MOST IMPORTANTLY is how Bitmit will behave now, if they refund me as it was escrow then they are a very trust worthy company and if not I dont think anyone should really use that site.
Waiting with impatience no response from their support so far 3 emails sent.
here is my bitcoin address so everyone can see if I get refunded
1MzxdPkVbRs3tyMLqwJWXho35gJYofyv1P
Topic: Assuming BFL will deliver as promised - was on Bitmit: Butterfly Labs Mini Rig (Read 8813 times)
April 30, 2013, 04:43:25 PM
April 30, 2013, 04:42:56 PM
Well, and the english used by "jonn hart" is incredibly similar to the OP, hope he gets a scammer tag ASAP
I agree +1000
You can open a post in the Scam accusation subforum for the mods to apply it. It's obvious he is the scammer.
April 30, 2013, 04:41:34 PM
Well, and the english used by "jonn hart" is incredibly similar to the OP, hope he gets a scammer tag ASAP
I agree +1000
April 30, 2013, 04:37:40 PM
Well, and the english used by "jonn hart" is incredibly similar to the OP, hope he gets a scammer tag ASAP
April 30, 2013, 04:28:39 PM
Didn't the coins just move a few hours ago? https://blockchain.info/address/1FewiZcpb9PhzVWdLgqiaWzHsv2xaG2dE
Hope is Bitmit holding them and you get a refund ASAP
Hope is Bitmit holding them and you get a refund ASAP
April 30, 2013, 04:27:36 PM
ok so this is gettin almost amusing as the seller after being confronted here :
Trying to send me a TROJAN !wow
Quote
Alex Alexandrov <[email protected]>
1:57 PM (28 minutes ago)
to jonn
just spoke with butterfly labs and they confirm the order 8210 was never paid for they jsut double checked all their records and you are A SCAMMER
How can you live with yourself?
1:57 PM (28 minutes ago)
to jonn
just spoke with butterfly labs and they confirm the order 8210 was never paid for they jsut double checked all their records and you are A SCAMMER
How can you live with yourself?
Trying to send me a TROJAN !wow
Quote
jonn hart
2:21 PM (5 minutes ago)
to me
How did you double checked? Butterfly labs said that to you just to make you buy from them. When i ordered 1.500 miner i received a software for following the speed (hashesh) when i receive the miner. It is only for 1.500 gh/s miner because it have special system you can see it your self - a screen. This is what was explained to me. Here is what i receive from them.
https://www.dropbox.com/..(edited to avoid form ppl accidentally clicking)../MiniRig1500-hash%20control.exe
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 13:57:48 -0700
2:21 PM (5 minutes ago)
to me
How did you double checked? Butterfly labs said that to you just to make you buy from them. When i ordered 1.500 miner i received a software for following the speed (hashesh) when i receive the miner. It is only for 1.500 gh/s miner because it have special system you can see it your self - a screen. This is what was explained to me. Here is what i receive from them.
https://www.dropbox.com/..(edited to avoid form ppl accidentally clicking)../MiniRig1500-hash%20control.exe
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 13:57:48 -0700
April 30, 2013, 04:19:08 PM
Didn't the coins just move a few hours ago? https://blockchain.info/address/1FewiZcpb9PhzVWdLgqiaWzHsv2xaG2dE
Hope is Bitmit holding them and you get a refund ASAP
Hope is Bitmit holding them and you get a refund ASAP
This is the email I got from Bitmit support last night when I asked for extra layer of security added:
Quote
Bitmit wrote on 2013-04-30, 12:57 am
Your Mail
Dear Alex,
I fully understand that you want to get sure when it comes to such a large amount of money.
You can be sure that the seller has NO access to the funds in escrow at this time.
He only gets access when you
- Set the order status to received
- Give him a positive feedback WITH checked "Release money" checkbox
- He requests an escrow release AND you click "ACCEPT" or do not click "Deny" within 14 days
However, I added a second security layer for this transaction:
We locked his wallet so he cannot withdraw the money of your purchase. This protects you when you have released the money by mistake which is very unlikely.
To conclude, there is no way for the seller to access your funds until we get your okay.
I am not aware of the process how BFL manages pre order sales! Please really make sure that you get access to the pre order delivery or will you release the money once you have received the product?
Best regards
Joachim
Your Mail
Dear Alex,
I fully understand that you want to get sure when it comes to such a large amount of money.
You can be sure that the seller has NO access to the funds in escrow at this time.
He only gets access when you
- Set the order status to received
- Give him a positive feedback WITH checked "Release money" checkbox
- He requests an escrow release AND you click "ACCEPT" or do not click "Deny" within 14 days
However, I added a second security layer for this transaction:
We locked his wallet so he cannot withdraw the money of your purchase. This protects you when you have released the money by mistake which is very unlikely.
To conclude, there is no way for the seller to access your funds until we get your okay.
I am not aware of the process how BFL manages pre order sales! Please really make sure that you get access to the pre order delivery or will you release the money once you have received the product?
Best regards
Joachim
April 30, 2013, 04:16:27 PM
Hope you get back that money, you put a lot of trust in Bitmit... Check the "about the seller", they don't even have ID verification (I know it could be easily faked, but still..)
EDIT: and yeah, the OP is the seller and a scammer for sure. Looks at the ridiculous claims he does to bump the thread, "if I were you I would buy for sure!", etc... And:
Like giving legitimacy to the scam... Unfortunately these forums are full of jokers.
EDIT: and yeah, the OP is the seller and a scammer for sure. Looks at the ridiculous claims he does to bump the thread, "if I were you I would buy for sure!", etc... And:
Quote
"Escrow: Yes" means Bitmit will hold the amount as long the buyer got the Mini Rig
Like giving legitimacy to the scam... Unfortunately these forums are full of jokers.
Thankfully my money is in Bitmit escrow and I wrote their support an email last night asking them to take extra security measures since it is a large amount. which they confirmed.
I'm old fashion I never buy sex online....
Lol thanks
April 30, 2013, 04:14:07 PM
Didn't the coins just move a few hours ago? https://blockchain.info/address/1FewiZcpb9PhzVWdLgqiaWzHsv2xaG2dE
Hope is Bitmit holding them and you get a refund ASAP
Hope is Bitmit holding them and you get a refund ASAP
April 30, 2013, 04:12:24 PM
Hope you get back that money, you put a lot of trust in Bitmit... Check the "about the seller", they don't even have ID verification (I know it could be easily faked, but still..)
EDIT: and yeah, the OP is the seller and a scammer for sure. Looks at the ridiculous claims he does to bump the thread, "if I were you I would buy for sure!", etc... And:
Like giving legitimacy to the scam... Unfortunately these forums are full of jokers.
EDIT: and yeah, the OP is the seller and a scammer for sure. Looks at the ridiculous claims he does to bump the thread, "if I were you I would buy for sure!", etc... And:
Quote
"Escrow: Yes" means Bitmit will hold the amount as long the buyer got the Mini Rig
Like giving legitimacy to the scam... Unfortunately these forums are full of jokers.
Thankfully my money is in Bitmit escrow and I wrote their support an email last night asking them to take extra security measures since it is a large amount. which they confirmed.
I'm old fashion I never buy sex online....
April 30, 2013, 04:01:46 PM
Hope you get back that money, you put a lot of trust in Bitmit... Check the "about the seller", they don't even have ID verification (I know it could be easily faked, but still..)
EDIT: and yeah, the OP is the seller and a scammer for sure. Looks at the ridiculous claims he does to bump the thread, "if I were you I would buy for sure!", etc... And:
Like giving legitimacy to the scam... Unfortunately these forums are full of jokers.
EDIT: and yeah, the OP is the seller and a scammer for sure. Looks at the ridiculous claims he does to bump the thread, "if I were you I would buy for sure!", etc... And:
Quote
"Escrow: Yes" means Bitmit will hold the amount as long the buyer got the Mini Rig
Like giving legitimacy to the scam... Unfortunately these forums are full of jokers.
Thankfully my money is in Bitmit escrow and I wrote their support an email last night asking them to take extra security measures since it is a large amount. which they confirmed.
April 30, 2013, 03:54:39 PM
Hope you get back that money, you put a lot of trust in Bitmit... Check the "about the seller", they don't even have ID verification (I know it could be easily faked, but still..)
EDIT: and yeah, the OP is the seller and a scammer for sure. Looks at the ridiculous claims he does to bump the thread, "if I were you I would buy for sure!", etc... And:
Like giving legitimacy to the scam... Unfortunately these forums are full of jokers.
EDIT: and yeah, the OP is the seller and a scammer for sure. Looks at the ridiculous claims he does to bump the thread, "if I were you I would buy for sure!", etc... And:
Quote
"Escrow: Yes" means Bitmit will hold the amount as long the buyer got the Mini Rig
Like giving legitimacy to the scam... Unfortunately these forums are full of jokers.
April 30, 2013, 03:46:14 PM
SCAM!!!
Ok so this morning I called BFL to verify the order number 8210 and it is not a MINIRIG nor is it ordered under the name that was provided to me in the below email from the seller:
It got a bad feeling from the moment I got the first email from the guy :
I asked him about my finding at BFL to which he replayed :
very strange replay...then BAM the order even though only 263.5298BTC was send out of 314.6853BTC is now set to SHIPPED
I contacted support as this a clear scam.
Thank goodness for Escrow service !
Had to share my experience ... will update as I get my 263.5298BTC back
Ok so this morning I called BFL to verify the order number 8210 and it is not a MINIRIG nor is it ordered under the name that was provided to me in the below email from the seller:
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Dear JONN HART
Thank you for your order from Butterfly Labs - Bitcoin Mining Hardware. Once your package ships we will send an email with a link to track your order. You can check the status of your order by logging into your account. If you have any questions about your order please contact us at [email protected] or call us at 913-271-6744 Monday-Friday, 8am -5pm PST.
Your order confirmation is below. Thank you again for your business.
Your Order #8210 (placed on September 15, 2012 9:44:15 AM CDT)
Thank you,
Brian
On Wed, Sep15, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Jonn Hart <[email protected]> wrote:
Hello
Can you confirm my order N8210 from date 15.09.2012. on the name of Mr.Jonn Hart ,i need to know when you will ship it ?
Best regards
Mr.Jonn Hart
Thank you for your order from Butterfly Labs - Bitcoin Mining Hardware. Once your package ships we will send an email with a link to track your order. You can check the status of your order by logging into your account. If you have any questions about your order please contact us at [email protected] or call us at 913-271-6744 Monday-Friday, 8am -5pm PST.
Your order confirmation is below. Thank you again for your business.
Your Order #8210 (placed on September 15, 2012 9:44:15 AM CDT)
Thank you,
Brian
On Wed, Sep15, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Jonn Hart <[email protected]> wrote:
Hello
Can you confirm my order N8210 from date 15.09.2012. on the name of Mr.Jonn Hart ,i need to know when you will ship it ?
Best regards
Mr.Jonn Hart
It got a bad feeling from the moment I got the first email from the guy :
Quote
Hi,Alex I just send you an email with my confirmation from BFL.
As i am deaf-mute will be nice ,if we share information here or by email.If you need some more information i am ready to help you !
Thank you Jonn
As i am deaf-mute will be nice ,if we share information here or by email.If you need some more information i am ready to help you !
Thank you Jonn
I asked him about my finding at BFL to which he replayed :
Quote
Alex Alexandrov <[email protected]>
12:34 PM (1 hour ago)
to jonn
Hi John,
I called butterfly labs and order number 8210 is not a mini rig and it is not an order made under name John.
Please explain.
Thank you.
Bitmint temporarily froze you account until we resolve this misunderstanding.
12:34 PM (1 hour ago)
to jonn
Hi John,
I called butterfly labs and order number 8210 is not a mini rig and it is not an order made under name John.
Please explain.
Thank you.
Bitmint temporarily froze you account until we resolve this misunderstanding.
Quote
jonn hart
12:50 PM (53 minutes ago)
to me
Hi Alex,
I dont know what you have checked but there is a mistake. And my name is Jonn not John. If you dont want to deal with me, please dont waste my time.
Best regards
Jonn
12:50 PM (53 minutes ago)
to me
Hi Alex,
I dont know what you have checked but there is a mistake. And my name is Jonn not John. If you dont want to deal with me, please dont waste my time.
Best regards
Jonn
very strange replay...then BAM the order even though only 263.5298BTC was send out of 314.6853BTC is now set to SHIPPED
I contacted support as this a clear scam.
Thank goodness for Escrow service !
Had to share my experience ... will update as I get my 263.5298BTC back
April 30, 2013, 03:12:51 AM
Also got the replay from sender and will be contacting BFL tomorrow to verify legitimacy of this order number :
" Order #8210 (placed on September 15, 2012 9:44:15 AM CDT)"
I have been given an option to pick it up in person from Chicago and frankly for the amount I am paying I don't mind flying there to get it same day
" Order #8210 (placed on September 15, 2012 9:44:15 AM CDT)"
I have been given an option to pick it up in person from Chicago and frankly for the amount I am paying I don't mind flying there to get it same day
April 30, 2013, 03:10:46 AM
Bitmint
I just recieved this email from bitmint as well :
"Dear Alex,
I fully understand that you want to get sure when it comes to such a large amount of money.
You can be sure that the seller has NO access to the funds in escrow at this time.
He only gets access when you
- Set the order status to received
- Give him a positive feedback WITH checked "Release money" checkbox
- He requests an escrow release AND you click "ACCEPT" or do not click "Deny" within 14 days
However, I added a second security layer for this transaction:
We locked his wallet so he cannot withdraw the money of your purchase. This protects you when you have released the money by mistake which is very unlikely.
To conclude, there is no way for the seller to access your funds until we get your okay.
I am not aware of the process how BFL manages pre order sales! Please really make sure that you get access to the pre order delivery or will you release the money once you have received the product?
Best regards
Joachim"
Gotta say I am very happy with their support staff and will be sure to share how this transaction goes in here.
I just recieved this email from bitmint as well :
"Dear Alex,
I fully understand that you want to get sure when it comes to such a large amount of money.
You can be sure that the seller has NO access to the funds in escrow at this time.
He only gets access when you
- Set the order status to received
- Give him a positive feedback WITH checked "Release money" checkbox
- He requests an escrow release AND you click "ACCEPT" or do not click "Deny" within 14 days
However, I added a second security layer for this transaction:
We locked his wallet so he cannot withdraw the money of your purchase. This protects you when you have released the money by mistake which is very unlikely.
To conclude, there is no way for the seller to access your funds until we get your okay.
I am not aware of the process how BFL manages pre order sales! Please really make sure that you get access to the pre order delivery or will you release the money once you have received the product?
Best regards
Joachim"
Gotta say I am very happy with their support staff and will be sure to share how this transaction goes in here.
April 30, 2013, 12:20:58 AM
Its an escrow purchase I have not send full funds until I confirm the order number and merge it with my existent bfl order from early sept. All i have to do have a conference call with BFL customer support confirm it was transferred and then i will release the escrow and take over the order
Who's escrowing this?
April 30, 2013, 12:03:26 AM
Its an escrow purchase I have not send full funds until I confirm the order number and merge it with my existent bfl order from early sept. All i have to do have a conference call with BFL customer support confirm it was transferred and then i will release the escrow and take over the order
April 29, 2013, 10:40:40 PM
Could be josh's sock puppet. lolz
Can't believe how stupid people are.
Can't believe how stupid people are.
April 29, 2013, 10:37:17 PM
Someone copies the picture from the website and posts they have a unit being delivered then gets paid 200+ bitcoins and tells them to wait for 4 more month?
How do you know they have an order?
How do you know they will deliver it.
They could just move.
Jesus Christ!
How do you know they have an order?
How do you know they will deliver it.
They could just move.
Jesus Christ!
There is so much low hanging fruit in these forums that the OP probably had 30 messages in his inbox promising to send BTC.
Anyone? Post a link! hehe...
April 29, 2013, 10:32:38 PM
Someone copies the picture from the website and posts they have a unit being delivered then gets paid 200+ bitcoins and tells them to wait for 4 more month?
How do you know they have an order?
How do you know they will deliver it.
They could just move.
Jesus Christ!
How do you know they have an order?
How do you know they will deliver it.
They could just move.
Jesus Christ!
There is so much low hanging fruit in these forums that the OP probably had 30 messages in his inbox promising to send BTC.
April 29, 2013, 09:56:17 PM
Someone copies the picture from the website and posts they have a unit being delivered then gets paid 200+ bitcoins and tells them to wait for 4 more month?
How do you know they have an order?
How do you know they will deliver it.
They could just move.
Jesus Christ!
How do you know they have an order?
How do you know they will deliver it.
They could just move.
Jesus Christ!
April 29, 2013, 09:25:52 PM
"Selling ended. Item sold."
LOL
LOL
I am the sucker , just transfered 263.5398 BTC which I will never see again to 1FewiZcpb9PhzVWdLgqiaWzHsv2xaG2dE
I will need 2 days to clear the rest of funds if it is ok, considering this is escrow and item will never be delivered is this acceptable? I only had 263.53 btc on hand rest of my coins are going to take a few days to come in
Cheers
fixed
April 29, 2013, 07:28:57 PM
........I trust BFL.......
hahahahahahahahahaha
Doesn't matter had sex
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQlIhraqL7o
April 29, 2013, 07:21:15 PM
........I trust BFL.......
hahahahahahahahahaha
April 29, 2013, 07:11:18 PM
Can someone explain to me:
How can the trade be accepted if not all is paid using Escrow?
How can the trade be accepted if not all is paid using Escrow?
well it generally gives you a time frame when it comes to 45k purchases as they only accept btc and if you have to convert your other alt coins it takes time plus 2hr transactions. besides this is a long wait purchase anyway.
Doesn't matter I got more then enough thanks to my trusted 7970's hard at work
April 29, 2013, 06:58:33 PM
How can I be sure the seller (johart1) can be trusted?
Seller: johart1 (0) <--- seems trustable
Can someone explain to me:
How can the trade be accepted if not all is paid using Escrow?
How can the trade be accepted if not all is paid using Escrow?
You wanna tell me you are still interested in buying that Mini Rig?
Actually .. Yes...
April 29, 2013, 06:54:18 PM
Can someone explain to me:
How can the trade be accepted if not all is paid using Escrow?
How can the trade be accepted if not all is paid using Escrow?
April 29, 2013, 06:51:55 PM
^^could be true --> https://blockchain.info/address/1FewiZcpb9PhzVWdLgqiaWzHsv2xaG2dE
typo is marginal.
I am the buyer , just transfered 263.5398 BTC to 1FewiZcpb9PhzVWdLgqiaWzHsv2xaG2dE
typo is marginal.
Defiantly is true I now have 4 Singles SC ordered Sept 15th and 1 batch #3 Avalon unit , time to auction off some stuff
1.5TH should be enough hehe
actually all you have is less btc since all of those products are currently vaporware
April 29, 2013, 06:46:59 PM
^^could be true --> https://blockchain.info/address/1FewiZcpb9PhzVWdLgqiaWzHsv2xaG2dE
typo is marginal.
I am the buyer , just transfered 263.5398 BTC to 1FewiZcpb9PhzVWdLgqiaWzHsv2xaG2dE
typo is marginal.
Defiantly is true I now have 4 Singles SC ordered Sept 15th and 1 batch #3 Avalon unit , time to auction off some stuff
1.5TH should be enough hehe
April 29, 2013, 06:41:43 PM
"Escrow: Yes" means Bitmit will hold the amount as long the buyer got the Mini Rig
Why trust Bitmit? Really No one can be trusted.... Just read about Escrow Transactions. Seems pretty cool. https://blockchain.info/wallet/escrow
April 29, 2013, 06:30:30 PM
"Selling ended. Item sold."
LOL
LOL
I am the buyer , just transfered 263.5398 BTC to 1FewiZcpb9PhzVWdLgqiaWzHsv2xaG2dE
I will need 2 days to clear the rest of funds if it is ok, considering this is escrow and item will be still a while from delivered is this acceptable? I only had 263.53 btc on hand rest of my coins are going to take a few days to come in
Cheers
April 29, 2013, 06:19:37 PM
I wouldn't be too surprised if the mini rigs never ship.
Better you order a ugly BitForce 50 GH/s instead!
https://products.butterflylabs.com/homepage/50-gh-s-bitcoin-miner.html
Already have 2 of the 60 GH/s ones on preorder from last Oct...
April 29, 2013, 06:13:34 PM
"Escrow: Yes" means Bitmit will hold the amount as long the buyer got the Mini Rig
Why trust Bitmit? Really No one can be trusted.... 
April 29, 2013, 05:51:26 PM
I've seen too many sellers through bitmit ask for escrow releases to get their money. I'm going to assume this seller will do the same thing.
The fishy part is "If by Jan 1 , 2014 they have not ship the units to me i will refund full amount!" Meaning... he will want a release
The fishy part is "If by Jan 1 , 2014 they have not ship the units to me i will refund full amount!" Meaning... he will want a release
April 29, 2013, 05:50:31 PM
How can I be sure the seller (johart1) can be trusted? I trust BFL but johart1...?
I already lost 72 BTC @ CPC Electronics. 314 BTC is a lot to loose.
I already lost 72 BTC @ CPC Electronics. 314 BTC is a lot to loose.
April 29, 2013, 05:47:12 PM
Provided Butterfly Labs does ship that is a pretty good price for a Sept order date miner.
Of course, I think the mini rig will be the last to ship as everything is much bigger and takes up more power than they expected.
I wouldn't be too surprised if the mini rigs never ship.
Of course, I think the mini rig will be the last to ship as everything is much bigger and takes up more power than they expected.
I wouldn't be too surprised if the mini rigs never ship.
April 29, 2013, 05:42:29 PM
I bet OP is the seller
April 29, 2013, 05:37:16 PM
He doesnt have the unit yet dude.
April 29, 2013, 05:34:58 PM
"The miner should ship by the end of May, but it might take more time"
Haven`t we heard that one before?
Haven`t we heard that one before?
April 29, 2013, 05:32:45 PM
Unbelievable! Sensational! Wet dreams come true!!
https://www.bitmit.net/en/item/29798-bitcoin-miner-butterfly-labs-mini-rig-scs-1500-gh-s
Amen!
EDIT: "The Mini Rig comes ready with a touch panel (Nexus 7) control screen with built in host." --> That is what we want!!
BTW: I AM NOT THE SELLER. Chicago is not located in Europe...
https://www.bitmit.net/en/item/29798-bitcoin-miner-butterfly-labs-mini-rig-scs-1500-gh-s
Amen!
EDIT: "The Mini Rig comes ready with a touch panel (Nexus 7) control screen with built in host." --> That is what we want!!
BTW: I AM NOT THE SELLER. Chicago is not located in Europe...
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