanations about the merit system but cannot quite gasp it.

Is there an easy inforgraphic or can you explain it like I'm five years old?

Thank you

Hi there, thanks for your help topic.
Sometimes when i made a google search and there were some results linked to a bitcointalk topic. But when i clicked on that links i couldn't access as it said this topic is limit to you. So i want to ask are there limit topics which only some specific people can access? If there are, could you tell somethings about that topics, if you have the right.

Can u give me advance tips/strategies on how to check ICO if its legit or not?

This might be a dumb question, but, I just want to ask how to bookmark a post?
Or are there any option in Bitcointalk regarding bookmarking a post?

Thank you.

You can also be banned, Sometime Mod trash these kind of threads and nuke all the user replying to it. As Collcryptovator pointed tagging by DT member is also possible. Trust in this forum is not moderated and if you once tagged then only that guy (now you are in discretion of the sole judgement of that user) can remove that tag.

Yes, please. I actually learned a lot on this site, so I hope it works for you too. Keep me informed 

Thank you very much. I am starting on a whole new level I will follow the link and hope i learn from it. I will as well keep you posted on my progress.

Do you mean programming in general? Well if that is what you actually meant, in here you will find some bitcoin or crypto related programming, but most of all in a very specific way (mostly related to bitcoin or cryptos, of course, since you are in a bitcoin forum  ).

If you just want to start programming since the very beginning and in different languages, take a look at this website: https://www.codecademy.com/
You will find many free courses in CodeAcademy regarding programming.
Hope it helps

Please I wanted to ask, if there is any thread that someone can learn programming from. I have been looking around for such threads for a while now. I would like to purse a programming career.

Thanks!!! Of course not, I will be around here, but, you know, I was just curious precisely since I read this quote from you:

When I read it I began to think about all the things we are just taking for granted about our own perception regarding newbies and their concerns. I feel that, somehow, when you spend enough time in here you absolutely can see the things in a really different way, and it becomes more and more difficult to walk in other's shoes. That's why I'm interested now in trying to understand what a newcomer has in his/her mind, for, by knowing them, maybe we can help some and also the forum.

Thanks a lot for your kind words, my friend!! I hope you also stay around and help me to answer some of the questions if more coming.

Nice initiative Seoincorporation. It will be interesting to see what goes on in this thread overtime, so I’ll keep a curious eye on it… Just don't leave aside you contributions to other forum sections which always bring something inherently interesting.

It happens to me too  ... I have some unhandled and 3 bad but do not care too much about that. Even when I don't know the reasons of why are they tagged as "bad", probably the mod has one. There are too many minds in here, so keep reporting, that helps a lot.


Yes, you can go to your profile even when you are not logged in, and see your post history. You will not be able to see not your merits history neither your watchlist, but you will certainly be able to see your posting history and check if there is something new in there.


As far as I know, no, there isn't. But I have the same question if someone has dug in it and found a solution, please, help us!!!
I always go to my profile and check my lasts posts to see any answers to my topics. It is kind of messy, but if you manage well your watchlist, you will see how useful this tool is.

No, it isn't. The captcha thing is designed to avoid bots to log into the forum automatically. I'm sorry, but it is a necessary evil.

Of course not. I'm sorry if some of my answers are vague, but I don't have any solutions for the replies and quotes stuff. Maybe the next new forum will be less "messy".
Thanks for your questions  

1)I have recently reported few posts( good project, great project, to the moon bla bla bla) in ANN threads which I believed didn't add any value to the conversation. But one of my report marked as bad and I want to know why?

2) is there any way to know when I got a reply for a thread that I have posted without login to the forum?

3) is there any way to know when someone quote my posts in the forum? If yes then how and if not what is logic behind the admins avoding such kind of  modifications to the forum which I believed very important for a modern day forum?

4) Is there a way to avoid google recaptcha thing? Because most of the time i am using my mobile to log bitcointalk and when it comes to logging even I couldn't zoom out to solve recaptcha thing and it pops out again and again, trust me it's really annoying when login through mobile. Any solutions?

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P.S. - I have put all the critical issues that I got currently in a one post since I don't want to get other members space by creating separate posts per each question. I think you didn't mind it

I'm glad we helped you. If you have any other question, feel free 

Thank you two, seoincorporation and Coolcryptovator. I have not joined this airdrop yet. I think this violate the rule and post by a newbie. Fortunately, I see your post soon. 

Besides what Coolcryptovator has said,

I've checked out the airdrop you mentioned and I have two things to say:
- In the first place, the airdrop is apparently being run by a newbie account.
- In the second, the user, PinPaid is breaking the rules by copy-pasting the same all over the forum, so I've just reported it.
To be honest, I encourage you to stay far from this. If you want to join a bounty or an airdrop, it is better if you check first the user running it. In this thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/overview-of-bitcointalk-signature-anti-spam-campaign-managers-4412712 you will find some trusted managers.

This is against of forum rule bumping the thread by forcing people. They should be ban. Even you will not ban but may be you will be taged if saw some DT due to bumping. Better avoid this kind of airdrop.  There is many legit airdrop you can participate. BTW I will open a thread about them with investigation.

Can I ask a question?
There are a rule: Dont reply info for bounty/aidrop application unless they require. But this airdrop https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--4547440 require post proof of completion in the ANN thread. So will I get ban? Thank you.

Maybe, but I'm just concerned about what are the initial questions, even the "feeling" of the newcomers. If nobody read the rules, then it is information to me. My point in here is to try to wear a newbie's shoes for a while, I'm in here trying to understand the general mindset. If they asked me about the pinned posts, that's ok, maybe those are too difficult to understand for a newcomer; if they ask me about merits, that's ok. As I said, I don't want to judge, I just want to know the newcomer's mindset. Look at that as a "social experiment", in which my goal is to be able to see something I am probably missing. In fact, if no one asks anything, I will have my answer too.

Well said. But newcomer is too lazy even read rules on pin post. Those thing you are mentioned on your post that almost answer are on pin post. They just come and start question. I can't remember how many topic I saw last few days since I joined " how to earn merit" . Actually maximum new people coming here to joined bounty. That is true. They don't try to understand before earn we should learn. We need change mind first. Lot of seniors member here for help any question. But people always make similar question. I will request to all new members before posting please read at least rules on pinpsot. We are a family we should help each other.

Hi there!
From the last two weeks, we have been discussing a lot about how to improve the forum, how to help others to rank-up, etcetera.
That's why I have come into my mind to create this topic, with the goal of understanding what are the most common worries of the newcomer in here, what do you need to know about the forum itself, what you just can't understand.

There go some rules:
- The questions are meant to be about how the forum works.
- You can ask whatever you need to know about the topic, but if you go off-topic probably you will get no answer.
- Please try to use understandable English, it doesn't need to be perfect but try your best.
- Do not beg for merits, it only will have as a result to end on my ignored list.
- Feel free to ask, nobody is going to judge in here.
- You can also answer other's questions if you feel you know the answer, no matter the rank.
And... Welcome!